Graham, thanks for the tip --

I had tried to find a way to "grab" the WordArt object and paste it into the
IF "action" field before I posted the question, but couldn't figure a way to
do it (I couldn't seem to find a link field or anything similar "underneath"
it that actually stored the object). Can you suggest how to copy it?

Thanks,
Bill


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
You can use the Word Art (in Word 2002/3) in the conditional field just as
if it were text,
or save the required artwork as an autotext entry and use the conditional
field to insert an autotext field to call the graphic.
eg
{IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "Put your Word Art here"}
or
{IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "{Autotext "name"}"}

You will have to build the condition by hand using CTRL+F9 for the field
delimiters.
--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Bill Watkins wrote:
Is there a way using the IF field to conditionally include a WordArt
object?

Thanks.

I've had a little more luck getting the WordArt pastes into the IF field,
but I'm having trouble getting reliable behaivior from the field if the
WordArt object is "floating". It seems like once the IF field inserts the
object as floating, it can't be removed by a later update of the field. The
floating object remains even if I delete the entire field, and can only be
deleted by direct deletion of the object. (It's made more confusing,
because there's no apparent indication that the object is "in" the
fieldcode.)

The behavior seems reliable if I insert the object as an in-line "Picture",
but in this case, you lose the object positioning information and have to
mess around with paragraph positioning (of the field itself).

Inserting from Autotext also worked, but in this case, it looks like you
have to contend with template storage.

"Bill Watkins" wrote in message
...
Graham, thanks for the tip --

I had tried to find a way to "grab" the WordArt object and paste it into
the
IF "action" field before I posted the question, but couldn't figure a way
to
do it (I couldn't seem to find a link field or anything similar
"underneath"
it that actually stored the object). Can you suggest how to copy it?

Thanks,
Bill


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
You can use the Word Art (in Word 2002/3) in the conditional field just
as
if it were text,
or save the required artwork as an autotext entry and use the
conditional
field to insert an autotext field to call the graphic.
eg
{IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "Put your Word Art here"}
or
{IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "{Autotext "name"}"}

You will have to build the condition by hand using CTRL+F9 for the field
delimiters.
--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Bill Watkins wrote:
Is there a way using the IF field to conditionally include a WordArt
object?

Thanks.

If you display anchors for graphics it makes it a little easier. You can
drag and drop the anchor where you want your graphic to reside (even if it
shows up elsewhere on the page).
--

Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome!
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"Bill Watkins" wrote in message
...
I've had a little more luck getting the WordArt pastes into the IF field,
but I'm having trouble getting reliable behaivior from the field if the
WordArt object is "floating". It seems like once the IF field inserts the
object as floating, it can't be removed by a later update of the field.
The
floating object remains even if I delete the entire field, and can only be
deleted by direct deletion of the object. (It's made more confusing,
because there's no apparent indication that the object is "in" the
fieldcode.)

The behavior seems reliable if I insert the object as an in-line
"Picture",
but in this case, you lose the object positioning information and have to
mess around with paragraph positioning (of the field itself).

Inserting from Autotext also worked, but in this case, it looks like you
have to contend with template storage.

"Bill Watkins" wrote in message
...
Graham, thanks for the tip --

I had tried to find a way to "grab" the WordArt object and paste it into
the
IF "action" field before I posted the question, but couldn't figure a way
to
do it (I couldn't seem to find a link field or anything similar
"underneath"
it that actually stored the object). Can you suggest how to copy it?

Thanks,
Bill


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
You can use the Word Art (in Word 2002/3) in the conditional field just
as
if it were text,
or save the required artwork as an autotext entry and use the
conditional
field to insert an autotext field to call the graphic.
eg
{IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "Put your Word Art here"}
or
{IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "{Autotext "name"}"}

You will have to build the condition by hand using CTRL+F9 for the
field
delimiters.
--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Bill Watkins wrote:
Is there a way using the IF field to conditionally include a WordArt
object?

Thanks.

I guess this is postscript on this. I don't know whether trying to use the
IF field in a header was the problem, but at some point, having these
objects embedded in the IF field seems to send Word (2000) ballistic. The
graphic starts flashing and the memory count starts climbing. In one case,
Word just locked-up completely, taking several open documents with it.

The final form of the field I was working with was:
{ IF { DOCPROPERTY "Status" } = "Draft" "" \* MERGEFORMAT }, with the object
inserted as a Picture between the spaces after "Draft", and before the ""
(I put the double quotes in as the "else" text.) The graphic itself was a
large "Draft" watermark.

Other oddities when trying to work with the form was that when embedded in
the field, the graphic would occaisionlly become it's own brush, so if I
moved it, it dropped new copies of itself leaving a "trail".

I thought I had the INCLUDEPICTURE field approach working, but it too seemed
to have some flakey behaivior when used in a header, e.g., getting strangely
cropped or the graphic not being visible.

"Bill Watkins" wrote in message
...
I've had a little more luck getting the WordArt pastes into the IF field,
but I'm having trouble getting reliable behaivior from the field if the
WordArt object is "floating". It seems like once the IF field inserts the
object as floating, it can't be removed by a later update of the field.
The
floating object remains even if I delete the entire field, and can only be
deleted by direct deletion of the object. (It's made more confusing,
because there's no apparent indication that the object is "in" the
fieldcode.)

The behavior seems reliable if I insert the object as an in-line
"Picture",
but in this case, you lose the object positioning information and have to
mess around with paragraph positioning (of the field itself).

Inserting from Autotext also worked, but in this case, it looks like you
have to contend with template storage.

"Bill Watkins" wrote in message
...
Graham, thanks for the tip --

I had tried to find a way to "grab" the WordArt object and paste it into
the
IF "action" field before I posted the question, but couldn't figure a
way
to
do it (I couldn't seem to find a link field or anything similar
"underneath"
it that actually stored the object). Can you suggest how to copy it?

Thanks,
Bill


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
You can use the Word Art (in Word 2002/3) in the conditional field
just
as
if it were text,
or save the required artwork as an autotext entry and use the
conditional
field to insert an autotext field to call the graphic.
eg
{IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "Put your Word Art here"}
or
{IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "{Autotext "name"}"}

You will have to build the condition by hand using CTRL+F9 for the
field
delimiters.
--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Bill Watkins wrote:
Is there a way using the IF field to conditionally include a WordArt
object?

Thanks.

If you are going to insert a floating image then you are going to have to
use the autotext method. Position the word art before saving it as autotext.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Bill Watkins wrote:
I've had a little more luck getting the WordArt pastes into the IF
field, but I'm having trouble getting reliable behaivior from the
field if the WordArt object is "floating". It seems like once the IF
field inserts the object as floating, it can't be removed by a later
update of the field. The floating object remains even if I delete
the entire field, and can only be deleted by direct deletion of the
object. (It's made more confusing, because there's no apparent
indication that the object is "in" the fieldcode.)

The behavior seems reliable if I insert the object as an in-line
"Picture", but in this case, you lose the object positioning
information and have to mess around with paragraph positioning (of
the field itself).

Inserting from Autotext also worked, but in this case, it looks like
you have to contend with template storage.

"Bill Watkins" wrote in message
...
Graham, thanks for the tip --

I had tried to find a way to "grab" the WordArt object and paste it
into the IF "action" field before I posted the question, but
couldn't figure a way to do it (I couldn't seem to find a link field
or anything similar "underneath" it that actually stored the
object). Can you suggest how to copy it?

Thanks,
Bill


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
You can use the Word Art (in Word 2002/3) in the conditional field
just as if it were text,
or save the required artwork as an autotext entry and use the
conditional field to insert an autotext field to call the graphic.
eg
{IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "Put your Word Art here"}
or
{IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "{Autotext "name"}"}

You will have to build the condition by hand using CTRL+F9 for the
field delimiters.
--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Bill Watkins wrote:
Is there a way using the IF field to conditionally include a
WordArt object?

Thanks.

Ouch -- I think I stumbled into a nasty bug.

It appears that if I try to create a conditional graphic watermark in a
document by putting something like the following into an IF field in a
header, Word (2000 or 2003) will eventually go nuts:

{ IF { DOCPROPERTY Status} = "Draft" {AUTOTEXT DRAFTGRAPHIC \*
MERGEFORMAT }"Nothing" \* MERGEFORMAT }

(DRAFTGRAPHIC contains a Picture that started out as a WordArt object. The
Picture is set for behind text, and horizontal and vertial centering.)

As I posted in an earlier message in the thread, when I tried pasting the
object in question directly into the "success text" part of the IF field, I
got all kinds of weird effects from the graphic, including "cookie cutter
stamps" of the graphic, flashing graphics, etc., with Word eventually
choking. (That was in Word 2000.)

I thought adding the graphic via AutoText instead of paste to the IF field
was the fix, until I started adding a second page to the template I was
designing. (Using Word 2003 this time.) When I added the second page with
a Page Break, the weirdness started happening again. A look at the Task
Manager showed Word's memory climbing and Word grabbing up to 50% of the
CPU. Word itself wouldn't give me a cursor, wouldn't let me resize the
Window, and responded very slowly if at all to menu clicks or Close button
hits. The Spell checker also seemed to go off on tear, even though there
was only one line of text in a test document.

I did not see this behavior if the field code was placed in the body text,
only when in a header. I reproduced the behavior with a fresh template, new
graphics, and manually inserted field codes.

This is how I reproduced the problem in a very simple template (Word 2003):
Create a new template.
Create a simple WordArt object in the template.
Copy and Paste-Special that object as a Picture in the same template.
Set the Picture format to behind-text, and horizontally and vertically
centered.
Add the picture to that template's AutoText with a name like "DRAFTGRAPHIC".
Save the template.
Start a second template (the problem might reproduce in the original
template, but I didn't try that).
Use the Organizer to copy the AutoText item DRAFTGRAPHIC from the first
template into the second template.
If the property isn't already there, add a "Status" property to the second
template, and give it the value "Draft".
View Header/Footer.
Put the following field code into the header (I added some text like "It's
he" in front of the field code --don't know if this has anything to do
with it or not.):
{ IF { DOCPROPERTY Status} = "Draft" {AUTOTEXT DRAFTGRAPHIC \*
MERGEFORMAT }"Nothing" \* MERGEFORMAT }
- Refresh the header. The graphic from the AutoText should now be visible
on the page.

So far, so good. Nothing wierd should be happening (that I've seen,
anyway). If the Task Manager is up, Word's CPU and memory stats should
appear stable.

- Leave the header and go the body text.
- Enter a manual Page Break. You should now have the picture showing on
both pages.
- Scroll up and down over both pages a few times. (Setting the view to "Two
Pages" seems to accelerate the effect -- there appears to be some
relationship with both copies of the picture being visible at the same
time.)

Things to look for at this point -- Word gets very "busy" and won't give you
a cursor or respond reasonably to menu or window operations, the spell
checker runs continuously, the title bar is grayed, CPU and memory usage
start rising, and if things get really hairy, you may catch two instances of
the document's task appearing in the Task Manager. (It seems like the more
stuff that's in the document, the faster things go to heck.)

The things that have been constant in my attempts to make this work have
been the combination of the IF field containing a graphic object (whether
directly pasted or via AutoText) in a header. On the surface, it looks like
this is causing either a memory leak, or some kind of infinite repagination
(which might explain the Spell checker behavior).


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
If you are going to insert a floating image then you are going to have to
use the autotext method. Position the word art before saving it as
autotext.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Bill Watkins wrote:
I've had a little more luck getting the WordArt pastes into the IF
field, but I'm having trouble getting reliable behaivior from the
field if the WordArt object is "floating". It seems like once the IF
field inserts the object as floating, it can't be removed by a later
update of the field. The floating object remains even if I delete
the entire field, and can only be deleted by direct deletion of the
object. (It's made more confusing, because there's no apparent
indication that the object is "in" the fieldcode.)

The behavior seems reliable if I insert the object as an in-line
"Picture", but in this case, you lose the object positioning
information and have to mess around with paragraph positioning (of
the field itself).

Inserting from Autotext also worked, but in this case, it looks like
you have to contend with template storage.

"Bill Watkins" wrote in message
...
Graham, thanks for the tip --

I had tried to find a way to "grab" the WordArt object and paste it
into the IF "action" field before I posted the question, but
couldn't figure a way to do it (I couldn't seem to find a link field
or anything similar "underneath" it that actually stored the
object). Can you suggest how to copy it?

Thanks,
Bill


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
You can use the Word Art (in Word 2002/3) in the conditional field
just as if it were text,
or save the required artwork as an autotext entry and use the
conditional field to insert an autotext field to call the graphic.
eg
{IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "Put your Word Art here"}
or
{IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "{Autotext "name"}"}

You will have to build the condition by hand using CTRL+F9 for the
field delimiters.
--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Bill Watkins wrote:
Is there a way using the IF field to conditionally include a
WordArt object?

Thanks.

PS -- I should mention that on one occaision when Word went nuts, I got some
messages about Normal.dot being changed / recovered. Not sure what caused
this or what the change was, but I zapped the resulting Normal.dot anyway to
get a fresh copy. (I do have up-to-date virus protection, so I don't think
it was anything nefarious.)


"Bill Watkins" wrote in message
...
Ouch -- I think I stumbled into a nasty bug.

It appears that if I try to create a conditional graphic watermark in a
document by putting something like the following into an IF field in a
header, Word (2000 or 2003) will eventually go nuts:

{ IF { DOCPROPERTY Status} = "Draft" {AUTOTEXT DRAFTGRAPHIC \*
MERGEFORMAT }"Nothing" \* MERGEFORMAT }

(DRAFTGRAPHIC contains a Picture that started out as a WordArt object.
The Picture is set for behind text, and horizontal and vertial centering.)

As I posted in an earlier message in the thread, when I tried pasting the
object in question directly into the "success text" part of the IF field,
I got all kinds of weird effects from the graphic, including "cookie
cutter stamps" of the graphic, flashing graphics, etc., with Word
eventually choking. (That was in Word 2000.)

I thought adding the graphic via AutoText instead of paste to the IF field
was the fix, until I started adding a second page to the template I was
designing. (Using Word 2003 this time.) When I added the second page
with a Page Break, the weirdness started happening again. A look at the
Task Manager showed Word's memory climbing and Word grabbing up to 50% of
the CPU. Word itself wouldn't give me a cursor, wouldn't let me resize
the Window, and responded very slowly if at all to menu clicks or Close
button hits. The Spell checker also seemed to go off on tear, even though
there was only one line of text in a test document.

I did not see this behavior if the field code was placed in the body text,
only when in a header. I reproduced the behavior with a fresh template,
new graphics, and manually inserted field codes.

This is how I reproduced the problem in a very simple template (Word
2003):
Create a new template.
Create a simple WordArt object in the template.
Copy and Paste-Special that object as a Picture in the same template.
Set the Picture format to behind-text, and horizontally and vertically
centered.
Add the picture to that template's AutoText with a name like
"DRAFTGRAPHIC".
Save the template.
Start a second template (the problem might reproduce in the original
template, but I didn't try that).
Use the Organizer to copy the AutoText item DRAFTGRAPHIC from the first
template into the second template.
If the property isn't already there, add a "Status" property to the second
template, and give it the value "Draft".
View Header/Footer.
Put the following field code into the header (I added some text like "It's
he" in front of the field code --don't know if this has anything to do
with it or not.):
{ IF { DOCPROPERTY Status} = "Draft" {AUTOTEXT DRAFTGRAPHIC \*
MERGEFORMAT }"Nothing" \* MERGEFORMAT }
- Refresh the header. The graphic from the AutoText should now be visible
on the page.

So far, so good. Nothing wierd should be happening (that I've seen,
anyway). If the Task Manager is up, Word's CPU and memory stats should
appear stable.

- Leave the header and go the body text.
- Enter a manual Page Break. You should now have the picture showing on
both pages.
- Scroll up and down over both pages a few times. (Setting the view to
"Two Pages" seems to accelerate the effect -- there appears to be some
relationship with both copies of the picture being visible at the same
time.)

Things to look for at this point -- Word gets very "busy" and won't give
you a cursor or respond reasonably to menu or window operations, the spell
checker runs continuously, the title bar is grayed, CPU and memory usage
start rising, and if things get really hairy, you may catch two instances
of the document's task appearing in the Task Manager. (It seems like the
more stuff that's in the document, the faster things go to heck.)

The things that have been constant in my attempts to make this work have
been the combination of the IF field containing a graphic object (whether
directly pasted or via AutoText) in a header. On the surface, it looks
like this is causing either a memory leak, or some kind of infinite
repagination (which might explain the Spell checker behavior).


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
If you are going to insert a floating image then you are going to have to
use the autotext method. Position the word art before saving it as
autotext.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Bill Watkins wrote:
I've had a little more luck getting the WordArt pastes into the IF
field, but I'm having trouble getting reliable behaivior from the
field if the WordArt object is "floating". It seems like once the IF
field inserts the object as floating, it can't be removed by a later
update of the field. The floating object remains even if I delete
the entire field, and can only be deleted by direct deletion of the
object. (It's made more confusing, because there's no apparent
indication that the object is "in" the fieldcode.)

The behavior seems reliable if I insert the object as an in-line
"Picture", but in this case, you lose the object positioning
information and have to mess around with paragraph positioning (of
the field itself).

Inserting from Autotext also worked, but in this case, it looks like
you have to contend with template storage.

"Bill Watkins" wrote in message
...
Graham, thanks for the tip --

I had tried to find a way to "grab" the WordArt object and paste it
into the IF "action" field before I posted the question, but
couldn't figure a way to do it (I couldn't seem to find a link field
or anything similar "underneath" it that actually stored the
object). Can you suggest how to copy it?

Thanks,
Bill


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
You can use the Word Art (in Word 2002/3) in the conditional field
just as if it were text,
or save the required artwork as an autotext entry and use the
conditional field to insert an autotext field to call the graphic.
eg
{IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "Put your Word Art here"}
or
{IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "{Autotext "name"}"}

You will have to build the condition by hand using CTRL+F9 for the
field delimiters.
--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Bill Watkins wrote:
Is there a way using the IF field to conditionally include a
WordArt object?

Thanks.

I can't reproduce the problem here using your examples (Word 2003). To be
sure there is nothing amiss with your Word installation checkout the
measures listed at http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/...peningWord.htm
and http://www.gmayor.com/what_to_do_when_word_crashes.htm
If you are using Norton AV, uncheck its office plug-in option.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org





Bill Watkins wrote:
Ouch -- I think I stumbled into a nasty bug.

It appears that if I try to create a conditional graphic watermark in
a document by putting something like the following into an IF field
in a header, Word (2000 or 2003) will eventually go nuts:

{ IF { DOCPROPERTY Status} = "Draft" {AUTOTEXT DRAFTGRAPHIC \*
MERGEFORMAT }"Nothing" \* MERGEFORMAT }

(DRAFTGRAPHIC contains a Picture that started out as a WordArt
object. The Picture is set for behind text, and horizontal and
vertial centering.)

As I posted in an earlier message in the thread, when I tried pasting
the object in question directly into the "success text" part of the
IF field, I got all kinds of weird effects from the graphic,
including "cookie cutter stamps" of the graphic, flashing graphics,
etc., with Word eventually choking. (That was in Word 2000.)

I thought adding the graphic via AutoText instead of paste to the IF
field was the fix, until I started adding a second page to the
template I was designing. (Using Word 2003 this time.) When I added
the second page with a Page Break, the weirdness started happening
again. A look at the Task Manager showed Word's memory climbing and
Word grabbing up to 50% of the CPU. Word itself wouldn't give me a
cursor, wouldn't let me resize the Window, and responded very slowly
if at all to menu clicks or Close button hits. The Spell checker
also seemed to go off on tear, even though there was only one line of
text in a test document.

I did not see this behavior if the field code was placed in the body
text, only when in a header. I reproduced the behavior with a fresh
template, new graphics, and manually inserted field codes.

This is how I reproduced the problem in a very simple template (Word
2003): Create a new template.
Create a simple WordArt object in the template.
Copy and Paste-Special that object as a Picture in the same template.
Set the Picture format to behind-text, and horizontally and vertically
centered.
Add the picture to that template's AutoText with a name like
"DRAFTGRAPHIC". Save the template.
Start a second template (the problem might reproduce in the original
template, but I didn't try that).
Use the Organizer to copy the AutoText item DRAFTGRAPHIC from the
first template into the second template.
If the property isn't already there, add a "Status" property to the
second template, and give it the value "Draft".
View Header/Footer.
Put the following field code into the header (I added some text like
"It's he" in front of the field code --don't know if this has
anything to do with it or not.):
{ IF { DOCPROPERTY Status} = "Draft" {AUTOTEXT DRAFTGRAPHIC \*
MERGEFORMAT }"Nothing" \* MERGEFORMAT }
- Refresh the header. The graphic from the AutoText should now be
visible on the page.

So far, so good. Nothing wierd should be happening (that I've seen,
anyway). If the Task Manager is up, Word's CPU and memory stats should
appear stable.

- Leave the header and go the body text.
- Enter a manual Page Break. You should now have the picture showing
on both pages.
- Scroll up and down over both pages a few times. (Setting the view
to "Two Pages" seems to accelerate the effect -- there appears to be
some relationship with both copies of the picture being visible at
the same time.)

Things to look for at this point -- Word gets very "busy" and won't
give you a cursor or respond reasonably to menu or window operations,
the spell checker runs continuously, the title bar is grayed, CPU and
memory usage start rising, and if things get really hairy, you may
catch two instances of the document's task appearing in the Task
Manager. (It seems like the more stuff that's in the document, the
faster things go to heck.)

The things that have been constant in my attempts to make this work
have been the combination of the IF field containing a graphic object
(whether directly pasted or via AutoText) in a header. On the
surface, it looks like this is causing either a memory leak, or some
kind of infinite repagination (which might explain the Spell checker
behavior).


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
If you are going to insert a floating image then you are going to
have to use the autotext method. Position the word art before saving
it as autotext.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Bill Watkins wrote:
I've had a little more luck getting the WordArt pastes into the IF
field, but I'm having trouble getting reliable behaivior from the
field if the WordArt object is "floating". It seems like once the
IF field inserts the object as floating, it can't be removed by a
later update of the field. The floating object remains even if I
delete
the entire field, and can only be deleted by direct deletion of the
object. (It's made more confusing, because there's no apparent
indication that the object is "in" the fieldcode.)

The behavior seems reliable if I insert the object as an in-line
"Picture", but in this case, you lose the object positioning
information and have to mess around with paragraph positioning (of
the field itself).

Inserting from Autotext also worked, but in this case, it looks like
you have to contend with template storage.

"Bill Watkins" wrote in
message ...
Graham, thanks for the tip --

I had tried to find a way to "grab" the WordArt object and paste it
into the IF "action" field before I posted the question, but
couldn't figure a way to do it (I couldn't seem to find a link
field
or anything similar "underneath" it that actually stored the
object). Can you suggest how to copy it?

Thanks,
Bill


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
You can use the Word Art (in Word 2002/3) in the conditional field
just as if it were text,
or save the required artwork as an autotext entry and use the
conditional field to insert an autotext field to call the graphic.
eg
{IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "Put your Word Art here"}
or
{IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "{Autotext "name"}"}

You will have to build the condition by hand using CTRL+F9 for the
field delimiters.
--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Bill Watkins wrote:
Is there a way using the IF field to conditionally include a
WordArt object?

Thanks.

Had you saved normal.dot after you added your AutoText to it (if you saved
it in normal.dot rather than your document template)?
--

Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome!
--------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies
and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
from my ignorance and your wisdom.

"Bill Watkins" wrote in message
...
PS -- I should mention that on one occaision when Word went nuts, I got
some messages about Normal.dot being changed / recovered. Not sure what
caused this or what the change was, but I zapped the resulting Normal.dot
anyway to get a fresh copy. (I do have up-to-date virus protection, so I
don't think it was anything nefarious.)


"Bill Watkins" wrote in message
...
Ouch -- I think I stumbled into a nasty bug.

It appears that if I try to create a conditional graphic watermark in a
document by putting something like the following into an IF field in a
header, Word (2000 or 2003) will eventually go nuts:

{ IF { DOCPROPERTY Status} = "Draft" {AUTOTEXT DRAFTGRAPHIC \*
MERGEFORMAT }"Nothing" \* MERGEFORMAT }

(DRAFTGRAPHIC contains a Picture that started out as a WordArt object.
The Picture is set for behind text, and horizontal and vertial
centering.)

As I posted in an earlier message in the thread, when I tried pasting the
object in question directly into the "success text" part of the IF field,
I got all kinds of weird effects from the graphic, including "cookie
cutter stamps" of the graphic, flashing graphics, etc., with Word
eventually choking. (That was in Word 2000.)

I thought adding the graphic via AutoText instead of paste to the IF
field was the fix, until I started adding a second page to the template I
was designing. (Using Word 2003 this time.) When I added the second
page with a Page Break, the weirdness started happening again. A look at
the Task Manager showed Word's memory climbing and Word grabbing up to
50% of the CPU. Word itself wouldn't give me a cursor, wouldn't let me
resize the Window, and responded very slowly if at all to menu clicks or
Close button hits. The Spell checker also seemed to go off on tear, even
though there was only one line of text in a test document.

I did not see this behavior if the field code was placed in the body
text, only when in a header. I reproduced the behavior with a fresh
template, new graphics, and manually inserted field codes.

This is how I reproduced the problem in a very simple template (Word
2003):
Create a new template.
Create a simple WordArt object in the template.
Copy and Paste-Special that object as a Picture in the same template.
Set the Picture format to behind-text, and horizontally and vertically
centered.
Add the picture to that template's AutoText with a name like
"DRAFTGRAPHIC".
Save the template.
Start a second template (the problem might reproduce in the original
template, but I didn't try that).
Use the Organizer to copy the AutoText item DRAFTGRAPHIC from the first
template into the second template.
If the property isn't already there, add a "Status" property to the
second template, and give it the value "Draft".
View Header/Footer.
Put the following field code into the header (I added some text like
"It's he" in front of the field code --don't know if this has anything
to do with it or not.):
{ IF { DOCPROPERTY Status} = "Draft" {AUTOTEXT DRAFTGRAPHIC \*
MERGEFORMAT }"Nothing" \* MERGEFORMAT }
- Refresh the header. The graphic from the AutoText should now be
visible on the page.

So far, so good. Nothing wierd should be happening (that I've seen,
anyway). If the Task Manager is up, Word's CPU and memory stats should
appear stable.

- Leave the header and go the body text.
- Enter a manual Page Break. You should now have the picture showing on
both pages.
- Scroll up and down over both pages a few times. (Setting the view to
"Two Pages" seems to accelerate the effect -- there appears to be some
relationship with both copies of the picture being visible at the same
time.)

Things to look for at this point -- Word gets very "busy" and won't give
you a cursor or respond reasonably to menu or window operations, the
spell checker runs continuously, the title bar is grayed, CPU and memory
usage start rising, and if things get really hairy, you may catch two
instances of the document's task appearing in the Task Manager. (It
seems like the more stuff that's in the document, the faster things go to
heck.)

The things that have been constant in my attempts to make this work have
been the combination of the IF field containing a graphic object (whether
directly pasted or via AutoText) in a header. On the surface, it looks
like this is causing either a memory leak, or some kind of infinite
repagination (which might explain the Spell checker behavior).


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
If you are going to insert a floating image then you are going to have
to
use the autotext method. Position the word art before saving it as
autotext.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Bill Watkins wrote:
I've had a little more luck getting the WordArt pastes into the IF
field, but I'm having trouble getting reliable behaivior from the
field if the WordArt object is "floating". It seems like once the IF
field inserts the object as floating, it can't be removed by a later
update of the field. The floating object remains even if I delete
the entire field, and can only be deleted by direct deletion of the
object. (It's made more confusing, because there's no apparent
indication that the object is "in" the fieldcode.)

The behavior seems reliable if I insert the object as an in-line
"Picture", but in this case, you lose the object positioning
information and have to mess around with paragraph positioning (of
the field itself).

Inserting from Autotext also worked, but in this case, it looks like
you have to contend with template storage.

"Bill Watkins" wrote in message
...
Graham, thanks for the tip --

I had tried to find a way to "grab" the WordArt object and paste it
into the IF "action" field before I posted the question, but
couldn't figure a way to do it (I couldn't seem to find a link field
or anything similar "underneath" it that actually stored the
object). Can you suggest how to copy it?

Thanks,
Bill


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
You can use the Word Art (in Word 2002/3) in the conditional field
just as if it were text,
or save the required artwork as an autotext entry and use the
conditional field to insert an autotext field to call the graphic.
eg
{IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "Put your Word Art here"}
or
{IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "{Autotext "name"}"}

You will have to build the condition by hand using CTRL+F9 for the
field delimiters.
--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Bill Watkins wrote:
Is there a way using the IF field to conditionally include a
WordArt object?

Thanks.

The AutoText was saved in the template I was working on.

"Charles Kenyon" wrote in
message ...
Had you saved normal.dot after you added your AutoText to it (if you saved
it in normal.dot rather than your document template)?
--

Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome!
--------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies
and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
from my ignorance and your wisdom.

"Bill Watkins" wrote in message
...
PS -- I should mention that on one occaision when Word went nuts, I got
some messages about Normal.dot being changed / recovered. Not sure what
caused this or what the change was, but I zapped the resulting Normal.dot
anyway to get a fresh copy. (I do have up-to-date virus protection, so
I don't think it was anything nefarious.)


"Bill Watkins" wrote in message
...
Ouch -- I think I stumbled into a nasty bug.

It appears that if I try to create a conditional graphic watermark in a
document by putting something like the following into an IF field in a
header, Word (2000 or 2003) will eventually go nuts:

{ IF { DOCPROPERTY Status} = "Draft" {AUTOTEXT DRAFTGRAPHIC \*
MERGEFORMAT }"Nothing" \* MERGEFORMAT }

(DRAFTGRAPHIC contains a Picture that started out as a WordArt object.
The Picture is set for behind text, and horizontal and vertial
centering.)

As I posted in an earlier message in the thread, when I tried pasting
the object in question directly into the "success text" part of the IF
field, I got all kinds of weird effects from the graphic, including
"cookie cutter stamps" of the graphic, flashing graphics, etc., with
Word eventually choking. (That was in Word 2000.)

I thought adding the graphic via AutoText instead of paste to the IF
field was the fix, until I started adding a second page to the template
I was designing. (Using Word 2003 this time.) When I added the second
page with a Page Break, the weirdness started happening again. A look
at the Task Manager showed Word's memory climbing and Word grabbing up
to 50% of the CPU. Word itself wouldn't give me a cursor, wouldn't let
me resize the Window, and responded very slowly if at all to menu clicks
or Close button hits. The Spell checker also seemed to go off on tear,
even though there was only one line of text in a test document.

I did not see this behavior if the field code was placed in the body
text, only when in a header. I reproduced the behavior with a fresh
template, new graphics, and manually inserted field codes.

This is how I reproduced the problem in a very simple template (Word
2003):
Create a new template.
Create a simple WordArt object in the template.
Copy and Paste-Special that object as a Picture in the same template.
Set the Picture format to behind-text, and horizontally and vertically
centered.
Add the picture to that template's AutoText with a name like
"DRAFTGRAPHIC".
Save the template.
Start a second template (the problem might reproduce in the original
template, but I didn't try that).
Use the Organizer to copy the AutoText item DRAFTGRAPHIC from the first
template into the second template.
If the property isn't already there, add a "Status" property to the
second template, and give it the value "Draft".
View Header/Footer.
Put the following field code into the header (I added some text like
"It's he" in front of the field code --don't know if this has
anything to do with it or not.):
{ IF { DOCPROPERTY Status} = "Draft" {AUTOTEXT DRAFTGRAPHIC \*
MERGEFORMAT }"Nothing" \* MERGEFORMAT }
- Refresh the header. The graphic from the AutoText should now be
visible on the page.

So far, so good. Nothing wierd should be happening (that I've seen,
anyway). If the Task Manager is up, Word's CPU and memory stats should
appear stable.

- Leave the header and go the body text.
- Enter a manual Page Break. You should now have the picture showing on
both pages.
- Scroll up and down over both pages a few times. (Setting the view to
"Two Pages" seems to accelerate the effect -- there appears to be some
relationship with both copies of the picture being visible at the same
time.)

Things to look for at this point -- Word gets very "busy" and won't give
you a cursor or respond reasonably to menu or window operations, the
spell checker runs continuously, the title bar is grayed, CPU and memory
usage start rising, and if things get really hairy, you may catch two
instances of the document's task appearing in the Task Manager. (It
seems like the more stuff that's in the document, the faster things go
to heck.)

The things that have been constant in my attempts to make this work have
been the combination of the IF field containing a graphic object
(whether directly pasted or via AutoText) in a header. On the surface,
it looks like this is causing either a memory leak, or some kind of
infinite repagination (which might explain the Spell checker behavior).


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
If you are going to insert a floating image then you are going to have
to
use the autotext method. Position the word art before saving it as
autotext.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Bill Watkins wrote:
I've had a little more luck getting the WordArt pastes into the IF
field, but I'm having trouble getting reliable behaivior from the
field if the WordArt object is "floating". It seems like once the IF
field inserts the object as floating, it can't be removed by a later
update of the field. The floating object remains even if I delete
the entire field, and can only be deleted by direct deletion of the
object. (It's made more confusing, because there's no apparent
indication that the object is "in" the fieldcode.)

The behavior seems reliable if I insert the object as an in-line
"Picture", but in this case, you lose the object positioning
information and have to mess around with paragraph positioning (of
the field itself).

Inserting from Autotext also worked, but in this case, it looks like
you have to contend with template storage.

"Bill Watkins" wrote in message
...
Graham, thanks for the tip --

I had tried to find a way to "grab" the WordArt object and paste it
into the IF "action" field before I posted the question, but
couldn't figure a way to do it (I couldn't seem to find a link field
or anything similar "underneath" it that actually stored the
object). Can you suggest how to copy it?

Thanks,
Bill


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
You can use the Word Art (in Word 2002/3) in the conditional field
just as if it were text,
or save the required artwork as an autotext entry and use the
conditional field to insert an autotext field to call the graphic.
eg
{IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "Put your Word Art here"}
or
{IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "{Autotext "name"}"}

You will have to build the condition by hand using CTRL+F9 for the
field delimiters.
--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Bill Watkins wrote:
Is there a way using the IF field to conditionally include a
WordArt object?

Thanks.

I turned off the NAV Office plug-in option, but it had no apparent effect.
(We use MacAfee and Word 2000 in the office, and I had similar problems
there, albeit using a direct paste of the object into the IF field.)

Part of the triggering mechanism appears to be having the two pages in view
at the same time. It sometimes takes a bit of scrolling up and down over
the "border" between the pages before the fun starts. (Watch Winword in the
process list while doing this. What I've seen is some early oscillation in
memory, but then a steady rise, accompanied by CPU usage in the 50% range.)

"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
I can't reproduce the problem here using your examples (Word 2003). To be
sure there is nothing amiss with your Word installation checkout the
measures listed at
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/...peningWord.htm
and http://www.gmayor.com/what_to_do_when_word_crashes.htm
If you are using Norton AV, uncheck its office plug-in option.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org





Bill Watkins wrote:
Ouch -- I think I stumbled into a nasty bug.

It appears that if I try to create a conditional graphic watermark in
a document by putting something like the following into an IF field
in a header, Word (2000 or 2003) will eventually go nuts:

{ IF { DOCPROPERTY Status} = "Draft" {AUTOTEXT DRAFTGRAPHIC \*
MERGEFORMAT }"Nothing" \* MERGEFORMAT }

(DRAFTGRAPHIC contains a Picture that started out as a WordArt
object. The Picture is set for behind text, and horizontal and
vertial centering.)

As I posted in an earlier message in the thread, when I tried pasting
the object in question directly into the "success text" part of the
IF field, I got all kinds of weird effects from the graphic,
including "cookie cutter stamps" of the graphic, flashing graphics,
etc., with Word eventually choking. (That was in Word 2000.)

I thought adding the graphic via AutoText instead of paste to the IF
field was the fix, until I started adding a second page to the
template I was designing. (Using Word 2003 this time.) When I added
the second page with a Page Break, the weirdness started happening
again. A look at the Task Manager showed Word's memory climbing and
Word grabbing up to 50% of the CPU. Word itself wouldn't give me a
cursor, wouldn't let me resize the Window, and responded very slowly
if at all to menu clicks or Close button hits. The Spell checker
also seemed to go off on tear, even though there was only one line of
text in a test document.

I did not see this behavior if the field code was placed in the body
text, only when in a header. I reproduced the behavior with a fresh
template, new graphics, and manually inserted field codes.

This is how I reproduced the problem in a very simple template (Word
2003): Create a new template.
Create a simple WordArt object in the template.
Copy and Paste-Special that object as a Picture in the same template.
Set the Picture format to behind-text, and horizontally and vertically
centered.
Add the picture to that template's AutoText with a name like
"DRAFTGRAPHIC". Save the template.
Start a second template (the problem might reproduce in the original
template, but I didn't try that).
Use the Organizer to copy the AutoText item DRAFTGRAPHIC from the
first template into the second template.
If the property isn't already there, add a "Status" property to the
second template, and give it the value "Draft".
View Header/Footer.
Put the following field code into the header (I added some text like
"It's he" in front of the field code --don't know if this has
anything to do with it or not.):
{ IF { DOCPROPERTY Status} = "Draft" {AUTOTEXT DRAFTGRAPHIC \*
MERGEFORMAT }"Nothing" \* MERGEFORMAT }
- Refresh the header. The graphic from the AutoText should now be
visible on the page.

So far, so good. Nothing wierd should be happening (that I've seen,
anyway). If the Task Manager is up, Word's CPU and memory stats should
appear stable.

- Leave the header and go the body text.
- Enter a manual Page Break. You should now have the picture showing
on both pages.
- Scroll up and down over both pages a few times. (Setting the view
to "Two Pages" seems to accelerate the effect -- there appears to be
some relationship with both copies of the picture being visible at
the same time.)

Things to look for at this point -- Word gets very "busy" and won't
give you a cursor or respond reasonably to menu or window operations,
the spell checker runs continuously, the title bar is grayed, CPU and
memory usage start rising, and if things get really hairy, you may
catch two instances of the document's task appearing in the Task
Manager. (It seems like the more stuff that's in the document, the
faster things go to heck.)

The things that have been constant in my attempts to make this work
have been the combination of the IF field containing a graphic object
(whether directly pasted or via AutoText) in a header. On the
surface, it looks like this is causing either a memory leak, or some
kind of infinite repagination (which might explain the Spell checker
behavior).


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
If you are going to insert a floating image then you are going to
have to use the autotext method. Position the word art before saving
it as autotext.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Bill Watkins wrote:
I've had a little more luck getting the WordArt pastes into the IF
field, but I'm having trouble getting reliable behaivior from the
field if the WordArt object is "floating". It seems like once the
IF field inserts the object as floating, it can't be removed by a
later update of the field. The floating object remains even if I
delete
the entire field, and can only be deleted by direct deletion of the
object. (It's made more confusing, because there's no apparent
indication that the object is "in" the fieldcode.)

The behavior seems reliable if I insert the object as an in-line
"Picture", but in this case, you lose the object positioning
information and have to mess around with paragraph positioning (of
the field itself).

Inserting from Autotext also worked, but in this case, it looks like
you have to contend with template storage.

"Bill Watkins" wrote in
message ...
Graham, thanks for the tip --

I had tried to find a way to "grab" the WordArt object and paste it
into the IF "action" field before I posted the question, but
couldn't figure a way to do it (I couldn't seem to find a link
field
or anything similar "underneath" it that actually stored the
object). Can you suggest how to copy it?

Thanks,
Bill


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
You can use the Word Art (in Word 2002/3) in the conditional field
just as if it were text,
or save the required artwork as an autotext entry and use the
conditional field to insert an autotext field to call the graphic.
eg
{IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "Put your Word Art here"}
or
{IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "{Autotext "name"}"}

You will have to build the condition by hand using CTRL+F9 for the
field delimiters.
--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Bill Watkins wrote:
Is there a way using the IF field to conditionally include a
WordArt object?

Thanks.

I turned off the NAV Office plug-in option, but it had no apparent effect.
(We use MacAfee and Word 2000 in the office, and I had similar problems
there, albeit using a direct paste of the object into the IF field.)

I'm attaching two of the simple test .dot's that have the problem. "Clean
Test 1..." was created similar to the steps I described. Add a single page
break after the "Just some text over the graphic" line, and then scroll up
and down over the two pages for a bit so that both pages are usually
partially in view (having two pages in view appears to be part of the
triggering mechanism). (BTW, the text over the graphic was just one thing I
was testing-- it appeared to have no real effect, and the same thing
happened if I had only have a single paragraph mark in the body before I
added the page break, as in the steps I sent. In a document with somewhat
more body text over the graphic, the body text often starts to "blink" a bit
when scrolled.)

For some reason, it takes a few moments for the problems to start, but
eventually if I keep scrolling over the two pages, Word gets "busy" and
won't give me back control, and the memory count starts climbing (it
oscillates a bit at first, but keeps rising overall). Once or twice, it has
eventually responded to the Close window command, but usually I have to kill
the application from the Task Manager. I also get this strange phenomenon
of two instances of the document-application appearing intermittently in the
Task Manager's "Application" tab.

"Clean Test 2..." was a save I made of "Clean Test 1..." immediately after
inserting the page break and before things got out of hand (but it still
took a long time to respond to the save command). Interestingly, "Clean
Test 2" didn't go completely bonkers the first time I opened it until I
added another page break (to make three pages), and kept two pages in view.
The CPU was somewhat less, but the memory climb was pretty steady. The
second time I opened "Clean Test 2", the CPU went high pretty quickly.
Again, it appears to have something to do with two pages being in view.

"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
I can't reproduce the problem here using your examples (Word 2003). To be
sure there is nothing amiss with your Word installation checkout the
measures listed at
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/...peningWord.htm
and http://www.gmayor.com/what_to_do_when_word_crashes.htm
If you are using Norton AV, uncheck its office plug-in option.

--

Please do not attach anything to posts in these newsgroups.
--

Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome!
--------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies
and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
from my ignorance and your wisdom.

"Bill Watkins" wrote in message
...
I turned off the NAV Office plug-in option, but it had no apparent effect.
(We use MacAfee and Word 2000 in the office, and I had similar problems
there, albeit using a direct paste of the object into the IF field.)

I'm attaching two of the simple test .dot's that have the problem.
"Clean
Test 1..." was created similar to the steps I described. Add a single
page
break after the "Just some text over the graphic" line, and then scroll up
and down over the two pages for a bit so that both pages are usually
partially in view (having two pages in view appears to be part of the
triggering mechanism). (BTW, the text over the graphic was just one thing
I
was testing-- it appeared to have no real effect, and the same thing
happened if I had only have a single paragraph mark in the body before I
added the page break, as in the steps I sent. In a document with somewhat
more body text over the graphic, the body text often starts to "blink" a
bit
when scrolled.)

For some reason, it takes a few moments for the problems to start, but
eventually if I keep scrolling over the two pages, Word gets "busy" and
won't give me back control, and the memory count starts climbing (it
oscillates a bit at first, but keeps rising overall). Once or twice, it
has
eventually responded to the Close window command, but usually I have to
kill
the application from the Task Manager. I also get this strange phenomenon
of two instances of the document-application appearing intermittently in
the
Task Manager's "Application" tab.

"Clean Test 2..." was a save I made of "Clean Test 1..." immediately after
inserting the page break and before things got out of hand (but it still
took a long time to respond to the save command). Interestingly, "Clean
Test 2" didn't go completely bonkers the first time I opened it until I
added another page break (to make three pages), and kept two pages in
view.
The CPU was somewhat less, but the memory climb was pretty steady. The
second time I opened "Clean Test 2", the CPU went high pretty quickly.
Again, it appears to have something to do with two pages being in view.

"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
I can't reproduce the problem here using your examples (Word 2003). To be
sure there is nothing amiss with your Word installation checkout the
measures listed at
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/...peningWord.htm
and http://www.gmayor.com/what_to_do_when_word_crashes.htm
If you are using Norton AV, uncheck its office plug-in option.

--

Sorry.


"Charles Kenyon" wrote in
message ...
Please do not attach anything to posts in these newsgroups.
--

Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome!
--------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies
and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
from my ignorance and your wisdom.

"Bill Watkins" wrote in message
...
I turned off the NAV Office plug-in option, but it had no apparent effect.
(We use MacAfee and Word 2000 in the office, and I had similar problems
there, albeit using a direct paste of the object into the IF field.)

I'm attaching two of the simple test .dot's that have the problem.
"Clean
Test 1..." was created similar to the steps I described. Add a single
page
break after the "Just some text over the graphic" line, and then scroll
up
and down over the two pages for a bit so that both pages are usually
partially in view (having two pages in view appears to be part of the
triggering mechanism). (BTW, the text over the graphic was just one thing
I
was testing-- it appeared to have no real effect, and the same thing
happened if I had only have a single paragraph mark in the body before I
added the page break, as in the steps I sent. In a document with
somewhat
more body text over the graphic, the body text often starts to "blink" a
bit
when scrolled.)

For some reason, it takes a few moments for the problems to start, but
eventually if I keep scrolling over the two pages, Word gets "busy" and
won't give me back control, and the memory count starts climbing (it
oscillates a bit at first, but keeps rising overall). Once or twice, it
has
eventually responded to the Close window command, but usually I have to
kill
the application from the Task Manager. I also get this strange
phenomenon
of two instances of the document-application appearing intermittently in
the
Task Manager's "Application" tab.

"Clean Test 2..." was a save I made of "Clean Test 1..." immediately
after
inserting the page break and before things got out of hand (but it still
took a long time to respond to the save command). Interestingly, "Clean
Test 2" didn't go completely bonkers the first time I opened it until I
added another page break (to make three pages), and kept two pages in
view.
The CPU was somewhat less, but the memory climb was pretty steady. The
second time I opened "Clean Test 2", the CPU went high pretty quickly.
Again, it appears to have something to do with two pages being in view.

"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
I can't reproduce the problem here using your examples (Word 2003). To be
sure there is nothing amiss with your Word installation checkout the
measures listed at
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/...peningWord.htm
and http://www.gmayor.com/what_to_do_when_word_crashes.htm
If you are using Norton AV, uncheck its office plug-in option.

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