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Why do Paragraph:Format changes have no effect in table cells?
When I try to vertically reposition text in table cells (WORD 2003) by adding
'space above' &/or 'space below' from the Format:Paragraph dialog box, it usually has no effect. The same problem occurs in a slightly different way when I try to horizontally center text in a table cell that's been repositioned as 'vertical text' (via 'Text Direction'). That is, text in some cells centers normally. In others, the text positions almost on top of the left border line (even though the cell's justification is set to 'center'). When I try to 'force' it to be centered by adding 'space above' (again from the Format:Paragraph dialog box), nothing happens. Why do these Paragraph:Format changes have no effect? Thanks. |
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Why do Paragraph:Format changes have no effect in table cells?
Does the cell contain graphics? This can make a difference.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA "Steve_Ray" wrote in message ... When I try to vertically reposition text in table cells (WORD 2003) by adding 'space above' &/or 'space below' from the Format:Paragraph dialog box, it usually has no effect. The same problem occurs in a slightly different way when I try to horizontally center text in a table cell that's been repositioned as 'vertical text' (via 'Text Direction'). That is, text in some cells centers normally. In others, the text positions almost on top of the left border line (even though the cell's justification is set to 'center'). When I try to 'force' it to be centered by adding 'space above' (again from the Format:Paragraph dialog box), nothing happens. Why do these Paragraph:Format changes have no effect? Thanks. |
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Why do Paragraph:Format changes have no effect in table cells?
Does the cell contain graphics? This can make a difference.
No graphics at all. Since posting I've realized that in the latter part of my inquiry, adding 'space above' wouldn't have the desired effect because even though the text in the cell is vertically directioned, 'space above' would only affect the horizontal dimension. However, that still doesn't clear up the main issue having to do with text that's in the normal horizontal direction, but appears differently (i.e., with different horizontal positioning relative to the cell borders) in different cells even though they are all formatted identically. |
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Why do Paragraph:Format changes have no effect in table cells?
Indeed, if you want the equivalent of "Space Above/Below" in a vertical
direction (in rotated text), you need to use paragraph indents. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA "Steve_Ray" wrote in message ... Does the cell contain graphics? This can make a difference. No graphics at all. Since posting I've realized that in the latter part of my inquiry, adding 'space above' wouldn't have the desired effect because even though the text in the cell is vertically directioned, 'space above' would only affect the horizontal dimension. However, that still doesn't clear up the main issue having to do with text that's in the normal horizontal direction, but appears differently (i.e., with different horizontal positioning relative to the cell borders) in different cells even though they are all formatted identically. |
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Why do Paragraph:Format changes have no effect in table cells?
Indeed, if you want the equivalent of "Space Above/Below" in a vertical
direction (in rotated text), you need to use paragraph indents. I'm not sure I follow, but I'll do some experimenting with 'indents.' That still wouldn't appear to explain the variation from one cell to another -- i.e., why text is correctly horizontally centered in some cells but in others is hugging the 'top' border line of the cell (which, in the case of 'vertical' text, is actually the 'left' border line). Again, these cells are all formatted identically; there are no alignment or positioning variations, at least none that I'm aware of. |
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Why do Paragraph:Format changes have no effect in table cells?
Indeed, if you want the equivalent of "Space Above/Below" in a vertical
direction (in rotated text), you need to use paragraph indents. Actually, I don't see how paragraph indents would apply, so maybe I wasn't clear in my original post. If text direction in the cell is vertical, the cursor position navigating through the text is up and down, not the normal left and right. Therefore, a paragraph indent will just push the text 'up' (not to the 'right'). The problem I referred to is in the other axis -- the horizontal one. That is, the text itself is vertical, but its horizontal position within the cell is the problem. Sometimes it's good (i.e., horizontally centered, as I want it to be), but other times it's too far left (hugging the left border line). It's that that I want to fix. Thanks. |
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Why do Paragraph:Format changes have no effect in table cells?
Indeed, if you want the equivalent of "Space Above/Below" in a vertical
direction (in rotated text), you need to use paragraph indents. Actually, I don't see how paragraph indents would apply, so maybe I wasn't clear in my original post. If text direction in the cell is vertical, the cursor position navigating through the text is up and down, not the normal left and right. Therefore, a paragraph indent will just push the text 'up' (not to the 'right'). The problem I referred to is in the other axis -- the horizontal one. That is, the text itself is vertical, but its horizontal position within the cell is the problem. Sometimes it's good (i.e., horizontally centered, as I want it to be), but other times it's too far left (hugging the left border line). It's that that I want to fix. Thanks. |
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Why do Paragraph:Format changes have no effect in table cells?
You wrote:
Since posting I've realized that in the latter part of my inquiry, adding 'space above' wouldn't have the desired effect because even though the text in the cell is vertically directioned, 'space above' would only affect the horizontal dimension. This suggested to me that where you were trying to get the space was at the top of the cell, which would be the right (or left) side of the rotated text. And could you please figure out how to avoid posting the same thing three times? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA "Steve_Ray" wrote in message ... Indeed, if you want the equivalent of "Space Above/Below" in a vertical direction (in rotated text), you need to use paragraph indents. I'm not sure I follow, but I'll do some experimenting with 'indents.' That still wouldn't appear to explain the variation from one cell to another -- i.e., why text is correctly horizontally centered in some cells but in others is hugging the 'top' border line of the cell (which, in the case of 'vertical' text, is actually the 'left' border line). Again, these cells are all formatted identically; there are no alignment or positioning variations, at least none that I'm aware of. |
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Why do Paragraph:Format changes have no effect in table cells?
Have you tried using the alignment buttons on the tables and borders toolbar?
There are nine icons for (horizontal) left, right, and center of (vertical) top, center, and bottom alignments. The icons change when text direction changes. Note that you may have to clear previous manual formatting for this to work. PamC Steve_Ray wrote: Indeed, if you want the equivalent of "Space Above/Below" in a vertical direction (in rotated text), you need to use paragraph indents. Actually, I don't see how paragraph indents would apply, so maybe I wasn't clear in my original post. If text direction in the cell is vertical, the cursor position navigating through the text is up and down, not the normal left and right. Therefore, a paragraph indent will just push the text 'up' (not to the 'right'). The problem I referred to is in the other axis -- the horizontal one. That is, the text itself is vertical, but its horizontal position within the cell is the problem. Sometimes it's good (i.e., horizontally centered, as I want it to be), but other times it's too far left (hugging the left border line). It's that that I want to fix. Thanks. -- Message posted via OfficeKB.com http://www.officekb.com/Uwe/Forums.a...ables/200811/1 |
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Why do Paragraph:Format changes have no effect in table cells?
Have you tried using the alignment buttons on the tables and borders toolbar?
There are nine icons for (horizontal) left, right, and center of (vertical) top, center, and bottom alignments. The icons change when text direction changes. Thanks a lot. That does seem to do the trick. However, in the opposite dimension I haven't found a good way to reduce the 'blank space' on either side of the vertical text (i.e., blank space on the 'left' and 'right' side of the text -- which, as you look at the page, is actually space at the 'top' and 'bottom' of the cell). I can do it by reducing the 'row' margins (top & bottom), but that reduces the 'row height,' which isn't what I want. I just want more text to be able to fit in the cell without wrapping to a new line. Any ideas on how to do *that*? Thanks again. |
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Why do Paragraph:Format changes have no effect in table cells?
It's cell (and table) margins you are looking for, I think. In the tale
properties dialog (table properties table or cell tab options), you can set inside margins. PamC Steve_Ray wrote: Have you tried using the alignment buttons on the tables and borders toolbar? There are nine icons for (horizontal) left, right, and center of (vertical) top, center, and bottom alignments. The icons change when text direction changes. Thanks a lot. That does seem to do the trick. However, in the opposite dimension I haven't found a good way to reduce the 'blank space' on either side of the vertical text (i.e., blank space on the 'left' and 'right' side of the text -- which, as you look at the page, is actually space at the 'top' and 'bottom' of the cell). I can do it by reducing the 'row' margins (top & bottom), but that reduces the 'row height,' which isn't what I want. I just want more text to be able to fit in the cell without wrapping to a new line. Any ideas on how to do *that*? Thanks again. -- Message posted via OfficeKB.com http://www.officekb.com/Uwe/Forums.a...ables/200811/1 |
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Why do Paragraph:Format changes have no effect in table cells?
It's cell (and table) margins you are looking for, I think. In the tale
properties dialog (table properties table or cell tab options), you can set inside margins. Thanks for your reply. Changing those doesn't appear to have any effect. The L and R cell margins were 'zero' anyway, and the T and B were 0.08". When I reduced the latter to zero, there was no visible effect. So I still can't see what's controlling that 'white space' in the cells' T and B margins (which border the text 'as if' they were instead L and R margins since the 'text direction' in those header row cells is vertical). |
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