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Upgrading from Word 97
I have XP Home in which I am using an old version of Word 97 which I loaded from an old disk. It works fine still, but I have a couple of questions -- 1) Would I find much benefit in buying the latest Word? 2) If so, is this site selling genuine copies? http://1bj.biz.allsofte.com/ They keep on emailing me! 3) or would it be safer to buy from the MS site? Many thanks +Jackson+ ................. |
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"Jackson" wrote in message ... I have XP Home in which I am using an old version of Word 97 which I loaded from an old disk. It works fine still, but I have a couple of questions -- 1) Would I find much benefit in buying the latest Word? 2) If so, is this site selling genuine copies? http://1bj.biz.allsofte.com/ They keep on emailing me! 3) or would it be safer to buy from the MS site? Many thanks +Jackson+ ................ Buy from your local store! |
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If you are satisfied with Word 97, there is no good reason to upgrade to
Word 2002 or 2003, but see http://www.microsoft.com/office/edit...o/compare.mspx. I would be leery of buying from any site that sends spam. Instead, research for yourself using Google and buy from a reputable site or (as Chuck suggests) from a local source such as BestBuy, Office Depot, etc. FWIW, if you don't need any other Office apps, the most economical way to acquire Word (2002) is as part of Works Suite 2005 (see http://www.microsoft.com/products/wo...s.aspx?pid=001), which you can get for as little as $70 (possibly even less) after the mail-in rebate. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jackson" wrote in message ... I have XP Home in which I am using an old version of Word 97 which I loaded from an old disk. It works fine still, but I have a couple of questions -- 1) Would I find much benefit in buying the latest Word? 2) If so, is this site selling genuine copies? http://1bj.biz.allsofte.com/ They keep on emailing me! 3) or would it be safer to buy from the MS site? Many thanks +Jackson+ ................ |
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Jackson
Your IP address suggests that you are in the UK, possibly in or around the Sheffield area, and maybe even using Force9 ISP assuming they still exist.. there is a PC World computer store at the following address.. Meadowhall Retail Park Attercliffe Common SHEFFIELD South Yorkshire S9 2YZ Tel: 0870 2420444 or go to this site for the store finder in the event that I have your location all wrong (most likely).. http://www.pcworld.co.uk/ If price is a first consideration, you may also want to look at WordPerfect Office and Lotus Smartsuite.. as I remember, PC World stock all of them.. well, certainly five years ago.. :-) -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "Jackson" wrote in message ... I have XP Home in which I am using an old version of Word 97 which I loaded from an old disk. It works fine still, but I have a couple of questions -- 1) Would I find much benefit in buying the latest Word? 2) If so, is this site selling genuine copies? http://1bj.biz.allsofte.com/ They keep on emailing me! 3) or would it be safer to buy from the MS site? Many thanks +Jackson+ ................ |
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Wow. I can tell you're not a WORD mvp...
Methinks www.openoffice.org is better than WordPerfect! ******************* ~Anne Troy www.OfficeArticles.com "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... Jackson Your IP address suggests that you are in the UK, possibly in or around the Sheffield area, and maybe even using Force9 ISP assuming they still exist.. there is a PC World computer store at the following address.. Meadowhall Retail Park Attercliffe Common SHEFFIELD South Yorkshire S9 2YZ Tel: 0870 2420444 or go to this site for the store finder in the event that I have your location all wrong (most likely).. http://www.pcworld.co.uk/ If price is a first consideration, you may also want to look at WordPerfect Office and Lotus Smartsuite.. as I remember, PC World stock all of them.. well, certainly five years ago.. :-) -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "Jackson" wrote in message ... I have XP Home in which I am using an old version of Word 97 which I loaded from an old disk. It works fine still, but I have a couple of questions -- 1) Would I find much benefit in buying the latest Word? 2) If so, is this site selling genuine copies? http://1bj.biz.allsofte.com/ They keep on emailing me! 3) or would it be safer to buy from the MS site? Many thanks +Jackson+ ................ |
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Anne Troy shared this with us in microsoft.public.word.newusers:
Wow. I can tell you're not a WORD mvp... Simple! Show all headers (CTRL+F11 in XanaNews) reveals this: NNTP-Posting-Host: southcourt.plus.com 81.174.137.93 Geobytes does the rest. (or similar tools) And Google for the other UI. Methinks www.openoffice.org is better than WordPerfect! ACK all the way. -- Amedee Van Gasse using XanaNews 1.17.5.7 If it has an "X" in the name, it must be Linux? |
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Anne
I did like WP 7 but later versions of WP are not as good, and I have used Lotus Smartsuite (9.7) in the past for its compatibility with almost everything.. however, I lost the LS CD and WP7 doesn't like XP.. Having just trawled the net a little, I can only find LS version 9.7 and 9.8 and both can be bought for peanuts.. have IBM finally killed Lotus Smartsuite off as a public offering?.. I now use MS Office 2003 Pro exclusively, but the price will put some off buying it, regardless of how good the product may be.. To the OP.. Maybe buying Lotus Smartsuite (too old) and WP (too arcane) is not such a good idea.. I have heard less than favourable reports for OpenOffice, so if funds allow, buy Office 2003 or stick with what you have.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "Anne Troy" wrote in message ... Wow. I can tell you're not a WORD mvp... Methinks www.openoffice.org is better than WordPerfect! ******************* ~Anne Troy www.OfficeArticles.com "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... Jackson Your IP address suggests that you are in the UK, possibly in or around the Sheffield area, and maybe even using Force9 ISP assuming they still exist.. there is a PC World computer store at the following address.. Meadowhall Retail Park Attercliffe Common SHEFFIELD South Yorkshire S9 2YZ Tel: 0870 2420444 or go to this site for the store finder in the event that I have your location all wrong (most likely).. http://www.pcworld.co.uk/ If price is a first consideration, you may also want to look at WordPerfect Office and Lotus Smartsuite.. as I remember, PC World stock all of them.. well, certainly five years ago.. :-) -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "Jackson" wrote in message ... I have XP Home in which I am using an old version of Word 97 which I loaded from an old disk. It works fine still, but I have a couple of questions -- 1) Would I find much benefit in buying the latest Word? 2) If so, is this site selling genuine copies? http://1bj.biz.allsofte.com/ They keep on emailing me! 3) or would it be safer to buy from the MS site? Many thanks +Jackson+ ................ |
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"Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... Anne I did like WP 7 but later versions of WP are not as good, and ... To the OP.. Maybe buying Lotus Smartsuite (too old) and WP (too arcane) is not such a good idea.. I have heard less than favourable reports for OpenOffice, so if funds allow, buy Office 2003 or stick with what you have.. .... From the peanut gallery: OpenOffice is "good" for a Word intermediate user, poor for advanced, but "good to great" for less than intermediate users. IMO at least. I consider myself intermediate but not quite advanced. The MVP tests seem to agree with me (I'm -not- an MVP). It's definitely a ymmv for many, with cost being the driving factor of course. I made a pretty good effort at using OpenOffice, and was impressed, and still do use it occasionally for specific tasks it's useful for, like saving to a PDF file, speed for simple things, and fast open/close times. But, that said it's not ready for "MY" prime time yet. I don't speak for others. So, though I keept it installed, and use it for a few various things now and then, some more often, I am still with Office in a big way. It's not free, but it does what I need it to do and, being so well versed in it, I do have some set ways and enough experience to know that quite a few things I do in Word are harder or even less intuitive to accomplish in OpenOffice (Write et al). That's not a cut against OO, just an observation; often the "intuition" factor in OO beats MS right out of the water, but, again IMO, it's just not able to do everything I want to do yet in the ways I need to do them. So if I had to give one up, I'd have to give up OO at the moment. I tried OO for web authoring too, with all its bells and whistles, some of which I really liked, but ... though it's more intended for writing web pages than Word is, it still didn't make it. Old Word97, albeit a simplistic authoring tool, did better IMO, when combined with FP and a little HTML knowledge. I was finally able to wean myself from WD97 et al when I discovered N|VU and now use neither MS or OO for web authoring. (nvu.org if you care). I guess, all in all, if you could almost but not quite use Wordpad for all your needs, you're a great candidate to check out OO. If you actually use a lot of Word's features though you may not be so happy with OO. And, if you're interested in downloading OO, be aware; it's a huge download but at least it's free and very functional. My two cents Pop |
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I'm finding, and it's *really* annoying, that my "intuition" is so tuned to
how Word does things that I have to work a lot harder to use anything else.... But like you say, "best" software all depends on what the person who has to use it needs to do and prefers to work with. On 7/25/05 9:32 AM, "PopS" wrote: it, I do have some set ways and enough experience to know that quite a few things I do in Word are harder or even less intuitive to accomplish in OpenOffice (Write et al). That's not a cut against OO, just an observation; often the "intuition" factor in OO beats MS right out of the water, but, again IMO, it's just not able to do everything I want to do yet in the ways I need to do them. |
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Yup. I have a terrible time with some features in Publisher because they
work differently from Word, and I'm still not entirely comfortable composing in FrontPage (tend to write in Word and then paste into FP bit by bit). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message .. . I'm finding, and it's *really* annoying, that my "intuition" is so tuned to how Word does things that I have to work a lot harder to use anything else.... But like you say, "best" software all depends on what the person who has to use it needs to do and prefers to work with. On 7/25/05 9:32 AM, "PopS" wrote: it, I do have some set ways and enough experience to know that quite a few things I do in Word are harder or even less intuitive to accomplish in OpenOffice (Write et al). That's not a cut against OO, just an observation; often the "intuition" factor in OO beats MS right out of the water, but, again IMO, it's just not able to do everything I want to do yet in the ways I need to do them. |
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I liked your 2 cents, PopS. I keep OO installed only for recovering Word
files, really. But I agree with your "level of user" and the suitability of OO as an alternative. If I could only have one version of Office, I'd keep my Office 2000 Premium with its FrontPage, Publisher, and PhotoDraw; and without its suck-ass (pardon my french) new Mail merge methods. ******************* ~Anne Troy www.OfficeArticles.com "PopS" wrote in message ... "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... Anne I did like WP 7 but later versions of WP are not as good, and ... To the OP.. Maybe buying Lotus Smartsuite (too old) and WP (too arcane) is not such a good idea.. I have heard less than favourable reports for OpenOffice, so if funds allow, buy Office 2003 or stick with what you have.. ... From the peanut gallery: OpenOffice is "good" for a Word intermediate user, poor for advanced, but "good to great" for less than intermediate users. IMO at least. I consider myself intermediate but not quite advanced. The MVP tests seem to agree with me (I'm -not- an MVP). It's definitely a ymmv for many, with cost being the driving factor of course. I made a pretty good effort at using OpenOffice, and was impressed, and still do use it occasionally for specific tasks it's useful for, like saving to a PDF file, speed for simple things, and fast open/close times. But, that said it's not ready for "MY" prime time yet. I don't speak for others. So, though I keept it installed, and use it for a few various things now and then, some more often, I am still with Office in a big way. It's not free, but it does what I need it to do and, being so well versed in it, I do have some set ways and enough experience to know that quite a few things I do in Word are harder or even less intuitive to accomplish in OpenOffice (Write et al). That's not a cut against OO, just an observation; often the "intuition" factor in OO beats MS right out of the water, but, again IMO, it's just not able to do everything I want to do yet in the ways I need to do them. So if I had to give one up, I'd have to give up OO at the moment. I tried OO for web authoring too, with all its bells and whistles, some of which I really liked, but ... though it's more intended for writing web pages than Word is, it still didn't make it. Old Word97, albeit a simplistic authoring tool, did better IMO, when combined with FP and a little HTML knowledge. I was finally able to wean myself from WD97 et al when I discovered N|VU and now use neither MS or OO for web authoring. (nvu.org if you care). I guess, all in all, if you could almost but not quite use Wordpad for all your needs, you're a great candidate to check out OO. If you actually use a lot of Word's features though you may not be so happy with OO. And, if you're interested in downloading OO, be aware; it's a huge download but at least it's free and very functional. My two cents Pop |
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Mike Hall (MS-MVP) shared this with us in
microsoft.public.word.newusers: I have heard less than favourable reports for OpenOffice, Could you explain? OpenOffice NEEDS user feedback to improve. Also, is this first hand experience or only hearsay? -- Amedee Van Gasse |
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PopS shared this with us in microsoft.public.word.newusers:
From the peanut gallery: Reply from a nutcase: OpenOffice is "good" for a Word intermediate user, poor for advanced, but "good to great" for less than intermediate users. IMO at least. I consider myself intermediate but not quite advanced. The MVP tests seem to agree with me (I'm -not- an MVP). Please explain why OpenOffice is poor for advanced users. When I follow the discussions on Gmane (like news:gmane.comp.openoffice.questions) I don't get that impression. I'm not asking this because I disagree (or agree) with you. I'm just asking this because OOo /needs/ user feedback to get better. Only if advanced users point out the weak spots something can be done about it. It's definitely a ymmv for many, with cost being the driving factor of course. I disagree on the cost argument. Money is an obsolete argument if you see that Microsoft is almost giving away software with volume licenses or student licenses or OEM licenses. I made a pretty good effort at using OpenOffice, and was impressed, and still do use it occasionally for specific tasks it's useful for, like saving to a PDF file, speed for simple things, and fast open/close times. But, that said it's not ready for "MY" prime time yet. What issues hinder you from it becoming "YOUR" prime time? I don't speak for others. So, though I keept it installed, and use it for a few various things now and then, some more often, I am still with Office in a big way. It's not free, It's not free(gratis) but more important it's not Free(libre) and even more important it's not Open - I mean not only the software but also the file format. Here in Europe I see a lot of movement towards open file formats becoming mandatory by law. For example the Belgian Department of Justice starts using open file formats because legal documents made today should be readable in a few years without acrobatics (I don't mean Adobe). I don't see a lot of interesting reaction from Redmont... but it does what I need it to do and, being so well versed in it, I do have some set ways and enough experience to know that quite a few things I do in Word are harder or even less intuitive to accomplish in OpenOffice (Write et al). That's not a cut against OO, just an observation; often the "intuition" factor in OO beats MS right out of the water, but, again IMO, it's just not able to do everything I want to do yet in the ways I need to do them. That's not intuition, that's how you learned to use Word. You forgot the initial problems you had when you switched from WordStar to WordPerfect, or from WP DOS to WP Win, or from WP to MS Word,... So if I had to give one up, I'd have to give up OO at the moment. It's a good thing you don't have to. I tried OO for web authoring too, with all its bells and whistles, some of which I really liked, but... though it's more intended for writing web pages than Word is, it still didn't make it. Old Word97, albeit a simplistic authoring tool, did better IMO, when combined with FP and a little HTML knowledge. I was finally able to wean myself from WD97 et al when I discovered N|VU and now use neither MS or OO for web authoring. (nvu.org if you care). Neither MS Word nor OpenWrite are web authoring tools. You can't expect a program that does something "on the side" to excel (no pun intended) in that feature. FWIW, you found the better tool with nvu. I guess, all in all, if you could almost but not quite use Wordpad for all your needs, you're a great candidate to check out OO. If you actually use a lot of Word's features though you may not be so happy with OO. What exact features are you talking about? And, if you're interested in downloading OO, be aware; it's a huge download but at least it's free and very functional. I don't call 80 MB a huge download - but then again, I'm on broadband. 80MB is rather small compared to the 640MB for an MS Office ISO file (in Belgium there is a special website where students and teachers can download student licenses of selected MS Software) Often OpenOffice also comes on the CD or DVD cover disk you get with computer magazines. So you can buy it for about 5€ (6$). My two cents Mine two (pun intended) Pop -- Amedee Van Gasse |
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"Amedee Van Gasse" wrote in message ... PopS shared this with us in microsoft.public.word.newusers: From the peanut gallery: Reply from a nutcase: === You're rather an enigma, aren't you? Here you're almost insulting, and also in a couple of other places, but in the overall it doesn't appear to be your intent to name-call or be rude. Since you could easily think the same of me I suppose, it's attributable to a difference in cultures for the moment. Best to never dwell on emotions anyway g. OpenOffice is "good" for a Word intermediate user, poor for advanced, but "good to great" for less than intermediate users. IMO at least. I consider myself intermediate but not quite advanced. The MVP tests seem to agree with me (I'm -not- an MVP). Please explain why OpenOffice is poor for advanced users. When I follow the discussions on Gmane (like news:gmane.comp.openoffice.questions) I don't get that impression. === I believe you, and I also had the same experience. That's one of the reasons I decided to try OO, as a matter of fact. If you think I don't support OO, you are wrong. It's a great suite of apps and does a formidable job of succeeding for the most part. In fact, I still follow the project, and even offer a penny's thought here and there, though now it's less than I used to do. I'm not asking this because I disagree (or agree) with you. I'm just asking this because OOo /needs/ user feedback to get better. Only if advanced users point out the weak spots something can be done about it. === I agree, but 1., this is not the forum for it, and 2., I have already done so at the forums for a few of my major concerns. Many others were already talked about, so the most I could do there was offer a "confirm" if I had a detail or two to add. At this point I'd be a poor reference since my use of OO and/or its components is now rather "specialized" so my memories aren't going to be terribly accurate without either going thru my past communications about it, or better yet, going thru the issues manually, one at a time. For me, that is not productive and also I don't think this is the forum for that. IMO, instead of asking people to be specific here, you should be encouraging them to post their issues/concerns at a particular address rather than writing a long mail about it on a point by point basis. Also realize of course, that you're going to get a fair amount of blathering should you do that because non-OO lovers are also going to respond. It's definitely a ymmv for many, with cost being the driving factor of course. I disagree on the cost argument. Money is an obsolete argument if you see that Microsoft is almost giving away software with volume licenses or student licenses or OEM licenses. === 1. No, it's not obsolete, nor even moot. It's also not "given away" by MS: The software IS paid for in the price of the machines. Else you wouldn't have machines with less supplied applicaitons selling for less cost than the pre-installed machines. Anyplace that allows you to customize your purchase adds or subtracts from the bottom line on the receipt based on the software and hardware you've chosen. The fact that default items are shown as $0.00 dollars simply means it's included in the cost of the machine. 2. Especially in the case of an upgrade, it's still pretty expensive where OO is only the cost of the download time. I made a pretty good effort at using OpenOffice, and was impressed, and still do use it occasionally for specific tasks it's useful for, like saving to a PDF file, speed for simple things, and fast open/close times. But, that said it's not ready for "MY" prime time yet. What issues hinder you from it becoming "YOUR" prime time? === See my references above. I don't speak for others. So, though I keept it installed, and use it for a few various things now and then, some more often, I am still with Office in a big way. It's not free, It's not free(gratis) but more important it's not Free(libre) and even more important it's not Open - I mean not only the software but also the file format. === I'm sorry, but in my world it IS free. I paid nothing for it. I used my internet connection, but that minimal cost is overhead and would have been paid had I downloaded OO or not. So the OO was free. If you'll look at http://www.openoffice.org/ you'll see that it is indeed not only a no-charge item, but also that is is open sourced. It's open source to ANYONE that wants it, and it's easy to become part of their project if you wish to. Here in Europe I see a lot of movement towards open file formats becoming mandatory by law. For example the Belgian Department of Justice starts using open file formats because legal documents made today should be readable in a few years without acrobatics (I don't mean Adobe). I don't see a lot of interesting reaction from Redmont... === I've no idea what you're getting at there. Nothing seems relevant to the subject at hand. but it does what I need it to do and, being so well versed in it, I do have some set ways and enough experience to know that quite a few things I do in Word are harder or even less intuitive to accomplish in OpenOffice (Write et al). That's not a cut against OO, just an observation; often the "intuition" factor in OO beats MS right out of the water, but, again IMO, it's just not able to do everything I want to do yet in the ways I need to do them. That's not intuition, === If you look again, you'll note the quotes I used: Or is that a language problem between our cultures? I said the same thing you seem to want to explain. that's how you learned to use Word. You forgot the initial problems you had when you switched from WordStar to WordPerfect, or from WP DOS to WP Win, or from WP to MS Word,... === Ahhh, Wordstar: I recently had the "fun" of getting some old WS files off my long ago forgotten and archived floppies and re-rendering them to something useful. But the floppy recovery/refreshing turned out to be the easy part - surprisingly, I found a large Wordstar community still existing out there! I still think they had the right idea with their key triangles. So if I had to give one up, I'd have to give up OO at the moment. It's a good thing you don't have to. === No, not really. OO just makes it more convenient by having the "other" things I need easily accessible in one wrapper as opposed to a few different apps from different places. Which is what I had prior to OO. I tried OO for web authoring too, with all its bells and whistles, some of which I really liked, but... though it's more intended for writing web pages than Word is, it still didn't make it. Old Word97, albeit a simplistic authoring tool, did better IMO, when combined with FP and a little HTML knowledge. I was finally able to wean myself from WD97 et al when I discovered N|VU and now use neither MS or OO for web authoring. (nvu.org if you care). Neither MS Word nor OpenWrite are web authoring tools. You can't expect a program that does something "on the side" to excel (no pun intended) in that feature. FWIW, you found the better tool with nvu. === Definitely NVU is good. But I did very well with the combo of word97, FP and some HTML knowledge for a long time. WD97 was in fact a decent web authoring tool and wrote decent html code. At the time I used it, it was a valid, useful tool. Once I learned enough HTML I was able to graduate to NoteTAB, then PSPAD, and finally N|VU. N|VU still has a long way I guess, all in all, if you could almost but not quite use Wordpad for all your needs, you're a great candidate to check out OO. If you actually use a lot of Word's features though you may not be so happy with OO. What exact features are you talking about? And, if you're interested in downloading OO, be aware; it's a huge download but at least it's free and very functional. I don't call 80 MB a huge download - but then again, I'm on broadband. 80MB is rather small compared to the 640MB for an MS Office ISO file (in Belgium there is a special website where students and teachers can download student licenses of selected MS Software) Often OpenOffice also comes on the CD or DVD cover disk you get with computer magazines. So you can buy it for about 5? (6$). My two cents Mine two (pun intended) Pop -- Amedee Van Gasse |
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PS - OOPS! There I go, typing with my palms again! I
WISH I could figure out what keys I press to send my mail unexpectedly like that! "PopS" wrote in message ... "Amedee Van Gasse" wrote in message ... PopS shared this with us in microsoft.public.word.newusers: From the peanut gallery: Reply from a nutcase:... Anyway, all I had left to say was that we seemed to be on the same line of thought for the most part. I would and do recommend OO to some people and they've been quite happy. Now here's something you can carry back to the groups if you want to, though it's not very constructive criticism: The folks I've turned onto OO have been varying expertise levels. The more advanced users basically have stuck with it, while the more newbie users all migrated back to MS, interestingly enough. As near as I can tell, it's because they feel the attention MS wants them to feel, and OO leaves them alone. MS flies in their face and keeps telling them how happy they are with MS products. IMO, that puts it back to an education level. As well known as OO is in some circles, it's a total myth to most, even including some fairly advanced users who just aren't net savvy. OH, and one last thing: Anyone that can say 80 Meg is a small number, well, they should feel sorry for those of us stuck here in the toolies with only analog phone lines available. There isn't even any cable connection available here and satellite? Well only if you're rich! G Regards, Pop |
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Amadee
I have heard directly from people who have downloaded and used it.. I haven't done so personally, and I am not likely to do so as I have no desire presently to get used to the ways of another Office Suite.. All programs need feedback to improve.. having said that, if OpenOffice want to directly compete with all versions of MS Office, the authors have only to look at what MS Office can do in its various guises.. Re. 'hearsay'.. I object to the use of that word.. presently, I have only your word (surely hearsay) that Open Office is worth a look.. And if you think that I am a Microsoft user through and through, then get this.. I would still be using Corel WordPerfect 7 if it worked with XP.. it was in my opinion the best version of WP to present day.. it didn't have all of the features that MS Word had or has, but it was excellent for letter templates, labels, envelopes et al.. I always secretly hoped that MS (mainly because they have the funds) would bring out an Office Suite that embodied the best parts from WP and also Lotus WordPro.. they didn't, of course.. they released Office 2003 instead.. :-) So, Amadee, how would OpenOffice work for me?.. I use the majority of features available in Office over the course of time.. would I have to keep switching back and forth?.. if the answer to that is a yes, then forget it.. I have a legal and full version of MS Office 2003 Pro running on this system, and I am not about to waste my time messing with something else that does not cut it the way I would like it to do.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "Amedee Van Gasse" wrote in message ... Mike Hall (MS-MVP) shared this with us in microsoft.public.word.newusers: I have heard less than favourable reports for OpenOffice, Could you explain? OpenOffice NEEDS user feedback to improve. Also, is this first hand experience or only hearsay? -- Amedee Van Gasse |
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"Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... Amadee I have heard directly from people who have downloaded and used it.. I haven't done so personally, and I am not likely to do so as I have no desire presently to get used to the ways of another Office Suite.. All programs need feedback to improve.. having said that, if OpenOffice want to directly compete with all versions of MS Office, the authors have only to look at what MS Office can do in its various guises.. Re. 'hearsay'.. I object to the use of that word.. presently, I have only your word (surely hearsay) that Open Office is worth a look.. And if you think that I am a Microsoft user through and through, then get this.. I would still be using Corel WordPerfect 7 if it worked with XP.. it was in my opinion the best version of WP to present day.. it didn't have all of the features that MS Word had or has, but it was excellent for letter templates, labels, envelopes et al.. I always secretly hoped that MS (mainly because they have the funds) would bring out an Office Suite that embodied the best parts from WP and also Lotus WordPro.. they didn't, of course.. they released Office 2003 instead.. :-) So, Amadee, how would OpenOffice work for me?.. I use the majority of features available in Office over the course of time.. would I have to keep switching back and forth?.. if the answer to that is a yes, then forget it.. I have a legal and full version of MS Office 2003 Pro running on this system, and I am not about to waste my time messing with something else that does not cut it the way I would like it to do.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "Amedee Van Gasse" wrote in message ... Mike Hall (MS-MVP) shared this with us in microsoft.public.word.newusers: I have heard less than favourable reports for OpenOffice, Could you explain? OpenOffice NEEDS user feedback to improve. Also, is this first hand experience or only hearsay? -- Amedee Van Gasse Can't you order a CD for OO. I have one for OpenOffice.org 1.1 |
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I have no idea, and don't really care anyway.. :-) -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "Chuck Davis" newsgroup at anthemwebs dot com wrote in message ... "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message ... Amadee I have heard directly from people who have downloaded and used it.. I haven't done so personally, and I am not likely to do so as I have no desire presently to get used to the ways of another Office Suite.. All programs need feedback to improve.. having said that, if OpenOffice want to directly compete with all versions of MS Office, the authors have only to look at what MS Office can do in its various guises.. Re. 'hearsay'.. I object to the use of that word.. presently, I have only your word (surely hearsay) that Open Office is worth a look.. And if you think that I am a Microsoft user through and through, then get this.. I would still be using Corel WordPerfect 7 if it worked with XP.. it was in my opinion the best version of WP to present day.. it didn't have all of the features that MS Word had or has, but it was excellent for letter templates, labels, envelopes et al.. I always secretly hoped that MS (mainly because they have the funds) would bring out an Office Suite that embodied the best parts from WP and also Lotus WordPro.. they didn't, of course.. they released Office 2003 instead.. :-) So, Amadee, how would OpenOffice work for me?.. I use the majority of features available in Office over the course of time.. would I have to keep switching back and forth?.. if the answer to that is a yes, then forget it.. I have a legal and full version of MS Office 2003 Pro running on this system, and I am not about to waste my time messing with something else that does not cut it the way I would like it to do.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "Amedee Van Gasse" wrote in message ... Mike Hall (MS-MVP) shared this with us in microsoft.public.word.newusers: I have heard less than favourable reports for OpenOffice, Could you explain? OpenOffice NEEDS user feedback to improve. Also, is this first hand experience or only hearsay? -- Amedee Van Gasse Can't you order a CD for OO. I have one for OpenOffice.org 1.1 |
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microsoft.public.word.newusers: Amadee I object to the misspelling of my first name. I have heard directly from people who have downloaded and used it.. I haven't done so personally, and I am not likely to do so as I have no desire presently to get used to the ways of another Office Suite.. Excellent. I respect your choice, knowing that you are aware there is a choice. Re. 'hearsay'.. I object to the use of that word.. Cultural/language differences? And if you think that I am a Microsoft user through and through, then get this.. I would still be using Corel WordPerfect 7 if it worked with XP.. it was in my opinion the best version of WP to present day.. it didn't have all of the features that MS Word had or has, but it was excellent for letter templates, labels, envelopes et al.. I always secretly hoped that MS (mainly because they have the funds) would bring out an Office Suite that embodied the best parts from WP and also Lotus WordPro.. they didn't, of course.. they released Office 2003 instead.. :-) I know *exactly* what you mean because I have also used Corel WP and Lotus Smartsuite. I could do stunning things with envelopes (in Lotus WordPro) that are now almost impossible. I have a legal and full version of MS Office 2003 Pro running on this system Good for you. Really. No sarcasm. At work I have Office 2000, and at home my wife has Office 2003. All full and legal. I do more work in Excel (or OpenCalc) than Word (or OpenWriter) but I know my way. There are a lot of people "out there" and even "in here" who don't have a legal version of MS Office. These people have 3 options: 1) buy a proper version (most of them will never do that untill a Microsoft landshark comes knocking at their door.) 2) keep on using an illegal version, thus increasing the market share of Microsoft but at the same time decreasing its profit. I have no other word than theft for describing this. 3) use "something else" that doesn't have legal issues. Option 1 is of course the best option that I will always defend. If option 1 isn't chosen for whatever reason, I think it's immoral do defend option 2. -- Amedee Van Gasse |
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I use the short version of my name because most seem unable to spell 'Michael' correctly.. it happens.. I can assure you that my objection to the term 'hearsay' is not down to any cultural or language difference.. the word 'hearsay' suggests unverified rumour or idle uninformed gossip.. a term used to denigrate the view of another as in 'oh well, that is just hearsay, of course'.. in the UK, one would liken it to tittle-tattle or idle gossip.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/User "Amedee Van Gasse" wrote in message ... Mike Hall (MS-MVP) shared this with us in microsoft.public.word.newusers: Amadee I object to the misspelling of my first name. I have heard directly from people who have downloaded and used it.. I haven't done so personally, and I am not likely to do so as I have no desire presently to get used to the ways of another Office Suite.. Excellent. I respect your choice, knowing that you are aware there is a choice. Re. 'hearsay'.. I object to the use of that word.. Cultural/language differences? And if you think that I am a Microsoft user through and through, then get this.. I would still be using Corel WordPerfect 7 if it worked with XP.. it was in my opinion the best version of WP to present day.. it didn't have all of the features that MS Word had or has, but it was excellent for letter templates, labels, envelopes et al.. I always secretly hoped that MS (mainly because they have the funds) would bring out an Office Suite that embodied the best parts from WP and also Lotus WordPro.. they didn't, of course.. they released Office 2003 instead.. :-) I know *exactly* what you mean because I have also used Corel WP and Lotus Smartsuite. I could do stunning things with envelopes (in Lotus WordPro) that are now almost impossible. I have a legal and full version of MS Office 2003 Pro running on this system Good for you. Really. No sarcasm. At work I have Office 2000, and at home my wife has Office 2003. All full and legal. I do more work in Excel (or OpenCalc) than Word (or OpenWriter) but I know my way. There are a lot of people "out there" and even "in here" who don't have a legal version of MS Office. These people have 3 options: 1) buy a proper version (most of them will never do that untill a Microsoft landshark comes knocking at their door.) 2) keep on using an illegal version, thus increasing the market share of Microsoft but at the same time decreasing its profit. I have no other word than theft for describing this. 3) use "something else" that doesn't have legal issues. Option 1 is of course the best option that I will always defend. If option 1 isn't chosen for whatever reason, I think it's immoral do defend option 2. -- Amedee Van Gasse |
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