[Andy]

I am using Word 2003 to compile a dictionary of films and am trying to put
the film titles in the header on each page.

For instance, on a page listing Godfather 1, 2 and 3, I am trying to get the
header to read Godfather 1 - Godfather 3. I have set all the titles as
Heading 2, and have used two StyleRef calls, one for the top of the page and
one for the bottom: everything seems to work smoothly.

The problem that I am having is that on a page which only has one film,
Godzilla, the header then reads Godzilla - Godzilla. Is there some way of
checking the last heading against the first on the page, and if they are the
same, supressing the second StyleRef entry? Or do I have to go through all
the pages that have only one heading, and manually remove the second StyleRef
entry?

Would appreciate any help; and sorry if I'm not being particularly clear.

Thanks!

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

I don't think there's any easy way to do this, and if you're using
"dictionary-style" headings, I wouldn't advise it, as consistency (even when
it is redundant) is preferable to unpredictability.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Andy" wrote in message
news
I am using Word 2003 to compile a dictionary of films and am trying to put
the film titles in the header on each page.

For instance, on a page listing Godfather 1, 2 and 3, I am trying to get
the
header to read Godfather 1 - Godfather 3. I have set all the titles as
Heading 2, and have used two StyleRef calls, one for the top of the page
and
one for the bottom: everything seems to work smoothly.

The problem that I am having is that on a page which only has one film,
Godzilla, the header then reads Godzilla - Godzilla. Is there some way of
checking the last heading against the first on the page, and if they are
the
same, supressing the second StyleRef entry? Or do I have to go through all
the pages that have only one heading, and manually remove the second
StyleRef
entry?

Would appreciate any help; and sorry if I'm not being particularly clear.

Thanks!

[qumranandy]

My dictionary is formatted as one big table with three columns - the Greek
words at left in Greek alphabetical order, the biblical Hebrew phrase
including the material which the Greek word helps translate at the right, and
in the middle is the Greek phrase that translates the Hebrew if the
translation is not exact. How can I get the dictionary headers at the top?
(First Greek word and last Greek word on the page).
Fincke


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I don't think there's any easy way to do this, and if you're using
"dictionary-style" headings, I wouldn't advise it, as consistency (even when
it is redundant) is preferable to unpredictability.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Andy" wrote in message
news
I am using Word 2003 to compile a dictionary of films and am trying to put
the film titles in the header on each page.

For instance, on a page listing Godfather 1, 2 and 3, I am trying to get
the
header to read Godfather 1 - Godfather 3. I have set all the titles as
Heading 2, and have used two StyleRef calls, one for the top of the page
and
one for the bottom: everything seems to work smoothly.

The problem that I am having is that on a page which only has one film,
Godzilla, the header then reads Godzilla - Godzilla. Is there some way of
checking the last heading against the first on the page, and if they are
the
same, supressing the second StyleRef entry? Or do I have to go through all
the pages that have only one heading, and manually remove the second
StyleRef
entry?

Would appreciate any help; and sorry if I'm not being particularly clear.

Thanks!

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Have you read the Help topic about dictionary-style headings using the
StyleRef field? You would need to use different styles for the Greek and
Hebrew words and use the StyleRef field to reference them.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in message
...
My dictionary is formatted as one big table with three columns - the
Greek
words at left in Greek alphabetical order, the biblical Hebrew phrase
including the material which the Greek word helps translate at the
right, and
in the middle is the Greek phrase that translates the Hebrew if the
translation is not exact. How can I get the dictionary headers at the
top?
(First Greek word and last Greek word on the page).
Fincke


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I don't think there's any easy way to do this, and if you're using
"dictionary-style" headings, I wouldn't advise it, as consistency (even
when
it is redundant) is preferable to unpredictability.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Andy" wrote in message
news
I am using Word 2003 to compile a dictionary of films and am trying to
put
the film titles in the header on each page.

For instance, on a page listing Godfather 1, 2 and 3, I am trying to
get
the
header to read Godfather 1 - Godfather 3. I have set all the titles as
Heading 2, and have used two StyleRef calls, one for the top of the
page
and
one for the bottom: everything seems to work smoothly.

The problem that I am having is that on a page which only has one
film,
Godzilla, the header then reads Godzilla - Godzilla. Is there some way
of
checking the last heading against the first on the page, and if they
are
the
same, supressing the second StyleRef entry? Or do I have to go through
all
the pages that have only one heading, and manually remove the second
StyleRef
entry?

Would appreciate any help; and sorry if I'm not being particularly
clear.

Thanks!

[qumranandy]

Yep. And it doesn't matter if the entries are all part of a table?

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Have you read the Help topic about dictionary-style headings using the
StyleRef field? You would need to use different styles for the Greek and
Hebrew words and use the StyleRef field to reference them.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in message
...
My dictionary is formatted as one big table with three columns - the
Greek
words at left in Greek alphabetical order, the biblical Hebrew phrase
including the material which the Greek word helps translate at the
right, and
in the middle is the Greek phrase that translates the Hebrew if the
translation is not exact. How can I get the dictionary headers at the
top?
(First Greek word and last Greek word on the page).
Fincke


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I don't think there's any easy way to do this, and if you're using
"dictionary-style" headings, I wouldn't advise it, as consistency (even
when
it is redundant) is preferable to unpredictability.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Andy" wrote in message
news I am using Word 2003 to compile a dictionary of films and am trying to
put
the film titles in the header on each page.

For instance, on a page listing Godfather 1, 2 and 3, I am trying to
get
the
header to read Godfather 1 - Godfather 3. I have set all the titles as
Heading 2, and have used two StyleRef calls, one for the top of the
page
and
one for the bottom: everything seems to work smoothly.

The problem that I am having is that on a page which only has one
film,
Godzilla, the header then reads Godzilla - Godzilla. Is there some way
of
checking the last heading against the first on the page, and if they
are
the
same, supressing the second StyleRef entry? Or do I have to go through
all
the pages that have only one heading, and manually remove the second
StyleRef
entry?

Would appreciate any help; and sorry if I'm not being particularly
clear.

Thanks!

[qumranandy]

Dear Suzanne,
It seems that I have to reformat the whole document - remove the table and
use paragraph formatting. Could you run that through with me for four
columns of listings? 1) I type the Greek word then TAB, then the Hebrew
sentence, then TAB, then the verse number, then TAB, then the Herbrew word
that corresponds to the Greek word in column one. The Greek words in column
one (but there are no more columns, since the table is gone) must have some
kind of style name (special font, font-size), that the header reads off to
make the header. Sounds like a mess.


"qumranandy" wrote:

Yep. And it doesn't matter if the entries are all part of a table?

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Have you read the Help topic about dictionary-style headings using the
StyleRef field? You would need to use different styles for the Greek and
Hebrew words and use the StyleRef field to reference them.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in message
...
My dictionary is formatted as one big table with three columns - the
Greek
words at left in Greek alphabetical order, the biblical Hebrew phrase
including the material which the Greek word helps translate at the
right, and
in the middle is the Greek phrase that translates the Hebrew if the
translation is not exact. How can I get the dictionary headers at the
top?
(First Greek word and last Greek word on the page).
Fincke


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I don't think there's any easy way to do this, and if you're using
"dictionary-style" headings, I wouldn't advise it, as consistency (even
when
it is redundant) is preferable to unpredictability.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Andy" wrote in message
news I am using Word 2003 to compile a dictionary of films and am trying to
put
the film titles in the header on each page.

For instance, on a page listing Godfather 1, 2 and 3, I am trying to
get
the
header to read Godfather 1 - Godfather 3. I have set all the titles as
Heading 2, and have used two StyleRef calls, one for the top of the
page
and
one for the bottom: everything seems to work smoothly.

The problem that I am having is that on a page which only has one
film,
Godzilla, the header then reads Godzilla - Godzilla. Is there some way
of
checking the last heading against the first on the page, and if they
are
the
same, supressing the second StyleRef entry? Or do I have to go through
all
the pages that have only one heading, and manually remove the second
StyleRef
entry?

Would appreciate any help; and sorry if I'm not being particularly
clear.

Thanks!

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

I see no reason why this should not work with a table. If you apply a given
style to the Greek words and a StyleRef field for that style and a different
style for the Hebrew words and a StyleRef \l field for that style, it should
work as you wish. Note that you can define character styles as Default
Paragraph Font + Language: Greek and Default Paragraph Font + Language:
Hebrew and apply them to the entire corresponding columns. They don't
actually have to have any different formatting (language or otherwise)--just
different names, and of course they could be paragraph styles as well, since
each table cell is presumably a paragraph.

I actually tried this, and in fact, although I tried to add language
formatting, it didn't work (perhaps because I don't have proofing tools
installed for Greek or Hebrew; I can add French or Spanish to a character
style), but the important thing is the style name. In any case, when I
applied the Greek style to the first column and the Hebrew style to the last
column, I had no difficulty picking up the content of the first (Greek) cell
on a page with one StyleRef field and the last (Hebrew) cell on the page
with a StyleRef \l field.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in message
...
Dear Suzanne,
It seems that I have to reformat the whole document - remove the table and
use paragraph formatting. Could you run that through with me for four
columns of listings? 1) I type the Greek word then TAB, then the Hebrew
sentence, then TAB, then the verse number, then TAB, then the Herbrew word
that corresponds to the Greek word in column one. The Greek words in
column
one (but there are no more columns, since the table is gone) must have
some
kind of style name (special font, font-size), that the header reads off to
make the header. Sounds like a mess.


"qumranandy" wrote:

Yep. And it doesn't matter if the entries are all part of a table?

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Have you read the Help topic about dictionary-style headings using the
StyleRef field? You would need to use different styles for the Greek
and
Hebrew words and use the StyleRef field to reference them.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in message
...
My dictionary is formatted as one big table with three columns -
the
Greek
words at left in Greek alphabetical order, the biblical Hebrew
phrase
including the material which the Greek word helps translate at
the
right, and
in the middle is the Greek phrase that translates the Hebrew if
the
translation is not exact. How can I get the dictionary headers
at the
top?
(First Greek word and last Greek word on the page).
Fincke


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I don't think there's any easy way to do this, and if you're using
"dictionary-style" headings, I wouldn't advise it, as consistency
(even
when
it is redundant) is preferable to unpredictability.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Andy" wrote in message
news I am using Word 2003 to compile a dictionary of films and am
trying to
put
the film titles in the header on each page.

For instance, on a page listing Godfather 1, 2 and 3, I am
trying to
get
the
header to read Godfather 1 - Godfather 3. I have set all the
titles as
Heading 2, and have used two StyleRef calls, one for the top of
the
page
and
one for the bottom: everything seems to work smoothly.

The problem that I am having is that on a page which only has
one
film,
Godzilla, the header then reads Godzilla - Godzilla. Is there
some way
of
checking the last heading against the first on the page, and if
they
are
the
same, supressing the second StyleRef entry? Or do I have to go
through
all
the pages that have only one heading, and manually remove the
second
StyleRef
entry?

Would appreciate any help; and sorry if I'm not being
particularly
clear.

Thanks!

[qumranandy]

Thanks, Suzanne. Your post encouraged me to use WORD help "Create a
dictionary-style header" and "Create a new style", and it worked. I made a
new document of a three-column table with all Greek (unicode) in column 1 and
all Hebrew in column 3. The document is one page + 3 table rows long. The
range of Greek words for each page appears in the header of the page.
Perhaps word help needs to be revised to include your "I see no reason why
this should not work with a table".

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I see no reason why this should not work with a table. If you apply a given
style to the Greek words and a StyleRef field for that style and a different
style for the Hebrew words and a StyleRef \l field for that style, it should
work as you wish. Note that you can define character styles as Default
Paragraph Font + Language: Greek and Default Paragraph Font + Language:
Hebrew and apply them to the entire corresponding columns. They don't
actually have to have any different formatting (language or otherwise)--just
different names, and of course they could be paragraph styles as well, since
each table cell is presumably a paragraph.

I actually tried this, and in fact, although I tried to add language
formatting, it didn't work (perhaps because I don't have proofing tools
installed for Greek or Hebrew; I can add French or Spanish to a character
style), but the important thing is the style name. In any case, when I
applied the Greek style to the first column and the Hebrew style to the last
column, I had no difficulty picking up the content of the first (Greek) cell
on a page with one StyleRef field and the last (Hebrew) cell on the page
with a StyleRef \l field.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in message
...
Dear Suzanne,
It seems that I have to reformat the whole document - remove the table and
use paragraph formatting. Could you run that through with me for four
columns of listings? 1) I type the Greek word then TAB, then the Hebrew
sentence, then TAB, then the verse number, then TAB, then the Herbrew word
that corresponds to the Greek word in column one. The Greek words in
column
one (but there are no more columns, since the table is gone) must have
some
kind of style name (special font, font-size), that the header reads off to
make the header. Sounds like a mess.


"qumranandy" wrote:

Yep. And it doesn't matter if the entries are all part of a table?

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Have you read the Help topic about dictionary-style headings using the
StyleRef field? You would need to use different styles for the Greek
and
Hebrew words and use the StyleRef field to reference them.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in message
...
My dictionary is formatted as one big table with three columns -
the
Greek
words at left in Greek alphabetical order, the biblical Hebrew
phrase
including the material which the Greek word helps translate at
the
right, and
in the middle is the Greek phrase that translates the Hebrew if
the
translation is not exact. How can I get the dictionary headers
at the
top?
(First Greek word and last Greek word on the page).
Fincke


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I don't think there's any easy way to do this, and if you're using
"dictionary-style" headings, I wouldn't advise it, as consistency
(even
when
it is redundant) is preferable to unpredictability.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Andy" wrote in message
news I am using Word 2003 to compile a dictionary of films and am
trying to
put
the film titles in the header on each page.

For instance, on a page listing Godfather 1, 2 and 3, I am
trying to
get
the
header to read Godfather 1 - Godfather 3. I have set all the
titles as
Heading 2, and have used two StyleRef calls, one for the top of
the
page
and
one for the bottom: everything seems to work smoothly.

The problem that I am having is that on a page which only has
one
film,
Godzilla, the header then reads Godzilla - Godzilla. Is there
some way
of
checking the last heading against the first on the page, and if
they
are
the
same, supressing the second StyleRef entry? Or do I have to go
through
all
the pages that have only one heading, and manually remove the
second
StyleRef
entry?

Would appreciate any help; and sorry if I'm not being
particularly
clear.

Thanks!

[qumranandy]

How about this, Suzanne? I want the Greek words to appear as described, but
in the header I want the English translations to appear. I.e., if the first
Greek word on the page is PAIDOS ("boy") and the last is AGAPH ("love") I
want the header for the page to read "Boy - Love". I don't want "Boy" and
"Love" to appear in the print version of the list in the Greek column. That
is, I want the English correspondences to be hidden tags that only appear in
the header. I do something similar to this with my Biblical index, where I
have to tag each Biblical reference in such a way that in the index the
Biblical books appear in order: Genesis - Exodus etc., not Amos-Barnabas etc.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I see no reason why this should not work with a table. If you apply a given
style to the Greek words and a StyleRef field for that style and a different
style for the Hebrew words and a StyleRef \l field for that style, it should
work as you wish. Note that you can define character styles as Default
Paragraph Font + Language: Greek and Default Paragraph Font + Language:
Hebrew and apply them to the entire corresponding columns. They don't
actually have to have any different formatting (language or otherwise)--just
different names, and of course they could be paragraph styles as well, since
each table cell is presumably a paragraph.

I actually tried this, and in fact, although I tried to add language
formatting, it didn't work (perhaps because I don't have proofing tools
installed for Greek or Hebrew; I can add French or Spanish to a character
style), but the important thing is the style name. In any case, when I
applied the Greek style to the first column and the Hebrew style to the last
column, I had no difficulty picking up the content of the first (Greek) cell
on a page with one StyleRef field and the last (Hebrew) cell on the page
with a StyleRef \l field.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in message
...
Dear Suzanne,
It seems that I have to reformat the whole document - remove the table and
use paragraph formatting. Could you run that through with me for four
columns of listings? 1) I type the Greek word then TAB, then the Hebrew
sentence, then TAB, then the verse number, then TAB, then the Herbrew word
that corresponds to the Greek word in column one. The Greek words in
column
one (but there are no more columns, since the table is gone) must have
some
kind of style name (special font, font-size), that the header reads off to
make the header. Sounds like a mess.


"qumranandy" wrote:

Yep. And it doesn't matter if the entries are all part of a table?

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Have you read the Help topic about dictionary-style headings using the
StyleRef field? You would need to use different styles for the Greek
and
Hebrew words and use the StyleRef field to reference them.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in message
...
My dictionary is formatted as one big table with three columns -
the
Greek
words at left in Greek alphabetical order, the biblical Hebrew
phrase
including the material which the Greek word helps translate at
the
right, and
in the middle is the Greek phrase that translates the Hebrew if
the
translation is not exact. How can I get the dictionary headers
at the
top?
(First Greek word and last Greek word on the page).
Fincke


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I don't think there's any easy way to do this, and if you're using
"dictionary-style" headings, I wouldn't advise it, as consistency
(even
when
it is redundant) is preferable to unpredictability.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Andy" wrote in message
news I am using Word 2003 to compile a dictionary of films and am
trying to
put
the film titles in the header on each page.

For instance, on a page listing Godfather 1, 2 and 3, I am
trying to
get
the
header to read Godfather 1 - Godfather 3. I have set all the
titles as
Heading 2, and have used two StyleRef calls, one for the top of
the
page
and
one for the bottom: everything seems to work smoothly.

The problem that I am having is that on a page which only has
one
film,
Godzilla, the header then reads Godzilla - Godzilla. Is there
some way
of
checking the last heading against the first on the page, and if
they
are
the
same, supressing the second StyleRef entry? Or do I have to go
through
all
the pages that have only one heading, and manually remove the
second
StyleRef
entry?

Would appreciate any help; and sorry if I'm not being
particularly
clear.

Thanks!

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Now you're asking for the pretty much impossible, I think. The problem is
that the *only* direct formatting that a StyleRef field will pick up is
Hidden formatting, so you can't insert the English word as Hidden text.
(This is something the Word MVPs have asked the Word developers to change,
but the request has not yet been granted.)

Something that does work but would be extremely difficult to maintain is
this:

1. Add a fourth column in which you type the English words, formatted with a
distinctive style.

2. Add the appropriate StyleRef fields in your header to pick up the first
and last instances of this word.

3. When you have finished typing all the English words (and won't need to
access the column again), access Table Properties and make these changes:

a. If you haven't done so already, disable auto resizing for the table
(Table tab, Options).

b. Select the English column, click Options on the Cell tab and set the
left and right cell margins to 0". Clear the check box for "Wrap text" and
check the one for "Fit text" (even so, you may have to define exact row
heights to make this work).

c. On the Cell tab and the Column tab, set Cell/Column width to 0".

This *does* work, but I think you'd find it quite difficult to adjust the
other column widths without making a hash of the table. The table is
actually more or less unusable after you've done this, I find. It's too bad
Word doesn't have a provision for hiding columns as Excel does.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in message
...
How about this, Suzanne? I want the Greek words to appear as described,
but
in the header I want the English translations to appear. I.e., if the
first
Greek word on the page is PAIDOS ("boy") and the last is AGAPH ("love") I
want the header for the page to read "Boy - Love". I don't want "Boy" and
"Love" to appear in the print version of the list in the Greek column.
That
is, I want the English correspondences to be hidden tags that only appear
in
the header. I do something similar to this with my Biblical index, where
I
have to tag each Biblical reference in such a way that in the index the
Biblical books appear in order: Genesis - Exodus etc., not Amos-Barnabas
etc.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I see no reason why this should not work with a table. If you apply a
given
style to the Greek words and a StyleRef field for that style and a
different
style for the Hebrew words and a StyleRef \l field for that style, it
should
work as you wish. Note that you can define character styles as Default
Paragraph Font + Language: Greek and Default Paragraph Font + Language:
Hebrew and apply them to the entire corresponding columns. They don't
actually have to have any different formatting (language or
otherwise)--just
different names, and of course they could be paragraph styles as well,
since
each table cell is presumably a paragraph.

I actually tried this, and in fact, although I tried to add language
formatting, it didn't work (perhaps because I don't have proofing tools
installed for Greek or Hebrew; I can add French or Spanish to a
character
style), but the important thing is the style name. In any case, when I
applied the Greek style to the first column and the Hebrew style to the
last
column, I had no difficulty picking up the content of the first (Greek)
cell
on a page with one StyleRef field and the last (Hebrew) cell on the page
with a StyleRef \l field.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in message
...
Dear Suzanne,
It seems that I have to reformat the whole document - remove the table
and
use paragraph formatting. Could you run that through with me for four
columns of listings? 1) I type the Greek word then TAB, then the
Hebrew
sentence, then TAB, then the verse number, then TAB, then the Herbrew
word
that corresponds to the Greek word in column one. The Greek words in
column
one (but there are no more columns, since the table is gone) must have
some
kind of style name (special font, font-size), that the header reads
off to
make the header. Sounds like a mess.


"qumranandy" wrote:

Yep. And it doesn't matter if the entries are all part of a table?

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Have you read the Help topic about dictionary-style headings using
the
StyleRef field? You would need to use different styles for the
Greek
and
Hebrew words and use the StyleRef field to reference them.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in
message
...
My dictionary is formatted as one big table with three
columns -
the
Greek
words at left in Greek alphabetical order, the biblical
Hebrew
phrase
including the material which the Greek word helps translate
at
the
right, and
in the middle is the Greek phrase that translates the Hebrew
if
the
translation is not exact. How can I get the dictionary
headers
at the
top?
(First Greek word and last Greek word on the page).
Fincke


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I don't think there's any easy way to do this, and if you're
using
"dictionary-style" headings, I wouldn't advise it, as
consistency
(even
when
it is redundant) is preferable to unpredictability.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to
the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Andy" wrote in message
news I am using Word 2003 to compile a dictionary of films and am
trying to
put
the film titles in the header on each page.

For instance, on a page listing Godfather 1, 2 and 3, I am
trying to
get
the
header to read Godfather 1 - Godfather 3. I have set all the
titles as
Heading 2, and have used two StyleRef calls, one for the top
of
the
page
and
one for the bottom: everything seems to work smoothly.

The problem that I am having is that on a page which only
has
one
film,
Godzilla, the header then reads Godzilla - Godzilla. Is
there
some way
of
checking the last heading against the first on the page, and
if
they
are
the
same, supressing the second StyleRef entry? Or do I have to
go
through
all
the pages that have only one heading, and manually remove
the
second
StyleRef
entry?

Would appreciate any help; and sorry if I'm not being
particularly
clear.

Thanks!

[qumranandy]

Ok, Suzanne. Before I try this, consider this:
I'm publishing the reconstruction of a scroll of 1-2 Samuel in Hebrew, and
the left-column entries in the document, which is nothing but a 2-column
table, are so: 24,5, 24,6 etc. with "24" column number of the scroll and "6"
line number (ancient scrolls were in lined columns rolled around two rods).
In the right table-column is information about a word in the line. There can
be between zero entries and 30 (?)per scroll-line. If I switch the left
table-column from line numbers of the scroll to verse numbers of the Bible, I
would have at each row the verse in which the word appears, so 15:6, 15:7
etc. for 1 Samuel 15:6, 15:7 etc. In the header I would have "1 Samuel" and
"through" as constants with fields for the first verse on the page and last
verse. Problem is, when I reach 2 Samuel somewhere in the middle how do I
change my constant to "2 Samuel" in the header? Question 2: You solved the
dictionary header for the table with one sour note: It only works if every
cell in the left-column is full. If I've got five lines of information in
the right column for one Greek word in the left, I prefer to leave the
left-column blank, until a new Greek word comes up. Or, in the case of what
was just discussed, until a new verse comes up - that is type "15:6" in the
left-column but then have ten blank left cells until "15:7" begins - and
still get my dictionary header.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Now you're asking for the pretty much impossible, I think. The problem is
that the *only* direct formatting that a StyleRef field will pick up is
Hidden formatting, so you can't insert the English word as Hidden text.
(This is something the Word MVPs have asked the Word developers to change,
but the request has not yet been granted.)

Something that does work but would be extremely difficult to maintain is
this:

1. Add a fourth column in which you type the English words, formatted with a
distinctive style.

2. Add the appropriate StyleRef fields in your header to pick up the first
and last instances of this word.

3. When you have finished typing all the English words (and won't need to
access the column again), access Table Properties and make these changes:

a. If you haven't done so already, disable auto resizing for the table
(Table tab, Options).

b. Select the English column, click Options on the Cell tab and set the
left and right cell margins to 0". Clear the check box for "Wrap text" and
check the one for "Fit text" (even so, you may have to define exact row
heights to make this work).

c. On the Cell tab and the Column tab, set Cell/Column width to 0".

This *does* work, but I think you'd find it quite difficult to adjust the
other column widths without making a hash of the table. The table is
actually more or less unusable after you've done this, I find. It's too bad
Word doesn't have a provision for hiding columns as Excel does.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in message
...
How about this, Suzanne? I want the Greek words to appear as described,
but
in the header I want the English translations to appear. I.e., if the
first
Greek word on the page is PAIDOS ("boy") and the last is AGAPH ("love") I
want the header for the page to read "Boy - Love". I don't want "Boy" and
"Love" to appear in the print version of the list in the Greek column.
That
is, I want the English correspondences to be hidden tags that only appear
in
the header. I do something similar to this with my Biblical index, where
I
have to tag each Biblical reference in such a way that in the index the
Biblical books appear in order: Genesis - Exodus etc., not Amos-Barnabas
etc.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I see no reason why this should not work with a table. If you apply a
given
style to the Greek words and a StyleRef field for that style and a
different
style for the Hebrew words and a StyleRef \l field for that style, it
should
work as you wish. Note that you can define character styles as Default
Paragraph Font + Language: Greek and Default Paragraph Font + Language:
Hebrew and apply them to the entire corresponding columns. They don't
actually have to have any different formatting (language or
otherwise)--just
different names, and of course they could be paragraph styles as well,
since
each table cell is presumably a paragraph.

I actually tried this, and in fact, although I tried to add language
formatting, it didn't work (perhaps because I don't have proofing tools
installed for Greek or Hebrew; I can add French or Spanish to a
character
style), but the important thing is the style name. In any case, when I
applied the Greek style to the first column and the Hebrew style to the
last
column, I had no difficulty picking up the content of the first (Greek)
cell
on a page with one StyleRef field and the last (Hebrew) cell on the page
with a StyleRef \l field.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in message
...
Dear Suzanne,
It seems that I have to reformat the whole document - remove the table
and
use paragraph formatting. Could you run that through with me for four
columns of listings? 1) I type the Greek word then TAB, then the
Hebrew
sentence, then TAB, then the verse number, then TAB, then the Herbrew
word
that corresponds to the Greek word in column one. The Greek words in
column
one (but there are no more columns, since the table is gone) must have
some
kind of style name (special font, font-size), that the header reads
off to
make the header. Sounds like a mess.


"qumranandy" wrote:

Yep. And it doesn't matter if the entries are all part of a table?

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Have you read the Help topic about dictionary-style headings using
the
StyleRef field? You would need to use different styles for the
Greek
and
Hebrew words and use the StyleRef field to reference them.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in
message
...
My dictionary is formatted as one big table with three
columns -
the
Greek
words at left in Greek alphabetical order, the biblical
Hebrew
phrase
including the material which the Greek word helps translate
at
the
right, and
in the middle is the Greek phrase that translates the Hebrew
if
the
translation is not exact. How can I get the dictionary
headers
at the
top?
(First Greek word and last Greek word on the page).
Fincke


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I don't think there's any easy way to do this, and if you're
using
"dictionary-style" headings, I wouldn't advise it, as
consistency
(even
when
it is redundant) is preferable to unpredictability.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to
the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Andy" wrote in message
news I am using Word 2003 to compile a dictionary of films and am
trying to
put
the film titles in the header on each page.

For instance, on a page listing Godfather 1, 2 and 3, I am
trying to
get
the
header to read Godfather 1 - Godfather 3. I have set all the
titles as
Heading 2, and have used two StyleRef calls, one for the top
of
the
page
and
one for the bottom: everything seems to work smoothly.

The problem that I am having is that on a page which only
has
one
film,
Godzilla, the header then reads Godzilla - Godzilla. Is
there
some way
of
checking the last heading against the first on the page, and
if
they
are
the
same, supressing the second StyleRef entry? Or do I have to
go
through
all
the pages that have only one heading, and manually remove
the
second
StyleRef
entry?

Would appreciate any help; and sorry if I'm not being
particularly
clear.

Thanks!

[qumranandy]

You're right, Suzanne. That's a nogo - squunching the column to nothing.
The problem now is to get the first cell at the top of a page (assuming it is
blank, since it repeats what was already written) to access the information
from the last non-empty cell of the previous page and load it automatically
so that it both appears on the new page and gets inserted into the header for
that page. I used to do that all the time in my programming days for the
insurance company. But the puchcard era is over, and now the solution is
built into the software. Correct?
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Now you're asking for the pretty much impossible, I think. The problem is
that the *only* direct formatting that a StyleRef field will pick up is
Hidden formatting, so you can't insert the English word as Hidden text.
(This is something the Word MVPs have asked the Word developers to change,
but the request has not yet been granted.)

Something that does work but would be extremely difficult to maintain is
this:

1. Add a fourth column in which you type the English words, formatted with a
distinctive style.

2. Add the appropriate StyleRef fields in your header to pick up the first
and last instances of this word.

3. When you have finished typing all the English words (and won't need to
access the column again), access Table Properties and make these changes:

a. If you haven't done so already, disable auto resizing for the table
(Table tab, Options).

b. Select the English column, click Options on the Cell tab and set the
left and right cell margins to 0". Clear the check box for "Wrap text" and
check the one for "Fit text" (even so, you may have to define exact row
heights to make this work).

c. On the Cell tab and the Column tab, set Cell/Column width to 0".

This *does* work, but I think you'd find it quite difficult to adjust the
other column widths without making a hash of the table. The table is
actually more or less unusable after you've done this, I find. It's too bad
Word doesn't have a provision for hiding columns as Excel does.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in message
...
How about this, Suzanne? I want the Greek words to appear as described,
but
in the header I want the English translations to appear. I.e., if the
first
Greek word on the page is PAIDOS ("boy") and the last is AGAPH ("love") I
want the header for the page to read "Boy - Love". I don't want "Boy" and
"Love" to appear in the print version of the list in the Greek column.
That
is, I want the English correspondences to be hidden tags that only appear
in
the header. I do something similar to this with my Biblical index, where
I
have to tag each Biblical reference in such a way that in the index the
Biblical books appear in order: Genesis - Exodus etc., not Amos-Barnabas
etc.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I see no reason why this should not work with a table. If you apply a
given
style to the Greek words and a StyleRef field for that style and a
different
style for the Hebrew words and a StyleRef \l field for that style, it
should
work as you wish. Note that you can define character styles as Default
Paragraph Font + Language: Greek and Default Paragraph Font + Language:
Hebrew and apply them to the entire corresponding columns. They don't
actually have to have any different formatting (language or
otherwise)--just
different names, and of course they could be paragraph styles as well,
since
each table cell is presumably a paragraph.

I actually tried this, and in fact, although I tried to add language
formatting, it didn't work (perhaps because I don't have proofing tools
installed for Greek or Hebrew; I can add French or Spanish to a
character
style), but the important thing is the style name. In any case, when I
applied the Greek style to the first column and the Hebrew style to the
last
column, I had no difficulty picking up the content of the first (Greek)
cell
on a page with one StyleRef field and the last (Hebrew) cell on the page
with a StyleRef \l field.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in message
...
Dear Suzanne,
It seems that I have to reformat the whole document - remove the table
and
use paragraph formatting. Could you run that through with me for four
columns of listings? 1) I type the Greek word then TAB, then the
Hebrew
sentence, then TAB, then the verse number, then TAB, then the Herbrew
word
that corresponds to the Greek word in column one. The Greek words in
column
one (but there are no more columns, since the table is gone) must have
some
kind of style name (special font, font-size), that the header reads
off to
make the header. Sounds like a mess.


"qumranandy" wrote:

Yep. And it doesn't matter if the entries are all part of a table?

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Have you read the Help topic about dictionary-style headings using
the
StyleRef field? You would need to use different styles for the
Greek
and
Hebrew words and use the StyleRef field to reference them.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in
message
...
My dictionary is formatted as one big table with three
columns -
the
Greek
words at left in Greek alphabetical order, the biblical
Hebrew
phrase
including the material which the Greek word helps translate
at
the
right, and
in the middle is the Greek phrase that translates the Hebrew
if
the
translation is not exact. How can I get the dictionary
headers
at the
top?
(First Greek word and last Greek word on the page).
Fincke


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I don't think there's any easy way to do this, and if you're
using
"dictionary-style" headings, I wouldn't advise it, as
consistency
(even
when
it is redundant) is preferable to unpredictability.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to
the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Andy" wrote in message
news I am using Word 2003 to compile a dictionary of films and am
trying to
put
the film titles in the header on each page.

For instance, on a page listing Godfather 1, 2 and 3, I am
trying to
get
the
header to read Godfather 1 - Godfather 3. I have set all the
titles as
Heading 2, and have used two StyleRef calls, one for the top
of
the
page
and
one for the bottom: everything seems to work smoothly.

The problem that I am having is that on a page which only
has
one
film,
Godzilla, the header then reads Godzilla - Godzilla. Is
there
some way
of
checking the last heading against the first on the page, and
if
they
are
the
same, supressing the second StyleRef entry? Or do I have to
go
through
all
the pages that have only one heading, and manually remove
the
second
StyleRef
entry?

Would appreciate any help; and sorry if I'm not being
particularly
clear.

Thanks!

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

The StyleRef that reads the first cell should be searching backward and
*should* reflect the most recent occurence of a style. Is it not doing this?
Make sure that you don't have the style applied to empty cells, as that will
generate an empty field. When a cell is empty, substitute Normal or some
other style.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in message
...
You're right, Suzanne. That's a nogo - squunching the column to nothing.
The problem now is to get the first cell at the top of a page (assuming it
is
blank, since it repeats what was already written) to access the
information
from the last non-empty cell of the previous page and load it
automatically
so that it both appears on the new page and gets inserted into the header
for
that page. I used to do that all the time in my programming days for the
insurance company. But the puchcard era is over, and now the solution is
built into the software. Correct?
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Now you're asking for the pretty much impossible, I think. The problem
is
that the *only* direct formatting that a StyleRef field will pick up is
Hidden formatting, so you can't insert the English word as Hidden text.
(This is something the Word MVPs have asked the Word developers to
change,
but the request has not yet been granted.)

Something that does work but would be extremely difficult to maintain is
this:

1. Add a fourth column in which you type the English words, formatted
with a
distinctive style.

2. Add the appropriate StyleRef fields in your header to pick up the
first
and last instances of this word.

3. When you have finished typing all the English words (and won't need
to
access the column again), access Table Properties and make these
changes:

a. If you haven't done so already, disable auto resizing for the
table
(Table tab, Options).

b. Select the English column, click Options on the Cell tab and set
the
left and right cell margins to 0". Clear the check box for "Wrap text"
and
check the one for "Fit text" (even so, you may have to define exact row
heights to make this work).

c. On the Cell tab and the Column tab, set Cell/Column width to 0".

This *does* work, but I think you'd find it quite difficult to adjust
the
other column widths without making a hash of the table. The table is
actually more or less unusable after you've done this, I find. It's too
bad
Word doesn't have a provision for hiding columns as Excel does.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in message
...
How about this, Suzanne? I want the Greek words to appear as
described,
but
in the header I want the English translations to appear. I.e., if the
first
Greek word on the page is PAIDOS ("boy") and the last is AGAPH
("love") I
want the header for the page to read "Boy - Love". I don't want "Boy"
and
"Love" to appear in the print version of the list in the Greek column.
That
is, I want the English correspondences to be hidden tags that only
appear
in
the header. I do something similar to this with my Biblical index,
where
I
have to tag each Biblical reference in such a way that in the index
the
Biblical books appear in order: Genesis - Exodus etc., not
Amos-Barnabas
etc.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I see no reason why this should not work with a table. If you apply
a
given
style to the Greek words and a StyleRef field for that style and a
different
style for the Hebrew words and a StyleRef \l field for that style,
it
should
work as you wish. Note that you can define character styles as
Default
Paragraph Font + Language: Greek and Default Paragraph Font +
Language:
Hebrew and apply them to the entire corresponding columns. They
don't
actually have to have any different formatting (language or
otherwise)--just
different names, and of course they could be paragraph styles as
well,
since
each table cell is presumably a paragraph.

I actually tried this, and in fact, although I tried to add language
formatting, it didn't work (perhaps because I don't have proofing
tools
installed for Greek or Hebrew; I can add French or Spanish to a
character
style), but the important thing is the style name. In any case, when
I
applied the Greek style to the first column and the Hebrew style to
the
last
column, I had no difficulty picking up the content of the first
(Greek)
cell
on a page with one StyleRef field and the last (Hebrew) cell on the
page
with a StyleRef \l field.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in message
...
Dear Suzanne,
It seems that I have to reformat the whole document - remove the
table
and
use paragraph formatting. Could you run that through with me for
four
columns of listings? 1) I type the Greek word then TAB, then the
Hebrew
sentence, then TAB, then the verse number, then TAB, then the
Herbrew
word
that corresponds to the Greek word in column one. The Greek words
in
column
one (but there are no more columns, since the table is gone) must
have
some
kind of style name (special font, font-size), that the header
reads
off to
make the header. Sounds like a mess.


"qumranandy" wrote:

Yep. And it doesn't matter if the entries are all part of a
table?

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Have you read the Help topic about dictionary-style headings
using
the
StyleRef field? You would need to use different styles for the
Greek
and
Hebrew words and use the StyleRef field to reference them.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to
the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in
message
...
My dictionary is formatted as one big table with three
columns -
the
Greek
words at left in Greek alphabetical order, the biblical
Hebrew
phrase
including the material which the Greek word helps
translate
at
the
right, and
in the middle is the Greek phrase that translates the
Hebrew
if
the
translation is not exact. How can I get the dictionary
headers
at the
top?
(First Greek word and last Greek word on the page).
Fincke


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I don't think there's any easy way to do this, and if
you're
using
"dictionary-style" headings, I wouldn't advise it, as
consistency
(even
when
it is redundant) is preferable to unpredictability.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups
to
the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Andy" wrote in message
news I am using Word 2003 to compile a dictionary of films
and am
trying to
put
the film titles in the header on each page.

For instance, on a page listing Godfather 1, 2 and 3, I
am
trying to
get
the
header to read Godfather 1 - Godfather 3. I have set all
the
titles as
Heading 2, and have used two StyleRef calls, one for the
top
of
the
page
and
one for the bottom: everything seems to work smoothly.

The problem that I am having is that on a page which
only
has
one
film,
Godzilla, the header then reads Godzilla - Godzilla. Is
there
some way
of
checking the last heading against the first on the page,
and
if
they
are
the
same, supressing the second StyleRef entry? Or do I have
to
go
through
all
the pages that have only one heading, and manually
remove
the
second
StyleRef
entry?

Would appreciate any help; and sorry if I'm not being
particularly
clear.

Thanks!

[qumranandy]

Yeh, that works. But I don't see why when I merge all the left cells that
are empty into one cell that spans a page-break, Word doesn't go back to the
previous page (page x) and put that Greek word in the header at the top of
page x+1. Because the information in the right columns at the top of page
x+1 applies to the Greek word in the left column at the bottom of page x.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

The StyleRef that reads the first cell should be searching backward and
*should* reflect the most recent occurence of a style. Is it not doing this?
Make sure that you don't have the style applied to empty cells, as that will
generate an empty field. When a cell is empty, substitute Normal or some
other style.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
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"qumranandy" wrote in message
...
You're right, Suzanne. That's a nogo - squunching the column to nothing.
The problem now is to get the first cell at the top of a page (assuming it
is
blank, since it repeats what was already written) to access the
information
from the last non-empty cell of the previous page and load it
automatically
so that it both appears on the new page and gets inserted into the header
for
that page. I used to do that all the time in my programming days for the
insurance company. But the puchcard era is over, and now the solution is
built into the software. Correct?
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Now you're asking for the pretty much impossible, I think. The problem
is
that the *only* direct formatting that a StyleRef field will pick up is
Hidden formatting, so you can't insert the English word as Hidden text.
(This is something the Word MVPs have asked the Word developers to
change,
but the request has not yet been granted.)

Something that does work but would be extremely difficult to maintain is
this:

1. Add a fourth column in which you type the English words, formatted
with a
distinctive style.

2. Add the appropriate StyleRef fields in your header to pick up the
first
and last instances of this word.

3. When you have finished typing all the English words (and won't need
to
access the column again), access Table Properties and make these
changes:

a. If you haven't done so already, disable auto resizing for the
table
(Table tab, Options).

b. Select the English column, click Options on the Cell tab and set
the
left and right cell margins to 0". Clear the check box for "Wrap text"
and
check the one for "Fit text" (even so, you may have to define exact row
heights to make this work).

c. On the Cell tab and the Column tab, set Cell/Column width to 0".

This *does* work, but I think you'd find it quite difficult to adjust
the
other column widths without making a hash of the table. The table is
actually more or less unusable after you've done this, I find. It's too
bad
Word doesn't have a provision for hiding columns as Excel does.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in message
...
How about this, Suzanne? I want the Greek words to appear as
described,
but
in the header I want the English translations to appear. I.e., if the
first
Greek word on the page is PAIDOS ("boy") and the last is AGAPH
("love") I
want the header for the page to read "Boy - Love". I don't want "Boy"
and
"Love" to appear in the print version of the list in the Greek column.
That
is, I want the English correspondences to be hidden tags that only
appear
in
the header. I do something similar to this with my Biblical index,
where
I
have to tag each Biblical reference in such a way that in the index
the
Biblical books appear in order: Genesis - Exodus etc., not
Amos-Barnabas
etc.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I see no reason why this should not work with a table. If you apply
a
given
style to the Greek words and a StyleRef field for that style and a
different
style for the Hebrew words and a StyleRef \l field for that style,
it
should
work as you wish. Note that you can define character styles as
Default
Paragraph Font + Language: Greek and Default Paragraph Font +
Language:
Hebrew and apply them to the entire corresponding columns. They
don't
actually have to have any different formatting (language or
otherwise)--just
different names, and of course they could be paragraph styles as
well,
since
each table cell is presumably a paragraph.

I actually tried this, and in fact, although I tried to add language
formatting, it didn't work (perhaps because I don't have proofing
tools
installed for Greek or Hebrew; I can add French or Spanish to a
character
style), but the important thing is the style name. In any case, when
I
applied the Greek style to the first column and the Hebrew style to
the
last
column, I had no difficulty picking up the content of the first
(Greek)
cell
on a page with one StyleRef field and the last (Hebrew) cell on the
page
with a StyleRef \l field.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in message
...
Dear Suzanne,
It seems that I have to reformat the whole document - remove the
table
and
use paragraph formatting. Could you run that through with me for
four
columns of listings? 1) I type the Greek word then TAB, then the
Hebrew
sentence, then TAB, then the verse number, then TAB, then the
Herbrew
word
that corresponds to the Greek word in column one. The Greek words
in
column
one (but there are no more columns, since the table is gone) must
have
some
kind of style name (special font, font-size), that the header
reads
off to
make the header. Sounds like a mess.


"qumranandy" wrote:

Yep. And it doesn't matter if the entries are all part of a
table?

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Have you read the Help topic about dictionary-style headings
using
the
StyleRef field? You would need to use different styles for the
Greek
and
Hebrew words and use the StyleRef field to reference them.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to
the
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all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in
message
...
My dictionary is formatted as one big table with three
columns -
the
Greek
words at left in Greek alphabetical order, the biblical
Hebrew
phrase
including the material which the Greek word helps
translate
at
the
right, and
in the middle is the Greek phrase that translates the
Hebrew
if
the
translation is not exact. How can I get the dictionary
headers
at the
top?
(First Greek word and last Greek word on the page).
Fincke


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I don't think there's any easy way to do this, and if
you're
using
"dictionary-style" headings, I wouldn't advise it, as
consistency
(even
when
it is redundant) is preferable to unpredictability.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups
to
the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Andy" wrote in message
news I am using Word 2003 to compile a dictionary of films
and am
trying to
put
the film titles in the header on each page.

For instance, on a page listing Godfather 1, 2 and 3, I
am
trying to
get
the
header to read Godfather 1 - Godfather 3. I have set all
the
titles as
Heading 2, and have used two StyleRef calls, one for the
top
of
the
page
and
one for the bottom: everything seems to work smoothly.

The problem that I am having is that on a page which
only
has
one
film,
Godzilla, the header then reads Godzilla - Godzilla. Is
there
some way
of
checking the last heading against the first on the page,
and
if
they
are
the

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Yes, I would expect this to work, too, but if it doesn't, I guess it
doesn't.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in message
...
Yeh, that works. But I don't see why when I merge all the left cells that
are empty into one cell that spans a page-break, Word doesn't go back to
the
previous page (page x) and put that Greek word in the header at the top of
page x+1. Because the information in the right columns at the top of page
x+1 applies to the Greek word in the left column at the bottom of page x.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

The StyleRef that reads the first cell should be searching backward and
*should* reflect the most recent occurence of a style. Is it not doing
this?
Make sure that you don't have the style applied to empty cells, as that
will
generate an empty field. When a cell is empty, substitute Normal or some
other style.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in message
...
You're right, Suzanne. That's a nogo - squunching the column to
nothing.
The problem now is to get the first cell at the top of a page
(assuming it
is
blank, since it repeats what was already written) to access the
information
from the last non-empty cell of the previous page and load it
automatically
so that it both appears on the new page and gets inserted into the
header
for
that page. I used to do that all the time in my programming days for
the
insurance company. But the puchcard era is over, and now the solution
is
built into the software. Correct?
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Now you're asking for the pretty much impossible, I think. The
problem
is
that the *only* direct formatting that a StyleRef field will pick up
is
Hidden formatting, so you can't insert the English word as Hidden
text.
(This is something the Word MVPs have asked the Word developers to
change,
but the request has not yet been granted.)

Something that does work but would be extremely difficult to
maintain is
this:

1. Add a fourth column in which you type the English words,
formatted
with a
distinctive style.

2. Add the appropriate StyleRef fields in your header to pick up the
first
and last instances of this word.

3. When you have finished typing all the English words (and won't
need
to
access the column again), access Table Properties and make these
changes:

a. If you haven't done so already, disable auto resizing for the
table
(Table tab, Options).

b. Select the English column, click Options on the Cell tab and
set
the
left and right cell margins to 0". Clear the check box for "Wrap
text"
and
check the one for "Fit text" (even so, you may have to define exact
row
heights to make this work).

c. On the Cell tab and the Column tab, set Cell/Column width to
0".

This *does* work, but I think you'd find it quite difficult to
adjust
the
other column widths without making a hash of the table. The table is
actually more or less unusable after you've done this, I find. It's
too
bad
Word doesn't have a provision for hiding columns as Excel does.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in message
...
How about this, Suzanne? I want the Greek words to appear as
described,
but
in the header I want the English translations to appear. I.e., if
the
first
Greek word on the page is PAIDOS ("boy") and the last is AGAPH
("love") I
want the header for the page to read "Boy - Love". I don't want
"Boy"
and
"Love" to appear in the print version of the list in the Greek
column.
That
is, I want the English correspondences to be hidden tags that only
appear
in
the header. I do something similar to this with my Biblical
index,
where
I
have to tag each Biblical reference in such a way that in the
index
the
Biblical books appear in order: Genesis - Exodus etc., not
Amos-Barnabas
etc.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I see no reason why this should not work with a table. If you
apply
a
given
style to the Greek words and a StyleRef field for that style and
a
different
style for the Hebrew words and a StyleRef \l field for that
style,
it
should
work as you wish. Note that you can define character styles as
Default
Paragraph Font + Language: Greek and Default Paragraph Font +
Language:
Hebrew and apply them to the entire corresponding columns. They
don't
actually have to have any different formatting (language or
otherwise)--just
different names, and of course they could be paragraph styles as
well,
since
each table cell is presumably a paragraph.

I actually tried this, and in fact, although I tried to add
language
formatting, it didn't work (perhaps because I don't have
proofing
tools
installed for Greek or Hebrew; I can add French or Spanish to a
character
style), but the important thing is the style name. In any case,
when
I
applied the Greek style to the first column and the Hebrew style
to
the
last
column, I had no difficulty picking up the content of the first
(Greek)
cell
on a page with one StyleRef field and the last (Hebrew) cell on
the
page
with a StyleRef \l field.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote in
message
...
Dear Suzanne,
It seems that I have to reformat the whole document - remove
the
table
and
use paragraph formatting. Could you run that through with me
for
four
columns of listings? 1) I type the Greek word then TAB, then
the
Hebrew
sentence, then TAB, then the verse number, then TAB, then the
Herbrew
word
that corresponds to the Greek word in column one. The Greek
words
in
column
one (but there are no more columns, since the table is gone)
must
have
some
kind of style name (special font, font-size), that the header
reads
off to
make the header. Sounds like a mess.


"qumranandy" wrote:

Yep. And it doesn't matter if the entries are all part of a
table?

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Have you read the Help topic about dictionary-style
headings
using
the
StyleRef field? You would need to use different styles for
the
Greek
and
Hebrew words and use the StyleRef field to reference them.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups
to
the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"qumranandy" wrote
in
message
...
My dictionary is formatted as one big table with
three
columns -
the
Greek
words at left in Greek alphabetical order, the
biblical
Hebrew
phrase
including the material which the Greek word helps
translate
at
the
right, and
in the middle is the Greek phrase that translates
the
Hebrew
if
the
translation is not exact. How can I get the
dictionary
headers
at the
top?
(First Greek word and last Greek word on the page).
Fincke


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I don't think there's any easy way to do this, and if
you're
using
"dictionary-style" headings, I wouldn't advise it, as
consistency
(even
when
it is redundant) is preferable to unpredictability.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all
follow-ups
to
the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Andy" wrote in
message

news
I am using Word 2003 to compile a dictionary of
films
and am
trying to
put
the film titles in the header on each page.

For instance, on a page listing Godfather 1, 2 and
3, I
am
trying to
get
the
header to read Godfather 1 - Godfather 3. I have set
all
the
titles as
Heading 2, and have used two StyleRef calls, one for
the
top
of
the
page
and
one for the bottom: everything seems to work
smoothly.

The problem that I am having is that on a page which
only
has
one
film,
Godzilla, the header then reads Godzilla - Godzilla.
Is
there
some way
of
checking the last heading against the first on the
page,
and
if
they
are
the