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In Word 2003, the spacing between paragraphs seems to be the sum of
the the following:
* The spacing after the preceding paragrapph
* The spacing before the next paragraph

Instead summing the two figures, is there a way to specify that the
*minimum* spacing after a paragraph, or the *minimum* spacing before a
paragraph? For example, if the space-after for the last paragraph is
less then the space-before the next paragraph, then the space-before
the next paragraph is used. But the two are not added.

This seems like it would make much more sense than the current summing
that is used. For example, for a bullet style paragraph, I know how
much space I need between bullets, which I can set as the space-before
the bullet style. However, the first bullet after a Heading 1 may
need more space, as dictated by the space-after for the Heading 1
style. I wouldn't want to add the two, because the space-before the
first bullet is immaterial in this situation.
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Why wouldn't you use Space After for spacing your bullet items?

Also: How did you post this query? I'm seeing it in the newsgroup (via
google groups), and there have been no postings here in the last four
days -- apparently Microsoft finally made good on their threat to
sever their help assistance from the newsgroups available to the rest
of the world.

On Jun 11, 1:25*pm, Paul wrote:
In Word 2003, the spacing between paragraphs seems to be the sum of
the the following:
** The spacing after the preceding paragrapph
** The spacing before the next paragraph

Instead summing the two figures, is there a way to specify that the
*minimum* spacing after a paragraph, or the *minimum* spacing before a
paragraph? *For example, if the space-after for the last paragraph is
less then the space-before the next paragraph, then the space-before
the next paragraph is used. But the two are not added.

This seems like it would make much more sense than the current summing
that is used. *For example, for a bullet style paragraph, I know how
much space I need between bullets, which I can set as the space-before
the bullet style. *However, the first bullet after a Heading 1 may
need more space, as dictated by the space-after for the Heading 1
style. *I wouldn't want to add the two, because the space-before the
first bullet is immaterial in this situation.


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By default, recent versions of Word set the distance between two paragraphs to
whichever value of Spacing After and Spacing Before is the larger one. This can
be controlled via the compatibility option called "Don't use HTML paragraph auto
spacing" in Tools | Options, Compatibility tab. If the option is *cleared*, Word
sums the two distances.

There is also an option (in the Modify Style dialog box, click Format,
Paragraph) called "Don't add space between paragraphs of the same style" that is
relevant in this context.

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"Paul" wrote in message
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In Word 2003, the spacing between paragraphs seems to be the sum of
the the following:
* The spacing after the preceding paragrapph
* The spacing before the next paragraph

Instead summing the two figures, is there a way to specify that the
*minimum* spacing after a paragraph, or the *minimum* spacing before a
paragraph? For example, if the space-after for the last paragraph is
less then the space-before the next paragraph, then the space-before
the next paragraph is used. But the two are not added.

This seems like it would make much more sense than the current summing
that is used. For example, for a bullet style paragraph, I know how
much space I need between bullets, which I can set as the space-before
the bullet style. However, the first bullet after a Heading 1 may
need more space, as dictated by the space-after for the Heading 1
style. I wouldn't want to add the two, because the space-before the
first bullet is immaterial in this situation.




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He's posting through Eternal September, as am I.

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"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message
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Why wouldn't you use Space After for spacing your bullet items?

Also: How did you post this query? I'm seeing it in the newsgroup (via
google groups), and there have been no postings here in the last four
days -- apparently Microsoft finally made good on their threat to
sever their help assistance from the newsgroups available to the rest
of the world.

On Jun 11, 1:25 pm, Paul wrote:
In Word 2003, the spacing between paragraphs seems to be the sum of
the the following:
* The spacing after the preceding paragrapph
* The spacing before the next paragraph

Instead summing the two figures, is there a way to specify that the
*minimum* spacing after a paragraph, or the *minimum* spacing before a
paragraph? For example, if the space-after for the last paragraph is
less then the space-before the next paragraph, then the space-before
the next paragraph is used. But the two are not added.

This seems like it would make much more sense than the current summing
that is used. For example, for a bullet style paragraph, I know how
much space I need between bullets, which I can set as the space-before
the bullet style. However, the first bullet after a Heading 1 may
need more space, as dictated by the space-after for the Heading 1
style. I wouldn't want to add the two, because the space-before the
first bullet is immaterial in this situation.



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As far as Microsoft is concerned the Word groups are gone and removed from
their server. They should remain available via Google Groups and probably a
number of other web portals, but if you wish to access via a news server,
you will need an account with an alternative text based news server. Your
ISP may provide a news feed, or you can use a third party one such as
eternal-september.org or albasani.net - http://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm

If you want to stick with Microsoft there is a new Answers forum, which has
so far done nothing but disappoint - though I suppose Microsoft may get it
right one day You can post to that with newsreading software by using a
bridge such as that at http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/ or directly via
the forum
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/...ory/officeword

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message
...
Why wouldn't you use Space After for spacing your bullet items?

Also: How did you post this query? I'm seeing it in the newsgroup (via
google groups), and there have been no postings here in the last four
days -- apparently Microsoft finally made good on their threat to
sever their help assistance from the newsgroups available to the rest
of the world.

On Jun 11, 1:25 pm, Paul wrote:
In Word 2003, the spacing between paragraphs seems to be the sum of
the the following:
* The spacing after the preceding paragrapph
* The spacing before the next paragraph

Instead summing the two figures, is there a way to specify that the
*minimum* spacing after a paragraph, or the *minimum* spacing before a
paragraph? For example, if the space-after for the last paragraph is
less then the space-before the next paragraph, then the space-before
the next paragraph is used. But the two are not added.

This seems like it would make much more sense than the current summing
that is used. For example, for a bullet style paragraph, I know how
much space I need between bullets, which I can set as the space-before
the bullet style. However, the first bullet after a Heading 1 may
need more space, as dictated by the space-after for the Heading 1
style. I wouldn't want to add the two, because the space-before the
first bullet is immaterial in this situation.





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I've been using google groups since my second posting (having somehow
discovered that the place I asked my question at MS was somehow a
newsgroup), so there's no question of sticking with MS!

On Jun 12, 4:06*am, "Graham Mayor" wrote:
As far as Microsoft is concerned the Word groups are gone and removed from
their server. They should remain available via Google Groups and probably a
number of other web portals, but if you wish to access via a news server,
you will need an account with an alternative text based news server. Your
ISP may provide a news feed, or you can use a third party one such as
eternal-september.org or albasani.net -http://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm

If you want to stick with Microsoft there is a new Answers forum, which has
so far done nothing but disappoint - though I suppose Microsoft may get it
right one day You can post to that with newsreading software by using a
bridge such as that athttp://communitybridge.codeplex.com/or directly via
the forumhttp://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/officeword

--

Graham Mayor - *Word MVP

My web sitewww.gmayor.com
Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org


"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in ...
Why wouldn't you use Space After for spacing your bullet items?

Also: How did you post this query? I'm seeing it in the newsgroup (via
google groups), and there have been no postings here in the last four
days -- apparently Microsoft finally made good on their threat to
sever their help assistance from the newsgroups available to the rest
of the world.

On Jun 11, 1:25 pm, Paul wrote:



In Word 2003, the spacing between paragraphs seems to be the sum of
the the following:
* The spacing after the preceding paragrapph
* The spacing before the next paragraph


Instead summing the two figures, is there a way to specify that the
*minimum* spacing after a paragraph, or the *minimum* spacing before a
paragraph? For example, if the space-after for the last paragraph is
less then the space-before the next paragraph, then the space-before
the next paragraph is used. But the two are not added.


This seems like it would make much more sense than the current summing
that is used. For example, for a bullet style paragraph, I know how
much space I need between bullets, which I can set as the space-before
the bullet style. However, the first bullet after a Heading 1 may
need more space, as dictated by the space-after for the Heading 1
style. I wouldn't want to add the two, because the space-before the
first bullet is immaterial in this situation.-

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The new MS Answers forums are definitely not newsgroups.
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/...ory/officeword

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"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message
...
I've been using google groups since my second posting (having somehow
discovered that the place I asked my question at MS was somehow a
newsgroup), so there's no question of sticking with MS!

On Jun 12, 4:06 am, "Graham Mayor" wrote:
As far as Microsoft is concerned the Word groups are gone and removed from
their server. They should remain available via Google Groups and probably
a
number of other web portals, but if you wish to access via a news server,
you will need an account with an alternative text based news server. Your
ISP may provide a news feed, or you can use a third party one such as
eternal-september.org or albasani.net -http://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm

If you want to stick with Microsoft there is a new Answers forum, which
has
so far done nothing but disappoint - though I suppose Microsoft may get it
right one day You can post to that with newsreading software by using a
bridge such as that athttp://communitybridge.codeplex.com/or directly via
the
forumhttp://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/officeword

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web sitewww.gmayor.com
Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org


"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in
...
Why wouldn't you use Space After for spacing your bullet items?

Also: How did you post this query? I'm seeing it in the newsgroup (via
google groups), and there have been no postings here in the last four
days -- apparently Microsoft finally made good on their threat to
sever their help assistance from the newsgroups available to the rest
of the world.

On Jun 11, 1:25 pm, Paul wrote:



In Word 2003, the spacing between paragraphs seems to be the sum of
the the following:
* The spacing after the preceding paragrapph
* The spacing before the next paragraph


Instead summing the two figures, is there a way to specify that the
*minimum* spacing after a paragraph, or the *minimum* spacing before a
paragraph? For example, if the space-after for the last paragraph is
less then the space-before the next paragraph, then the space-before
the next paragraph is used. But the two are not added.


This seems like it would make much more sense than the current summing
that is used. For example, for a bullet style paragraph, I know how
much space I need between bullets, which I can set as the space-before
the bullet style. However, the first bullet after a Heading 1 may
need more space, as dictated by the space-after for the Heading 1
style. I wouldn't want to add the two, because the space-before the
first bullet is immaterial in this situation.-



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You said it's "done nothing but disappoint."

On Jun 12, 8:51*am, "Graham Mayor" wrote:
The new MS Answers forums are definitely not newsgroups.http://social.answers.microsoft.com/...ory/officeword

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My web sitewww.gmayor.com
Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org


"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in ...
I've been using google groups since my second posting (having somehow
discovered that the place I asked my question at MS was somehow a
newsgroup), so there's no question of sticking with MS!

On Jun 12, 4:06 am, "Graham Mayor" wrote:



As far as Microsoft is concerned the Word groups are gone and removed from
their server. They should remain available via Google Groups and probably
a
number of other web portals, but if you wish to access via a news server,
you will need an account with an alternative text based news server. Your
ISP may provide a news feed, or you can use a third party one such as
eternal-september.org or albasani.net -http://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm


If you want to stick with Microsoft there is a new Answers forum, which
has
so far done nothing but disappoint - though I suppose Microsoft may get it
right one day You can post to that with newsreading software by using a
bridge such as that athttp://communitybridge.codeplex.com/ordirectly via
the
forumhttp://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/officeword


--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP


My web sitewww.gmayor.com
Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org


"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in
...
Why wouldn't you use Space After for spacing your bullet items?


Also: How did you post this query? I'm seeing it in the newsgroup (via
google groups), and there have been no postings here in the last four
days -- apparently Microsoft finally made good on their threat to
sever their help assistance from the newsgroups available to the rest
of the world.


On Jun 11, 1:25 pm, Paul wrote:


In Word 2003, the spacing between paragraphs seems to be the sum of
the the following:
* The spacing after the preceding paragrapph
* The spacing before the next paragraph


Instead summing the two figures, is there a way to specify that the
*minimum* spacing after a paragraph, or the *minimum* spacing before a
paragraph? For example, if the space-after for the last paragraph is
less then the space-before the next paragraph, then the space-before
the next paragraph is used. But the two are not added.


This seems like it would make much more sense than the current summing
that is used. For example, for a bullet style paragraph, I know how
much space I need between bullets, which I can set as the space-before
the bullet style. However, the first bullet after a Heading 1 may
need more space, as dictated by the space-after for the Heading 1
style. I wouldn't want to add the two, because the space-before the
first bullet is immaterial in this situation.--

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It has certainly disappointed me - but see for yourself. It can only get
better ... and as far as Microsoft discussions are concerned it will become
the only viable game in town.

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My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org



"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message
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You said it's "done nothing but disappoint."

On Jun 12, 8:51 am, "Graham Mayor" wrote:
The new MS Answers forums are definitely not
newsgroups.http://social.answers.microsoft.com/...ory/officeword

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web sitewww.gmayor.com
Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org


"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in
...
I've been using google groups since my second posting (having somehow
discovered that the place I asked my question at MS was somehow a
newsgroup), so there's no question of sticking with MS!

On Jun 12, 4:06 am, "Graham Mayor" wrote:



As far as Microsoft is concerned the Word groups are gone and removed
from
their server. They should remain available via Google Groups and
probably
a
number of other web portals, but if you wish to access via a news
server,
you will need an account with an alternative text based news server.
Your
ISP may provide a news feed, or you can use a third party one such as
eternal-september.org or albasani.net -http://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm


If you want to stick with Microsoft there is a new Answers forum, which
has
so far done nothing but disappoint - though I suppose Microsoft may get
it
right one day You can post to that with newsreading software by using
a
bridge such as that athttp://communitybridge.codeplex.com/ordirectly via
the
forumhttp://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/officeword


--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP


My web sitewww.gmayor.com
Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org


"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in
...
Why wouldn't you use Space After for spacing your bullet items?


Also: How did you post this query? I'm seeing it in the newsgroup (via
google groups), and there have been no postings here in the last four
days -- apparently Microsoft finally made good on their threat to
sever their help assistance from the newsgroups available to the rest
of the world.


On Jun 11, 1:25 pm, Paul wrote:


In Word 2003, the spacing between paragraphs seems to be the sum of
the the following:
* The spacing after the preceding paragrapph
* The spacing before the next paragraph


Instead summing the two figures, is there a way to specify that the
*minimum* spacing after a paragraph, or the *minimum* spacing before a
paragraph? For example, if the space-after for the last paragraph is
less then the space-before the next paragraph, then the space-before
the next paragraph is used. But the two are not added.


This seems like it would make much more sense than the current summing
that is used. For example, for a bullet style paragraph, I know how
much space I need between bullets, which I can set as the space-before
the bullet style. However, the first bullet after a Heading 1 may
need more space, as dictated by the space-after for the Heading 1
style. I wouldn't want to add the two, because the space-before the
first bullet is immaterial in this situation.--



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I'm a big fan of open-type access to groups. So I'm glad to know that
this pseudonewgroup will continue even though M$ doesn't perpetuate it
on their servers.

On Jun 12, 10:23*am, "Graham Mayor" wrote:
It has certainly disappointed me - but see for yourself. It can only get
better ... and as far as Microsoft discussions are concerned it will become
the only viable game in town.

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My web sitewww.gmayor.com
Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org


"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in ...
You said it's "done nothing but disappoint."

On Jun 12, 8:51 am, "Graham Mayor" wrote:



The new MS Answers forums are definitely not
newsgroups.http://social.answers.microsoft.com/...ory/officeword


--

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My web sitewww.gmayor.com
Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org


"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in
...
I've been using google groups since my second posting (having somehow
discovered that the place I asked my question at MS was somehow a
newsgroup), so there's no question of sticking with MS!


On Jun 12, 4:06 am, "Graham Mayor" wrote:


As far as Microsoft is concerned the Word groups are gone and removed
from
their server. They should remain available via Google Groups and
probably
a
number of other web portals, but if you wish to access via a news
server,
you will need an account with an alternative text based news server.
Your
ISP may provide a news feed, or you can use a third party one such as
eternal-september.org or albasani.net -http://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm


If you want to stick with Microsoft there is a new Answers forum, which
has
so far done nothing but disappoint - though I suppose Microsoft may get
it
right one day You can post to that with newsreading software by using
a
bridge such as that athttp://communitybridge.codeplex.com/ordirectlyvia
the
forumhttp://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/officeword


--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP


My web sitewww.gmayor.com
Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org


"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in
...
Why wouldn't you use Space After for spacing your bullet items?


Also: How did you post this query? I'm seeing it in the newsgroup (via
google groups), and there have been no postings here in the last four
days -- apparently Microsoft finally made good on their threat to
sever their help assistance from the newsgroups available to the rest
of the world.


On Jun 11, 1:25 pm, Paul wrote:


In Word 2003, the spacing between paragraphs seems to be the sum of
the the following:
* The spacing after the preceding paragrapph
* The spacing before the next paragraph


Instead summing the two figures, is there a way to specify that the
*minimum* spacing after a paragraph, or the *minimum* spacing before a
paragraph? For example, if the space-after for the last paragraph is
less then the space-before the next paragraph, then the space-before
the next paragraph is used. But the two are not added.


This seems like it would make much more sense than the current summing
that is used. For example, for a bullet style paragraph, I know how
much space I need between bullets, which I can set as the space-before
the bullet style. However, the first bullet after a Heading 1 may
need more space, as dictated by the space-after for the Heading 1
style. I wouldn't want to add the two, because the space-before the
first bullet is immaterial in this situation.---



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Ideally, I can specify space-before and space-after, and Word would
space two paragraphs apart according to the larger of:
* Space-after for preceding paragraph
* Space-before for succeeding paragraph

This way, I get the following:

* If I got (say) a bullet list after a heading 2, I get the
(presumably larger) spacing after the heading 2.

* If I got no spacing before/after normal body paragraphs,
I still get extra bullet spacing before the first bullet and
after the last bullet

* If I got (say) a Heading 2 following a bullet, I still get
the (presumably larger) spacing needed before the
Heading 2.

On Jun 11, 1:59*pm, "Peter T. Daniels" wrote:
Why wouldn't you use Space After for spacing your bullet items?

Also: How did you post this query? I'm seeing it in the newsgroup (via
google groups), and there have been no postings here in the last four
days -- apparently Microsoft finally made good on their threat to
sever their help assistance from the newsgroups available to the rest
of the world.

On Jun 11, 1:25*pm, Paul wrote:



In Word 2003, the spacing between paragraphs seems to be the sum of
the the following:
** The spacing after the preceding paragrapph
** The spacing before the next paragraph


Instead summing the two figures, is there a way to specify that the
*minimum* spacing after a paragraph, or the *minimum* spacing before a
paragraph? *For example, if the space-after for the last paragraph is
less then the space-before the next paragraph, then the space-before
the next paragraph is used. But the two are not added.


This seems like it would make much more sense than the current summing
that is used. *For example, for a bullet style paragraph, I know how
much space I need between bullets, which I can set as the space-before
the bullet style. *However, the first bullet after a Heading 1 may
need more space, as dictated by the space-after for the Heading 1
style. *I wouldn't want to add the two, because the space-before the
first bullet is immaterial in this situation.- Hide quoted text -


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I have "Don't use HTML paragraph auto spacing" checked. That's what's
causing the summing. I cleared the checkbox and it now looks like the
larger of the two distances is being used. Thanks for pointing out
the checkbox!

On Jun 11, 2:21*pm, "Stefan Blom"
wrote:
By default, recent versions of Word set the distance between two paragraphs to
whichever value of Spacing After and Spacing Before is the larger one. This can
be controlled via the compatibility option called "Don't use HTML paragraph auto
spacing" in Tools | Options, Compatibility tab. If the option is *cleared*, Word
sums the two distances.

There is also an option (in the Modify Style dialog box, click Format,
Paragraph) called "Don't add space between paragraphs of the same style" that is
relevant in this context.

--
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Microsoft Word MVP
(Message posted via news.eternal-september.org)

"Paul" wrote in message

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In Word 2003, the spacing between paragraphs seems to be the sum of
the the following:
* The spacing after the preceding paragrapph
* The spacing before the next paragraph


Instead summing the two figures, is there a way to specify that the
*minimum* spacing after a paragraph, or the *minimum* spacing before a
paragraph? *For example, if the space-after for the last paragraph is
less then the space-before the next paragraph, then the space-before
the next paragraph is used. But the two are not added.


This seems like it would make much more sense than the current summing
that is used. *For example, for a bullet style paragraph, I know how
much space I need between bullets, which I can set as the space-before
the bullet style. *However, the first bullet after a Heading 1 may
need more space, as dictated by the space-after for the Heading 1
style. *I wouldn't want to add the two, because the space-before the
first bullet is immaterial in this situation.

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Sorry, I wrote the opposite of what I was thinking! :-(

I meant to write what you have noticed: you have to *select* the option to have
Word sum the values.

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"Paul" wrote in message
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I have "Don't use HTML paragraph auto spacing" checked. That's what's
causing the summing. I cleared the checkbox and it now looks like the
larger of the two distances is being used. Thanks for pointing out
the checkbox!

On Jun 11, 2:21 pm, "Stefan Blom"
wrote:
By default, recent versions of Word set the distance between two paragraphs to
whichever value of Spacing After and Spacing Before is the larger one. This
can
be controlled via the compatibility option called "Don't use HTML paragraph
auto
spacing" in Tools | Options, Compatibility tab. If the option is *cleared*,
Word
sums the two distances.

There is also an option (in the Modify Style dialog box, click Format,
Paragraph) called "Don't add space between paragraphs of the same style" that
is
relevant in this context.

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...



In Word 2003, the spacing between paragraphs seems to be the sum of
the the following:
* The spacing after the preceding paragrapph
* The spacing before the next paragraph


Instead summing the two figures, is there a way to specify that the
*minimum* spacing after a paragraph, or the *minimum* spacing before a
paragraph? For example, if the space-after for the last paragraph is
less then the space-before the next paragraph, then the space-before
the next paragraph is used. But the two are not added.


This seems like it would make much more sense than the current summing
that is used. For example, for a bullet style paragraph, I know how
much space I need between bullets, which I can set as the space-before
the bullet style. However, the first bullet after a Heading 1 may
need more space, as dictated by the space-after for the Heading 1
style. I wouldn't want to add the two, because the space-before the
first bullet is immaterial in this situation.



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On 12 June, 04:14, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
He's posting through Eternal September, as am I.

Hi Suzanne, I have registered with Eternal September (as possibly many
others) but I cannot work out were to go to next, I do not see the
forums like we used to?
Can you help
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Well, you seem to have arrived here. The MS "forums" were always just a
front end for Usenet newsgroups in the microsoft.public hierarchy. If you
download the list of NGs available through Eternal September and search for
"word" (or microsoft.public.word), you'll find them all. I actually had it a
little easier because I just changed the server on my existing OE news
account from msnews to news.eternal-september.org and found that I was
already (still) subscribed to all my NGs, though I did have to reset each
group to get the messages to download.

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On 12 June, 04:14, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
He's posting through Eternal September, as am I.

Hi Suzanne, I have registered with Eternal September (as possibly many
others) but I cannot work out were to go to next, I do not see the
forums like we used to?
Can you help
Many thanks
DeanH




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To add to what Suzanne has said, if you want to see the *forums* in your
newsreader, you must also install an NNTP Bridge. The one that Microsoft offers
is found at http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/, and the one created
by the community can be downloaded from he
http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/.

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On 12 June, 04:14, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
He's posting through Eternal September, as am I.

Hi Suzanne, I have registered with Eternal September (as possibly many
others) but I cannot work out were to go to next, I do not see the
forums like we used to?
Can you help
Many thanks
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Ah, right. I see I probably misunderstood what Dean was asking for.

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"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
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To add to what Suzanne has said, if you want to see the *forums* in your
newsreader, you must also install an NNTP Bridge. The one that Microsoft
offers is found at http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/, and the
one created by the community can be downloaded from he
http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/.

--
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Microsoft Word MVP
(Message posted via news.eternal-september.org)



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On 12 June, 04:14, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
He's posting through Eternal September, as am I.

Hi Suzanne, I have registered with Eternal September (as possibly many
others) but I cannot work out were to go to next, I do not see the
forums like we used to?
Can you help
Many thanks
DeanH





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Only Dean can tell. :-)

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Ah, right. I see I probably misunderstood what Dean was asking for.

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Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
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To add to what Suzanne has said, if you want to see the *forums* in your
newsreader, you must also install an NNTP Bridge. The one that Microsoft
offers is found at http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/, and the one
created by the community can be downloaded from he
http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/.

--
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Microsoft Word MVP
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On 12 June, 04:14, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
He's posting through Eternal September, as am I.

Hi Suzanne, I have registered with Eternal September (as possibly many
others) but I cannot work out were to go to next, I do not see the
forums like we used to?
Can you help
Many thanks
DeanH







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On 22 June, 19:47, "Stefan Blom"
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Only Dean can tell. :-)


Hi Stefan and Suzanne.
I originally posted my question through Google groups, before I was on
the Communities, apologies if my question was ambiguous.
Anyway, I have followed the instructions from the Stefan for the
CommunitiesBridge, downloading and turning on the NNTP Bridge within
the Answers Forum (in two places as instructed).
Should I start seeing postings from the old "communities" appearing in
the Answers forum? Or is there something else I have to do?
As usual, many thanks for the assistance and hopefully see you
around...
:-)
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If by the "old communities" you mean these newsgroups, then the answer is no. To
see the newsgroups in a newsreader, you would have to create a separate account,
such as news.eternal-september.org (which I'm using).

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On 22 June, 19:47, "Stefan Blom"
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Only Dean can tell. :-)


Hi Stefan and Suzanne.
I originally posted my question through Google groups, before I was on
the Communities, apologies if my question was ambiguous.
Anyway, I have followed the instructions from the Stefan for the
CommunitiesBridge, downloading and turning on the NNTP Bridge within
the Answers Forum (in two places as instructed).
Should I start seeing postings from the old "communities" appearing in
the Answers forum? Or is there something else I have to do?
As usual, many thanks for the assistance and hopefully see you
around...
:-)
DeanH






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On 23 June, 10:08, "Stefan Blom"
wrote:
If by the "old communities" you mean these newsgroups, then the answer is no. To
see the newsgroups in a newsreader, you would have to create a separate account,
such as news.eternal-september.org (which I'm using).

Hi Stefan.
This is back to my first posting.
I have registered at eternal-september but I do not see any news group
to see postings, I see the News Portal that does not include the
newsgroups I am looking for (and is in a awful format). I do see the
newsgroups under the Hierarchies but cannot use them in any way.

Do I need the NNTP Bridge then, either the MS one or the Communities
Forum one that I have installed but does not seem to do anything. Have
I missed something very simple?

Again, I am responding from Google Groups.
Thanks
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You don't need the bridge to access the newsgroups. The bridge is required
to make the new answers forum available to a newsreader. You need to setup
your newsreader to access Eternal September or whatever other news server
your require. For Outlook Express you can see how to do that at
http://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm. For other newsreaders the principles are
similar though the dialogs will be different.

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On 23 June, 10:08, "Stefan Blom"
wrote:
If by the "old communities" you mean these newsgroups, then the answer is
no. To
see the newsgroups in a newsreader, you would have to create a separate
account,
such as news.eternal-september.org (which I'm using).

Hi Stefan.
This is back to my first posting.
I have registered at eternal-september but I do not see any news group
to see postings, I see the News Portal that does not include the
newsgroups I am looking for (and is in a awful format). I do see the
newsgroups under the Hierarchies but cannot use them in any way.

Do I need the NNTP Bridge then, either the MS one or the Communities
Forum one that I have installed but does not seem to do anything. Have
I missed something very simple?

Again, I am responding from Google Groups.
Thanks
DeanH



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We seem to be going around in circles here... :-)

In your newsreader, make sure that you have specified your account name and
password. You should then be able to refresh the newsgroup list and find the
Microsoft newsgroups.

These are the exact steps in Outlook Express: In the Folders pane, right-click
the news.eternal-september.org account and choose Properties from the context
menu. On the Server tab, select "This server requires me to log on" and then
enter your account name and password. On the Advanced tab, use 119 for "Server
port number" (this is the default). When you have configured the account
properly, click Apply and OK. In the right pane, click Newsgroups. Click Reset
List to download all the groups. Subscribe to the ones that you want. Click OK.

If you are using Windows Mail, the steps may not be exactly the same, but they
should be almost the same.

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On 23 June, 10:08, "Stefan Blom"
wrote:
If by the "old communities" you mean these newsgroups, then the answer is no.
To
see the newsgroups in a newsreader, you would have to create a separate
account,
such as news.eternal-september.org (which I'm using).

Hi Stefan.
This is back to my first posting.
I have registered at eternal-september but I do not see any news group
to see postings, I see the News Portal that does not include the
newsgroups I am looking for (and is in a awful format). I do see the
newsgroups under the Hierarchies but cannot use them in any way.

Do I need the NNTP Bridge then, either the MS one or the Communities
Forum one that I have installed but does not seem to do anything. Have
I missed something very simple?

Again, I am responding from Google Groups.
Thanks
DeanH




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On 23 June, 10:38, "Graham Mayor" wrote:
You don't need the bridge to access the newsgroups. The bridge is required
to make the new answers forum available to a newsreader. You need to setup
your newsreader to access Eternal September or whatever other news server
your require. For Outlook Express you can see how to do that athttp://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm. For other newsreaders the principles are
similar though the dialogs will be different.

Graham and Stefan.
Ah, now I see the problem, I don't have a Newsreader installed. I
thought that Eternal-September was a news-reader.
Outlook Express and MS Mail are blocked by my corporate protocol.
Are there any others that 'could' work?
Thanks
DeanH

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There are others, but I suspect that they would be blocked by the same
corporate protocol that prevents you from using Outlook Express or LiveMail.
e.g. Mozilla Thunderbird and Forte Agent

"DeanH" wrote in message
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On 23 June, 10:38, "Graham Mayor" wrote:
You don't need the bridge to access the newsgroups. The bridge is
required
to make the new answers forum available to a newsreader. You need to
setup
your newsreader to access Eternal September or whatever other news server
your require. For Outlook Express you can see how to do that
athttp://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm. For other newsreaders the principles
are
similar though the dialogs will be different.

Graham and Stefan.
Ah, now I see the problem, I don't have a Newsreader installed. I
thought that Eternal-September was a news-reader.
Outlook Express and MS Mail are blocked by my corporate protocol.
Are there any others that 'could' work?
Thanks
DeanH



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