[[email protected]]

Hello,

We are implementing new styles into our firm. My question is about the
Header Styles (1,2, etc)

What is the concept with these styles having 12 pt before and 3 pt after?
Would you not want it the other way?

We are creating some firm header styles and wonder if I should use the same
paragraph spacing.

Thanks

[grammatim[_2_]]

This is a question for a graphic designer, not a question about Word.
But, as a reader, I certainly expect a heading (not header) to be
closer to what it introduces than to the text in the previous section
above it.

On Feb 18, 1:49*pm,
wrote:
Hello,

We are implementing new styles into our firm. My question is about the
Header Styles (1,2, etc)

What is the concept with these styles having 12 pt before and 3 pt after?
Would you not want it the other way?

We are creating some firm header styles and wonder if I should use the same
paragraph spacing.

Thanks

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Agreed. And if the text is double-spaced (as it often is in manuscripts)
then I increase the Spacing Before to 24 points and remove the Spacing
After. I should add that by "double-spaced," I mean, with Exact line spacing
of, say, 24 points, not using Word's "double" spacing. There is a difference
in where the extra space is added; Exact line spacing add the space above
the text, multiple spacing below. If I were actually double-spacing, I guess
I'd set 18 and 6?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"grammatim" wrote in message
...
This is a question for a graphic designer, not a question about Word.
But, as a reader, I certainly expect a heading (not header) to be
closer to what it introduces than to the text in the previous section
above it.

On Feb 18, 1:49 pm,
wrote:
Hello,

We are implementing new styles into our firm. My question is about the
Header Styles (1,2, etc)

What is the concept with these styles having 12 pt before and 3 pt after?
Would you not want it the other way?

We are creating some firm header styles and wonder if I should use the
same
paragraph spacing.

Thanks

[PamC via OfficeKB.com]

There's nothing that I know of that says there must always be 12 pts above
and 3 pts below, so I'll generalize. Some designers believe that with more
space before a heading than after, it's easier for a reader to grasp what the
heading applies to. Others like headings to have equal spacing above and
below (as was often done in typewriter copy). Having more space below the
heading than above tends to mislead the eye, and many would consider it a
design fault.

Note that if your body text (BT) paragraphs have spacing before or after, the
space after BT + the space before the Heading should be compared with the
space after the heading + the space before BT to see what the actual heading
spacing is.

PamC



wrote:
Hello,

We are implementing new styles into our firm. My question is about the
Header Styles (1,2, etc)

What is the concept with these styles having 12 pt before and 3 pt after?
Would you not want it the other way?

We are creating some firm header styles and wonder if I should use the same
paragraph spacing.

Thanks

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[Beth Melton]

Depending on the version of Word you are using (I think 97 and higher) by
default Word will only use the larger of the space before/after. So if say,
Body Text has 6 pts after and the following paragraph is a Heading style
with 12 pts before by default there won't be 18 pts of space in between, it
will be 12 pts which is the larger of the two.

The option that controls this behavior is a Compatibility option called
"Don't use HTML paragraph Auto spacing" so if you want the combined space
between then this option needs to be selected.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton
What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs

Guides for the Office 2007 Interface:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx


"PamC via OfficeKB.com" u43222@uwe wrote in message
news:91e863be6ed2f@uwe...
Note that if your body text (BT) paragraphs have spacing before or after,
the
space after BT + the space before the Heading should be compared with the
space after the heading + the space before BT to see what the actual
heading
spacing is.

PamC



wrote:
Hello,

We are implementing new styles into our firm. My question is about the
Header Styles (1,2, etc)

What is the concept with these styles having 12 pt before and 3 pt after?
Would you not want it the other way?

We are creating some firm header styles and wonder if I should use the
same
paragraph spacing.

[Stefan Blom]

I'd just like to clarify that the compatibility option was introduced in
Word 2000; in Word 97 Spacing After for a paragraph was always added to the
Spacing Before in the following paragraph.

~~~
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
Depending on the version of Word you are using (I think 97 and higher) by
default Word will only use the larger of the space before/after. So if
say, Body Text has 6 pts after and the following paragraph is a Heading
style with 12 pts before by default there won't be 18 pts of space in
between, it will be 12 pts which is the larger of the two.

The option that controls this behavior is a Compatibility option called
"Don't use HTML paragraph Auto spacing" so if you want the combined space
between then this option needs to be selected.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton
What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs

Guides for the Office 2007 Interface:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx


"PamC via OfficeKB.com" u43222@uwe wrote in message
news:91e863be6ed2f@uwe...
Note that if your body text (BT) paragraphs have spacing before or after,
the
space after BT + the space before the Heading should be compared with the
space after the heading + the space before BT to see what the actual
heading
spacing is.

PamC



wrote:
Hello,

We are implementing new styles into our firm. My question is about the
Header Styles (1,2, etc)

What is the concept with these styles having 12 pt before and 3 pt after?
Would you not want it the other way?

We are creating some firm header styles and wonder if I should use the
same
paragraph spacing.

[Beth Melton]

Thanks Stefan. I knew it was either 97 or 2000 but was too busy to try and
find it at the time. :-)

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
I'd just like to clarify that the compatibility option was introduced in
Word 2000; in Word 97 Spacing After for a paragraph was always added to
the Spacing Before in the following paragraph.


"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
Depending on the version of Word you are using (I think 97 and higher) by
default Word will only use the larger of the space before/after. So if
say, Body Text has 6 pts after and the following paragraph is a Heading
style with 12 pts before by default there won't be 18 pts of space in
between, it will be 12 pts which is the larger of the two.

The option that controls this behavior is a Compatibility option called
"Don't use HTML paragraph Auto spacing" so if you want the combined space
between then this option needs to be selected.

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton
What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs

Guides for the Office 2007 Interface:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

I remembered it was 2000 because that was the version where all sorts of
webby things were introduced (to make Word more HTML-compatible). You can
also check by setting the Compatibility to various versions and seeing what
is checked by default and what is not.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
Thanks Stefan. I knew it was either 97 or 2000 but was too busy to try and
find it at the time. :-)

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
I'd just like to clarify that the compatibility option was introduced in
Word 2000; in Word 97 Spacing After for a paragraph was always added to
the Spacing Before in the following paragraph.


"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
Depending on the version of Word you are using (I think 97 and higher)
by
default Word will only use the larger of the space before/after. So if
say, Body Text has 6 pts after and the following paragraph is a Heading
style with 12 pts before by default there won't be 18 pts of space in
between, it will be 12 pts which is the larger of the two.

The option that controls this behavior is a Compatibility option called
"Don't use HTML paragraph Auto spacing" so if you want the combined
space
between then this option needs to be selected.

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton
What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs

Guides for the Office 2007 Interface:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx

[PamC via OfficeKB.com]

Thanks, Beth, I'd forgotten about that.

Pam

Beth Melton wrote:
Depending on the version of Word you are using (I think 97 and higher) by
default Word will only use the larger of the space before/after. So if say,
Body Text has 6 pts after and the following paragraph is a Heading style
with 12 pts before by default there won't be 18 pts of space in between, it
will be 12 pts which is the larger of the two.

The option that controls this behavior is a Compatibility option called
"Don't use HTML paragraph Auto spacing" so if you want the combined space
between then this option needs to be selected.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton
What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs

Guides for the Office 2007 Interface:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx

Note that if your body text (BT) paragraphs have spacing before or after,
the
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same
paragraph spacing.

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[Dan Freeman]

Much to the detriment of both Word users and Web users, of course. g

Dan

Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
I remembered it was 2000 because that was the version where all sorts
of webby things were introduced (to make Word more HTML-compatible).
You can also check by setting the Compatibility to various versions
and seeing what is checked by default and what is not.


"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
Thanks Stefan. I knew it was either 97 or 2000 but was too busy to
try and find it at the time. :-)

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
I'd just like to clarify that the compatibility option was
introduced in Word 2000; in Word 97 Spacing After for a paragraph
was always added to the Spacing Before in the following paragraph.


"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
Depending on the version of Word you are using (I think 97 and
higher) by
default Word will only use the larger of the space before/after.
So if say, Body Text has 6 pts after and the following paragraph
is a Heading style with 12 pts before by default there won't be 18
pts of space in between, it will be 12 pts which is the larger of
the two. The option that controls this behavior is a Compatibility
option
called "Don't use HTML paragraph Auto spacing" so if you want the
combined space
between then this option needs to be selected.

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton
What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs

Guides for the Office 2007 Interface:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx

[djprius]

Suzanne,

I was interested to learn in your post that "exactly" and "multiple"
work differently as line spacing options.

Is this different placement of "space" documented by Microsoft
somewhere -- or is this based on your own observations?

Do you have any idea why they would work differently? That is, why
would MS design it so that the placement of the spacing would be
different for "Exactly 15 pt" vs. "Multiple 1.25"?

David

*********************************************

Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
Agreed. And if the text is double-spaced (as it often is in manuscripts)
then I increase the Spacing Before to 24 points and remove the Spacing
After. I should add that by "double-spaced," I mean, with Exact line spacing
of, say, 24 points, not using Word's "double" spacing. There is a difference
in where the extra space is added; Exact line spacing add the space above
the text, multiple spacing below. If I were actually double-spacing, I guess
I'd set 18 and 6?

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Agreed.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Dan Freeman" wrote in message
...
Much to the detriment of both Word users and Web users, of course. g

Dan

Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
I remembered it was 2000 because that was the version where all sorts
of webby things were introduced (to make Word more HTML-compatible).
You can also check by setting the Compatibility to various versions
and seeing what is checked by default and what is not.


"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
Thanks Stefan. I knew it was either 97 or 2000 but was too busy to
try and find it at the time. :-)

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
I'd just like to clarify that the compatibility option was
introduced in Word 2000; in Word 97 Spacing After for a paragraph
was always added to the Spacing Before in the following paragraph.


"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
Depending on the version of Word you are using (I think 97 and
higher) by
default Word will only use the larger of the space before/after.
So if say, Body Text has 6 pts after and the following paragraph
is a Heading style with 12 pts before by default there won't be 18
pts of space in between, it will be 12 pts which is the larger of
the two. The option that controls this behavior is a Compatibility
option
called "Don't use HTML paragraph Auto spacing" so if you want the
combined space
between then this option needs to be selected.

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton
What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs

Guides for the Office 2007 Interface:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

I guess this is my own observation. Note, however, that there are also some
Compatibility Options that relate to this: one of them is "Don't center
'exact line height' lines," which I really don't understand, since it
doesn't appear to me that they're centered to begin with. In fact, the
effect of this seems to be to move the spacing from above the text to below;
in neither case is it "centered."

There are also settings for "Suppress extra line spacing at bottom/top of
page," which refer to Exact and Multiple spacing as opposed to Spacing
Before/After, which is automatically suppressed (except in the circumstances
previously discussed).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"djprius" wrote in message
...
Suzanne,

I was interested to learn in your post that "exactly" and "multiple" work
differently as line spacing options.

Is this different placement of "space" documented by Microsoft
somewhere -- or is this based on your own observations?

Do you have any idea why they would work differently? That is, why would
MS design it so that the placement of the spacing would be different for
"Exactly 15 pt" vs. "Multiple 1.25"?

David

*********************************************

Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
Agreed. And if the text is double-spaced (as it often is in manuscripts)
then I increase the Spacing Before to 24 points and remove the Spacing
After. I should add that by "double-spaced," I mean, with Exact line
spacing of, say, 24 points, not using Word's "double" spacing. There is a
difference in where the extra space is added; Exact line spacing add the
space above the text, multiple spacing below. If I were actually
double-spacing, I guess I'd set 18 and 6?

[Stefan Blom]

I remember that particular compatibility option because it was very
difficult to figure out what it actually means. :-)

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
I remembered it was 2000 because that was the version where all sorts of
webby things were introduced (to make Word more HTML-compatible). You can
also check by setting the Compatibility to various versions and seeing what
is checked by default and what is not.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
Thanks Stefan. I knew it was either 97 or 2000 but was too busy to try
and find it at the time. :-)

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
I'd just like to clarify that the compatibility option was introduced in
Word 2000; in Word 97 Spacing After for a paragraph was always added to
the Spacing Before in the following paragraph.


"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
Depending on the version of Word you are using (I think 97 and higher)
by
default Word will only use the larger of the space before/after. So if
say, Body Text has 6 pts after and the following paragraph is a Heading
style with 12 pts before by default there won't be 18 pts of space in
between, it will be 12 pts which is the larger of the two.

The option that controls this behavior is a Compatibility option called
"Don't use HTML paragraph Auto spacing" so if you want the combined
space
between then this option needs to be selected.

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton
What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs

Guides for the Office 2007 Interface:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

I remember it because I didn't encounter it till Word 2002 (having skipped
2000), and by the time I encountered the problem (and couldn't figure out
why I wasn't getting the additive spacing I expected), other Word MVPs were
fully up to speed and could point me to the right option to change. That's
the *only* "custom" setting I have in Word 2003 Compatibility Options, I
think.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
I remember that particular compatibility option because it was very
difficult to figure out what it actually means. :-)

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
I remembered it was 2000 because that was the version where all sorts of
webby things were introduced (to make Word more HTML-compatible). You can
also check by setting the Compatibility to various versions and seeing
what
is checked by default and what is not.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
Thanks Stefan. I knew it was either 97 or 2000 but was too busy to try
and find it at the time. :-)

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
I'd just like to clarify that the compatibility option was introduced
in
Word 2000; in Word 97 Spacing After for a paragraph was always added to
the Spacing Before in the following paragraph.


"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
Depending on the version of Word you are using (I think 97 and higher)
by
default Word will only use the larger of the space before/after. So if
say, Body Text has 6 pts after and the following paragraph is a
Heading
style with 12 pts before by default there won't be 18 pts of space in
between, it will be 12 pts which is the larger of the two.

The option that controls this behavior is a Compatibility option
called
"Don't use HTML paragraph Auto spacing" so if you want the combined
space
between then this option needs to be selected.

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton
What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs

Guides for the Office 2007 Interface:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx