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i have been making a procedures manual and I have noticed that when i put in
a hard page break (because i don't want a table to split acorss a page) a little black box stays on the previous page and it interferes with the location of the first line of text on the new page. I am getting uneven tops of pages depending on whether there is a page break on the page before. It is slight but it is annoying. Can anyone help? Yve |
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Paragraph formatting could help you. Format a paragraph in the top row of
the table to Page Break Before (or you could use Keep With Next, depending on the specifics of your situation). I have had success formatting any paragraph in the top row (or adding Page Break Before to a style that I use only in the top row), but I have read postings from people who say to format all of the paragraphs in the top row. In any case, I usually have better results when I can avoid the manual page break. "Yve Ke" wrote in message ... i have been making a procedures manual and I have noticed that when i put in a hard page break (because i don't want a table to split acorss a page) a little black box stays on the previous page and it interferes with the location of the first line of text on the new page. I am getting uneven tops of pages depending on whether there is a page break on the page before. It is slight but it is annoying. Can anyone help? Yve |
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If you insert a manual page break, you (a) split the table (which prevents
any heading rows from repeating) and (b) inserts an empty paragraph above the table on the second page. To avoid both results, instead select the row you want to be at the top of the second page and format it as "Page break before" (Line and Page Breaks tab of Format | Paragraph). Unless you're absolutely positive you always want a page break just there, it's better to keep rows together using "Keep with next" formatting. See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFm...ksInTables.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Yve Ke" wrote in message ... i have been making a procedures manual and I have noticed that when i put in a hard page break (because i don't want a table to split acorss a page) a little black box stays on the previous page and it interferes with the location of the first line of text on the new page. I am getting uneven tops of pages depending on whether there is a page break on the page before. It is slight but it is annoying. Can anyone help? Yve |
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Thank you that was very helpful. I have removed all manual pagebreaks and
changed the format like you said. BUT i still notice that when i flick from odd to even header that my text on odd butts right up to the header area and my text on even doesn't. There doesn't seem to be a lurking enter. What i do notice though is that my scroll box in the scroll bar jumps down a little when I switch between odd and even. SO there is still uneven page tops across my manual. I am now starting to think it maybe a header and footer thing. I've checked my para spacing after and that is identical. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you insert a manual page break, you (a) split the table (which prevents any heading rows from repeating) and (b) inserts an empty paragraph above the table on the second page. To avoid both results, instead select the row you want to be at the top of the second page and format it as "Page break before" (Line and Page Breaks tab of Format | Paragraph). Unless you're absolutely positive you always want a page break just there, it's better to keep rows together using "Keep with next" formatting. See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFm...ksInTables.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Yve Ke" wrote in message ... i have been making a procedures manual and I have noticed that when i put in a hard page break (because i don't want a table to split acorss a page) a little black box stays on the previous page and it interferes with the location of the first line of text on the new page. I am getting uneven tops of pages depending on whether there is a page break on the page before. It is slight but it is annoying. Can anyone help? Yve |
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If you're using different odd and even headers, there's a good chance you
copy/pasted text from one to the other. This is another pitfall. No matter how carefully you select all but the paragraph mark when copying and select the existing paragraph mark when pasting, Word will still always paste an extra paragraph mark, giving you an extra, empty paragraph. That might be what's causing your problem. It is, of course, much easier to troubleshoot such issues if you have nonprinting characters displayed, and easier still if you have text boundaries displayed. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Yve Ke" wrote in message ... Thank you that was very helpful. I have removed all manual pagebreaks and changed the format like you said. BUT i still notice that when i flick from odd to even header that my text on odd butts right up to the header area and my text on even doesn't. There doesn't seem to be a lurking enter. What i do notice though is that my scroll box in the scroll bar jumps down a little when I switch between odd and even. SO there is still uneven page tops across my manual. I am now starting to think it maybe a header and footer thing. I've checked my para spacing after and that is identical. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you insert a manual page break, you (a) split the table (which prevents any heading rows from repeating) and (b) inserts an empty paragraph above the table on the second page. To avoid both results, instead select the row you want to be at the top of the second page and format it as "Page break before" (Line and Page Breaks tab of Format | Paragraph). Unless you're absolutely positive you always want a page break just there, it's better to keep rows together using "Keep with next" formatting. See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFm...ksInTables.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Yve Ke" wrote in message ... i have been making a procedures manual and I have noticed that when i put in a hard page break (because i don't want a table to split acorss a page) a little black box stays on the previous page and it interferes with the location of the first line of text on the new page. I am getting uneven tops of pages depending on whether there is a page break on the page before. It is slight but it is annoying. Can anyone help? Yve |
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But I don't see any extra paragraph mark in there. I think there is something
siginificant in the fact that the scroll box bounces down a bit even as the cursor is at the same location for the odd and even header. What does the little black signify and how do you show text boundaries? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you're using different odd and even headers, there's a good chance you copy/pasted text from one to the other. This is another pitfall. No matter how carefully you select all but the paragraph mark when copying and select the existing paragraph mark when pasting, Word will still always paste an extra paragraph mark, giving you an extra, empty paragraph. That might be what's causing your problem. It is, of course, much easier to troubleshoot such issues if you have nonprinting characters displayed, and easier still if you have text boundaries displayed. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Yve Ke" wrote in message ... Thank you that was very helpful. I have removed all manual pagebreaks and changed the format like you said. BUT i still notice that when i flick from odd to even header that my text on odd butts right up to the header area and my text on even doesn't. There doesn't seem to be a lurking enter. What i do notice though is that my scroll box in the scroll bar jumps down a little when I switch between odd and even. SO there is still uneven page tops across my manual. I am now starting to think it maybe a header and footer thing. I've checked my para spacing after and that is identical. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you insert a manual page break, you (a) split the table (which prevents any heading rows from repeating) and (b) inserts an empty paragraph above the table on the second page. To avoid both results, instead select the row you want to be at the top of the second page and format it as "Page break before" (Line and Page Breaks tab of Format | Paragraph). Unless you're absolutely positive you always want a page break just there, it's better to keep rows together using "Keep with next" formatting. See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFm...ksInTables.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Yve Ke" wrote in message ... i have been making a procedures manual and I have noticed that when i put in a hard page break (because i don't want a table to split acorss a page) a little black box stays on the previous page and it interferes with the location of the first line of text on the new page. I am getting uneven tops of pages depending on whether there is a page break on the page before. It is slight but it is annoying. Can anyone help? Yve |
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The black square (as explained at
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/NonPrintChars.htm) just signifies that (in this case) you have "Page break before" formatting applied. Text boundaries (for Print Layout view only) can be enabled on the View tab of Tools | Options. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Yve Ke" wrote in message ... But I don't see any extra paragraph mark in there. I think there is something siginificant in the fact that the scroll box bounces down a bit even as the cursor is at the same location for the odd and even header. What does the little black signify and how do you show text boundaries? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you're using different odd and even headers, there's a good chance you copy/pasted text from one to the other. This is another pitfall. No matter how carefully you select all but the paragraph mark when copying and select the existing paragraph mark when pasting, Word will still always paste an extra paragraph mark, giving you an extra, empty paragraph. That might be what's causing your problem. It is, of course, much easier to troubleshoot such issues if you have nonprinting characters displayed, and easier still if you have text boundaries displayed. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Yve Ke" wrote in message ... Thank you that was very helpful. I have removed all manual pagebreaks and changed the format like you said. BUT i still notice that when i flick from odd to even header that my text on odd butts right up to the header area and my text on even doesn't. There doesn't seem to be a lurking enter. What i do notice though is that my scroll box in the scroll bar jumps down a little when I switch between odd and even. SO there is still uneven page tops across my manual. I am now starting to think it maybe a header and footer thing. I've checked my para spacing after and that is identical. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you insert a manual page break, you (a) split the table (which prevents any heading rows from repeating) and (b) inserts an empty paragraph above the table on the second page. To avoid both results, instead select the row you want to be at the top of the second page and format it as "Page break before" (Line and Page Breaks tab of Format | Paragraph). Unless you're absolutely positive you always want a page break just there, it's better to keep rows together using "Keep with next" formatting. See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFm...ksInTables.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Yve Ke" wrote in message ... i have been making a procedures manual and I have noticed that when i put in a hard page break (because i don't want a table to split acorss a page) a little black box stays on the previous page and it interferes with the location of the first line of text on the new page. I am getting uneven tops of pages depending on whether there is a page break on the page before. It is slight but it is annoying. Can anyone help? Yve |
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Hi Suzanne
Thanks again for your help! I have established that it has something to do with the text boundary. One is wider than the other. But the font, the para before and after, the size of text are all the same. How is this text boundary established? The odd page header has the grey dotted line at the end of the header space and the even page footer has the grey dotted line through the header space. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: The black square (as explained at http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/NonPrintChars.htm) just signifies that (in this case) you have "Page break before" formatting applied. Text boundaries (for Print Layout view only) can be enabled on the View tab of Tools | Options. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Yve Ke" wrote in message ... But I don't see any extra paragraph mark in there. I think there is something siginificant in the fact that the scroll box bounces down a bit even as the cursor is at the same location for the odd and even header. What does the little black signify and how do you show text boundaries? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you're using different odd and even headers, there's a good chance you copy/pasted text from one to the other. This is another pitfall. No matter how carefully you select all but the paragraph mark when copying and select the existing paragraph mark when pasting, Word will still always paste an extra paragraph mark, giving you an extra, empty paragraph. That might be what's causing your problem. It is, of course, much easier to troubleshoot such issues if you have nonprinting characters displayed, and easier still if you have text boundaries displayed. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Yve Ke" wrote in message ... Thank you that was very helpful. I have removed all manual pagebreaks and changed the format like you said. BUT i still notice that when i flick from odd to even header that my text on odd butts right up to the header area and my text on even doesn't. There doesn't seem to be a lurking enter. What i do notice though is that my scroll box in the scroll bar jumps down a little when I switch between odd and even. SO there is still uneven page tops across my manual. I am now starting to think it maybe a header and footer thing. I've checked my para spacing after and that is identical. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you insert a manual page break, you (a) split the table (which prevents any heading rows from repeating) and (b) inserts an empty paragraph above the table on the second page. To avoid both results, instead select the row you want to be at the top of the second page and format it as "Page break before" (Line and Page Breaks tab of Format | Paragraph). Unless you're absolutely positive you always want a page break just there, it's better to keep rows together using "Keep with next" formatting. See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFm...ksInTables.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Yve Ke" wrote in message ... i have been making a procedures manual and I have noticed that when i put in a hard page break (because i don't want a table to split acorss a page) a little black box stays on the previous page and it interferes with the location of the first line of text on the new page. I am getting uneven tops of pages depending on whether there is a page break on the page before. It is slight but it is annoying. Can anyone help? Yve |
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I'm having trouble visualizing what you're talking about (not sure what's
wider, what dotted line you're talking about, etc.). Can you send me the document to look at? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Yve Ke" wrote in message news Hi Suzanne Thanks again for your help! I have established that it has something to do with the text boundary. One is wider than the other. But the font, the para before and after, the size of text are all the same. How is this text boundary established? The odd page header has the grey dotted line at the end of the header space and the even page footer has the grey dotted line through the header space. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: The black square (as explained at http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/NonPrintChars.htm) just signifies that (in this case) you have "Page break before" formatting applied. Text boundaries (for Print Layout view only) can be enabled on the View tab of Tools | Options. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Yve Ke" wrote in message ... But I don't see any extra paragraph mark in there. I think there is something siginificant in the fact that the scroll box bounces down a bit even as the cursor is at the same location for the odd and even header. What does the little black signify and how do you show text boundaries? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you're using different odd and even headers, there's a good chance you copy/pasted text from one to the other. This is another pitfall. No matter how carefully you select all but the paragraph mark when copying and select the existing paragraph mark when pasting, Word will still always paste an extra paragraph mark, giving you an extra, empty paragraph. That might be what's causing your problem. It is, of course, much easier to troubleshoot such issues if you have nonprinting characters displayed, and easier still if you have text boundaries displayed. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Yve Ke" wrote in message ... Thank you that was very helpful. I have removed all manual pagebreaks and changed the format like you said. BUT i still notice that when i flick from odd to even header that my text on odd butts right up to the header area and my text on even doesn't. There doesn't seem to be a lurking enter. What i do notice though is that my scroll box in the scroll bar jumps down a little when I switch between odd and even. SO there is still uneven page tops across my manual. I am now starting to think it maybe a header and footer thing. I've checked my para spacing after and that is identical. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you insert a manual page break, you (a) split the table (which prevents any heading rows from repeating) and (b) inserts an empty paragraph above the table on the second page. To avoid both results, instead select the row you want to be at the top of the second page and format it as "Page break before" (Line and Page Breaks tab of Format | Paragraph). Unless you're absolutely positive you always want a page break just there, it's better to keep rows together using "Keep with next" formatting. See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFm...ksInTables.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Yve Ke" wrote in message ... i have been making a procedures manual and I have noticed that when i put in a hard page break (because i don't want a table to split acorss a page) a little black box stays on the previous page and it interferes with the location of the first line of text on the new page. I am getting uneven tops of pages depending on whether there is a page break on the page before. It is slight but it is annoying. Can anyone help? Yve |
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I have sent a screen dump of what I am talking about - the grey dotted line
is the text boundaries. I have ended up fixing my problem by deleting the odd and even pages and re-putting them in BUT would still like to know about these text boundaries and why they were different when the text looked the same in font, size and para before and after. How do you manipulate them? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I'm having trouble visualizing what you're talking about (not sure what's wider, what dotted line you're talking about, etc.). Can you send me the document to look at? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Yve Ke" wrote in message news Hi Suzanne Thanks again for your help! I have established that it has something to do with the text boundary. One is wider than the other. But the font, the para before and after, the size of text are all the same. How is this text boundary established? The odd page header has the grey dotted line at the end of the header space and the even page footer has the grey dotted line through the header space. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: The black square (as explained at http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/NonPrintChars.htm) just signifies that (in this case) you have "Page break before" formatting applied. Text boundaries (for Print Layout view only) can be enabled on the View tab of Tools | Options. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Yve Ke" wrote in message ... But I don't see any extra paragraph mark in there. I think there is something siginificant in the fact that the scroll box bounces down a bit even as the cursor is at the same location for the odd and even header. What does the little black signify and how do you show text boundaries? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you're using different odd and even headers, there's a good chance you copy/pasted text from one to the other. This is another pitfall. No matter how carefully you select all but the paragraph mark when copying and select the existing paragraph mark when pasting, Word will still always paste an extra paragraph mark, giving you an extra, empty paragraph. That might be what's causing your problem. It is, of course, much easier to troubleshoot such issues if you have nonprinting characters displayed, and easier still if you have text boundaries displayed. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Yve Ke" wrote in message ... Thank you that was very helpful. I have removed all manual pagebreaks and changed the format like you said. BUT i still notice that when i flick from odd to even header that my text on odd butts right up to the header area and my text on even doesn't. There doesn't seem to be a lurking enter. What i do notice though is that my scroll box in the scroll bar jumps down a little when I switch between odd and even. SO there is still uneven page tops across my manual. I am now starting to think it maybe a header and footer thing. I've checked my para spacing after and that is identical. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you insert a manual page break, you (a) split the table (which prevents any heading rows from repeating) and (b) inserts an empty paragraph above the table on the second page. To avoid both results, instead select the row you want to be at the top of the second page and format it as "Page break before" (Line and Page Breaks tab of Format | Paragraph). Unless you're absolutely positive you always want a page break just there, it's better to keep rows together using "Keep with next" formatting. See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFm...ksInTables.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Yve Ke" wrote in message ... i have been making a procedures manual and I have noticed that when i put in a hard page break (because i don't want a table to split acorss a page) a little black box stays on the previous page and it interferes with the location of the first line of text on the new page. I am getting uneven tops of pages depending on whether there is a page break on the page before. It is slight but it is annoying. Can anyone help? Yve |
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I'm afraid I can tell anything from screen shots; I need the actual
document. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Yve Ke" wrote in message ... I have sent a screen dump of what I am talking about - the grey dotted line is the text boundaries. I have ended up fixing my problem by deleting the odd and even pages and re-putting them in BUT would still like to know about these text boundaries and why they were different when the text looked the same in font, size and para before and after. How do you manipulate them? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I'm having trouble visualizing what you're talking about (not sure what's wider, what dotted line you're talking about, etc.). Can you send me the document to look at? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Yve Ke" wrote in message news Hi Suzanne Thanks again for your help! I have established that it has something to do with the text boundary. One is wider than the other. But the font, the para before and after, the size of text are all the same. How is this text boundary established? The odd page header has the grey dotted line at the end of the header space and the even page footer has the grey dotted line through the header space. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: The black square (as explained at http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/NonPrintChars.htm) just signifies that (in this case) you have "Page break before" formatting applied. Text boundaries (for Print Layout view only) can be enabled on the View tab of Tools | Options. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Yve Ke" wrote in message ... But I don't see any extra paragraph mark in there. I think there is something siginificant in the fact that the scroll box bounces down a bit even as the cursor is at the same location for the odd and even header. What does the little black signify and how do you show text boundaries? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you're using different odd and even headers, there's a good chance you copy/pasted text from one to the other. This is another pitfall. No matter how carefully you select all but the paragraph mark when copying and select the existing paragraph mark when pasting, Word will still always paste an extra paragraph mark, giving you an extra, empty paragraph. That might be what's causing your problem. It is, of course, much easier to troubleshoot such issues if you have nonprinting characters displayed, and easier still if you have text boundaries displayed. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Yve Ke" wrote in message ... Thank you that was very helpful. I have removed all manual pagebreaks and changed the format like you said. BUT i still notice that when i flick from odd to even header that my text on odd butts right up to the header area and my text on even doesn't. There doesn't seem to be a lurking enter. What i do notice though is that my scroll box in the scroll bar jumps down a little when I switch between odd and even. SO there is still uneven page tops across my manual. I am now starting to think it maybe a header and footer thing. I've checked my para spacing after and that is identical. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you insert a manual page break, you (a) split the table (which prevents any heading rows from repeating) and (b) inserts an empty paragraph above the table on the second page. To avoid both results, instead select the row you want to be at the top of the second page and format it as "Page break before" (Line and Page Breaks tab of Format | Paragraph). Unless you're absolutely positive you always want a page break just there, it's better to keep rows together using "Keep with next" formatting. See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFm...ksInTables.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Yve Ke" wrote in message ... i have been making a procedures manual and I have noticed that when i put in a hard page break (because i don't want a table to split acorss a page) a little black box stays on the previous page and it interferes with the location of the first line of text on the new page. I am getting uneven tops of pages depending on whether there is a page break on the page before. It is slight but it is annoying. Can anyone help? Yve |
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