[Marvin42]

I think I've discovered a bug in the way Word 2007 handles frames near a page
break, and I wonder if anybody here has the inside story (or better yet, a
fix).

Some background: my department manages hundreds of thousands of documents
that use scholar's margins as headings, which are identical to the "true
marginal text" described by Suzanne Barnhill in her excllent tutorial at
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/MarginalText.htm. (Oh how I wish I'd
known about that page three years ago!)

We've recently converted all those documents from Word 2003 to Word 2007,
and in Word 2007 I've discovered that in many instances the marginal text is
being orphaned at the bottom of one page while its anchored paragraph has
been moved to the next page by Word's suppression of widows & orphans.

If I open the same document in Word 2003, the problem disappears, and the
marginal text frame obediently follows its paragraph to the next page. The
settings and properties and text of the paragraphs and frames are identical
in both cases, so the only culprit I can see is Word 2007 itself.

Locking the anchor of the frame to the paragraph has no effect: when the
marginal frame is separated from its paragraph, the anchor re-attaches to the
first paragraph on the page in which the frame has been orphaned. It does
this with or without a "lock" in place.

As long as there's no page break involved, the frame moves with its text
just fine. And much of the time, when the frame's paragraph moves to a new
page, the frame moves with it. But there appears to be a kind of "sweet
spot" where, if the paragraph is just barely nudged to the next page, the
frame refuses to follow.

It's very troublesome, and I wonder if anyone here has seen this behavior
before?

--
Marvin Long, Jr.

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Thanks, Marvin. I'll report this. Any chance you could provide a sample doc
for the product team to look at?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Marvin42" wrote in message
...
I think I've discovered a bug in the way Word 2007 handles frames near a
page
break, and I wonder if anybody here has the inside story (or better yet, a
fix).

Some background: my department manages hundreds of thousands of documents
that use scholar's margins as headings, which are identical to the "true
marginal text" described by Suzanne Barnhill in her excellent tutorial at
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/MarginalText.htm. (Oh how I wish I'd
known about that page three years ago!)

We've recently converted all those documents from Word 2003 to Word 2007,
and in Word 2007 I've discovered that in many instances the marginal text
is
being orphaned at the bottom of one page while its anchored paragraph has
been moved to the next page by Word's suppression of widows & orphans.

If I open the same document in Word 2003, the problem disappears, and the
marginal text frame obediently follows its paragraph to the next page.
The
settings and properties and text of the paragraphs and frames are
identical
in both cases, so the only culprit I can see is Word 2007 itself.

Locking the anchor of the frame to the paragraph has no effect: when the
marginal frame is separated from its paragraph, the anchor re-attaches to
the
first paragraph on the page in which the frame has been orphaned. It does
this with or without a "lock" in place.

As long as there's no page break involved, the frame moves with its text
just fine. And much of the time, when the frame's paragraph moves to a
new
page, the frame moves with it. But there appears to be a kind of "sweet
spot" where, if the paragraph is just barely nudged to the next page, the
frame refuses to follow.

It's very troublesome, and I wonder if anyone here has seen this behavior
before?

--
Marvin Long, Jr.

[Marvin42]

Gladly. How should I do that?

--
Marvin Long, Jr.


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Thanks, Marvin. I'll report this. Any chance you could provide a sample doc
for the product team to look at?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Marvin42" wrote in message
...
I think I've discovered a bug in the way Word 2007 handles frames near a
page
break, and I wonder if anybody here has the inside story (or better yet, a
fix).

Some background: my department manages hundreds of thousands of documents
that use scholar's margins as headings, which are identical to the "true
marginal text" described by Suzanne Barnhill in her excellent tutorial at
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/MarginalText.htm. (Oh how I wish I'd
known about that page three years ago!)

We've recently converted all those documents from Word 2003 to Word 2007,
and in Word 2007 I've discovered that in many instances the marginal text
is
being orphaned at the bottom of one page while its anchored paragraph has
been moved to the next page by Word's suppression of widows & orphans.

If I open the same document in Word 2003, the problem disappears, and the
marginal text frame obediently follows its paragraph to the next page.
The
settings and properties and text of the paragraphs and frames are
identical
in both cases, so the only culprit I can see is Word 2007 itself.

Locking the anchor of the frame to the paragraph has no effect: when the
marginal frame is separated from its paragraph, the anchor re-attaches to
the
first paragraph on the page in which the frame has been orphaned. It does
this with or without a "lock" in place.

As long as there's no page break involved, the frame moves with its text
just fine. And much of the time, when the frame's paragraph moves to a
new
page, the frame moves with it. But there appears to be a kind of "sweet
spot" where, if the paragraph is just barely nudged to the next page, the
frame refuses to follow.

It's very troublesome, and I wonder if anyone here has seen this behavior
before?

--
Marvin Long, Jr.

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

If you click on my name in the message window, you should get my profile
with an email address.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Marvin42" wrote in message
...
Gladly. How should I do that?

--
Marvin Long, Jr.


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Thanks, Marvin. I'll report this. Any chance you could provide a sample
doc
for the product team to look at?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Marvin42" wrote in message
...
I think I've discovered a bug in the way Word 2007 handles frames near a
page
break, and I wonder if anybody here has the inside story (or better
yet, a
fix).

Some background: my department manages hundreds of thousands of
documents
that use scholar's margins as headings, which are identical to the
"true
marginal text" described by Suzanne Barnhill in her excellent tutorial
at
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/MarginalText.htm. (Oh how I wish
I'd
known about that page three years ago!)

We've recently converted all those documents from Word 2003 to Word
2007,
and in Word 2007 I've discovered that in many instances the marginal
text
is
being orphaned at the bottom of one page while its anchored paragraph
has
been moved to the next page by Word's suppression of widows & orphans.

If I open the same document in Word 2003, the problem disappears, and
the
marginal text frame obediently follows its paragraph to the next page.
The
settings and properties and text of the paragraphs and frames are
identical
in both cases, so the only culprit I can see is Word 2007 itself.

Locking the anchor of the frame to the paragraph has no effect: when
the
marginal frame is separated from its paragraph, the anchor re-attaches
to
the
first paragraph on the page in which the frame has been orphaned. It
does
this with or without a "lock" in place.

As long as there's no page break involved, the frame moves with its
text
just fine. And much of the time, when the frame's paragraph moves to a
new
page, the frame moves with it. But there appears to be a kind of
"sweet
spot" where, if the paragraph is just barely nudged to the next page,
the
frame refuses to follow.

It's very troublesome, and I wonder if anyone here has seen this
behavior
before?

--
Marvin Long, Jr.

[Marvin42]

Done! Thank you very, very much.

--
Marvin Long, Jr.


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

If you click on my name in the message window, you should get my profile
with an email address.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Marvin42" wrote in message
...
Gladly. How should I do that?

--
Marvin Long, Jr.


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Thanks, Marvin. I'll report this. Any chance you could provide a sample
doc
for the product team to look at?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Marvin42" wrote in message
...
I think I've discovered a bug in the way Word 2007 handles frames near a
page
break, and I wonder if anybody here has the inside story (or better
yet, a
fix).

Some background: my department manages hundreds of thousands of
documents
that use scholar's margins as headings, which are identical to the
"true
marginal text" described by Suzanne Barnhill in her excellent tutorial
at
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/MarginalText.htm. (Oh how I wish
I'd
known about that page three years ago!)

We've recently converted all those documents from Word 2003 to Word
2007,
and in Word 2007 I've discovered that in many instances the marginal
text
is
being orphaned at the bottom of one page while its anchored paragraph
has
been moved to the next page by Word's suppression of widows & orphans.

If I open the same document in Word 2003, the problem disappears, and
the
marginal text frame obediently follows its paragraph to the next page.
The
settings and properties and text of the paragraphs and frames are
identical
in both cases, so the only culprit I can see is Word 2007 itself.

Locking the anchor of the frame to the paragraph has no effect: when
the
marginal frame is separated from its paragraph, the anchor re-attaches
to
the
first paragraph on the page in which the frame has been orphaned. It
does
this with or without a "lock" in place.

As long as there's no page break involved, the frame moves with its
text
just fine. And much of the time, when the frame's paragraph moves to a
new
page, the frame moves with it. But there appears to be a kind of
"sweet
spot" where, if the paragraph is just barely nudged to the next page,
the
frame refuses to follow.

It's very troublesome, and I wonder if anyone here has seen this
behavior
before?

--
Marvin Long, Jr.