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Heisenberg was right!
You can't look without touching.
Using Word 2003, open a document. Do File:Properties:Statistics. Just LOOK at it. Then do File:Close. Word will ask if you want to save "the changes" you made. |
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Heisenberg was right!
This has always been true in Word AFAIR. The same will be true if you Print
Preview. Both actions cause Word to Update Fields. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Uriel" wrote in message ... You can't look without touching. Using Word 2003, open a document. Do File:Properties:Statistics. Just LOOK at it. Then do File:Close. Word will ask if you want to save "the changes" you made. |
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Heisenberg was right!
Oh.
But it happens even if there are no fields. And even for docs that have fields, shouldn't Word only set its internal "this document has been changed" flag if "update fields" results in at least one field being changed? I always find the "do you want to save changes?" prompt disconcerting when I haven't changed anything. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... This has always been true in Word AFAIR. The same will be true if you Print Preview. Both actions cause Word to Update Fields. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Uriel" wrote in message ... You can't look without touching. Using Word 2003, open a document. Do File:Properties:Statistics. Just LOOK at it. Then do File:Close. Word will ask if you want to save "the changes" you made. |
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Heisenberg was right!
Turn off Smart Tags. Does that help?
-- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Uriel" wrote in message ... You can't look without touching. Using Word 2003, open a document. Do File:Properties:Statistics. Just LOOK at it. Then do File:Close. Word will ask if you want to save "the changes" you made. |
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Heisenberg was right!
The Properties are fields even if they are not present in the document.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Uriel" wrote in message ... Oh. But it happens even if there are no fields. And even for docs that have fields, shouldn't Word only set its internal "this document has been changed" flag if "update fields" results in at least one field being changed? I always find the "do you want to save changes?" prompt disconcerting when I haven't changed anything. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... This has always been true in Word AFAIR. The same will be true if you Preview. Both actions cause Word to Update Fields. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Uriel" wrote in message ... You can't look without touching. Using Word 2003, open a document. Do File:Properties:Statistics. Just LOOK at it. Then do File:Close. Word will ask if you want to save "the changes" you made. |
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Heisenberg was right!
Word asks: "do you want to save changes?"
There are no changes. All I'm saying. Is a document's word-count a "field"? No doubt a fine philosophical debate could be had there. But we don't have to figure out the answer. Regardless, Word shouldn't ask "do you want to save changes?" when there are no changes. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... The Properties are fields even if they are not present in the document. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Uriel" wrote in message ... Oh. But it happens even if there are no fields. And even for docs that have fields, shouldn't Word only set its internal "this document has been changed" flag if "update fields" results in at least one field being changed? I always find the "do you want to save changes?" prompt disconcerting when I haven't changed anything. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... This has always been true in Word AFAIR. The same will be true if you Preview. Both actions cause Word to Update Fields. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Uriel" wrote in message ... You can't look without touching. Using Word 2003, open a document. Do File:Properties:Statistics. Just LOOK at it. Then do File:Close. Word will ask if you want to save "the changes" you made. |
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Heisenberg was right!
Try what I said with smart tags off.
"Charles Kenyon" wrote in message ... Turn off Smart Tags. Does that help? -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Uriel" wrote in message ... You can't look without touching. Using Word 2003, open a document. Do File:Properties:Statistics. Just LOOK at it. Then do File:Close. Word will ask if you want to save "the changes" you made. |
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Heisenberg was right!
There are a number of things that Word sees as changes (i.e. the document file you open is not going to be byte for byte the same when you close it). It may not be you making the change but the file may have been changed. File=Properties, such as last printed date. Active Smart Tags in Autocorrect options Automatic Spell /grammar/ formatting consistency checking being active. Add-ins that load/run when Word or a document does so. The document contains links to data The document contains fields that link to data The document contains fields that update (including the date field) If you open a new, blank document in Word save it, close it then close Word, reopen it then reopen the saved document then close it again do you get the prompt? ========= "Uriel" wrote in message ... Word asks: "do you want to save changes?" There are no changes. All I'm saying. Is a document's word-count a "field"? No doubt a fine philosophical debate could be had there. But we don't have to figure out the answer. Regardless, Word shouldn't ask "do you want to save changes?" when there are no changes. -- Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office System Products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends* |
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Heisenberg was right!
If you open a new, blank document in Word save it, close it then close
Word, reopen it then reopen the saved document then close it again do you get the prompt? No. File=Properties, such as last printed date. Well, fair enough, if you've printed and the doc contains a changed last-print-date, that's a change. Add-ins, if they make changes, cause changes. So fine. The date field -- sure, IF it's been updated, then that's a change. Some of your other examples I don't really know about. (Don't use smart tags, data links.) But what's difficult about the principle here? A change is a change. Not-a-change is not a change. "Bob Buckland ?:-)" 75214.226(At Beautiful Downtown)compuserve.com wrote in message ... There are a number of things that Word sees as changes (i.e. the document file you open is not going to be byte for byte the same when you close it). It may not be you making the change but the file may have been changed. File=Properties, such as last printed date. Active Smart Tags in Autocorrect options Automatic Spell /grammar/ formatting consistency checking being active. Add-ins that load/run when Word or a document does so. The document contains links to data The document contains fields that link to data The document contains fields that update (including the date field) If you open a new, blank document in Word save it, close it then close Word, reopen it then reopen the saved document then close it again do you get the prompt? ========= "Uriel" wrote in message ... Word asks: "do you want to save changes?" There are no changes. All I'm saying. Is a document's word-count a "field"? No doubt a fine philosophical debate could be had there. But we don't have to figure out the answer. Regardless, Word shouldn't ask "do you want to save changes?" when there are no changes. -- Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office System Products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends* |
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Heisenberg was right!
Hi Uriel,
As you mention, change-is-change. As you did not get the change prompt on a blank document - a guess, not being able to see your documents obviously g) would be that one of your documents where you do get that prompt may contain a date (Insert=Date with the update choice checked) or other data that is changed by the computer, not necessarily by you. The problem is going to be that the add-ins, for example, don't always announce themselves as far as what changed. If you have a specific document where you're seeing this behavior you can try a couple of things. 1. Start Word in Office safe mode (hold ctrl key when starting Word) then use File=Open to open that 'changing' file then close it without doing anything else. Still getting the prompt? Then probably not an add-in as safe mode is supposed to keep them from running on startup. 2. With the 'changing file' open use Alt+F9 to display many of the 'field codes' within the document to see if there is one there. A date field for example can be formatted to *show* time, not just date, but the field updates based on its capabilities usually not just the chosen display format. Smart Tags are one of those 'built in features' in Word 2003 They try to find things like addresses or contact names in your documents and mark the document to show that they may be linked to more information (phone number etc). You can turn them off in Tools=Autocorrect Optins and Tools=Options ======= "Uriel" wrote in message ... Well, fair enough, if you've printed and the doc contains a changed last-print-date, that's a change. Add-ins, if they make changes, cause changes. So fine. The date field -- sure, IF it's been updated, then that's a change. Some of your other examples I don't really know about. (Don't use smart tags, data links.) But what's difficult about the principle here? A change is a change. Not-a-change is not a change. -- Let us know if this helped you, Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office System Products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends* For Everyday MS Office tips to "use right away" - http://microsoft.com/events/series/a...andtricks.mspx |
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Heisenberg was right!
Bob, I don't think you've been following this thread from the beginning.
What Uriel said is that when you open a file and look at the Statistics page of File | Properties, you will be prompted to save the document on closing. This is certainly true, and it results from Word having to recalculate the word count, check the SaveDate and PrintDate, and so on. Even if nothing is really changed, Word doesn't necessarily know that. But the original post has nothing to do with anything else that can result in a "change" in the file. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Bob Buckland ?:-)" 75214.226(At Beautiful Downtown)compuserve.com wrote in message ... Hi Uriel, As you mention, change-is-change. As you did not get the change prompt on a blank document - a guess, not being able to see your documents obviously g) would be that one of your documents where you do get that prompt may contain a date (Insert=Date with the update choice checked) or other data that is changed by the computer, not necessarily by you. The problem is going to be that the add-ins, for example, don't always announce themselves as far as what changed. If you have a specific document where you're seeing this behavior you can try a couple of things. 1. Start Word in Office safe mode (hold ctrl key when starting Word) then use File=Open to open that 'changing' file then close it without doing anything else. Still getting the prompt? Then probably not an add-in as safe mode is supposed to keep them from running on startup. 2. With the 'changing file' open use Alt+F9 to display many of the 'field codes' within the document to see if there is one there. A date field for example can be formatted to *show* time, not just date, but the field updates based on its capabilities usually not just the chosen display format. Smart Tags are one of those 'built in features' in Word 2003 They try to find things like addresses or contact names in your documents and mark the document to show that they may be linked to more information (phone number etc). You can turn them off in Tools=Autocorrect Optins and Tools=Options ======= "Uriel" wrote in message ... Well, fair enough, if you've printed and the doc contains a changed last-print-date, that's a change. Add-ins, if they make changes, cause changes. So fine. The date field -- sure, IF it's been updated, then that's a change. Some of your other examples I don't really know about. (Don't use smart tags, data links.) But what's difficult about the principle here? A change is a change. Not-a-change is not a change. -- Let us know if this helped you, Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office System Products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends* For Everyday MS Office tips to "use right away" - http://microsoft.com/events/series/a...andtricks.mspx |
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Heisenberg was right!
Thank you Suzanne.
I'd just demur at "Word doesn't necessarily know that." "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Bob, I don't think you've been following this thread from the beginning. What Uriel said is that when you open a file and look at the Statistics page of File | Properties, you will be prompted to save the document on closing. This is certainly true, and it results from Word having to recalculate the word count, check the SaveDate and PrintDate, and so on. Even if nothing is really changed, Word doesn't necessarily know that. But the original post has nothing to do with anything else that can result in a "change" in the file. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Bob Buckland ?:-)" 75214.226(At Beautiful Downtown)compuserve.com wrote in message ... Hi Uriel, As you mention, change-is-change. As you did not get the change prompt on a blank document - a guess, not being able to see your documents obviously g) would be that one of your documents where you do get that prompt may contain a date (Insert=Date with the update choice checked) or other data that is changed by the computer, not necessarily by you. The problem is going to be that the add-ins, for example, don't always announce themselves as far as what changed. If you have a specific document where you're seeing this behavior you can try a couple of things. 1. Start Word in Office safe mode (hold ctrl key when starting Word) then use File=Open to open that 'changing' file then close it without doing anything else. Still getting the prompt? Then probably not an add-in as safe mode is supposed to keep them from running on startup. 2. With the 'changing file' open use Alt+F9 to display many of the 'field codes' within the document to see if there is one there. A date field for example can be formatted to *show* time, not just date, but the field updates based on its capabilities usually not just the chosen display format. Smart Tags are one of those 'built in features' in Word 2003 They try to find things like addresses or contact names in your documents and mark the document to show that they may be linked to more information (phone number etc). You can turn them off in Tools=Autocorrect Optins and Tools=Options ======= "Uriel" wrote in message ... Well, fair enough, if you've printed and the doc contains a changed last-print-date, that's a change. Add-ins, if they make changes, cause changes. So fine. The date field -- sure, IF it's been updated, then that's a change. Some of your other examples I don't really know about. (Don't use smart tags, data links.) But what's difficult about the principle here? A change is a change. Not-a-change is not a change. -- Let us know if this helped you, Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office System Products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends* For Everyday MS Office tips to "use right away" - http://microsoft.com/events/series/a...andtricks.mspx |
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Heisenberg was right!
You are right. I know that Smart Tags are one of the things that trigger
this prompt. Apparently looking at document statitstics in an unprotected document is another, as are fields that update. (In a document protected for forms, looking at statitistics and cancelling does not trigger the prompt.) -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Uriel" wrote in message ... Try what I said with smart tags off. "Charles Kenyon" wrote in message ... Turn off Smart Tags. Does that help? -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Uriel" wrote in message ... You can't look without touching. Using Word 2003, open a document. Do File:Properties:Statistics. Just LOOK at it. Then do File:Close. Word will ask if you want to save "the changes" you made. |