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OK, this is driving me friggen nuts! I'm hoping someone can please help.
I have a form (Word 03) that I'm trying to use sbarnhill's SytleRef trick with. The Useful StyleRef tricks page is: http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/S....htm#FormField because I want to insert a Name field (client entered) and Date field (client entered) into the footer. So far so good. I did all of the instructions and everything works --except-- the formatting of the form fields turn from my Normal Style Font (Arial 10pt.) to MS Gothic and I can't figure out why or how to fix it. I've tried switching the Style Type to Paragraph and it still changes to MS Gothic when the style is applied to the form field. I tried deleting it and reformatting it by entering Arial into the Formatting field ofthe New Style dialog--still MS Gothic. And it gets weirder! If I insert a form field, just a normal one, and apply the Normal Style to it, it changes to MS Gothic Font even though it was all ready Normal Style in the first place! AAHHHH!! Am I going crazy or what? Does anyone have any clue as to what the heck is happening with this form? Where is the MS Gothic Font coming from? It's not in any of my Styles or Normal.dot. Grrrrr. Would someone kindly tell me where this might be coming from? 'Cause I'm about to through my monitor out the window! I know that won't fix my problem but it sure would feel good! I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking about! Anyway, if any Gurus out there could please come to my rescue, I sure would appreciate it. Much much thanks in advance! Best, Dax -- I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous! |
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MS Gothic is a Chinese font. In your Style(s) Font, is there an
entry area under "Asian fonts"? If MS Gothic is chosen there, see if you can change it to something innocuous like Arial or TNR. There's a third area for a default font, called "Complex," which covers Arabic/Hebrew and Indian fonts. You should also be able to make that one Arial or TNR, too. Presumably those two extra areas are only shown if your computer has its Asian and Complex abilities turned on (mine were from the beginning, so I don't know what it looks like without them.) On Aug 6, 10:24*pm, Dax Arroway wrote: OK, this is driving me friggen nuts! *I'm hoping someone can please help. * I have a form (Word 03) that I'm trying to use sbarnhill's SytleRef trick with. *The Useful StyleRef tricks page is:http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/S....htm#FormField because I want to insert a Name field (client entered) and Date field (client entered) into the footer. *So far so good. *I did all of the instructions and everything works --except-- the formatting of the form fields turn from my Normal Style Font (Arial 10pt.) to MS Gothic and I can't figure out why or how to fix it. * I've tried switching the Style Type to Paragraph and it still changes to MS Gothic when the style is applied to the form field. *I tried deleting it and reformatting it by entering Arial into the Formatting field ofthe New Style dialog--still MS Gothic. *And it gets weirder! *If I insert a form field, just a normal one, and apply the Normal Style to it, it changes to MS Gothic Font even though it was all ready Normal Style in the first place! *AAHHHH!! * Am I going crazy or what? *Does anyone have any clue as to what the heck is happening with this form? *Where is the MS Gothic Font coming from? *It's not in any of my Styles or Normal.dot. *Grrrrr. * Would someone kindly tell me where this might be coming from? *'Cause I'm about to through my monitor out the window! *I know that won't fix my problem but it sure would feel good! *I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking about! *Anyway, if any Gurus out there could please come to my rescue, I sure would appreciate it. *Much much thanks in advance! * Best, Dax -- I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous! |
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Actually, I do have MS Gothic on my machine. My bad. But it's not a Chinese
font, it's English characters. I'm not sure where Styel(s)Font is! In ToolsStyles and Formatting, when I click it the Styles and Formatting pane comes open and I don't see anywhere in any of my styles where there's anything that says Asian Fonts or Complex and I'm not sure where to look. Can you be a bit more specific? I'm using Word 03 on a WinXP machine if that helps. --Dax -- I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous! "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: MS Gothic is a Chinese font. In your Style(s) Font, is there an entry area under "Asian fonts"? If MS Gothic is chosen there, see if you can change it to something innocuous like Arial or TNR. There's a third area for a default font, called "Complex," which covers Arabic/Hebrew and Indian fonts. You should also be able to make that one Arial or TNR, too. Presumably those two extra areas are only shown if your computer has its Asian and Complex abilities turned on (mine were from the beginning, so I don't know what it looks like without them.) On Aug 6, 10:24 pm, Dax Arroway wrote: OK, this is driving me friggen nuts! I'm hoping someone can please help. I have a form (Word 03) that I'm trying to use sbarnhill's SytleRef trick with. The Useful StyleRef tricks page is:http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/S....htm#FormField because I want to insert a Name field (client entered) and Date field (client entered) into the footer. So far so good. I did all of the instructions and everything works --except-- the formatting of the form fields turn from my Normal Style Font (Arial 10pt.) to MS Gothic and I can't figure out why or how to fix it. I've tried switching the Style Type to Paragraph and it still changes to MS Gothic when the style is applied to the form field. I tried deleting it and reformatting it by entering Arial into the Formatting field ofthe New Style dialog--still MS Gothic. And it gets weirder! If I insert a form field, just a normal one, and apply the Normal Style to it, it changes to MS Gothic Font even though it was all ready Normal Style in the first place! AAHHHH!! Am I going crazy or what? Does anyone have any clue as to what the heck is happening with this form? Where is the MS Gothic Font coming from? It's not in any of my Styles or Normal.dot. Grrrrr. Would someone kindly tell me where this might be coming from? 'Cause I'm about to through my monitor out the window! I know that won't fix my problem but it sure would feel good! I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking about! Anyway, if any Gurus out there could please come to my rescue, I sure would appreciate it. Much much thanks in advance! Best, Dax -- I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous! |
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All the Chinese fonts have a full set of Roman letters (and lots of
stuff that doesn't appear in regular Roman fonts), and MS Gothic is probably installed automatically. Choose a style in the S&F panel, right-click, and choose Modify, and in the panel that appears click Formatting Fonts. You get the same panel you see with Format Fonts when you're out in your document, and that's where you can change the fonts in case MS Gothic is the Asian default (if Asian is enabled in Windows). Or, you could simply uninstall the MS Gothic font by going to the Fonts area of Start Control Panel. On Aug 6, 11:58*pm, Dax Arroway wrote: Actually, I do have MS Gothic on my machine. *My bad. *But it's not a Chinese font, it's English characters. *I'm not sure where Styel(s)Font is! *In ToolsStyles and Formatting, when I click it the Styles and Formatting pane comes open and I don't see anywhere in any of my styles where there's anything that says Asian Fonts or Complex and I'm not sure where to look. * Can you be a bit more specific? *I'm using Word 03 on a WinXP machine if that helps. *--Dax -- I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous! "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: MS Gothic is a Chinese font. In your Style(s) Font, is there an entry area under "Asian fonts"? If MS Gothic is chosen there, see if you can change it to something innocuous like Arial or TNR. There's a third area for a default font, called "Complex," which covers Arabic/Hebrew and Indian fonts. You should also be able to make that one Arial or TNR, too. Presumably those two extra areas are only shown if your computer has its Asian and Complex abilities turned on (mine were from the beginning, so I don't know what it looks like without them.) On Aug 6, 10:24 pm, Dax Arroway wrote: OK, this is driving me friggen nuts! *I'm hoping someone can please help. * I have a form (Word 03) that I'm trying to use sbarnhill's SytleRef trick with. *The Useful StyleRef tricks page is:http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/S....htm#FormField because I want to insert a Name field (client entered) and Date field (client entered) into the footer. *So far so good. *I did all of the instructions and everything works --except-- the formatting of the form fields turn from my Normal Style Font (Arial 10pt.) to MS Gothic and I can't figure out why or how to fix it. * I've tried switching the Style Type to Paragraph and it still changes to MS Gothic when the style is applied to the form field. *I tried deleting it and reformatting it by entering Arial into the Formatting field ofthe New Style dialog--still MS Gothic. *And it gets weirder! *If I insert a form field, just a normal one, and apply the Normal Style to it, it changes to MS Gothic Font even though it was all ready Normal Style in the first place! *AAHHHH!! * Am I going crazy or what? *Does anyone have any clue as to what the heck is happening with this form? *Where is the MS Gothic Font coming from? *It's not in any of my Styles or Normal.dot. *Grrrrr. * Would someone kindly tell me where this might be coming from? *'Cause I'm about to through my monitor out the window! *I know that won't fix my problem but it sure would feel good! *I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking about! *Anyway, if any Gurus out there could please come to my rescue, I sure would appreciate it. *Much much thanks in advance! * Best, Dax |
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Hi Peter,
Thanks for the input. That's just the thing though. On my machine at work (Word07) I don't have MS Gothic installed and from following your instructions S&FRightClickOnAStyleModifyFormatFont I see nowhere where there's anywhere where I can set an Asian Font and Arial is listed as the default font. Same with my computer at home (Word03) When I go to S&FRightClickOnAStyleModifyFormatLanguage the only Language that's set is English. I can see where I can add different fonts, but none of them are selected. (Maybe becaues they're listed does that mean that they're installed because they're available but if it weren't available on other client's machines [because i'll be putting this file out on the server for others in my company to use--03 and 07 users] that this would default to something else and continue to be a neusance instead of reverting back to Arial? Also, when I insert a Text Form Field into the document, it works fine and stays Arial but when I create a character style and apply it to the field, that's where it changes to this MS Gothic, which obviously is continuing to drive me NUTS! So it doesn't seem that I have other languages turned on anywhere and I'm not sure how the settings on my computer will affect a .dot when it's uploaded to the server but do you see any other ways of controling this behavior or am I just SOL and will have to live with it? --Dax -- I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous! "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: All the Chinese fonts have a full set of Roman letters (and lots of stuff that doesn't appear in regular Roman fonts), and MS Gothic is probably installed automatically. Choose a style in the S&F panel, right-click, and choose Modify, and in the panel that appears click Formatting Fonts. You get the same panel you see with Format Fonts when you're out in your document, and that's where you can change the fonts in case MS Gothic is the Asian default (if Asian is enabled in Windows). Or, you could simply uninstall the MS Gothic font by going to the Fonts area of Start Control Panel. On Aug 6, 11:58 pm, Dax Arroway wrote: Actually, I do have MS Gothic on my machine. My bad. But it's not a Chinese font, it's English characters. I'm not sure where Styel(s)Font is! In ToolsStyles and Formatting, when I click it the Styles and Formatting pane comes open and I don't see anywhere in any of my styles where there's anything that says Asian Fonts or Complex and I'm not sure where to look. Can you be a bit more specific? I'm using Word 03 on a WinXP machine if that helps. --Dax -- I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous! "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: MS Gothic is a Chinese font. In your Style(s) Font, is there an entry area under "Asian fonts"? If MS Gothic is chosen there, see if you can change it to something innocuous like Arial or TNR. There's a third area for a default font, called "Complex," which covers Arabic/Hebrew and Indian fonts. You should also be able to make that one Arial or TNR, too. Presumably those two extra areas are only shown if your computer has its Asian and Complex abilities turned on (mine were from the beginning, so I don't know what it looks like without them.) On Aug 6, 10:24 pm, Dax Arroway wrote: OK, this is driving me friggen nuts! I'm hoping someone can please help. I have a form (Word 03) that I'm trying to use sbarnhill's SytleRef trick with. The Useful StyleRef tricks page is:http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/S....htm#FormField because I want to insert a Name field (client entered) and Date field (client entered) into the footer. So far so good. I did all of the instructions and everything works --except-- the formatting of the form fields turn from my Normal Style Font (Arial 10pt.) to MS Gothic and I can't figure out why or how to fix it. I've tried switching the Style Type to Paragraph and it still changes to MS Gothic when the style is applied to the form field. I tried deleting it and reformatting it by entering Arial into the Formatting field ofthe New Style dialog--still MS Gothic. And it gets weirder! If I insert a form field, just a normal one, and apply the Normal Style to it, it changes to MS Gothic Font even though it was all ready Normal Style in the first place! AAHHHH!! Am I going crazy or what? Does anyone have any clue as to what the heck is happening with this form? Where is the MS Gothic Font coming from? It's not in any of my Styles or Normal.dot. Grrrrr. Would someone kindly tell me where this might be coming from? 'Cause I'm about to through my monitor out the window! I know that won't fix my problem but it sure would feel good! I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking about! Anyway, if any Gurus out there could please come to my rescue, I sure would appreciate it. Much much thanks in advance! Best, Dax |
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I found Microsoft Office 2003 Language Settings under Start\All Programs\MS
etc. etc. and the only language I have installed is English. -- I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous! "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: MS Gothic is a Chinese font. In your Style(s) Font, is there an entry area under "Asian fonts"? If MS Gothic is chosen there, see if you can change it to something innocuous like Arial or TNR. There's a third area for a default font, called "Complex," which covers Arabic/Hebrew and Indian fonts. You should also be able to make that one Arial or TNR, too. Presumably those two extra areas are only shown if your computer has its Asian and Complex abilities turned on (mine were from the beginning, so I don't know what it looks like without them.) On Aug 6, 10:24 pm, Dax Arroway wrote: OK, this is driving me friggen nuts! I'm hoping someone can please help. I have a form (Word 03) that I'm trying to use sbarnhill's SytleRef trick with. The Useful StyleRef tricks page is:http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/S....htm#FormField because I want to insert a Name field (client entered) and Date field (client entered) into the footer. So far so good. I did all of the instructions and everything works --except-- the formatting of the form fields turn from my Normal Style Font (Arial 10pt.) to MS Gothic and I can't figure out why or how to fix it. I've tried switching the Style Type to Paragraph and it still changes to MS Gothic when the style is applied to the form field. I tried deleting it and reformatting it by entering Arial into the Formatting field ofthe New Style dialog--still MS Gothic. And it gets weirder! If I insert a form field, just a normal one, and apply the Normal Style to it, it changes to MS Gothic Font even though it was all ready Normal Style in the first place! AAHHHH!! Am I going crazy or what? Does anyone have any clue as to what the heck is happening with this form? Where is the MS Gothic Font coming from? It's not in any of my Styles or Normal.dot. Grrrrr. Would someone kindly tell me where this might be coming from? 'Cause I'm about to through my monitor out the window! I know that won't fix my problem but it sure would feel good! I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking about! Anyway, if any Gurus out there could please come to my rescue, I sure would appreciate it. Much much thanks in advance! Best, Dax -- I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous! |
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Are you using a paragraph or character style? If the latter, you should base
it on Default Paragraph Font, and you shouldn't see this issue. If it's a paragraph style, what style is it based on? FWIW, I've never even heard of MS Gothic. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Dax Arroway" wrote in message ... OK, this is driving me friggen nuts! I'm hoping someone can please help. I have a form (Word 03) that I'm trying to use sbarnhill's SytleRef trick with. The Useful StyleRef tricks page is: http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/S....htm#FormField because I want to insert a Name field (client entered) and Date field (client entered) into the footer. So far so good. I did all of the instructions and everything works --except-- the formatting of the form fields turn from my Normal Style Font (Arial 10pt.) to MS Gothic and I can't figure out why or how to fix it. I've tried switching the Style Type to Paragraph and it still changes to MS Gothic when the style is applied to the form field. I tried deleting it and reformatting it by entering Arial into the Formatting field ofthe New Style dialog--still MS Gothic. And it gets weirder! If I insert a form field, just a normal one, and apply the Normal Style to it, it changes to MS Gothic Font even though it was all ready Normal Style in the first place! AAHHHH!! Am I going crazy or what? Does anyone have any clue as to what the heck is happening with this form? Where is the MS Gothic Font coming from? It's not in any of my Styles or Normal.dot. Grrrrr. Would someone kindly tell me where this might be coming from? 'Cause I'm about to through my monitor out the window! I know that won't fix my problem but it sure would feel good! I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking about! Anyway, if any Gurus out there could please come to my rescue, I sure would appreciate it. Much much thanks in advance! Best, Dax -- I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous! |
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Ms. Barnhill herself! WOW! Thanks for coming to my rescue. I'm honored.
I'm using a character style. Funny thing is when I simply insert a form field its Normal Style (Arial) but if I apply the Normal Style to the form field, it switches to MS Gothic. If I insert the field and clear the formatting (CTRL+Spacebar) it switches to MS Gothic. This leads me to believe that there's an underlying Font field imbeded within the document somewhere or somehow. I even changed the Default Font by using the Font dialog box and selecting the Default button but this doesn't fix it. PS: I don't even have MS Gothic on this machine. MS Gothic, or whatever it's defaulting to... is ugly! -- I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous! "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Are you using a paragraph or character style? If the latter, you should base it on Default Paragraph Font, and you shouldn't see this issue. If it's a paragraph style, what style is it based on? FWIW, I've never even heard of MS Gothic. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Dax Arroway" wrote in message ... OK, this is driving me friggen nuts! I'm hoping someone can please help. I have a form (Word 03) that I'm trying to use sbarnhill's SytleRef trick with. The Useful StyleRef tricks page is: http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/S....htm#FormField because I want to insert a Name field (client entered) and Date field (client entered) into the footer. So far so good. I did all of the instructions and everything works --except-- the formatting of the form fields turn from my Normal Style Font (Arial 10pt.) to MS Gothic and I can't figure out why or how to fix it. I've tried switching the Style Type to Paragraph and it still changes to MS Gothic when the style is applied to the form field. I tried deleting it and reformatting it by entering Arial into the Formatting field ofthe New Style dialog--still MS Gothic. And it gets weirder! If I insert a form field, just a normal one, and apply the Normal Style to it, it changes to MS Gothic Font even though it was all ready Normal Style in the first place! AAHHHH!! Am I going crazy or what? Does anyone have any clue as to what the heck is happening with this form? Where is the MS Gothic Font coming from? It's not in any of my Styles or Normal.dot. Grrrrr. Would someone kindly tell me where this might be coming from? 'Cause I'm about to through my monitor out the window! I know that won't fix my problem but it sure would feel good! I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking about! Anyway, if any Gurus out there could please come to my rescue, I sure would appreciate it. Much much thanks in advance! Best, Dax -- I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous! |
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Aha! Ctrl-Spacebar is the Windows command to switch to the Chinese
IME, and it overrides Word's "clear formatting" command -- you have to use Ctrl-Shift-Z to clear formatting in Word. (Changing the Windows keyboard shortcut for switching to Chinese -- in the Regional and Language Settings part of Control Panel -- does _not_ stick.) Which means that Asian typing is enabled on your computer. On Aug 6, 11:37*pm, Dax Arroway wrote: Ms. Barnhill herself! *WOW! *Thanks for coming to my rescue. *I'm honored. * I'm using a character style. *Funny thing is when I simply insert a form field its Normal Style (Arial) but if I apply the Normal Style to the form field, it switches to MS Gothic. *If I insert the field and clear the formatting (CTRL+Spacebar) it switches to MS Gothic. *This leads me to believe that there's an underlying Font field imbeded within the document somewhere or somehow. *I even changed the Default Font by using the Font dialog box and selecting the Default button but this doesn't fix it. * PS: I don't even have MS Gothic on this machine. *MS Gothic, or whatever it's defaulting to... is ugly! * -- I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous! "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Are you using a paragraph or character style? If the latter, you should base it on Default Paragraph Font, and you shouldn't see this issue. If it's a paragraph style, what style is it based on? FWIW, I've never even heard of MS Gothic. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Dax Arroway" wrote in message ... OK, this is driving me friggen nuts! *I'm hoping someone can please help. I have a form (Word 03) that I'm trying to use sbarnhill's SytleRef trick with. *The Useful StyleRef tricks page is: http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/S....htm#FormField because I want to insert a Name field (client entered) and Date field (client entered) into the footer. *So far so good. *I did all of the instructions and everything works --except-- the formatting of the form fields turn from my Normal Style Font (Arial 10pt.) to MS Gothic and I can't figure out why or how to fix it. I've tried switching the Style Type to Paragraph and it still changes to MS Gothic when the style is applied to the form field. *I tried deleting it and reformatting it by entering Arial into the Formatting field ofthe New Style dialog--still MS Gothic. *And it gets weirder! *If I insert a form field, just a normal one, and apply the Normal Style to it, it changes to MS Gothic Font even though it was all ready Normal Style in the first place! AAHHHH!! Am I going crazy or what? *Does anyone have any clue as to what the heck is happening with this form? *Where is the MS Gothic Font coming from? *It's not in any of my Styles or Normal.dot. *Grrrrr. Would someone kindly tell me where this might be coming from? *'Cause I'm about to through my monitor out the window! *I know that won't fix my problem but it sure would feel good! *I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking about! *Anyway, if any Gurus out there could please come to my rescue, I sure would appreciate it. *Much much thanks in advance! Best, Dax |
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I think Peter has identified some of the key issues involved. In the past,
similar issues have been associated with form fields converting to MS Mincho (a Japanese font), which is equally infuriating, and I have had this happen even outside of fields when using Ctrl+Spacebar on some characters that I believe are (covertly) drawn from Arial Unicode MS (en and em spaces). I don't have any Asian language enabled, either, so it is puzzling why this happens. I know that MS (or at least some people at MS) are aware of issues of this type because I've submitted problem documents where this sort of thing was happening. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Dax Arroway" wrote in message ... Ms. Barnhill herself! WOW! Thanks for coming to my rescue. I'm honored. I'm using a character style. Funny thing is when I simply insert a form field its Normal Style (Arial) but if I apply the Normal Style to the form field, it switches to MS Gothic. If I insert the field and clear the formatting (CTRL+Spacebar) it switches to MS Gothic. This leads me to believe that there's an underlying Font field imbeded within the document somewhere or somehow. I even changed the Default Font by using the Font dialog box and selecting the Default button but this doesn't fix it. PS: I don't even have MS Gothic on this machine. MS Gothic, or whatever it's defaulting to... is ugly! -- I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous! "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Are you using a paragraph or character style? If the latter, you should base it on Default Paragraph Font, and you shouldn't see this issue. If it's a paragraph style, what style is it based on? FWIW, I've never even heard of MS Gothic. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Dax Arroway" wrote in message ... OK, this is driving me friggen nuts! I'm hoping someone can please help. I have a form (Word 03) that I'm trying to use sbarnhill's SytleRef trick with. The Useful StyleRef tricks page is: http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/S....htm#FormField because I want to insert a Name field (client entered) and Date field (client entered) into the footer. So far so good. I did all of the instructions and everything works --except-- the formatting of the form fields turn from my Normal Style Font (Arial 10pt.) to MS Gothic and I can't figure out why or how to fix it. I've tried switching the Style Type to Paragraph and it still changes to MS Gothic when the style is applied to the form field. I tried deleting it and reformatting it by entering Arial into the Formatting field ofthe New Style dialog--still MS Gothic. And it gets weirder! If I insert a form field, just a normal one, and apply the Normal Style to it, it changes to MS Gothic Font even though it was all ready Normal Style in the first place! AAHHHH!! Am I going crazy or what? Does anyone have any clue as to what the heck is happening with this form? Where is the MS Gothic Font coming from? It's not in any of my Styles or Normal.dot. Grrrrr. Would someone kindly tell me where this might be coming from? 'Cause I'm about to through my monitor out the window! I know that won't fix my problem but it sure would feel good! I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking about! Anyway, if any Gurus out there could please come to my rescue, I sure would appreciate it. Much much thanks in advance! Best, Dax -- I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous! |
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StyleRef Formatting Frustrations
In the past, similar issues have been associated with form fields converting
to MS Mincho I dont have any Asian language enabled, either. In Word 2003, when I use Ctrl+Spacebar (which runs the ResetChar command as does Ctrl+Shift+Z), the font of the form fields here change to MS Mincho. I have created a lot of forms and the problem is rather annoying. However, resetting the form fields (e.g. using Reset Form Fields in the Forms toolbar) corrects the problem here and reverts the form fields to the correct formatting. MS Mincho is also erroneously applied if I apply a character style to a form field. Resetting the form fields also cures that problem here. Maybe it will work for you too, Dax. I have just checked in Word 2007 and the problem seems to be gone there. I am inclined to use Word 2003 whenever possible but maybe I will use Word 2007 for forms from now on€¦ By the way, I am ambidextrous ;-) -- Regards Lene Fredborg - Microsoft MVP (Word) DocTools - Denmark www.thedoctools.com Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I think Peter has identified some of the key issues involved. In the past, similar issues have been associated with form fields converting to MS Mincho (a Japanese font), which is equally infuriating, and I have had this happen even outside of fields when using Ctrl+Spacebar on some characters that I believe are (covertly) drawn from Arial Unicode MS (en and em spaces). I don't have any Asian language enabled, either, so it is puzzling why this happens. I know that MS (or at least some people at MS) are aware of issues of this type because I've submitted problem documents where this sort of thing was happening. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Dax Arroway" wrote in message ... Ms. Barnhill herself! WOW! Thanks for coming to my rescue. I'm honored. I'm using a character style. Funny thing is when I simply insert a form field its Normal Style (Arial) but if I apply the Normal Style to the form field, it switches to MS Gothic. If I insert the field and clear the formatting (CTRL+Spacebar) it switches to MS Gothic. This leads me to believe that there's an underlying Font field imbeded within the document somewhere or somehow. I even changed the Default Font by using the Font dialog box and selecting the Default button but this doesn't fix it. PS: I don't even have MS Gothic on this machine. MS Gothic, or whatever it's defaulting to... is ugly! -- I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous! "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Are you using a paragraph or character style? If the latter, you should base it on Default Paragraph Font, and you shouldn't see this issue. If it's a paragraph style, what style is it based on? FWIW, I've never even heard of MS Gothic. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Dax Arroway" wrote in message ... OK, this is driving me friggen nuts! I'm hoping someone can please help. I have a form (Word 03) that I'm trying to use sbarnhill's SytleRef trick with. The Useful StyleRef tricks page is: http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/S....htm#FormField because I want to insert a Name field (client entered) and Date field (client entered) into the footer. So far so good. I did all of the instructions and everything works --except-- the formatting of the form fields turn from my Normal Style Font (Arial 10pt.) to MS Gothic and I can't figure out why or how to fix it. I've tried switching the Style Type to Paragraph and it still changes to MS Gothic when the style is applied to the form field. I tried deleting it and reformatting it by entering Arial into the Formatting field ofthe New Style dialog--still MS Gothic. And it gets weirder! If I insert a form field, just a normal one, and apply the Normal Style to it, it changes to MS Gothic Font even though it was all ready Normal Style in the first place! AAHHHH!! Am I going crazy or what? Does anyone have any clue as to what the heck is happening with this form? Where is the MS Gothic Font coming from? It's not in any of my Styles or Normal.dot. Grrrrr. Would someone kindly tell me where this might be coming from? 'Cause I'm about to through my monitor out the window! I know that won't fix my problem but it sure would feel good! I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking about! Anyway, if any Gurus out there could please come to my rescue, I sure would appreciate it. Much much thanks in advance! Best, Dax -- I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous! |
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Oh so totally close! So, thinking that I'd just scrap the whole thing and
start from scratch I decided to practice on a blank doc first. Open New Insert Text Form Field Create New Character Style Apply Character Style to Form Field yep, changes to MS Mincho on this machine (home--Word03) apply Form Reset (that works) insert StyleRef into Header Lock the Form Test, and then... What happens is the first word, whether it's one character or 20, is formatted with the MS Mincho font and the following words, after the first space, is formatted with my Normal Paragraph Font. *sigh* I don't think other languages are installed and I'm not sure where to go to check. I tried uninstalling both MS Mincho and MS Gothic and my PC says it can't uninstall them cause another program is using it (not sure which). I'll reboot in safe mode and see if I can get rid of them and try this again. -- I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous! "Lene Fredborg" wrote: In the past, similar issues have been associated with form fields converting to MS Mincho I dont have any Asian language enabled, either. In Word 2003, when I use Ctrl+Spacebar (which runs the ResetChar command as does Ctrl+Shift+Z), the font of the form fields here change to MS Mincho. I have created a lot of forms and the problem is rather annoying. However, resetting the form fields (e.g. using Reset Form Fields in the Forms toolbar) corrects the problem here and reverts the form fields to the correct formatting. MS Mincho is also erroneously applied if I apply a character style to a form field. Resetting the form fields also cures that problem here. Maybe it will work for you too, Dax. I have just checked in Word 2007 and the problem seems to be gone there. I am inclined to use Word 2003 whenever possible but maybe I will use Word 2007 for forms from now on€¦ By the way, I am ambidextrous ;-) -- Regards Lene Fredborg - Microsoft MVP (Word) DocTools - Denmark www.thedoctools.com Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I think Peter has identified some of the key issues involved. In the past, similar issues have been associated with form fields converting to MS Mincho (a Japanese font), which is equally infuriating, and I have had this happen even outside of fields when using Ctrl+Spacebar on some characters that I believe are (covertly) drawn from Arial Unicode MS (en and em spaces). I don't have any Asian language enabled, either, so it is puzzling why this happens. I know that MS (or at least some people at MS) are aware of issues of this type because I've submitted problem documents where this sort of thing was happening. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Dax Arroway" wrote in message ... Ms. Barnhill herself! WOW! Thanks for coming to my rescue. I'm honored. I'm using a character style. Funny thing is when I simply insert a form field its Normal Style (Arial) but if I apply the Normal Style to the form field, it switches to MS Gothic. If I insert the field and clear the formatting (CTRL+Spacebar) it switches to MS Gothic. This leads me to believe that there's an underlying Font field imbeded within the document somewhere or somehow. I even changed the Default Font by using the Font dialog box and selecting the Default button but this doesn't fix it. PS: I don't even have MS Gothic on this machine. MS Gothic, or whatever it's defaulting to... is ugly! -- I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous! "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Are you using a paragraph or character style? If the latter, you should base it on Default Paragraph Font, and you shouldn't see this issue. If it's a paragraph style, what style is it based on? FWIW, I've never even heard of MS Gothic. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Dax Arroway" wrote in message ... OK, this is driving me friggen nuts! I'm hoping someone can please help. I have a form (Word 03) that I'm trying to use sbarnhill's SytleRef trick with. The Useful StyleRef tricks page is: http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/S....htm#FormField because I want to insert a Name field (client entered) and Date field (client entered) into the footer. So far so good. I did all of the instructions and everything works --except-- the formatting of the form fields turn from my Normal Style Font (Arial 10pt.) to MS Gothic and I can't figure out why or how to fix it. I've tried switching the Style Type to Paragraph and it still changes to MS Gothic when the style is applied to the form field. I tried deleting it and reformatting it by entering Arial into the Formatting field ofthe New Style dialog--still MS Gothic. And it gets weirder! If I insert a form field, just a normal one, and apply the Normal Style to it, it changes to MS Gothic Font even though it was all ready Normal Style in the first place! AAHHHH!! Am I going crazy or what? Does anyone have any clue as to what the heck is happening with this form? Where is the MS Gothic Font coming from? It's not in any of my Styles or Normal.dot. Grrrrr. Would someone kindly tell me where this might be coming from? 'Cause I'm about to through my monitor out the window! I know that won't fix my problem but it sure would feel good! I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking about! Anyway, if any Gurus out there could please come to my rescue, I sure would appreciate it. Much much thanks in advance! Best, Dax -- I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous! |
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I could upload the file to my server and post a link to it if that's helpful.
Here, just in case, I'll upload it to: http://www.awablue.com/506xTransferSummary.dot If that at all helps. -- I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous! "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Are you using a paragraph or character style? If the latter, you should base it on Default Paragraph Font, and you shouldn't see this issue. If it's a paragraph style, what style is it based on? FWIW, I've never even heard of MS Gothic. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Dax Arroway" wrote in message ... OK, this is driving me friggen nuts! I'm hoping someone can please help. I have a form (Word 03) that I'm trying to use sbarnhill's SytleRef trick with. The Useful StyleRef tricks page is: http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/S....htm#FormField because I want to insert a Name field (client entered) and Date field (client entered) into the footer. So far so good. I did all of the instructions and everything works --except-- the formatting of the form fields turn from my Normal Style Font (Arial 10pt.) to MS Gothic and I can't figure out why or how to fix it. I've tried switching the Style Type to Paragraph and it still changes to MS Gothic when the style is applied to the form field. I tried deleting it and reformatting it by entering Arial into the Formatting field ofthe New Style dialog--still MS Gothic. And it gets weirder! If I insert a form field, just a normal one, and apply the Normal Style to it, it changes to MS Gothic Font even though it was all ready Normal Style in the first place! AAHHHH!! Am I going crazy or what? Does anyone have any clue as to what the heck is happening with this form? Where is the MS Gothic Font coming from? It's not in any of my Styles or Normal.dot. Grrrrr. Would someone kindly tell me where this might be coming from? 'Cause I'm about to through my monitor out the window! I know that won't fix my problem but it sure would feel good! I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking about! Anyway, if any Gurus out there could please come to my rescue, I sure would appreciate it. Much much thanks in advance! Best, Dax -- I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous! |
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