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Doug Robbins - Word MVP
 
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Aside from the issues that have been raised by Peter, does anyone understand
what the OP means by:

I have a data source that contains two tables - table one has an id1
and some other fields and id1 is the primary key, table2 has as its
primary key id2 but also contains id1 from table1 for linking.

I want my word document to ask for a value for id2. And the select id1
and id2 if and only if table1.id1 equals table2.id1 and table2.id2
contains the value that i was asked for intially.


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From: Peter Jamieson
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 17:54:19 +0100
Subject: fields queries and utter disaster

Still no obvious way to do it here - it's possible to get the data via
Excel
and the Excel VBA Help gives an example of how to do it programmatically,
but I haven't been able to get it to work so far (again, on Office 2004).
Next opportunity to look is in a couple of days' time, but I'd have
thought
someone on the Mac side had had a thorough go at this and knows what's
feasible.

Peter jamieson


"John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]" wrote in
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My Bad... The OP did specify Office X...

In which case the following link may help:
http://www.microsoft.com/mac/otherpr...pid=usingoffic
ex&type=howto&article=/mac/LIBRARY/feature_articles/officex/xl_ODBC.xml


On 29/4/06 7:38 PM, in article ,
"Peter
Jamieson" wrote:

Hi John etc.,

I'm going to spit this off to the group that specialises in this kind
of
thing, however, my first question is "How did you get a connection to
mysql
from Microsoft Office in the first place?"

The people in the mailmergefields group need to know that you are
doing
this
in Macintosh OS 10.4.5 (Unix) using Microsoft Office 2004.

I had the impression that it was using Office X, but unfortunately I am
much
more ignorant on Mac issues and can only experiment with Office 2004,
i.e.
(a) do not know whether it is possible to connect directly using ODBC
with
Office X and
(b) what the appropriate syntax for OpenDataSource (or a { DATABASE }
field, if that is what the questioner wants) would be on Mac.

On the Windows version this is doable partly because it's possible to
specify "" as the Name in the OpenDataSource call when the ODBC DSN is
a
machine DSN (i.e. in the registry), or use a file DSN.

If someone on the Mac side knows the answer to the general ODBC
connectivity
questions maybe we could get a little bit further.

Peter Jamieson

John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]" wrote
in
message ...
I'm going to spit this off to the group that specialises in this kind
of
thing, however, my first question is "How did you get a connection to
mysql
from Microsoft Office in the first place?"

The people in the mailmergefields group need to know that you are
doing
this
in Macintosh OS 10.4.5 (Unix) using Microsoft Office 2004.

This is a specialist area, and I am by no means a specialist.
However,
I
think your answer will be something along the lines of "You need to
use
the
Database toolbar to insert the database into your data source as a
Word
table." Once you have done that, you can then query the fields in
that
table.

Hope this helps

On 28/4/06 8:37 PM, in article
,
"
wrote:

Hi

I'm trying to solve the following.

I have a data source that contains two tables - table one has an id1
and some other fields and id1 is the primary key, table2 has as its
primary key id2 but also contains id1 from table1 for linking.

I want my word document to ask for a value for id2. And the select
id1
and id2 if and only if table1.id1 equals table2.id1 and table2.id2
contains the value that i was asked for intially.

or to put it in mysql language

SELECT Table1.ID1, Table2.ID1 FROM TABLE1, TABLE2 WHERE Table1.ID1 =
TABLE2.ID1 AND TABLE2.ID2 = ?

I can access the table, my problem is that I cannot figure out the
proper syntax for MSWords fields

As far as I can tell I should be able to do this using IF combined
with
ASK but I've spent the better part of my day not getting any closer
att
all.

I would really appreciate any help.

I might add i would like this to be don on saving or printing but
only
once for each document .. so if its opened again it will not ask ..
in
other words if the fields are filled in dont ask. But I'll settle for
just getting the first part!


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CyberTaz
 
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Default fields queries and utter disaster

Hi Doug, et al -

It sounds to me like the 2 tables are related using ID1 as the common field
(Primary Key of Table1, Foreign Key of Table2). I'm not familiar with MySQL,
but in Access & others, it would seem to me that a simple query in the
database would provide the record set the user needs, matching records on
the basis of the common field. An inner join would return just the matching
records & the query should be constructed to return only the 2 required
fields of data (ID1 & ID2) for the matching records.

It seems far simpler to me to do this in the database & use the *query* as
the data source rather than trying to get Word to query the two tables.

What isn't clear (to me) is whether the OP wants to do a *merge*, with the
user choosing which of the found records to include, or whether this doc is
to be generated for one recipient at a time with the user being prompted for
an 'ID2' criteria.

Does this make sense?

HTH |:)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 4/30/06 2:23 AM, in article , "Doug
Robbins - Word MVP" wrote:

Aside from the issues that have been raised by Peter, does anyone understand
what the OP means by:

I have a data source that contains two tables - table one has an id1
and some other fields and id1 is the primary key, table2 has as its
primary key id2 but also contains id1 from table1 for linking.

I want my word document to ask for a value for id2. And the select id1
and id2 if and only if table1.id1 equals table2.id1 and table2.id2
contains the value that i was asked for intially.


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Doug Robbins - Word MVP
 
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Default fields queries and utter disaster

Yes Bob, that would be my understanding and I always maintain that data
manipulation is best done in the data source.

Looking now in the original newsgroup to which this was posted
(microsoft.public.mac.office.word), I see that the OP posted a couple of
follow ups to his original post, the most telling of which states:

Quote

I will settle for an even easier version ... The user is prompted for
an input in the form of a number (id2) and then the corresponding id1
will be printed as well as id2

like this

id1 - id2

Unquote

If it was Access, I would say the form into which the user eterns the id2
should be in the database and the merge should be initiated from there,
possibly making use of the information on Albert Kallal's site at:

http://www.members.shaw.ca/AlbertKal...rge/index.html



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"CyberTaz" wrote in message
.. .
Hi Doug, et al -

It sounds to me like the 2 tables are related using ID1 as the common
field
(Primary Key of Table1, Foreign Key of Table2). I'm not familiar with
MySQL,
but in Access & others, it would seem to me that a simple query in the
database would provide the record set the user needs, matching records on
the basis of the common field. An inner join would return just the
matching
records & the query should be constructed to return only the 2 required
fields of data (ID1 & ID2) for the matching records.

It seems far simpler to me to do this in the database & use the *query* as
the data source rather than trying to get Word to query the two tables.

What isn't clear (to me) is whether the OP wants to do a *merge*, with the
user choosing which of the found records to include, or whether this doc
is
to be generated for one recipient at a time with the user being prompted
for
an 'ID2' criteria.

Does this make sense?

HTH |:)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 4/30/06 2:23 AM, in article , "Doug
Robbins - Word MVP" wrote:

Aside from the issues that have been raised by Peter, does anyone
understand
what the OP means by:

I have a data source that contains two tables - table one has an id1
and some other fields and id1 is the primary key, table2 has as its
primary key id2 but also contains id1 from table1 for linking.

I want my word document to ask for a value for id2. And the select id1
and id2 if and only if table1.id1 equals table2.id1 and table2.id2
contains the value that i was asked for intially.




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Does this make sense?

Partly - I agree with the analysis about what the user is trying to
retrieve, but there are at least a couple of key issues:
a. how does the user get any data at all from MySQL into Word on the Mac
platform? Constructing a query or view in the DBMS does not solve that
problem, although it might make it easier to do it without resorting to VBA
or editing a DATABASE field. At the moment the only way I can see is "get
the data from MySQL into a format Word can use as a data source, then use
that". As far as I can see at the moment, that can be done using e.g. Excel
& MS Query, but it isn't clear that it can easily be automated, e.g. there
is no equivalent of ADO to use with Word VBA on Mac, I haven't been able to
get the appropriate Mac Excel VBA "get data directly from an ODBC data
source" sample to work so far, and the MS Query documentation in this
version suggests that it isn't even possible to save a .qry/.dqy file
b. in this case the user needs to enter a value which will restrict the set
of records returned, which means that you have to create a
query/view/procedure to which you can pass a parameter, which means you have
to do slightly more than just use the query/view as a data source (again.
some of this stuff can be done with some types of data source in the Windows
version of Word, but you either have to use the old DDE connection type to
Access (and that option's not available on Mac) or successfully issue a
procedure call with a parameter which is typically not straightforward even
on Windows Word.

The bottom line is, either it's feasible to get this data directly from
Word, or it's probably going to involve a separate manual step.

FWIW, I agree with Doug about databses being the place to manipulate data,
but it kinda depends on what you mean by a "database". To me, the whole
point of a standard such as SQL is that anything can use all its features to
retireve data.I don't see the necessity to do queries as a separate step.

Just my 2c-worth

Peter Jamieson

"CyberTaz" wrote in message
.. .
Hi Doug, et al -

It sounds to me like the 2 tables are related using ID1 as the common
field
(Primary Key of Table1, Foreign Key of Table2). I'm not familiar with
MySQL,
but in Access & others, it would seem to me that a simple query in the
database would provide the record set the user needs, matching records on
the basis of the common field. An inner join would return just the
matching
records & the query should be constructed to return only the 2 required
fields of data (ID1 & ID2) for the matching records.

It seems far simpler to me to do this in the database & use the *query* as
the data source rather than trying to get Word to query the two tables.

What isn't clear (to me) is whether the OP wants to do a *merge*, with the
user choosing which of the found records to include, or whether this doc
is
to be generated for one recipient at a time with the user being prompted
for
an 'ID2' criteria.

Does this make sense?

HTH |:)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 4/30/06 2:23 AM, in article , "Doug
Robbins - Word MVP" wrote:

Aside from the issues that have been raised by Peter, does anyone
understand
what the OP means by:

I have a data source that contains two tables - table one has an id1
and some other fields and id1 is the primary key, table2 has as its
primary key id2 but also contains id1 from table1 for linking.

I want my word document to ask for a value for id2. And the select id1
and id2 if and only if table1.id1 equals table2.id1 and table2.id2
contains the value that i was asked for intially.




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