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Life without Section Breaks?
Good Morning,
Working in '03. Trying to build a fresh template for a document that has been re-invented so many times it looks like, well I don't know what it looks like. Having trouble keeping the headers and page numbering fluid/consecutive across section breaks, so was considering trying to build the document just using page breaks (control + enter) instead. The problem: Text is formatted into two columns, graphics as one column (entire page width). When I highlight text and format to two columns, automatically plcaes a section break. Entire document will likely only be 10-12 pages, but will serve as a template for an ongoing monthly report (so obviously want to be able to change the month in the header on page one and not have to change others in different sections). Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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Life without Section Breaks?
Section breaks are required if you change the number of columns, as columns
are a section property. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Office User" wrote in message news Good Morning, Working in '03. Trying to build a fresh template for a document that has been re-invented so many times it looks like, well I don't know what it looks like. Having trouble keeping the headers and page numbering fluid/consecutive across section breaks, so was considering trying to build the document just using page breaks (control + enter) instead. The problem: Text is formatted into two columns, graphics as one column (entire page width). When I highlight text and format to two columns, automatically plcaes a section break. Entire document will likely only be 10-12 pages, but will serve as a template for an ongoing monthly report (so obviously want to be able to change the month in the header on page one and not have to change others in different sections). Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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CyberTaz, what you say is only true for simple documents. Header/footer
behavior is complicated and difficult to troubleshoot in complex documents unless you know quite a lot about them. If you have front matter that has no or different header/footers, then the first main content section header/footers will likely be changed to unlink it from the front matter header/footer and they may be set for different first page. A new section after that will duplicate the settings of the first main section, including page number settings. If the new section is a continuous section break that does not cross pages, you may only see its effect on later pages. These things can result in restarted page numbers, duplicate page numbers, wrong text or text placement, and so forth. They are often not noticed until the document is nearly ready for printing. Been there. Office User, you can learn more about headers and footers he http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/HeaderFooter.htm The key is to know what to check for (link to previous, header/footer type, and page number setting) to either prevent problems or fix them. Pam CyberTaz wrote: Additional to Suzanne's reply: There's no reason the same header can't run continuously through the entire document regardless of the number of sections. In fact, that's the default behavior. IOW, section breaks simply allow the change, they don't require it as long as the properties are correctly specified. Regards |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 6/1/10 11:41 AM, in article , "Office User" wrote: Good Morning, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Message posted via http://www.officekb.com |
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But, by default, as you create new sections, headers (footers) will be linked to
their respective "neighbors" in the preceding sections. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP (Message posted via msnews.microsoft.com) "Pamelia Caswell via OfficeKB.com" u43222@uwe wrote in message news:a8e4abf464b4a@uwe... CyberTaz, what you say is only true for simple documents. Header/footer behavior is complicated and difficult to troubleshoot in complex documents unless you know quite a lot about them. If you have front matter that has no or different header/footers, then the first main content section header/footers will likely be changed to unlink it from the front matter header/footer and they may be set for different first page. A new section after that will duplicate the settings of the first main section, including page number settings. If the new section is a continuous section break that does not cross pages, you may only see its effect on later pages. These things can result in restarted page numbers, duplicate page numbers, wrong text or text placement, and so forth. They are often not noticed until the document is nearly ready for printing. Been there. Office User, you can learn more about headers and footers he http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/HeaderFooter.htm The key is to know what to check for (link to previous, header/footer type, and page number setting) to either prevent problems or fix them. Pam CyberTaz wrote: Additional to Suzanne's reply: There's no reason the same header can't run continuously through the entire document regardless of the number of sections. In fact, that's the default behavior. IOW, section breaks simply allow the change, they don't require it as long as the properties are correctly specified. Regards |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 6/1/10 11:41 AM, in article , "Office User" wrote: Good Morning, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Message posted via http://www.officekb.com |
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What, exactly, of what I wrote is 'untrue'?
Have you any idea how many "if"s & conditional statements you've included in this contradiction, Pam? There's absolutely no indication in Office User's description that *any* of those complexities are wanted or needed. In fact, the desire to keep the document "simple" is the point - That's exactly what the OP is striving for as indicated in the statement "Having trouble keeping the headers and page numbering fluid/consecutive across section breaks". The subject document is a 10-12 page report, not a 500 page technical manual. Complexity is imposed by a user deviating from the defaults... Often unnecessarily. Regards |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 6/1/10 5:22 PM, in article a8e4abf464b4a@uwe, "Pamelia Caswell via OfficeKB.com" u43222@uwe wrote: CyberTaz, what you say is only true for simple documents. Header/footer behavior is complicated and difficult to troubleshoot in complex documents unless you know quite a lot about them. If you have front matter that has no or different header/footers, then the first main content section header/footers will likely be changed to unlink it from the front matter header/footer and they may be set for different first page. A new section after that will duplicate the settings of the first main section, including page number settings. If the new section is a continuous section break that does not cross pages, you may only see its effect on later pages. These things can result in restarted page numbers, duplicate page numbers, wrong text or text placement, and so forth. They are often not noticed until the document is nearly ready for printing. Been there. Office User, you can learn more about headers and footers he http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/HeaderFooter.htm The key is to know what to check for (link to previous, header/footer type, and page number setting) to either prevent problems or fix them. Pam CyberTaz wrote: Additional to Suzanne's reply: There's no reason the same header can't run continuously through the entire document regardless of the number of sections. In fact, that's the default behavior. IOW, section breaks simply allow the change, they don't require it as long as the properties are correctly specified. Regards |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 6/1/10 11:41 AM, in article , "Office User" wrote: Good Morning, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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I wrote "what you say is only true for simple documents". Not that what you
said was untrue. Office User said "Having trouble keeping the headers and page numbering fluid/consecutive across section breaks" and explained that he has double and single column sections. Okay, I inferred that some of the sections are continuous. I often have to fix such documents. The clients haven't a clue. Pam CyberTaz wrote: What, exactly, of what I wrote is 'untrue'? Have you any idea how many "if"s & conditional statements you've included in this contradiction, Pam? There's absolutely no indication in Office User's description that *any* of those complexities are wanted or needed. In fact, the desire to keep the document "simple" is the point - That's exactly what the OP is striving for as indicated in the statement "Having trouble keeping the headers and page numbering fluid/consecutive across section breaks". The subject document is a 10-12 page report, not a 500 page technical manual. Complexity is imposed by a user deviating from the defaults... Often unnecessarily. Regards |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 6/1/10 5:22 PM, in article a8e4abf464b4a@uwe, "Pamelia Caswell via OfficeKB.com" u43222@uwe wrote: CyberTaz, what you say is only true for simple documents. Header/footer behavior is complicated and difficult to troubleshoot in complex documents [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Message posted via http://www.officekb.com |
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I'm sorry, but as I understand the English language, if something is
categorized as only true under certain conditions it is implicitly false under any other conditions. Perhaps we can debate what constitutes a "complex" vs. "simple" document, but in the context of the thread it would still be subjective as to where the document in question might fall. The fact remains, though, that the imposition of Continuous section breaks -- or any other type -- neither inherently disrupts the continuity of Headers or Footers, nor interferes with page numbering. Further, it makes absolutely no difference whether the CSBs span a single empty paragraph or multiple pages... or even whether there are several CSBs on a single page. I don't doubt that you may have had to "fix such documents", but it isn't the fault of the section breaks that the documents needed fixing. It's how the sections were mangled that caused the breakage. Regards |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 6/2/10 3:20 PM, in article a8f02e1f70c60@uwe, "Pamelia Caswell via OfficeKB.com" u43222@uwe wrote: I wrote "what you say is only true for simple documents". Not that what you said was untrue. Office User said "Having trouble keeping the headers and page numbering fluid/consecutive across section breaks" and explained that he has double and single column sections. Okay, I inferred that some of the sections are continuous. I often have to fix such documents. The clients haven't a clue. Pam CyberTaz wrote: What, exactly, of what I wrote is 'untrue'? Have you any idea how many "if"s & conditional statements you've included in this contradiction, Pam? There's absolutely no indication in Office User's description that *any* of those complexities are wanted or needed. In fact, the desire to keep the document "simple" is the point - That's exactly what the OP is striving for as indicated in the statement "Having trouble keeping the headers and page numbering fluid/consecutive across section breaks". The subject document is a 10-12 page report, not a 500 page technical manual. Complexity is imposed by a user deviating from the defaults... Often unnecessarily. Regards |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 6/1/10 5:22 PM, in article a8e4abf464b4a@uwe, "Pamelia Caswell via OfficeKB.com" u43222@uwe wrote: CyberTaz, what you say is only true for simple documents. Header/footer behavior is complicated and difficult to troubleshoot in complex documents [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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Life without Section Breaks?
I'm sorry, but as I understand the English language, if something is
categorized as only true under certain conditions it is implicitly false under any other conditions. Perhaps we can debate what constitutes a "complex" vs. "simple" document, but in the context of the thread it would still be subjective as to where the document in question might fall. The fact remains, though, that the imposition of Continuous section breaks -- or any other type -- neither inherently disrupts the continuity of Headers or Footers, nor interferes with page numbering. Further, it makes absolutely no difference whether the CSBs span a single empty paragraph or multiple pages... or even whether there are several CSBs on a single page. I don't doubt that you may have had to "fix such documents", but it isn't the fault of the section breaks that the documents needed fixing. It's how the sections were mangled that caused the breakage. Regards |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 6/2/10 3:20 PM, in article a8f02e1f70c60@uwe, "Pamelia Caswell via OfficeKB.com" u43222@uwe wrote: I wrote "what you say is only true for simple documents". Not that what you said was untrue. Office User said "Having trouble keeping the headers and page numbering fluid/consecutive across section breaks" and explained that he has double and single column sections. Okay, I inferred that some of the sections are continuous. I often have to fix such documents. The clients haven't a clue. Pam CyberTaz wrote: What, exactly, of what I wrote is 'untrue'? Have you any idea how many "if"s & conditional statements you've included in this contradiction, Pam? There's absolutely no indication in Office User's description that *any* of those complexities are wanted or needed. In fact, the desire to keep the document "simple" is the point - That's exactly what the OP is striving for as indicated in the statement "Having trouble keeping the headers and page numbering fluid/consecutive across section breaks". The subject document is a 10-12 page report, not a 500 page technical manual. Complexity is imposed by a user deviating from the defaults... Often unnecessarily. Regards |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 6/1/10 5:22 PM, in article a8e4abf464b4a@uwe, "Pamelia Caswell via OfficeKB.com" u43222@uwe wrote: CyberTaz, what you say is only true for simple documents. Header/footer behavior is complicated and difficult to troubleshoot in complex documents [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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I wrote "what you say is only true for simple documents". Not that what you
said was untrue. Office User said "Having trouble keeping the headers and page numbering fluid/consecutive across section breaks" and explained that he has double and single column sections. Okay, I inferred that some of the sections are continuous. I often have to fix such documents. The clients haven't a clue. Pam CyberTaz wrote: What, exactly, of what I wrote is 'untrue'? Have you any idea how many "if"s & conditional statements you've included in this contradiction, Pam? There's absolutely no indication in Office User's description that *any* of those complexities are wanted or needed. In fact, the desire to keep the document "simple" is the point - That's exactly what the OP is striving for as indicated in the statement "Having trouble keeping the headers and page numbering fluid/consecutive across section breaks". The subject document is a 10-12 page report, not a 500 page technical manual. Complexity is imposed by a user deviating from the defaults... Often unnecessarily. Regards |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 6/1/10 5:22 PM, in article a8e4abf464b4a@uwe, "Pamelia Caswell via OfficeKB.com" u43222@uwe wrote: CyberTaz, what you say is only true for simple documents. Header/footer behavior is complicated and difficult to troubleshoot in complex documents [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Message posted via http://www.officekb.com |
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But, by default, as you create new sections, headers (footers) will be linked to their respective "neighbors" in the preceding sections. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP (Message posted via msnews.microsoft.com) "Pamelia Caswell via OfficeKB.com" u43222@uwe wrote in message news:a8e4abf464b4a@uwe... CyberTaz, what you say is only true for simple documents. Header/footer behavior is complicated and difficult to troubleshoot in complex documents unless you know quite a lot about them. If you have front matter that has no or different header/footers, then the first main content section header/footers will likely be changed to unlink it from the front matter header/footer and they may be set for different first page. A new section after that will duplicate the settings of the first main section, including page number settings. If the new section is a continuous section break that does not cross pages, you may only see its effect on later pages. These things can result in restarted page numbers, duplicate page numbers, wrong text or text placement, and so forth. They are often not noticed until the document is nearly ready for printing. Been there. Office User, you can learn more about headers and footers he http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/HeaderFooter.htm The key is to know what to check for (link to previous, header/footer type, and page number setting) to either prevent problems or fix them. Pam CyberTaz wrote: Additional to Suzanne's reply: There's no reason the same header can't run continuously through the entire document regardless of the number of sections. In fact, that's the default behavior. IOW, section breaks simply allow the change, they don't require it as long as the properties are correctly specified. Regards |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 6/1/10 11:41 AM, in article , "Office User" wrote: Good Morning, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Message posted via http://www.officekb.com |
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What, exactly, of what I wrote is 'untrue'? Have you any idea how many "if"s & conditional statements you've included in this contradiction, Pam? There's absolutely no indication in Office User's description that *any* of those complexities are wanted or needed. In fact, the desire to keep the document "simple" is the point - That's exactly what the OP is striving for as indicated in the statement "Having trouble keeping the headers and page numbering fluid/consecutive across section breaks". The subject document is a 10-12 page report, not a 500 page technical manual. Complexity is imposed by a user deviating from the defaults... Often unnecessarily. Regards |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 6/1/10 5:22 PM, in article a8e4abf464b4a@uwe, "Pamelia Caswell via OfficeKB.com" u43222@uwe wrote: CyberTaz, what you say is only true for simple documents. Header/footer behavior is complicated and difficult to troubleshoot in complex documents unless you know quite a lot about them. If you have front matter that has no or different header/footers, then the first main content section header/footers will likely be changed to unlink it from the front matter header/footer and they may be set for different first page. A new section after that will duplicate the settings of the first main section, including page number settings. If the new section is a continuous section break that does not cross pages, you may only see its effect on later pages. These things can result in restarted page numbers, duplicate page numbers, wrong text or text placement, and so forth. They are often not noticed until the document is nearly ready for printing. Been there. Office User, you can learn more about headers and footers he http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/HeaderFooter.htm The key is to know what to check for (link to previous, header/footer type, and page number setting) to either prevent problems or fix them. Pam CyberTaz wrote: Additional to Suzanne's reply: There's no reason the same header can't run continuously through the entire document regardless of the number of sections. In fact, that's the default behavior. IOW, section breaks simply allow the change, they don't require it as long as the properties are correctly specified. Regards |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 6/1/10 11:41 AM, in article , "Office User" wrote: Good Morning, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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CyberTaz, what you say is only true for simple documents. Header/footer
behavior is complicated and difficult to troubleshoot in complex documents unless you know quite a lot about them. If you have front matter that has no or different header/footers, then the first main content section header/footers will likely be changed to unlink it from the front matter header/footer and they may be set for different first page. A new section after that will duplicate the settings of the first main section, including page number settings. If the new section is a continuous section break that does not cross pages, you may only see its effect on later pages. These things can result in restarted page numbers, duplicate page numbers, wrong text or text placement, and so forth. They are often not noticed until the document is nearly ready for printing. Been there. Office User, you can learn more about headers and footers he http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/HeaderFooter.htm The key is to know what to check for (link to previous, header/footer type, and page number setting) to either prevent problems or fix them. Pam CyberTaz wrote: Additional to Suzanne's reply: There's no reason the same header can't run continuously through the entire document regardless of the number of sections. In fact, that's the default behavior. IOW, section breaks simply allow the change, they don't require it as long as the properties are correctly specified. Regards |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 6/1/10 11:41 AM, in article , "Office User" wrote: Good Morning, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Message posted via http://www.officekb.com |
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Section breaks are required if you change the number of columns, as columns are a section property. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Office User" wrote in message news Good Morning, Working in '03. Trying to build a fresh template for a document that has been re-invented so many times it looks like, well I don't know what it looks like. Having trouble keeping the headers and page numbering fluid/consecutive across section breaks, so was considering trying to build the document just using page breaks (control + enter) instead. The problem: Text is formatted into two columns, graphics as one column (entire page width). When I highlight text and format to two columns, automatically plcaes a section break. Entire document will likely only be 10-12 pages, but will serve as a template for an ongoing monthly report (so obviously want to be able to change the month in the header on page one and not have to change others in different sections). Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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Additional to Suzanne's reply: There's no reason the same header can't run continuously through the entire document regardless of the number of sections. In fact, that's the default behavior. IOW, section breaks simply allow the change, they don't require it as long as the properties are correctly specified. Regards |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 6/1/10 11:41 AM, in article , "Office User" wrote: Good Morning, Working in '03. Trying to build a fresh template for a document that has been re-invented so many times it looks like, well I don't know what it looks like. Having trouble keeping the headers and page numbering fluid/consecutive across section breaks, so was considering trying to build the document just using page breaks (control + enter) instead. The problem: Text is formatted into two columns, graphics as one column (entire page width). When I highlight text and format to two columns, automatically plcaes a section break. Entire document will likely only be 10-12 pages, but will serve as a template for an ongoing monthly report (so obviously want to be able to change the month in the header on page one and not have to change others in different sections). Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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