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How to get blank page w/o header AND Heading 1 on new page?
I'm trying to get a first page with its own header and footer, a blank second
page with neither header nor footer, a third page (and odd thereafter...) with an odd-page footer, and a fourth page (and even thereafter...) with an even-page footer. I thought I understood headers and footers and sections quite well as I can do all of this easily, however, in this document where I wish to set up my Heading 1 style such that all first level headings have a page break before (which is what I want), I get pages 2 and 3 blank necessarily, with my text beginning on a left-hand page 4. Can anyone please steer me toward where to make what adjustments?! |
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How to get blank page w/o header AND Heading 1 on new page?
You can have up to three different headers/footers (blank or with text) in a
given section by selecting both "Different first page" and "Different odd and even." If you want more than that, you'll have to add a section break. See http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/HeaderFooter.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Anne" wrote in message ... I'm trying to get a first page with its own header and footer, a blank second page with neither header nor footer, a third page (and odd thereafter...) with an odd-page footer, and a fourth page (and even thereafter...) with an even-page footer. I thought I understood headers and footers and sections quite well as I can do all of this easily, however, in this document where I wish to set up my Heading 1 style such that all first level headings have a page break before (which is what I want), I get pages 2 and 3 blank necessarily, with my text beginning on a left-hand page 4. Can anyone please steer me toward where to make what adjustments?! |
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How to get blank page w/o header AND Heading 1 on new page?
Hi Suzanne -- yet again, thanks for answering ;-)
I've already set up both sections for "different first page" and "different odd and even", and have tried several types of section break as well -- next page, continuous, and even odd page. The only one which doesn't give me two blank pages between my title page (page 1) and the first page of my text (what I'd like to be page 3) is the continuous page break -- as would be expected. However, if I place that section break at the end of the text I wish to fall on my title page and then make the next line of text (which I wish to be the first line of my first text page) a Heading 1 which is set-up with a "page break before," I get just the single blank page in between. BUT, despite the settings for each section being different first and different odd & even, I can't get the blank page (which is the first page -- no, make that first FULL page -- of section 2) to have its own first page header and footer. My headers and footers go from First Page Header Section 1 right into Even Page Header Section 2 This seems pretty logical in that the continuous section break sits within the confines of the first page so my guess is that Word sees both sections 1 and 2 as 'sharing' the same first page? I'm thinking this must be a very fine adjustment of the exact placement of that manual section break ... but that doesn't mean I know exactly where it ought to go! Any other thoughts? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: You can have up to three different headers/footers (blank or with text) in a given section by selecting both "Different first page" and "Different odd and even." If you want more than that, you'll have to add a section break. See http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/HeaderFooter.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. |
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How to get blank page w/o header AND Heading 1 on new page?
If you're going to have an Odd Page section break at the beginning of each
chapter, don't format Heading 1 as "Page break before." Or, if this is a single instance, just remove the "Page break before" formatting for that single heading. I've kind of lost track of what you're trying to do, but here's how I handle it in book layouts: Each chapter begins a new section. Each section has "Different first page" and "Different odd and even" enabled. The First Page Header is blank, and there's a page number (centered) in the First Page Footer. The Even Page Header and Odd Page Footer are different, one of them usually containing a StyleRef field to pick up the chapter title. If the page number isn't in the header, then it's in both footers (usually centered for simplicity). Does this help at all? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Anne" wrote in message ... Hi Suzanne -- yet again, thanks for answering ;-) I've already set up both sections for "different first page" and "different odd and even", and have tried several types of section break as well -- next page, continuous, and even odd page. The only one which doesn't give me two blank pages between my title page (page 1) and the first page of my text (what I'd like to be page 3) is the continuous page break -- as would be expected. However, if I place that section break at the end of the text I wish to fall on my title page and then make the next line of text (which I wish to be the first line of my first text page) a Heading 1 which is set-up with a "page break before," I get just the single blank page in between. BUT, despite the settings for each section being different first and different odd & even, I can't get the blank page (which is the first page -- no, make that first FULL page -- of section 2) to have its own first page header and footer. My headers and footers go from First Page Header Section 1 right into Even Page Header Section 2 This seems pretty logical in that the continuous section break sits within the confines of the first page so my guess is that Word sees both sections 1 and 2 as 'sharing' the same first page? I'm thinking this must be a very fine adjustment of the exact placement of that manual section break ... but that doesn't mean I know exactly where it ought to go! Any other thoughts? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: You can have up to three different headers/footers (blank or with text) in a given section by selecting both "Different first page" and "Different odd and even." If you want more than that, you'll have to add a section break. See http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/HeaderFooter.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. |
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How to get blank page w/o header AND Heading 1 on new page?
Good morning Suzanne--
Yes and no this helps. For whatever silly reason, the concept of removing the "page break before" from only the first incidence of Heading 1 had never occurred to me, so that certainly is potentially useful. It doesn't seem to solve this problem, however. Try as I might, I cannot get a 2nd blank page which starts a 2nd section and has its own first page header and footer. Let me try again to make it crystal clear what I want to achieve: -- I want a first page which is a title page -- I want a second page which is completely blank -- I want my text pages to begin on page three -- I would like the first page to have its own unique header and footer -- I would like neither a header nor a footer on the 2nd page -- and I would like different odd- and even-page headers and footers for all text pages from page 3 onwards. Here's what I tried this morning in an attempt to obtain the above: I cleared all breaks to make sure I was starting clean. At that point I tried inserting a variety of section breaks (one-by-one, clearing any previous attempts). I tried an "odd page" section break in combination with manually clearing the "page break before" on the first Heading 1, and, sure enough, a single blank page was inserted. Thought I'd got it, but spoke too soon: The blank page added doesn't seem to be 'recognized' by Word in Page Layout view although its visible in Print Preview. Since I read somewhere that of the two, Print Preview is more reliable, that didn't really concern me. However, in terms of headers and footers, I cannot seem to access what to me is the first page of Section 2, i.e., the blank second page! My headers read as follows: First Page Header -Section 1- (page 1/22) First Page Header -Section 2- (page 3/22) Even Page Header -Section 2- (page 4/22) So I HAVE a First Page Headers for both sections, and yet the one for the second section insists on falling on the wrong page -- I want it on the blank second page! I got essentially the same results with the other breaks I tried. While I admit to getting yet again a bit dizzy with it all, I believe I tried every possible combination of breaks and placement (should the break be put at the end of the text of the title page? should the break be put at the beginning of the text of Heading 1? should the break be put 1 space back from the beginning of the text of Heading 1, i.e., "upon" the heading numbering itself?) Endless frustration over here. Again, a general plea for help ... Thanks. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you're going to have an Odd Page section break at the beginning of each chapter, don't format Heading 1 as "Page break before." Or, if this is a single instance, just remove the "Page break before" formatting for that single heading. I've kind of lost track of what you're trying to do, but here's how I handle it in book layouts: Each chapter begins a new section. Each section has "Different first page" and "Different odd and even" enabled. The First Page Header is blank, and there's a page number (centered) in the First Page Footer. The Even Page Header and Odd Page Footer are different, one of them usually containing a StyleRef field to pick up the chapter title. If the page number isn't in the header, then it's in both footers (usually centered for simplicity). Does this help at all? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) |
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How to get blank page w/o header AND Heading 1 on new page?
NEVER MIND -- I GOT IT!
Okay, the time difference in this instance in beneficial (I write from Europe) as you will not waste time trying to answer something I've worked out. Re-read YOUR article "Deleting 'Blank' Pages" and this time the following actually sunk in: "This page is completely invisible to the user (except in Print Preview with facing pages displayed) but will be "printed" by the printer." That explains what I can see and not see, and in the meantime, I realized that the blank page inserted came straight out of the box exactly as I wanted in any event, i.e. without either header or footer! So I stopped trying to get a Section 2 first page header which I could make blank, changed my page layout specs for the second section just to "different odd and even" and ... voila! I'm home free! Thanks YET AGAIN Suzanne for your help, including the great articles you publish! "Anne" wrote: Good morning Suzanne-- Yes and no this helps. For whatever silly reason, the concept of removing the "page break before" from only the first incidence of Heading 1 had never occurred to me, so that certainly is potentially useful. It doesn't seem to solve this problem, however. Try as I might, I cannot get a 2nd blank page which starts a 2nd section and has its own first page header and footer. Let me try again to make it crystal clear what I want to achieve: -- I want a first page which is a title page -- I want a second page which is completely blank -- I want my text pages to begin on page three -- I would like the first page to have its own unique header and footer -- I would like neither a header nor a footer on the 2nd page -- and I would like different odd- and even-page headers and footers for all text pages from page 3 onwards. Here's what I tried this morning in an attempt to obtain the above: I cleared all breaks to make sure I was starting clean. At that point I tried inserting a variety of section breaks (one-by-one, clearing any previous attempts). I tried an "odd page" section break in combination with manually clearing the "page break before" on the first Heading 1, and, sure enough, a single blank page was inserted. Thought I'd got it, but spoke too soon: The blank page added doesn't seem to be 'recognized' by Word in Page Layout view although its visible in Print Preview. Since I read somewhere that of the two, Print Preview is more reliable, that didn't really concern me. However, in terms of headers and footers, I cannot seem to access what to me is the first page of Section 2, i.e., the blank second page! My headers read as follows: First Page Header -Section 1- (page 1/22) First Page Header -Section 2- (page 3/22) Even Page Header -Section 2- (page 4/22) So I HAVE a First Page Headers for both sections, and yet the one for the second section insists on falling on the wrong page -- I want it on the blank second page! I got essentially the same results with the other breaks I tried. While I admit to getting yet again a bit dizzy with it all, I believe I tried every possible combination of breaks and placement (should the break be put at the end of the text of the title page? should the break be put at the beginning of the text of Heading 1? should the break be put 1 space back from the beginning of the text of Heading 1, i.e., "upon" the heading numbering itself?) Endless frustration over here. Again, a general plea for help ... Thanks. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you're going to have an Odd Page section break at the beginning of each chapter, don't format Heading 1 as "Page break before." Or, if this is a single instance, just remove the "Page break before" formatting for that single heading. I've kind of lost track of what you're trying to do, but here's how I handle it in book layouts: Each chapter begins a new section. Each section has "Different first page" and "Different odd and even" enabled. The First Page Header is blank, and there's a page number (centered) in the First Page Footer. The Even Page Header and Odd Page Footer are different, one of them usually containing a StyleRef field to pick up the chapter title. If the page number isn't in the header, then it's in both footers (usually centered for simplicity). Does this help at all? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) |
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How to get blank page w/o header AND Heading 1 on new page?
Yes, I'm grateful for the time difference, too! That "completely blank" page
is really a hard concept to swallow and has to be experienced (printed) to be understood. g -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Anne" wrote in message ... NEVER MIND -- I GOT IT! Okay, the time difference in this instance in beneficial (I write from Europe) as you will not waste time trying to answer something I've worked out. Re-read YOUR article "Deleting 'Blank' Pages" and this time the following actually sunk in: "This page is completely invisible to the user (except in Print Preview with facing pages displayed) but will be "printed" by the printer." That explains what I can see and not see, and in the meantime, I realized that the blank page inserted came straight out of the box exactly as I wanted in any event, i.e. without either header or footer! So I stopped trying to get a Section 2 first page header which I could make blank, changed my page layout specs for the second section just to "different odd and even" and .... voila! I'm home free! Thanks YET AGAIN Suzanne for your help, including the great articles you publish! "Anne" wrote: Good morning Suzanne-- Yes and no this helps. For whatever silly reason, the concept of removing the "page break before" from only the first incidence of Heading 1 had never occurred to me, so that certainly is potentially useful. It doesn't seem to solve this problem, however. Try as I might, I cannot get a 2nd blank page which starts a 2nd section and has its own first page header and footer. Let me try again to make it crystal clear what I want to achieve: -- I want a first page which is a title page -- I want a second page which is completely blank -- I want my text pages to begin on page three -- I would like the first page to have its own unique header and footer -- I would like neither a header nor a footer on the 2nd page -- and I would like different odd- and even-page headers and footers for all text pages from page 3 onwards. Here's what I tried this morning in an attempt to obtain the above: I cleared all breaks to make sure I was starting clean. At that point I tried inserting a variety of section breaks (one-by-one, clearing any previous attempts). I tried an "odd page" section break in combination with manually clearing the "page break before" on the first Heading 1, and, sure enough, a single blank page was inserted. Thought I'd got it, but spoke too soon: The blank page added doesn't seem to be 'recognized' by Word in Page Layout view although its visible in Print Preview. Since I read somewhere that of the two, Print Preview is more reliable, that didn't really concern me. However, in terms of headers and footers, I cannot seem to access what to me is the first page of Section 2, i.e., the blank second page! My headers read as follows: First Page Header -Section 1- (page 1/22) First Page Header -Section 2- (page 3/22) Even Page Header -Section 2- (page 4/22) So I HAVE a First Page Headers for both sections, and yet the one for the second section insists on falling on the wrong page -- I want it on the blank second page! I got essentially the same results with the other breaks I tried. While I admit to getting yet again a bit dizzy with it all, I believe I tried every possible combination of breaks and placement (should the break be put at the end of the text of the title page? should the break be put at the beginning of the text of Heading 1? should the break be put 1 space back from the beginning of the text of Heading 1, i.e., "upon" the heading numbering itself?) Endless frustration over here. Again, a general plea for help ... Thanks. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you're going to have an Odd Page section break at the beginning of each chapter, don't format Heading 1 as "Page break before." Or, if this is a single instance, just remove the "Page break before" formatting for that single heading. I've kind of lost track of what you're trying to do, but here's how I handle it in book layouts: Each chapter begins a new section. Each section has "Different first page" and "Different odd and even" enabled. The First Page Header is blank, and there's a page number (centered) in the First Page Footer. The Even Page Header and Odd Page Footer are different, one of them usually containing a StyleRef field to pick up the chapter title. If the page number isn't in the header, then it's in both footers (usually centered for simplicity). Does this help at all? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) |
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