[Tom Smith]

Word 2007 under windows XP

I'm just getting around to looking at features in the new Word version.

I've happened onto the Manage Styles window, which has 4 tabs. My question
is: What does the Set Defaults tab pertain to? I've opened a document in a
template I use, with Times New Roman @ 13. So far so good. When I happened
into the Set Defaults tab, it shows TMR @ 10 points. I simply cancelled out
of it, but am wondering what its relationship is to the style of the open
document--or others.

Has anyone puzzled this out? Many thanks. Tjom

[Stefan Blom]

This is not uncommon when you are opening an existing document or template
created in an earlier version of Word. The Set Defaults tab does not seem to
accurately reflect the settings of the open file. However, the current style
definitions are available on the Edit tab of the Manage Styles dialog box.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Tom Smith" wrote in message ...
Word 2007 under windows XP

I'm just getting around to looking at features in the new Word version.

I've happened onto the Manage Styles window, which has 4 tabs. My question
is: What does the Set Defaults tab pertain to? I've opened a document in a
template I use, with Times New Roman @ 13. So far so good. When I happened
into the Set Defaults tab, it shows TMR @ 10 points. I simply cancelled
out of it, but am wondering what its relationship is to the style of the
open document--or others.

Has anyone puzzled this out? Many thanks. Tjom

[Beth Melton]

The Document Defaults are displaying accurate information. They reflect the
defaults that were used when the document was created. Since Tom is seeing
Times New Roman 10 points then I'd say he's looking at document created in a
version of Word prior to Word 2000. It was in Word 2000 the default was
changed to TNR 12.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
This is not uncommon when you are opening an existing document or template
created in an earlier version of Word. The Set Defaults tab does not seem
to
accurately reflect the settings of the open file. However, the current
style definitions are available on the Edit tab of the Manage Styles
dialog box.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Tom Smith" wrote in message
...
Word 2007 under windows XP

I'm just getting around to looking at features in the new Word version.

I've happened onto the Manage Styles window, which has 4 tabs. My
question
is: What does the Set Defaults tab pertain to? I've opened a document in
a
template I use, with Times New Roman @ 13. So far so good. When I
happened
into the Set Defaults tab, it shows TMR @ 10 points. I simply cancelled
out of it, but am wondering what its relationship is to the style of the
open document--or others.

Has anyone puzzled this out? Many thanks. Tjom

[Stefan Blom]

I do recall that Word 97 (the first version that I used) had 10 pt TNR as
the default font. But I would expect the Manage Styles dialog box to show 12
pt as the default for documents whose Normal style was modified to 12 pt.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
The Document Defaults are displaying accurate information. They reflect
the defaults that were used when the document was created. Since Tom is
seeing Times New Roman 10 points then I'd say he's looking at document
created in a version of Word prior to Word 2000. It was in Word 2000 the
default was changed to TNR 12.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
This is not uncommon when you are opening an existing document or
template
created in an earlier version of Word. The Set Defaults tab does not seem
to
accurately reflect the settings of the open file. However, the current
style definitions are available on the Edit tab of the Manage Styles
dialog box.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Tom Smith" wrote in message
...
Word 2007 under windows XP

I'm just getting around to looking at features in the new Word version.

I've happened onto the Manage Styles window, which has 4 tabs. My
question
is: What does the Set Defaults tab pertain to? I've opened a document in
a
template I use, with Times New Roman @ 13. So far so good. When I
happened
into the Set Defaults tab, it shows TMR @ 10 points. I simply cancelled
out of it, but am wondering what its relationship is to the style of the
open document--or others.

Has anyone puzzled this out? Many thanks. Tjom

[Terry Farrell]

My recollection is that the built in default font was TNR 12 pt up to Office
XP when it became TNR 10pt until Office 2007.

Terry Farrell

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
I do recall that Word 97 (the first version that I used) had 10 pt TNR as
the default font. But I would expect the Manage Styles dialog box to show
12 pt as the default for documents whose Normal style was modified to 12
pt.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
The Document Defaults are displaying accurate information. They reflect
the defaults that were used when the document was created. Since Tom is
seeing Times New Roman 10 points then I'd say he's looking at document
created in a version of Word prior to Word 2000. It was in Word 2000 the
default was changed to TNR 12.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
This is not uncommon when you are opening an existing document or
template
created in an earlier version of Word. The Set Defaults tab does not
seem
to
accurately reflect the settings of the open file. However, the current
style definitions are available on the Edit tab of the Manage Styles
dialog box.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Tom Smith" wrote in message
...
Word 2007 under windows XP

I'm just getting around to looking at features in the new Word version.

I've happened onto the Manage Styles window, which has 4 tabs. My
question
is: What does the Set Defaults tab pertain to? I've opened a document
in
a
template I use, with Times New Roman @ 13. So far so good. When I
happened
into the Set Defaults tab, it shows TMR @ 10 points. I simply cancelled
out of it, but am wondering what its relationship is to the style of
the
open document--or others.

Has anyone puzzled this out? Many thanks. Tjom

[Beth Melton]

No, it was TNR 10 pts until Word 2000. Then it was changed to TNR12. In Word
2007 it's Calibri 11 pts.

To verify the latter, right-click your Desktop and select New/Word Document.
If you recall this method bypasses the Normal template and uses the
application defaults.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

"Terry Farrell" wrote in message
...
My recollection is that the built in default font was TNR 12 pt up to
Office XP when it became TNR 10pt until Office 2007.

Terry Farrell

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
I do recall that Word 97 (the first version that I used) had 10 pt TNR as
the default font. But I would expect the Manage Styles dialog box to show
12 pt as the default for documents whose Normal style was modified to 12
pt.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
The Document Defaults are displaying accurate information. They reflect
the defaults that were used when the document was created. Since Tom is
seeing Times New Roman 10 points then I'd say he's looking at document
created in a version of Word prior to Word 2000. It was in Word 2000 the
default was changed to TNR 12.

[Beth Melton]

The Normal style obtains it's defaults from the Document Defaults, not the
other way around.

Did you read my reply to Tom?


Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
I do recall that Word 97 (the first version that I used) had 10 pt TNR as
the default font. But I would expect the Manage Styles dialog box to show
12 pt as the default for documents whose Normal style was modified to 12
pt.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
The Document Defaults are displaying accurate information. They reflect
the defaults that were used when the document was created. Since Tom is
seeing Times New Roman 10 points then I'd say he's looking at document
created in a version of Word prior to Word 2000. It was in Word 2000 the
default was changed to TNR 12.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
This is not uncommon when you are opening an existing document or
template
created in an earlier version of Word. The Set Defaults tab does not
seem
to
accurately reflect the settings of the open file. However, the current
style definitions are available on the Edit tab of the Manage Styles
dialog box.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Tom Smith" wrote in message
...
Word 2007 under windows XP

I'm just getting around to looking at features in the new Word version.

I've happened onto the Manage Styles window, which has 4 tabs. My
question
is: What does the Set Defaults tab pertain to? I've opened a document
in
a
template I use, with Times New Roman @ 13. So far so good. When I
happened
into the Set Defaults tab, it shows TMR @ 10 points. I simply cancelled
out of it, but am wondering what its relationship is to the style of
the
open document--or others.

Has anyone puzzled this out? Many thanks. Tjom

[Stefan Blom]

I did read your reply to Tom but, apparently, I had to read it twice...

So what you are saying is that in previous versions it wasn't possible to
change the document defaults? That certainly explains why the defaults show
10 pt TNR when opening old documents in Word 2007.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
The Normal style obtains it's defaults from the Document Defaults, not the
other way around.

Did you read my reply to Tom?


Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
I do recall that Word 97 (the first version that I used) had 10 pt TNR as
the default font. But I would expect the Manage Styles dialog box to show
12 pt as the default for documents whose Normal style was modified to 12
pt.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
The Document Defaults are displaying accurate information. They reflect
the defaults that were used when the document was created. Since Tom is
seeing Times New Roman 10 points then I'd say he's looking at document
created in a version of Word prior to Word 2000. It was in Word 2000 the
default was changed to TNR 12.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
This is not uncommon when you are opening an existing document or
template
created in an earlier version of Word. The Set Defaults tab does not
seem
to
accurately reflect the settings of the open file. However, the current
style definitions are available on the Edit tab of the Manage Styles
dialog box.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Tom Smith" wrote in message
...
Word 2007 under windows XP

I'm just getting around to looking at features in the new Word
version.

I've happened onto the Manage Styles window, which has 4 tabs. My
question
is: What does the Set Defaults tab pertain to? I've opened a document
in
a
template I use, with Times New Roman @ 13. So far so good. When I
happened
into the Set Defaults tab, it shows TMR @ 10 points. I simply
cancelled
out of it, but am wondering what its relationship is to the style of
the
open document--or others.

Has anyone puzzled this out? Many thanks. Tjom

[Beth Melton]

The Document Defaults enable you to set base formatting for your styles
which is something we couldn't do prior to Word 2007.

Some background: In previous versions the Document Defaults were hard-wired
into the application (such as Times New Roman 12 pts) and in order to modify
the defaults for your styles you needed to modify the Normal style (or use
another base style). To add another tidbit that factors into the scheme of
Document Defaults is something most don't know and that is the Normal style
is "empty" until it's modified. Initially it has no defined formatting and
obtains its formats from the Document Defaults. (Microsoft has been fooling
us for years. grin) IOW, if you do not modify your Normal style and if you
base your styles on the Normal style, you are actually using the Document
Defaults as your base formatting and changes made to the Document Defaults
will be reflected in the Normal style.

Additionally, If you do not explicitly define a format in a style the
Document Defaults will be used. For example, if you create a new style and
do not change the default font and later change the font on the Set Defaults
tab, your style will update to the new default.

In Word 2007, you actually want to refrain from modifying your Normal
style -- especially if it's for setting base defaults -- and use the
Document Defaults instead. Doing so will avoid various style nuances that
occur when you modify the Normal style, such as a long-standing issue of
specifying a font size in Table Styles.

Also note there are additional formats for the Document Defaults that are
not visible in the Manage Styles dialog box. All formatting options found in
the Font and Paragraph dialog boxes and can be set as the Document Defaults
using the Default button at the bottom. (They elected to suppress those
formats you really don't want to use for your document defaults, such as the
pagination options, in the Manage Styles dialog box.)

Now, this change also changes other style behaviors, such as when you base a
style on "No Style", but I'm not sure how deep you want to get into this
topic. :-)


Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"Tom Smith" tomDOTsmith68AT@verizonDOTnet wrote in message
...
Word 2007 under windows XP

I'm just getting around to looking at features in the new Word version.

I've happened onto the Manage Styles window, which has 4 tabs. My question
is: What does the Set Defaults tab pertain to? I've opened a document in a
template I use, with Times New Roman @ 13. So far so good. When I happened
into the Set Defaults tab, it shows TMR @ 10 points. I simply cancelled
out of it, but am wondering what its relationship is to the style of the
open document--or others.

Has anyone puzzled this out? Many thanks. Tjom