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Change Word EditSelectAll to EditSelectSubMenu like EditClear
Ive got a suggestion for a minor improvement for MS Word. It involves the
Edit Menu Select All choice. You could enhance this menu item by adding a sub-menu (similar to the Clear sub-menu just above it) which gives additional choices beyond Select All, such as Select Paragraph, Select Sentence, Select Line, Select Word, Select Clause (i.e. from comma to comma/period), Select Quote (i.e. "Within quotation marks"), Select Page, etc. You could even make it context sensitive so that if the insertion point was in a table, for example, it would change to Select Cell, Select Row, Select Column, etc. I realize that there are Mouse shortcuts such as double-click, triple-click, ctrl-click, etc. to perform some of these selections. However, these are non-intuitive and can be difficult to learn (i.e. someone has to show you or you have to read it somewhere) and also to remember. I realize, as well, that there is the use of the click and drag selection process which is very intuitive, but can be difficult or clumsy for absolute beginners. I teach Windows and Office to beginning students and see many of them struggling with the mouse. They have particular trouble with Drag & Drop and with Dragging to Select Text. I know its hard for most of us to remember, but the mouse takes some practice to get the hang of. Ive recently taken to recommending that students start by using the Task Pane in Windows Explorer (in XP only) for copying and moving files. They seem to achieve a much more consistent level of success with that method than with Drag & Drop. It was that, plus the Edit Menu Clear sub-menu just above Select All, that got me thinking about this solution for the problems I observed in beginners with selecting text. They often miss the period or Paragraph Mark at the end when selecting sentences or paragraphs or get too many or too few spaces, etc. This way they would reliably get a complete sentence, paragraph, etc for their copy or move. I dont think it would clutter up the Edit Menu or unduly hamper someone trying to do a Select All. Most people quickly discover Ctrl+A for that anyway. This is the only downside that I can see. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm....word.newusers |
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Change Word EditSelectAll to EditSelectSubMenu like EditClear
and most of it can be done with multiple mouse clicks.
-- Hope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Word 2007 has no Edit menu at all, so this suggestion is unlikely to be implemented in the way you suggest. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Monte Hanrahan" Monte wrote in message ... I've got a suggestion for a minor improvement for MS Word. It involves the Edit Menu Select All choice. You could enhance this menu item by adding a sub-menu (similar to the Clear sub-menu just above it) which gives additional choices beyond Select All, such as Select Paragraph, Select Sentence, Select Line, Select Word, Select Clause (i.e. from comma to comma/period), Select Quote (i.e. "Within quotation marks"), Select Page, etc. You could even make it context sensitive so that if the insertion point was in a table, for example, it would change to Select Cell, Select Row, Select Column, etc. I realize that there are Mouse shortcuts such as double-click, triple-click, ctrl-click, etc. to perform some of these selections. However, these are non-intuitive and can be difficult to learn (i.e. someone has to show you or you have to read it somewhere) and also to remember. I realize, as well, that there is the use of the click and drag selection process which is very intuitive, but can be difficult or clumsy for absolute beginners. I teach Windows and Office to beginning students and see many of them struggling with the mouse. They have particular trouble with Drag & Drop and with Dragging to Select Text. I know it's hard for most of us to remember, but the mouse takes some practice to get the hang of. I've recently taken to recommending that students start by using the Task Pane in Windows Explorer (in XP only) for copying and moving files. They seem to achieve a much more consistent level of success with that method than with Drag & Drop. It was that, plus the Edit Menu Clear sub-menu just above Select All, that got me thinking about this solution for the problems I observed in beginners with selecting text. They often miss the period or Paragraph Mark at the end when selecting sentences or paragraphs or get too many or too few spaces, etc. This way they would reliably get a complete sentence, paragraph, etc for their copy or move. I don't think it would clutter up the Edit Menu or unduly hamper someone trying to do a Select All. Most people quickly discover Ctrl+A for that anyway. This is the only downside that I can see. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm....word.newusers |
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Change Word EditSelectAll to EditSelectSubMenu like EditCl
You didn't read my entire post. I explained my rationale in great detail,
including how "multiple mouse clicks" is a part of the problem. I deliberately posted this in the NEW USERS forum because it was intended to solve a problem that new users have. Namely, that they have so many things to learn at the beginning that it is nice to have Menu items to choose from instead of simply not knowing the easy way to do something. Im talking about real beginners, people who would hit the enter key twice at the end of each line because their term paper is supposed to be double spaced! The post from Suzanne S. Barnhill mentions that the Edit Menu is going away in Word 2007 so the whole thing may be moot anyway. I dont know how that is going to improve the product. Maybe Microsoft wants us to go back to the Wordstar days where everything was done with arcane ctrl-key combinations, just supplemented now by arcane mouse click combinations. 20 years ago everybody had little keyboard templates and cheat sheets taped to their displays so they could quickly look up how to do all those things they couldnt remember. "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote: and most of it can be done with multiple mouse clicks. -- Hope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Word 2007 has no Edit menu at all, so this suggestion is unlikely to be implemented in the way you suggest. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Monte Hanrahan" Monte wrote in message ... I've got a suggestion for a minor improvement for MS Word. It involves the Edit Menu Select All choice. You could enhance this menu item by adding a sub-menu (similar to the Clear sub-menu just above it) which gives additional choices beyond Select All, such as Select Paragraph, Select Sentence, Select Line, Select Word, Select Clause (i.e. from comma to comma/period), Select Quote (i.e. "Within quotation marks"), Select Page, etc. You could even make it context sensitive so that if the insertion point was in a table, for example, it would change to Select Cell, Select Row, Select Column, etc. I realize that there are Mouse shortcuts such as double-click, triple-click, ctrl-click, etc. to perform some of these selections. However, these are non-intuitive and can be difficult to learn (i.e. someone has to show you or you have to read it somewhere) and also to remember. I realize, as well, that there is the use of the click and drag selection process which is very intuitive, but can be difficult or clumsy for absolute beginners. I teach Windows and Office to beginning students and see many of them struggling with the mouse. They have particular trouble with Drag & Drop and with Dragging to Select Text. I know it's hard for most of us to remember, but the mouse takes some practice to get the hang of. I've recently taken to recommending that students start by using the Task Pane in Windows Explorer (in XP only) for copying and moving files. They seem to achieve a much more consistent level of success with that method than with Drag & Drop. It was that, plus the Edit Menu Clear sub-menu just above Select All, that got me thinking about this solution for the problems I observed in beginners with selecting text. They often miss the period or Paragraph Mark at the end when selecting sentences or paragraphs or get too many or too few spaces, etc. This way they would reliably get a complete sentence, paragraph, etc for their copy or move. I don't think it would clutter up the Edit Menu or unduly hamper someone trying to do a Select All. Most people quickly discover Ctrl+A for that anyway. This is the only downside that I can see. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm....word.newusers |
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Change Word EditSelectAll to EditSelectSubMenu like EditCl
Does that mean that Select All will not be on a Menu anywhere? How is that
going to improve the product? What about Clear or Find or Replace or Paste Special? What mechanism will allow access to current Edit Menu operations? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Word 2007 has no Edit menu at all, so this suggestion is unlikely to be implemented in the way you suggest. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Monte Hanrahan" Monte wrote in message ... Ive got a suggestion for a minor improvement for MS Word. It involves the Edit Menu Select All choice. You could enhance this menu item by adding a sub-menu (similar to the Clear sub-menu just above it) which gives additional choices beyond Select All, such as Select Paragraph, Select Sentence, Select Line, Select Word, Select Clause (i.e. from comma to comma/period), Select Quote (i.e. "Within quotation marks"), Select Page, etc. You could even make it context sensitive so that if the insertion point was in a table, for example, it would change to Select Cell, Select Row, Select Column, etc. I realize that there are Mouse shortcuts such as double-click, triple-click, ctrl-click, etc. to perform some of these selections. However, these are non-intuitive and can be difficult to learn (i.e. someone has to show you or you have to read it somewhere) and also to remember. I realize, as well, that there is the use of the click and drag selection process which is very intuitive, but can be difficult or clumsy for absolute beginners. I teach Windows and Office to beginning students and see many of them struggling with the mouse. They have particular trouble with Drag & Drop and with Dragging to Select Text. I know its hard for most of us to remember, but the mouse takes some practice to get the hang of. Ive recently taken to recommending that students start by using the Task Pane in Windows Explorer (in XP only) for copying and moving files. They seem to achieve a much more consistent level of success with that method than with Drag & Drop. It was that, plus the Edit Menu Clear sub-menu just above Select All, that got me thinking about this solution for the problems I observed in beginners with selecting text. They often miss the period or Paragraph Mark at the end when selecting sentences or paragraphs or get too many or too few spaces, etc. This way they would reliably get a complete sentence, paragraph, etc for their copy or move. I dont think it would clutter up the Edit Menu or unduly hamper someone trying to do a Select All. Most people quickly discover Ctrl+A for that anyway. This is the only downside that I can see. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm....word.newusers |
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Change Word EditSelectAll to EditSelectSubMenu like EditClear
Hi Suzanne,
Word does have an 'Editing' group on the 'Home' tab of the ribbon. Unless you're running a screen at 1280w resolution then the Editing group will appear and act on screen in a manner similar to the 'tiered menus' they removed from the 2007 versions g) One of the Editing subgroup commands is 'Select'. "Select" in turn has a subgroup of 'Select All' 'Select Objects' 'Select Text with Similar Formatting' ======= "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Word 2007 has no Edit menu at all, so this suggestion is unlikely to be implemented in the way you suggest. Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) -- I hope this helped you, Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office system products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends LINKS for the 2007 Office System 1. Read about it, try it, or watch the movie the 2007 Microsoft Office system iinfo is at http://microsoft.com/office/preview 2. Already have 2007 Office System Beta 2? Send Microsoft your feedback (with pictures) http://sas.office.microsoft.com/ 3. Use the 2007 OfficeOnline website without Office2007 a. Install the ActiveX access control http://office.microsoft.com/search/r...XT101650581033 b. then visit http://officebeta.iponet.net |
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Change Word EditSelectAll to EditSelectSubMenu like EditCl
I guess you've been under a rock somewhere? See
http://www.microsoft.com/office/prev.../overview.mspx -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Monte Hanrahan" wrote in message ... Does that mean that Select All will not be on a Menu anywhere? How is that going to improve the product? What about Clear or Find or Replace or Paste Special? What mechanism will allow access to current Edit Menu operations? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Word 2007 has no Edit menu at all, so this suggestion is unlikely to be implemented in the way you suggest. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Monte Hanrahan" Monte wrote in message ... Ive got a suggestion for a minor improvement for MS Word. It involves the Edit Menu Select All choice. You could enhance this menu item by adding a sub-menu (similar to the Clear sub-menu just above it) which gives additional choices beyond Select All, such as Select Paragraph, Select Sentence, Select Line, Select Word, Select Clause (i.e. from comma to comma/period), Select Quote (i.e. "Within quotation marks"), Select Page, etc. You could even make it context sensitive so that if the insertion point was in a table, for example, it would change to Select Cell, Select Row, Select Column, etc. I realize that there are Mouse shortcuts such as double-click, triple-click, ctrl-click, etc. to perform some of these selections. However, these are non-intuitive and can be difficult to learn (i.e. someone has to show you or you have to read it somewhere) and also to remember. I realize, as well, that there is the use of the click and drag selection process which is very intuitive, but can be difficult or clumsy for absolute beginners. I teach Windows and Office to beginning students and see many of them struggling with the mouse. They have particular trouble with Drag & Drop and with Dragging to Select Text. I know its hard for most of us to remember, but the mouse takes some practice to get the hang of. Ive recently taken to recommending that students start by using the Task Pane in Windows Explorer (in XP only) for copying and moving files. They seem to achieve a much more consistent level of success with that method than with Drag & Drop. It was that, plus the Edit Menu Clear sub-menu just above Select All, that got me thinking about this solution for the problems I observed in beginners with selecting text. They often miss the period or Paragraph Mark at the end when selecting sentences or paragraphs or get too many or too few spaces, etc. This way they would reliably get a complete sentence, paragraph, etc for their copy or move. I dont think it would clutter up the Edit Menu or unduly hamper someone trying to do a Select All. Most people quickly discover Ctrl+A for that anyway. This is the only downside that I can see. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm....word.newusers |
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Change Word EditSelectAll to EditSelectSubMenu like EditClear
That should make Monte happy.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Bob Buckland ?:-)" 75214.226(At Beautiful Downtown)compuserve.com wrote in message ... Hi Suzanne, Word does have an 'Editing' group on the 'Home' tab of the ribbon. Unless you're running a screen at 1280w resolution then the Editing group will appear and act on screen in a manner similar to the 'tiered menus' they removed from the 2007 versions g) One of the Editing subgroup commands is 'Select'. "Select" in turn has a subgroup of 'Select All' 'Select Objects' 'Select Text with Similar Formatting' ======= "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Word 2007 has no Edit menu at all, so this suggestion is unlikely to be implemented in the way you suggest. Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) -- I hope this helped you, Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office system products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends LINKS for the 2007 Office System 1. Read about it, try it, or watch the movie the 2007 Microsoft Office system iinfo is at http://microsoft.com/office/preview 2. Already have 2007 Office System Beta 2? Send Microsoft your feedback (with pictures) http://sas.office.microsoft.com/ 3. Use the 2007 OfficeOnline website without Office2007 a. Install the ActiveX access control http://office.microsoft.com/search/r...XT101650581033 b. then visit http://officebeta.iponet.net |
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Change Word EditSelectAll to EditSelectSubMenu like EditClear
It adds none of the additional functionality that he was seeking in a menu.
If you were thinking that it was the Select Objects item that Bob mentioned, that turns the mouse cursor to an arrow to allow you to select drawing objects etc, like clicking on the arrow on the Drawing toolbar in Word 2003 and before, nothing more. -- Hope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... That should make Monte happy. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Bob Buckland ?:-)" 75214.226(At Beautiful Downtown)compuserve.com wrote in message ... Hi Suzanne, Word does have an 'Editing' group on the 'Home' tab of the ribbon. Unless you're running a screen at 1280w resolution then the Editing group will appear and act on screen in a manner similar to the 'tiered menus' they removed from the 2007 versions g) One of the Editing subgroup commands is 'Select'. "Select" in turn has a subgroup of 'Select All' 'Select Objects' 'Select Text with Similar Formatting' ======= "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Word 2007 has no Edit menu at all, so this suggestion is unlikely to be implemented in the way you suggest. Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) -- I hope this helped you, Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office system products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends LINKS for the 2007 Office System 1. Read about it, try it, or watch the movie the 2007 Microsoft Office system iinfo is at http://microsoft.com/office/preview 2. Already have 2007 Office System Beta 2? Send Microsoft your feedback (with pictures) http://sas.office.microsoft.com/ 3. Use the 2007 OfficeOnline website without Office2007 a. Install the ActiveX access control http://office.microsoft.com/search/r...XT101650581033 b. then visit http://officebeta.iponet.net |
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Change Word EditSelectAll to EditSelectSubMenu like EditCl
There was a time when Word came with keyboard templates that gave all this
sort of information. It's no longer practical to do that because there are some many variations of keyboard styles that one template would no longer fit all. -- Hope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP "Monte Hanrahan" wrote in message ... You didn't read my entire post. I explained my rationale in great detail, including how "multiple mouse clicks" is a part of the problem. I deliberately posted this in the NEW USERS forum because it was intended to solve a problem that new users have. Namely, that they have so many things to learn at the beginning that it is nice to have Menu items to choose from instead of simply not knowing the easy way to do something. I'm talking about real beginners, people who would hit the enter key twice at the end of each line because their term paper is supposed to be double spaced! The post from Suzanne S. Barnhill mentions that the Edit Menu is going away in Word 2007 so the whole thing may be moot anyway. I don't know how that is going to improve the product. Maybe Microsoft wants us to go back to the Wordstar days where everything was done with arcane ctrl-key combinations, just supplemented now by arcane mouse click combinations. 20 years ago everybody had little keyboard templates and cheat sheets taped to their displays so they could quickly look up how to do all those things they couldn't remember. "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote: and most of it can be done with multiple mouse clicks. -- Hope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Word 2007 has no Edit menu at all, so this suggestion is unlikely to be implemented in the way you suggest. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Monte Hanrahan" Monte wrote in message ... I've got a suggestion for a minor improvement for MS Word. It involves the Edit Menu Select All choice. You could enhance this menu item by adding a sub-menu (similar to the Clear sub-menu just above it) which gives additional choices beyond Select All, such as Select Paragraph, Select Sentence, Select Line, Select Word, Select Clause (i.e. from comma to comma/period), Select Quote (i.e. "Within quotation marks"), Select Page, etc. You could even make it context sensitive so that if the insertion point was in a table, for example, it would change to Select Cell, Select Row, Select Column, etc. I realize that there are Mouse shortcuts such as double-click, triple-click, ctrl-click, etc. to perform some of these selections. However, these are non-intuitive and can be difficult to learn (i.e. someone has to show you or you have to read it somewhere) and also to remember. I realize, as well, that there is the use of the click and drag selection process which is very intuitive, but can be difficult or clumsy for absolute beginners. I teach Windows and Office to beginning students and see many of them struggling with the mouse. They have particular trouble with Drag & Drop and with Dragging to Select Text. I know it's hard for most of us to remember, but the mouse takes some practice to get the hang of. I've recently taken to recommending that students start by using the Task Pane in Windows Explorer (in XP only) for copying and moving files. They seem to achieve a much more consistent level of success with that method than with Drag & Drop. It was that, plus the Edit Menu Clear sub-menu just above Select All, that got me thinking about this solution for the problems I observed in beginners with selecting text. They often miss the period or Paragraph Mark at the end when selecting sentences or paragraphs or get too many or too few spaces, etc. This way they would reliably get a complete sentence, paragraph, etc for their copy or move. I don't think it would clutter up the Edit Menu or unduly hamper someone trying to do a Select All. Most people quickly discover Ctrl+A for that anyway. This is the only downside that I can see. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm....word.newusers |
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