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"HTML Source" greyed out in View menu
"HTML Source" is greyed out in my View menu in Word 2000 - with any and all
documents. The problem may (or may not) have started when I installed the latest critical updates. Perhaps I have to do something to enable the HTML editor, but I have not been able to find a way to do this in Word. I would greatly appreciate any help. Thanks! |
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Hi Shirley:
You're sure the document concerned IS in HTML format? Sorry: that's all I can think of. There was an add-in for Word 2000: Microsoft HTML Filter 2. You need to insure that that is installed and stays that way. Hope this helps On 27/3/06 5:06 PM, in article , "Shirley Starke" wrote: "HTML Source" is greyed out in my View menu in Word 2000 - with any and all documents. The problem may (or may not) have started when I installed the latest critical updates. Perhaps I have to do something to enable the HTML editor, but I have not been able to find a way to do this in Word. I would greatly appreciate any help. Thanks! -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 |
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Thank you! I found the answer - which was probably so simple that you assumed
I had tried it in the first place. I remembered that there was an option in Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs, to enable features in Office, and wondered if I had to add the HTML Editor. It turned out that I did - I added it from the CD, and now it is working fine. I've thought of getting that filter, but haven't done it yet since I sometimes edit my web pages on the server, and later FTP them back to my computer and edit them again in Word. If I used the filter, I assume, I wouldn't be able to to that. Some of them are very long, but they seem to open in a reasonable amount of time, even with my dial-up connection. Thanks again! "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macinto" wrote: Hi Shirley: You're sure the document concerned IS in HTML format? Sorry: that's all I can think of. There was an add-in for Word 2000: Microsoft HTML Filter 2. You need to insure that that is installed and stays that way. Hope this helps On 27/3/06 5:06 PM, in article , "Shirley Starke" wrote: "HTML Source" is greyed out in my View menu in Word 2000 - with any and all documents. The problem may (or may not) have started when I installed the latest critical updates. Perhaps I have to do something to enable the HTML editor, but I have not been able to find a way to do this in Word. I would greatly appreciate any help. Thanks! -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 |
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Thanks! I ran across a link yesterday to download the filter, and noticed it
was available in three versions. I assume I should get the one that works as a Word add-in. My Sheet Music page at http://valkyriepub.tripod.com/sheetmusic.htm is especially long; it loads in a few seconds on my computer, but I wonder if it loads as well for others! If not, I should probably use the filter on it, and on my other pages as well. Which setting would you recommend for someone who transfers the web pages back to Word via FTP and edits them again in Word? Thanks again! Shirley "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macinto" wrote: Hi Shirley: That filter won't prevent you from editing pages in Word, it simply thins out the XML Word adds to an HTML document. Word does not write "HTML". It never has. HTML is a simple language designed to describe web pages and be very compact. HTML does not have sufficient "words" in its vocabulary to describe a Word document. So: Word has always written "XML", 'Extensible Markup Language'. This is a much richer language that will fully describe a Word document (it's the format chosen as the native format for the Office 2007 applications). Regrettably, someone in Marketing decided years ago that we were too stupid to understand the difference. So they labelled Word's feature "HTML" and produced a "Save as Web Page" command. Well, it's not HTML, and it never was. They were sort-of correct about the web page -- an increasing number of "web pages" are now coded in XML, because their authors came up against the same restriction the Word designers encountered: if you want all of the features of a Word documents, such as headers and footers and page breaks and dynamic content, you need a richer language than HTML to transmit it. What HTML Filter 2 does is enable you to control "how much" simplification of your web pages occurs when you save. I used it extensively for making websites with Word 2000. You get the choice. If you check all the boxes, you get a very lightweight webpage that almost all browsers will display. If you don't check any, you get a full XML page that almost exactly replicates the Word document (an only late versions of Microsoft Internet Explorer can actually display properly). On the corporate intranet, I used to turn the filter up about half way, so people who wanted the pages to open in Word would still have that ability. On the external Internet, I turned the filter flat out so people working from home on dialup wouldn't have to wait minutes for their pages. If you're going to be doing a "lot" of web work in Word 2000, I recommend you get hold of that filter and try it out. Particularly, investigate the extra options you get with the little user interface (the filter can run as a stand-alone program) and the full set of options you get if you run it in batch mode from the command line. Having installed it, be careful when you upgrade: the next versions of Office will try to remove HTML Filter 2. Don't let them: it's seriously handy for difficult cases, you will want to keep it around :-) Hope this helps On 28/3/06 5:55 AM, in article , "Shirley Starke" wrote: Thank you! I found the answer - which was probably so simple that you assumed I had tried it in the first place. I remembered that there was an option in Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs, to enable features in Office, and wondered if I had to add the HTML Editor. It turned out that I did - I added it from the CD, and now it is working fine. I've thought of getting that filter, but haven't done it yet since I sometimes edit my web pages on the server, and later FTP them back to my computer and edit them again in Word. If I used the filter, I assume, I wouldn't be able to to that. Some of them are very long, but they seem to open in a reasonable amount of time, even with my dial-up connection. Thanks again! "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macinto" wrote: Hi Shirley: You're sure the document concerned IS in HTML format? Sorry: that's all I can think of. There was an add-in for Word 2000: Microsoft HTML Filter 2. You need to insure that that is installed and stays that way. Hope this helps On 27/3/06 5:06 PM, in article , "Shirley Starke" wrote: "HTML Source" is greyed out in my View menu in Word 2000 - with any and all documents. The problem may (or may not) have started when I installed the latest critical updates. Perhaps I have to do something to enable the HTML editor, but I have not been able to find a way to do this in Word. I would greatly appreciate any help. Thanks! -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 |
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"HTML Source" greyed out in View menu
Well!! I've downloaded and installed it. Now I will get a fresh copy of my
20+ - MB website from the server and process it - and see what happens! I assume that I can save the processed version of the website in a different folder, so it won't overwrite or change the original files. Will I still be able to add photos and text to the compact version? By the way, the big space hogs in my website aren't the HTML files, but the pictures! The original pictures seem to be essential in order for the much smaller Word versions to display properly, though. But I love Word web pages - for one thing, they change width to fit the browser window so people don't have to scroll back and forth to read them, and for another, they display text right away so people can begin reading while the photos download - rather then staring at a bunch of blank squares until the website finally pops in. I think Word is still the best web authoring program around! Thanks! Shirley "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macinto" wrote: Hi Shirley: You're sure the document concerned IS in HTML format? Sorry: that's all I can think of. There was an add-in for Word 2000: Microsoft HTML Filter 2. You need to insure that that is installed and stays that way. Hope this helps On 27/3/06 5:06 PM, in article , "Shirley Starke" wrote: "HTML Source" is greyed out in my View menu in Word 2000 - with any and all documents. The problem may (or may not) have started when I installed the latest critical updates. Perhaps I have to do something to enable the HTML editor, but I have not been able to find a way to do this in Word. I would greatly appreciate any help. Thanks! -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 |
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Hi Shirley,
The key featured bit for the Office 2000 HTML Filter v2 http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/of...225761033.aspx is the one that, for the end user, can be run from your Start=Programs menu or stand alone (it uses two files MSFilter.exe and MSFilter.dll) to produce a pared down version of what you saved as 'HTML' (web document) from Word, so that you can still use the original for editing/updating and have a smaller copy to use on your website. The MSFilter.exe is the one with the 'check boxes' that John mentioned. The add in 'export to compact HTML' uses settings in Tools=Options=Web and that part was built into Word 2002 and 2003 as 'Save as Web Page-Filtered' For loading speed there are quite a number of utilities and web sites that will measure things for you. According to the one at http://www.websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze/ your web page would take over 40 seconds to load for someone with a 56K dial up connection. ============ "Shirley Starke" wrote in message ... Thanks! I ran across a link yesterday to download the filter, and noticed it was available in three versions. I assume I should get the one that works as a Word add-in. My Sheet Music page at http://valkyriepub.tripod.com/sheetmusic.htm is especially long; it loads in a few seconds on my computer, but I wonder if it loads as well for others! If not, I should probably use the filter on it, and on my other pages as well. Which setting would you recommend for someone who transfers the web pages back to Word via FTP and edits them again in Word? Thanks again! Shirley -- Let us know if this helped you, Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office System Products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends Pricing and Packages for '2007 Microsoft Office System' http://microsoft.com/office/preview |
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Hi Shirley:
Errrk!!! You must be very careful not to overwrite ANYTHING on that web page until you have TESTED it. Your page is absolutely FULL of XML and vector markup language and all manner of other "goodies" that are not part of the HTML standard. I can't remember all the settings available in HTML Filter 2, but ones to watch out for are anything to do with the STYLE tag. You must not remove the style tag, because your page contains an internal stylesheet. You can't remove Office Tags either, because you have VML shapes in there :-) I assume you have saved the following web page? http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/as...552491033.aspx That lists all the filter switches you can use if you run the thing from the command line. It is also the only place you will find a description of what the options in the dialog box actually DO when you run HTML Filter 2 on its own. You CAN use: Switch Description -a Leaves standard @-rule definitions (@page and @font-face) in the HTML file. -b Prevents a backup copy (.bak) of the input file from being created. The setting is only relevant when there is no output file. If you specify an output file, the input file remains unchanged. -f If any of the files being created by the utility already exist, this option overwrites those files without prompting the user. If you do not specify this option, the program prompts you when it finds an existing file. -l Removes LANG attributes (language information), such as in body lang=EN-US. -m Prevents the creation of GENERATOR and ORIGINATOR META tags, which contain information about the originating program (Word or Excel) and the latest generating program (Office HTML Filter). -o Leaves Office-specific mso- properties and XML tags that represent document settings in the HTML file. -r Prevents the display of the percentage change in file size. -t Deletes nonessential linked files from the supporting files folder associated with the input file. You must NOT use: Switch Description -c Removes all standard cascading style sheet (CSS) properties. -s Removes local STYLE elements so that when you link to an external style sheet, style elements in the local document will update when the external style sheet is updated. -v Keeps VML, but deletes static images. That's an intensely complex page you have created. Whether you "intended" it to be or not, it *is* :-) It is making use of a LOT of the advanced features of Word's XML. Whether you "need" those is another debate entirely, but currently, if you filter than page aggressively, it will fall apart. Yes, the images are large, in any web page. In yours, they're twice the size because you are also storing VML images that can be re-sized (that's how you get the re-sizeable abilities of that web page). Late-model browsers will use the stretchable VML images, old browsers use the static conventional images. You have to keep both or your page won't work in old browsers. The only SAFE thing to do is try the filter options one-by-one, and look at your page in a browser to see what changes. When you get a good idea of what wrecks the page and what doesn't, run all the ones you know don't do any damage, and test again. If it still looks OK in your browser, now you know what you can use and what you can't. Upload the tested version to the web server. You will need to test all of your pages, because they will all be very complicated code and each will respond differently to the filter. Once you find a filter setting that works, write it down and use that in future :-) Hope this helps On 28/3/06 7:40 AM, in article , "Shirley Starke" wrote: Thanks! I ran across a link yesterday to download the filter, and noticed it was available in three versions. I assume I should get the one that works as a Word add-in. My Sheet Music page at http://valkyriepub.tripod.com/sheetmusic.htm is especially long; it loads in a few seconds on my computer, but I wonder if it loads as well for others! If not, I should probably use the filter on it, and on my other pages as well. Which setting would you recommend for someone who transfers the web pages back to Word via FTP and edits them again in Word? Thanks again! Shirley "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macinto" wrote: Hi Shirley: That filter won't prevent you from editing pages in Word, it simply thins out the XML Word adds to an HTML document. Word does not write "HTML". It never has. HTML is a simple language designed to describe web pages and be very compact. HTML does not have sufficient "words" in its vocabulary to describe a Word document. So: Word has always written "XML", 'Extensible Markup Language'. This is a much richer language that will fully describe a Word document (it's the format chosen as the native format for the Office 2007 applications). Regrettably, someone in Marketing decided years ago that we were too stupid to understand the difference. So they labelled Word's feature "HTML" and produced a "Save as Web Page" command. Well, it's not HTML, and it never was. They were sort-of correct about the web page -- an increasing number of "web pages" are now coded in XML, because their authors came up against the same restriction the Word designers encountered: if you want all of the features of a Word documents, such as headers and footers and page breaks and dynamic content, you need a richer language than HTML to transmit it. What HTML Filter 2 does is enable you to control "how much" simplification of your web pages occurs when you save. I used it extensively for making websites with Word 2000. You get the choice. If you check all the boxes, you get a very lightweight webpage that almost all browsers will display. If you don't check any, you get a full XML page that almost exactly replicates the Word document (an only late versions of Microsoft Internet Explorer can actually display properly). On the corporate intranet, I used to turn the filter up about half way, so people who wanted the pages to open in Word would still have that ability. On the external Internet, I turned the filter flat out so people working from home on dialup wouldn't have to wait minutes for their pages. If you're going to be doing a "lot" of web work in Word 2000, I recommend you get hold of that filter and try it out. Particularly, investigate the extra options you get with the little user interface (the filter can run as a stand-alone program) and the full set of options you get if you run it in batch mode from the command line. Having installed it, be careful when you upgrade: the next versions of Office will try to remove HTML Filter 2. Don't let them: it's seriously handy for difficult cases, you will want to keep it around :-) Hope this helps On 28/3/06 5:55 AM, in article , "Shirley Starke" wrote: Thank you! I found the answer - which was probably so simple that you assumed I had tried it in the first place. I remembered that there was an option in Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs, to enable features in Office, and wondered if I had to add the HTML Editor. It turned out that I did - I added it from the CD, and now it is working fine. I've thought of getting that filter, but haven't done it yet since I sometimes edit my web pages on the server, and later FTP them back to my computer and edit them again in Word. If I used the filter, I assume, I wouldn't be able to to that. Some of them are very long, but they seem to open in a reasonable amount of time, even with my dial-up connection. Thanks again! "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macinto" wrote: Hi Shirley: You're sure the document concerned IS in HTML format? Sorry: that's all I can think of. There was an add-in for Word 2000: Microsoft HTML Filter 2. You need to insure that that is installed and stays that way. Hope this helps On 27/3/06 5:06 PM, in article , "Shirley Starke" wrote: "HTML Source" is greyed out in my View menu in Word 2000 - with any and all documents. The problem may (or may not) have started when I installed the latest critical updates. Perhaps I have to do something to enable the HTML editor, but I have not been able to find a way to do this in Word. I would greatly appreciate any help. Thanks! -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email me unless I ask you to. 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