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Fixing a page or frame in place whilst text moves around it
This is really two questions in one but here we go:
I am putting my thesis together and want to include figures in the main document so that page numbering is correct. I want each figure (including caption) to be on its own, otherwise blank, page. However I may do a lot of editing in the future so ideally I want to be able to fix the fig&caption in place on page... let's say page 10 and have any text added to p9 to overflow onto p11 (and, obviously if I delete text from p9, text from p11 should jump back to p9). My first attempt used page-sized text boxes but I found out that captions, TOC and cross references don't work in text boxes because they are in the 'graphics layer'. So I moved on to frames. However I don't seem to be able to keep the frame in a fixed place. I have unchecked 'move object with text' but that doesn't seem to actually do anything! So my 2 questions in 1 a 1) How can I REALLY fix a frame in place on page X? 2) Is there a better way to achieve what I am trying to do? |
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Fixing a page or frame in place whilst text moves around it
There is really no way to do it with Word.
Your problem highlights the fundamental difference between a word processor and a page layout program. In a word processor like Word, the basic object is the *content* - the single stream of text and graphics from beginning to end - to which you apply formatting. 'Page' doesn't figure in the Word object model at all, except as an artefact of the application of formatting and the preparation for printing. A page layout program works the other way round: its basic object is the *container* - the set of initially empty pages, to which content is then added. So your options are -- 1. Use a page layout program, like PageMaker or Corel. This is probably a bad idea for a thesis, since you're likely to need to text processing features, footnoting, etc. 2. Ignore the problem until you've got your text finalised. Insert the figures in approximately the right place, let them move around as text is added and removed; then after the final text edit move them to the required pages. "Paul" wrote in message ups.com... This is really two questions in one but here we go: I am putting my thesis together and want to include figures in the main document so that page numbering is correct. I want each figure (including caption) to be on its own, otherwise blank, page. However I may do a lot of editing in the future so ideally I want to be able to fix the fig&caption in place on page... let's say page 10 and have any text added to p9 to overflow onto p11 (and, obviously if I delete text from p9, text from p11 should jump back to p9). My first attempt used page-sized text boxes but I found out that captions, TOC and cross references don't work in text boxes because they are in the 'graphics layer'. So I moved on to frames. However I don't seem to be able to keep the frame in a fixed place. I have unchecked 'move object with text' but that doesn't seem to actually do anything! So my 2 questions in 1 a 1) How can I REALLY fix a frame in place on page X? 2) Is there a better way to achieve what I am trying to do? |
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Fixing a page or frame in place whilst text moves around it
To add to what Jezebel has said, the way I handle this is to delay inserting
graphics at all until editing is complete. I just insert a placeholder ("Insert Figure x here"). Then, when editing is complete. I insert the figure and caption (often in table cells rather than a frame, since they're going to have to be inline anyway. The trick is to create the appearance that text is flowing from the page before the full-page graphic to the page after. If you are using a style that has a first-line indent and is justified, this requires two tricks, one for the page before and one for the page after: 1. At the end of the page before your full-page graphic, press Ctrl+Enter to insert a page break. 2. Insert your graphic and caption and press Ctrl+Enter to insert another page break. 3. At the bottom of the page before the graphic, press Shift+Enter to insert a line break. This will justify the last line of text on the page but will also create a new (blank) line, which won't fit on the page. Display nonprinting characters and select just the paragraph mark (on the new blank line) and format it as 1 point. If that doesn't suffice, format it as Hidden (you'll have to hide nonprinting characters before you see the result). 4. Assuming you're using Body Text First Indent (or the like) for your indented paragraphs, apply Body Text (with no first-line indent) to the first paragraph on the page following the graphic. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jezebel" wrote in message ... There is really no way to do it with Word. Your problem highlights the fundamental difference between a word processor and a page layout program. In a word processor like Word, the basic object is the *content* - the single stream of text and graphics from beginning to end - to which you apply formatting. 'Page' doesn't figure in the Word object model at all, except as an artefact of the application of formatting and the preparation for printing. A page layout program works the other way round: its basic object is the *container* - the set of initially empty pages, to which content is then added. So your options are -- 1. Use a page layout program, like PageMaker or Corel. This is probably a bad idea for a thesis, since you're likely to need to text processing features, footnoting, etc. 2. Ignore the problem until you've got your text finalised. Insert the figures in approximately the right place, let them move around as text is added and removed; then after the final text edit move them to the required pages. "Paul" wrote in message ups.com... This is really two questions in one but here we go: I am putting my thesis together and want to include figures in the main document so that page numbering is correct. I want each figure (including caption) to be on its own, otherwise blank, page. However I may do a lot of editing in the future so ideally I want to be able to fix the fig&caption in place on page... let's say page 10 and have any text added to p9 to overflow onto p11 (and, obviously if I delete text from p9, text from p11 should jump back to p9). My first attempt used page-sized text boxes but I found out that captions, TOC and cross references don't work in text boxes because they are in the 'graphics layer'. So I moved on to frames. However I don't seem to be able to keep the frame in a fixed place. I have unchecked 'move object with text' but that doesn't seem to actually do anything! So my 2 questions in 1 a 1) How can I REALLY fix a frame in place on page X? 2) Is there a better way to achieve what I am trying to do? |
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For more on Jezebel's point about Word not using pages, see he
http://word.mvps.org/Mac/PagesInWord.html For general links about long documents like theses, see he http://daiya.mvps.org/bookword.htm On 8/30/06 12:36 AM, "Jezebel" wrote: There is really no way to do it with Word. Your problem highlights the fundamental difference between a word processor and a page layout program. In a word processor like Word, the basic object is the *content* - the single stream of text and graphics from beginning to end - to which you apply formatting. 'Page' doesn't figure in the Word object model at all, except as an artefact of the application of formatting and the preparation for printing. A page layout program works the other way round: its basic object is the *container* - the set of initially empty pages, to which content is then added. So your options are -- 1. Use a page layout program, like PageMaker or Corel. This is probably a bad idea for a thesis, since you're likely to need to text processing features, footnoting, etc. 2. Ignore the problem until you've got your text finalised. Insert the figures in approximately the right place, let them move around as text is added and removed; then after the final text edit move them to the required pages. "Paul" wrote in message ups.com... This is really two questions in one but here we go: I am putting my thesis together and want to include figures in the main document so that page numbering is correct. I want each figure (including caption) to be on its own, otherwise blank, page. However I may do a lot of editing in the future so ideally I want to be able to fix the fig&caption in place on page... let's say page 10 and have any text added to p9 to overflow onto p11 (and, obviously if I delete text from p9, text from p11 should jump back to p9). My first attempt used page-sized text boxes but I found out that captions, TOC and cross references don't work in text boxes because they are in the 'graphics layer'. So I moved on to frames. However I don't seem to be able to keep the frame in a fixed place. I have unchecked 'move object with text' but that doesn't seem to actually do anything! So my 2 questions in 1 a 1) How can I REALLY fix a frame in place on page X? 2) Is there a better way to achieve what I am trying to do? -- Daiya Mitchell, MVP Mac/Word Word FAQ: http://www.word.mvps.org/ MacWord Tips: http://word.mvps.org/Mac/WordMacHome.html What's an MVP? A volunteer! Read the FAQ: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ |
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