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Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first
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I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up
to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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![]() "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an
issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would consider it not worth worrying about. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:LsYmf.22673$QW2.18131@dukeread08... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the same
thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would consider it not worth worrying about. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:LsYmf.22673$QW2.18131@dukeread08... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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I'd still suggest updating your video drivers.
Does this problem appear on other computers? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:S6Zmf.22939$QW2.22744@dukeread08... It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would consider it not worth worrying about. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:LsYmf.22673$QW2.18131@dukeread08... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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![]() "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I'd still suggest updating your video drivers. I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not do this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver issue. I think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of this same font. Does this problem appear on other computers? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:S6Zmf.22939$QW2.22744@dukeread08... It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would consider it not worth worrying about. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:LsYmf.22673$QW2.18131@dukeread08... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and they
were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking about Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks". I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to rule out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:JLZmf.23188$QW2.20129@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I'd still suggest updating your video drivers. I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not do this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver issue. I think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of this same font. Does this problem appear on other computers? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:S6Zmf.22939$QW2.22744@dukeread08... It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would consider it not worth worrying about. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:LsYmf.22673$QW2.18131@dukeread08... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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![]() "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and they were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking about Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks". I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to rule out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program. How could it possibly be a video driver issue if notepad on the same computer, and Non-italic in the same font on the same computer does not have this problem? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:JLZmf.23188$QW2.20129@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I'd still suggest updating your video drivers. I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not do this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver issue. I think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of this same font. Does this problem appear on other computers? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:S6Zmf.22939$QW2.22744@dukeread08... It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would consider it not worth worrying about. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:LsYmf.22673$QW2.18131@dukeread08... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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If I could answer questions like that, do you think I'd be giving free
support? Let me answer that - no. I'd be charging big bucks and then I wouldn't have to worry about whether my husband's vehicle will make it thru the winter. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:n9_mf.23358$QW2.13366@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and they were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking about Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks". I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to rule out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program. How could it possibly be a video driver issue if notepad on the same computer, and Non-italic in the same font on the same computer does not have this problem? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:JLZmf.23188$QW2.20129@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I'd still suggest updating your video drivers. I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not do this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver issue. I think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of this same font. Does this problem appear on other computers? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:S6Zmf.22939$QW2.22744@dukeread08... It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would consider it not worth worrying about. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:LsYmf.22673$QW2.18131@dukeread08... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we
CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers on which I have tried it. As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers. -- Hope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:n9_mf.23358$QW2.13366@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and they were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking about Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks". I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to rule out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program. How could it possibly be a video driver issue if notepad on the same computer, and Non-italic in the same font on the same computer does not have this problem? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:JLZmf.23188$QW2.20129@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I'd still suggest updating your video drivers. I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not do this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver issue. I think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of this same font. Does this problem appear on other computers? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:S6Zmf.22939$QW2.22744@dukeread08... It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would consider it not worth worrying about. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:LsYmf.22673$QW2.18131@dukeread08... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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Well, it doesn't happen for me at 100% Zoom on a 17" Trinitron-type Dell CRT
monitor at 1024 x 768. We don't know what kind of equipment and settings Peter is using. Perhaps it would help to know why this is an issue he cannot ignore. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message ... While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers on which I have tried it. As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers. -- Hope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:n9_mf.23358$QW2.13366@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and they were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking about Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks". I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to rule out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program. How could it possibly be a video driver issue if notepad on the same computer, and Non-italic in the same font on the same computer does not have this problem? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:JLZmf.23188$QW2.20129@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I'd still suggest updating your video drivers. I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not do this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver issue. I think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of this same font. Does this problem appear on other computers? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:S6Zmf.22939$QW2.22744@dukeread08... It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would consider it not worth worrying about. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:LsYmf.22673$QW2.18131@dukeread08... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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(1) I can't try it on another computer. The only other computer that I have is
identical to this one. (2) The reasoning that I provided proves that it can't be the display driver. (3) I am talking about a difference that is small enough that you can't see it unless you look at the pixels enlarged sixteen times. "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message ... While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers on which I have tried it. As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers. -- Hope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:n9_mf.23358$QW2.13366@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and they were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking about Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks". I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to rule out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program. How could it possibly be a video driver issue if notepad on the same computer, and Non-italic in the same font on the same computer does not have this problem? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:JLZmf.23188$QW2.20129@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I'd still suggest updating your video drivers. I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not do this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver issue. I think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of this same font. Does this problem appear on other computers? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:S6Zmf.22939$QW2.22744@dukeread08... It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would consider it not worth worrying about. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:LsYmf.22673$QW2.18131@dukeread08... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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Try a 1600% zoom and see if you can see this on {Times New Roman, Bold, Italic,
24-Point} "fff". It works fine if its not italic, as soon as you change to italic the first "f" is exactly one pixel closer to the second "f" than the third "f". *** NOTE *** You can't use MS Word Zoom, this does not actually enlarge the pixels, it only changes the point size displayed on the screen. I use another program to copy the bitmap image of the screen. Then I use a third program to view this bitmap image. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Well, it doesn't happen for me at 100% Zoom on a 17" Trinitron-type Dell CRT monitor at 1024 x 768. We don't know what kind of equipment and settings Peter is using. Perhaps it would help to know why this is an issue he cannot ignore. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message ... While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers on which I have tried it. As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers. -- Hope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:n9_mf.23358$QW2.13366@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and they were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking about Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks". I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to rule out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program. How could it possibly be a video driver issue if notepad on the same computer, and Non-italic in the same font on the same computer does not have this problem? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:JLZmf.23188$QW2.20129@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I'd still suggest updating your video drivers. I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not do this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver issue. I think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of this same font. Does this problem appear on other computers? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:S6Zmf.22939$QW2.22744@dukeread08... It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would consider it not worth worrying about. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:LsYmf.22673$QW2.18131@dukeread08... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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I tried it again using {Times New Roman, Bold, Italic, 24-point}
I tried this typing "fff fff fff" and the problem did not occur on the first "fff", only the second one and the third one. It can be seen on the screen without pixel magnification. The right side of the cross line "t" portion of the first "f" is one pixel away from the the left side of the cross line "t" portion of the second "f" whereas this same distance between the seond "f" and the third "f" is two pixels. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Well, it doesn't happen for me at 100% Zoom on a 17" Trinitron-type Dell CRT monitor at 1024 x 768. We don't know what kind of equipment and settings Peter is using. Perhaps it would help to know why this is an issue he cannot ignore. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message ... While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers on which I have tried it. As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers. -- Hope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:n9_mf.23358$QW2.13366@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and they were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking about Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks". I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to rule out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program. How could it possibly be a video driver issue if notepad on the same computer, and Non-italic in the same font on the same computer does not have this problem? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:JLZmf.23188$QW2.20129@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I'd still suggest updating your video drivers. I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not do this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver issue. I think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of this same font. Does this problem appear on other computers? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:S6Zmf.22939$QW2.22744@dukeread08... It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would consider it not worth worrying about. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:LsYmf.22673$QW2.18131@dukeread08... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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"Peter Olcott" wrote in
news:CA1nf.24491$QW2.5329@dukeread08: (1) I can't try it on another computer. The only other computer that I have is identical to this one. (2) The reasoning that I provided proves that it can't be the display driver. (3) I am talking about a difference that is small enough that you can't see it unless you look at the pixels enlarged sixteen times. "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message ... While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers on which I have tried it. As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers. -- Hope this helps. (snipped massive quotes and indentations) Might well be that the "right" placement of the characters is about 1/2 of a pixel. As a result, rounding will move some characters slightly to the left, and others slightly to the right. When viewed with your particular maginfying glass, the spacing will be non-uniform. If so, there is likely nothing you can really do about it. Change to a different screen resolution will change the rounding properties, and might fix this (or might make it worse!), and could well depend on just where across the screen the characters are shown. But, if your "ideal" display needs to place a character to begin 10.73 pixels from the left edge, and the next character 17.21 pixels from the left edge - they are going to round the first up and the second down, and move them closer together than your "ideal, infinite resolution" display. I'll call it a display hardware and/or display driver question. Depending on _exactly_ how a particular software package uses that hardware and that driver, can easily show different presentation results, when view with your microscope. That likely explains any Word versus Notepad difference. How does all this print on something like a 600 DPI printer, by the way? Printer resolutions are vastly more refined than any display, so you will need a more powerful microscope to notice any non-uniform spacing caused by rounding in the arithmetic. Lynn Killingbeck |
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![]() "LC Killingbeck" wrote in message m... "Peter Olcott" wrote in news:CA1nf.24491$QW2.5329@dukeread08: (1) I can't try it on another computer. The only other computer that I have is identical to this one. (2) The reasoning that I provided proves that it can't be the display driver. (3) I am talking about a difference that is small enough that you can't see it unless you look at the pixels enlarged sixteen times. "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message ... While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers on which I have tried it. As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers. -- Hope this helps. (snipped massive quotes and indentations) Might well be that the "right" placement of the characters is about 1/2 of a pixel. As a result, rounding will move some characters slightly to the left, and others slightly to the right. When viewed with your particular maginfying glass, the spacing will be non-uniform. It is uniform in MS Publisher 98, MS Paint, MS NotePad, and even the first set of "fff" in MS Word, it is only non-uniform in the subsequent sets of "fff" in Ms Word. If so, there is likely nothing you can really do about it. Change to a different screen resolution will change the rounding properties, and might fix this (or might make it worse!), and could well depend on just where across the screen the characters are shown. But, if your "ideal" display needs to place a character to begin 10.73 pixels from the left edge, and the next character 17.21 pixels from the left edge - they are going to round the first up and the second down, and move them closer together than your "ideal, infinite resolution" display. I'll call it a display hardware and/or display driver question. Depending on _exactly_ how a particular software package uses that hardware and that driver, can easily show different presentation results, when view with your microscope. That likely explains any Word versus Notepad difference. How does all this print on something like a 600 DPI printer, by the way? Printer resolutions are vastly more refined than any display, so you will need a more powerful microscope to notice any non-uniform spacing caused by rounding in the arithmetic. Printouts look perfect. Lynn Killingbeck |
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I gotta ask - what word are you using that has three f's in a row?
-- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news ![]() "LC Killingbeck" wrote in message m... "Peter Olcott" wrote in news:CA1nf.24491$QW2.5329@dukeread08: (1) I can't try it on another computer. The only other computer that I have is identical to this one. (2) The reasoning that I provided proves that it can't be the display driver. (3) I am talking about a difference that is small enough that you can't see it unless you look at the pixels enlarged sixteen times. "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message ... While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers on which I have tried it. As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers. -- Hope this helps. (snipped massive quotes and indentations) Might well be that the "right" placement of the characters is about 1/2 of a pixel. As a result, rounding will move some characters slightly to the left, and others slightly to the right. When viewed with your particular maginfying glass, the spacing will be non-uniform. It is uniform in MS Publisher 98, MS Paint, MS NotePad, and even the first set of "fff" in MS Word, it is only non-uniform in the subsequent sets of "fff" in Ms Word. If so, there is likely nothing you can really do about it. Change to a different screen resolution will change the rounding properties, and might fix this (or might make it worse!), and could well depend on just where across the screen the characters are shown. But, if your "ideal" display needs to place a character to begin 10.73 pixels from the left edge, and the next character 17.21 pixels from the left edge - they are going to round the first up and the second down, and move them closer together than your "ideal, infinite resolution" display. I'll call it a display hardware and/or display driver question. Depending on _exactly_ how a particular software package uses that hardware and that driver, can easily show different presentation results, when view with your microscope. That likely explains any Word versus Notepad difference. How does all this print on something like a 600 DPI printer, by the way? Printer resolutions are vastly more refined than any display, so you will need a more powerful microscope to notice any non-uniform spacing caused by rounding in the arithmetic. Printouts look perfect. Lynn Killingbeck |
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If I type three sets of "fff," I see more space between the first two f's in
the first group than in the other two and more space between the last two f's in the last group than in the other two, which seems to confirm that this is probably a rounding error. You still haven't told us why this is so vital to you. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:xT1nf.24603$QW2.14626@dukeread08... I tried it again using {Times New Roman, Bold, Italic, 24-point} I tried this typing "fff fff fff" and the problem did not occur on the first "fff", only the second one and the third one. It can be seen on the screen without pixel magnification. The right side of the cross line "t" portion of the first "f" is one pixel away from the the left side of the cross line "t" portion of the second "f" whereas this same distance between the seond "f" and the third "f" is two pixels. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Well, it doesn't happen for me at 100% Zoom on a 17" Trinitron-type Dell CRT monitor at 1024 x 768. We don't know what kind of equipment and settings Peter is using. Perhaps it would help to know why this is an issue he cannot ignore. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message ... While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers on which I have tried it. As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers. -- Hope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:n9_mf.23358$QW2.13366@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and they were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking about Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks". I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to rule out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program. How could it possibly be a video driver issue if notepad on the same computer, and Non-italic in the same font on the same computer does not have this problem? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:JLZmf.23188$QW2.20129@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I'd still suggest updating your video drivers. I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not do this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver issue. I think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of this same font. Does this problem appear on other computers? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:S6Zmf.22939$QW2.22744@dukeread08... It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would consider it not worth worrying about. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:LsYmf.22673$QW2.18131@dukeread08... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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![]() "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message .. . I gotta ask - what word are you using that has three f's in a row? First of all it is three sets of three f's---"fff fff fff" The problem only arises on the send and third set. {Times New Roman---Bold---Italic---24 Point} Two different computers, one at BestBuy and one here. MS Word 97 and MS Word 2000, same problem. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news ![]() "LC Killingbeck" wrote in message m... "Peter Olcott" wrote in news:CA1nf.24491$QW2.5329@dukeread08: (1) I can't try it on another computer. The only other computer that I have is identical to this one. (2) The reasoning that I provided proves that it can't be the display driver. (3) I am talking about a difference that is small enough that you can't see it unless you look at the pixels enlarged sixteen times. "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message ... While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers on which I have tried it. As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers. -- Hope this helps. (snipped massive quotes and indentations) Might well be that the "right" placement of the characters is about 1/2 of a pixel. As a result, rounding will move some characters slightly to the left, and others slightly to the right. When viewed with your particular maginfying glass, the spacing will be non-uniform. It is uniform in MS Publisher 98, MS Paint, MS NotePad, and even the first set of "fff" in MS Word, it is only non-uniform in the subsequent sets of "fff" in Ms Word. If so, there is likely nothing you can really do about it. Change to a different screen resolution will change the rounding properties, and might fix this (or might make it worse!), and could well depend on just where across the screen the characters are shown. But, if your "ideal" display needs to place a character to begin 10.73 pixels from the left edge, and the next character 17.21 pixels from the left edge - they are going to round the first up and the second down, and move them closer together than your "ideal, infinite resolution" display. I'll call it a display hardware and/or display driver question. Depending on _exactly_ how a particular software package uses that hardware and that driver, can easily show different presentation results, when view with your microscope. That likely explains any Word versus Notepad difference. How does all this print on something like a 600 DPI printer, by the way? Printer resolutions are vastly more refined than any display, so you will need a more powerful microscope to notice any non-uniform spacing caused by rounding in the arithmetic. Printouts look perfect. Lynn Killingbeck |
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![]() "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If I type three sets of "fff," I see more space between the first two f's in the first group than in the other two and more space between the last two f's in the last group than in the other two, which seems to confirm that this is probably a rounding error. You still haven't told us why this is so vital to you. That information is currently proprietary. We haven't tracked down the exact cause, if it was a rounding error, then it should have showed up in one of the other applications. For now it looks like a bug. We have at least derived a work-around. Turning Kerning on does make all of the spacing consistent. That is an excellent step in the right direction. I appreciate all of the help. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:xT1nf.24603$QW2.14626@dukeread08... I tried it again using {Times New Roman, Bold, Italic, 24-point} I tried this typing "fff fff fff" and the problem did not occur on the first "fff", only the second one and the third one. It can be seen on the screen without pixel magnification. The right side of the cross line "t" portion of the first "f" is one pixel away from the the left side of the cross line "t" portion of the second "f" whereas this same distance between the seond "f" and the third "f" is two pixels. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Well, it doesn't happen for me at 100% Zoom on a 17" Trinitron-type Dell CRT monitor at 1024 x 768. We don't know what kind of equipment and settings Peter is using. Perhaps it would help to know why this is an issue he cannot ignore. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message ... While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers on which I have tried it. As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers. -- Hope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:n9_mf.23358$QW2.13366@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and they were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking about Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks". I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to rule out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program. How could it possibly be a video driver issue if notepad on the same computer, and Non-italic in the same font on the same computer does not have this problem? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:JLZmf.23188$QW2.20129@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I'd still suggest updating your video drivers. I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not do this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver issue. I think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of this same font. Does this problem appear on other computers? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:S6Zmf.22939$QW2.22744@dukeread08... It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would consider it not worth worrying about. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:LsYmf.22673$QW2.18131@dukeread08... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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Triple forte.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message .. . I gotta ask - what word are you using that has three f's in a row? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news ![]() "LC Killingbeck" wrote in message m... "Peter Olcott" wrote in news:CA1nf.24491$QW2.5329@dukeread08: (1) I can't try it on another computer. The only other computer that I have is identical to this one. (2) The reasoning that I provided proves that it can't be the display driver. (3) I am talking about a difference that is small enough that you can't see it unless you look at the pixels enlarged sixteen times. "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message ... While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers on which I have tried it. As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers. -- Hope this helps. (snipped massive quotes and indentations) Might well be that the "right" placement of the characters is about 1/2 of a pixel. As a result, rounding will move some characters slightly to the left, and others slightly to the right. When viewed with your particular maginfying glass, the spacing will be non-uniform. It is uniform in MS Publisher 98, MS Paint, MS NotePad, and even the first set of "fff" in MS Word, it is only non-uniform in the subsequent sets of "fff" in Ms Word. If so, there is likely nothing you can really do about it. Change to a different screen resolution will change the rounding properties, and might fix this (or might make it worse!), and could well depend on just where across the screen the characters are shown. But, if your "ideal" display needs to place a character to begin 10.73 pixels from the left edge, and the next character 17.21 pixels from the left edge - they are going to round the first up and the second down, and move them closer together than your "ideal, infinite resolution" display. I'll call it a display hardware and/or display driver question. Depending on _exactly_ how a particular software package uses that hardware and that driver, can easily show different presentation results, when view with your microscope. That likely explains any Word versus Notepad difference. How does all this print on something like a 600 DPI printer, by the way? Printer resolutions are vastly more refined than any display, so you will need a more powerful microscope to notice any non-uniform spacing caused by rounding in the arithmetic. Printouts look perfect. Lynn Killingbeck |
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The reasoning only *suggests* that it is not the video display driver. It
doesn't *prove* it - because of the way different applications use the screen driver to display fonts. It could equally be the printer driver as Word (but not Notepad) works hand in glove with the current printer driver to position text in the Word display area. Unless you would care to enlighten us, I cannot see what practical difference a one pixel change would have on a Word document, and if such positioning is so crucial then Word is not the best tool for this type of work. DTP would be closer to the mark. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Peter Olcott wrote: (1) I can't try it on another computer. The only other computer that I have is identical to this one. (2) The reasoning that I provided proves that it can't be the display driver. (3) I am talking about a difference that is small enough that you can't see it unless you look at the pixels enlarged sixteen times. "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message ... While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers on which I have tried it. As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers. -- Hope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:n9_mf.23358$QW2.13366@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and they were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking about Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks". I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to rule out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program. How could it possibly be a video driver issue if notepad on the same computer, and Non-italic in the same font on the same computer does not have this problem? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:JLZmf.23188$QW2.20129@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I'd still suggest updating your video drivers. I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not do this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver issue. I think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of this same font. Does this problem appear on other computers? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:S6Zmf.22939$QW2.22744@dukeread08... It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would consider it not worth worrying about. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:LsYmf.22673$QW2.18131@dukeread08... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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Unless you would care to enlighten us, I cannot see what practical
difference a one pixel change would have on a Word document, and if such Especially since the difference appears only on screen, not in print. Regardless of its ability to do a lot of "online" things, Word was originally and is still basically a program for producing *printed* documents. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... The reasoning only *suggests* that it is not the video display driver. It doesn't *prove* it - because of the way different applications use the screen driver to display fonts. It could equally be the printer driver as Word (but not Notepad) works hand in glove with the current printer driver to position text in the Word display area. Unless you would care to enlighten us, I cannot see what practical difference a one pixel change would have on a Word document, and if such positioning is so crucial then Word is not the best tool for this type of work. DTP would be closer to the mark. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Peter Olcott wrote: (1) I can't try it on another computer. The only other computer that I have is identical to this one. (2) The reasoning that I provided proves that it can't be the display driver. (3) I am talking about a difference that is small enough that you can't see it unless you look at the pixels enlarged sixteen times. "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message ... While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers on which I have tried it. As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers. -- Hope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:n9_mf.23358$QW2.13366@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and they were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking about Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks". I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to rule out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program. How could it possibly be a video driver issue if notepad on the same computer, and Non-italic in the same font on the same computer does not have this problem? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:JLZmf.23188$QW2.20129@dukeread08... "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote in message ... I'd still suggest updating your video drivers. I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not do this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver issue. I think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of this same font. Does this problem appear on other computers? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:S6Zmf.22939$QW2.22744@dukeread08... It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would consider it not worth worrying about. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:LsYmf.22673$QW2.18131@dukeread08... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:29:54 -0600, Peter Olcott wrote:
Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks See if the description below helps... Bob S In older systems, Microsoft used a program called GDI to lay out text for drawing on the screen. In newer systems Microsoft uses a program called GDIPlus. The new program uses something called "resolution-independent" layout. See article 307208 called "Why text appears different when drawn with GDIPlus versus GDI". "resolution-independent" is a misleading name; the layout is in fact very dependent on resolution. What Microsoft has actually done is make the length of the text independent of the resolution. This ensures that line breaks in dialog boxes (for example) occur at the same place no matter what the resolution of the target device. The cost is poor rendering of text in certain circumstances. The article has a long explanation; here is a short version. Fonts contain descriptions of the outlines of text glyphs. They also contain "hints" to tell the rendering engine what to do on low resolution displays (i.e. screens). One of the things that these hints tell the rendering engine is how to slide the glyph outline around so that it lines up with the pixel positions. This is called "grid fitting". This avoids the horrible problems that result if the outline ends up halfway between pixel positions. (Should it turn on both pixels, making the character too wide, or neither, making it disappear, or€¦) Both the character outline, and the "bounding box" that says how wide the character is, will be lined up with the pixel grid. The process of lining up the (carefully designed) bounding box with the (relatively coarse) pixel grid can make the bounding box slightly too wide or too narrow. For example, the "w" tends to come out too narrow and "l" tends to come out too wide. This tends to average out in ordinary text, but if you have a string of the same letter the slight errors will add up, resulting in a large error in the length of the string. Since one of the goals of GDIPlus is to not have errors in the length of the string, something must be done. What GDIPlus does is to add or remove space one pixel width at a time to force the line length to come out correctly. If GDIPlus wants to make a line longer, it will add up to one em of white space at the end of the line, then increase space between words, then increase space between characters. If GDIPlus wants to shorten a line, it reduces space between words and then between characters. (Note: If you have anti-aliasing turned on, these effects do not happen; instead the text is made to look fuzzy.) If you want to experiment with the effects, one thing to try is typing a long string of "i" or "l" in 8-point Bold in Arial. Notice that some of the characters are jammed together. You can also try typing a long string of "w" in 8-point Bold in Courier New. Also look at a long string of "ci" in 8-point Verdana. Text was more legible under the old GDI system. |
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Op Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:49:59 -0500, "JoAnn Paules [MVP]"
schreef: I gotta ask - what word are you using that has three f's in a row? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] Perhaps he is printing music scores. fff means fortissimo (a very loud passage). But why on earth so secretive? Kind regards, Rob. |
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I wondered the same thing but I have more curiosity than an 8 week old
kitten. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Rob v. Albada" wrote in message ... Op Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:49:59 -0500, "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" schreef: I gotta ask - what word are you using that has three f's in a row? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] Perhaps he is printing music scores. fff means fortissimo (a very loud passage). But why on earth so secretive? Kind regards, Rob. |
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Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. While we're onto this topic, how do you set Word to automatically print the ligatured forms when they're available? In some fonts the non-ligatured combinations crash really badly. |
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