[Brian Gaff]

Maybe slightly off topic here, but how come a perfectly legal copy of Office
XP is now not genuine when all I did was clone the drive to another bigger
one?

Seems a bit harsh???
Brian

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[JoAnn Paules]

You need to install it, not copy it.

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MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
Tech Editor for "Microsoft Publisher 2007 For Dummies"



"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
m...
Maybe slightly off topic here, but how come a perfectly legal copy of
Office XP is now not genuine when all I did was clone the drive to another
bigger one?

Seems a bit harsh???
Brian

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[Terry Farrell]

I believe that Office works in a similar way to an OS in that minor changes
to the system are accumulative. So changing memory doesn't affect
registration, but if you change memory and the network card within a given
period (6 months, I believe), then it is necessary to reactivate. If you
change a major component such as the motherboard or hard drive, it will
trigger it anyway.

Terry Farrell

"JoAnn Paules" wrote in message
...
You need to install it, not copy it.

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MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
Tech Editor for "Microsoft Publisher 2007 For Dummies"



"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
m...
Maybe slightly off topic here, but how come a perfectly legal copy of
Office XP is now not genuine when all I did was clone the drive to
another bigger one?

Seems a bit harsh???
Brian

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[Graham Mayor]

The validation system is aware of hardware changes - you should however be
able to re-activate the product (if necessary by telephone).

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My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Brian Gaff wrote:
Maybe slightly off topic here, but how come a perfectly legal copy of
Office XP is now not genuine when all I did was clone the drive to
another bigger one?

Seems a bit harsh???
Brian

[JoAnn Paules]

He did mention a hard drive. I assume he means internal and not something
portable.

--
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MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
Tech Editor for "Microsoft Publisher 2007 For Dummies"



"Terry Farrell" wrote in message
...
I believe that Office works in a similar way to an OS in that minor changes
to the system are accumulative. So changing memory doesn't affect
registration, but if you change memory and the network card within a given
period (6 months, I believe), then it is necessary to reactivate. If you
change a major component such as the motherboard or hard drive, it will
trigger it anyway.

Terry Farrell

"JoAnn Paules" wrote in message
...
You need to install it, not copy it.

--
JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
Tech Editor for "Microsoft Publisher 2007 For Dummies"



"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
m...
Maybe slightly off topic here, but how come a perfectly legal copy of
Office XP is now not genuine when all I did was clone the drive to
another bigger one?

Seems a bit harsh???
Brian

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[Dave Symes]

In article ,
JoAnn Paules wrote:

You need to install it, not copy it.

So can you wonder why so many are running away to Linux...?
Can you wonder why those on the other side are so foul mouthed about this
side?

Dave

--

Dave Triffid

[JoAnn Paules]

Back in the old days, you could copy programs. It was very easy to make
bootleg copies of software. I can't blame software manufacturers for
stopping that practice.

And what's the big deal about reinstalling software? If you have the disks
(or at least your backup disk), it's a few extra minutes to do it right.
Probably not any harder than "cloning" a new drive.

--
JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
Tech Editor for "Microsoft Publisher 2007 For Dummies"



"Dave Symes" wrote in message
...
In article ,
JoAnn Paules wrote:

You need to install it, not copy it.

So can you wonder why so many are running away to Linux...?
Can you wonder why those on the other side are so foul mouthed about this
side?

Dave

--

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[Dave Symes]

On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 14:36:26 -0400, "JoAnn Paules"
wrote:

Back in the old days, you could copy programs. It was very easy to make
bootleg copies of software. I can't blame software manufacturers for
stopping that practice.

Despite draconian measures by some companies, if bootlegging is the way
you want to go, you can still do it and with some ease.
The only folks that really suffer, are those of us daft enough to pay for
legit software.

And what's the big deal about reinstalling software? If you have the
disks or at least your backup disk), it's a few extra minutes to do it
right. Probably not any harder than "cloning" a new drive.

I'd like to see anyone, who's not doing it by the clone method, fully
reinstall MS-Windows in less than "hours".

The additional problem, particularly since the release of Vista, the
illegitimates in most cases don't supply a Windows install disk.

Some of them do put install files in a secret partition on the HD, but if
your HD goes .... Up what then.

Granted one or two suppliers, even have software that allows you to
produce your own Recovery disk, but it's a recovery disk, not a Win
install disk.

Many more companies don't.

Gawd knows what they'll be doing to Win 7... (Really Vista SP3) You'll
probably have to phone MS to ask for permission to switch your own
computer on.

Dave

[jaws]

yes, I'm sure they would not mind charging you $99 or more to do that ... or,
rather, probably tell you that you can't do that since it's licensed to 1
computer.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

The validation system is aware of hardware changes - you should however be
able to re-activate the product (if necessary by telephone).

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Brian Gaff wrote:
Maybe slightly off topic here, but how come a perfectly legal copy of
Office XP is now not genuine when all I did was clone the drive to
another bigger one?

Seems a bit harsh???
Brian

[Terry Farrell]

Rubbish. If you have a genuine version and a hardware update causes OGA to
kick in, you can call MS on the number provided and they will give you an
activation code over the phone and there is NO CHARGE. I have NEVER heard of
anyone failing to get a reactivation key for a genuine version.

Terry Farrell

"jaws" wrote in message
...
yes, I'm sure they would not mind charging you $99 or more to do that ...
or,
rather, probably tell you that you can't do that since it's licensed to 1
computer.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

The validation system is aware of hardware changes - you should however
be
able to re-activate the product (if necessary by telephone).

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Brian Gaff wrote:
Maybe slightly off topic here, but how come a perfectly legal copy of
Office XP is now not genuine when all I did was clone the drive to
another bigger one?

Seems a bit harsh???
Brian

[Brian Gaff]

What you mean I have to completely install Office and configure it all over
again just cos I wanted a bigger drive, Not on your nelly mate.

That would be ridiculous.

What is the point of a clone program if you cannot use it tto clone.

I have just proved that even if you change a motherboard around it will do
the same thing. Now surely WOffice from 2002 is hardly going to be the
biggest problem if I happen to have it on a spare drive?

Come on Microsoft, stop being stupid. This is the last time I ever try to
stay legal.

Blagh.

Brian

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"JoAnn Paules" wrote in message
...
You need to install it, not copy it.

--
JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
Tech Editor for "Microsoft Publisher 2007 For Dummies"



"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
m...
Maybe slightly off topic here, but how come a perfectly legal copy of
Office XP is now not genuine when all I did was clone the drive to
another bigger one?

Seems a bit harsh???
Brian

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[Brian Gaff]

Hmm, but when I go to activate, it says its already activated.

Brian

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"Terry Farrell" wrote in message
...
I believe that Office works in a similar way to an OS in that minor changes
to the system are accumulative. So changing memory doesn't affect
registration, but if you change memory and the network card within a given
period (6 months, I believe), then it is necessary to reactivate. If you
change a major component such as the motherboard or hard drive, it will
trigger it anyway.

Terry Farrell

"JoAnn Paules" wrote in message
...
You need to install it, not copy it.

--
JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
Tech Editor for "Microsoft Publisher 2007 For Dummies"



"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
m...
Maybe slightly off topic here, but how come a perfectly legal copy of
Office XP is now not genuine when all I did was clone the drive to
another bigger one?

Seems a bit harsh???
Brian

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[Brian Gaff]

Yes, internal. Its an old computer with Office XP on it.

Incidentally, tried it on some old clunkers with the same word on it today.
It seems that if you do stuff like ram, video cards and as you say, big ones
like motherboards it shoves up the screen straight away since the last
update in oga.

I suppose I could be cynical and suggest its that they want you to buy their
latest version.

In my mind, it will just drive people to Open Office and to hack the
software. Counter productive. Most people would be honest if given a fair
chance, not some marketing driven idea of genuine.

Brian
PS I can only use one machine at a time, and there is only me here!


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"JoAnn Paules" wrote in message
...
He did mention a hard drive. I assume he means internal and not something
portable.

--
JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
Tech Editor for "Microsoft Publisher 2007 For Dummies"



"Terry Farrell" wrote in message
...
I believe that Office works in a similar way to an OS in that minor
changes to the system are accumulative. So changing memory doesn't affect
registration, but if you change memory and the network card within a given
period (6 months, I believe), then it is necessary to reactivate. If you
change a major component such as the motherboard or hard drive, it will
trigger it anyway.

Terry Farrell

"JoAnn Paules" wrote in message
...
You need to install it, not copy it.

--
JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
Tech Editor for "Microsoft Publisher 2007 For Dummies"



"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
m...
Maybe slightly off topic here, but how come a perfectly legal copy of
Office XP is now not genuine when all I did was clone the drive to
another bigger one?

Seems a bit harsh???
Brian

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[Brian Gaff]

If you are blind as I am its more than a bloody few minutes matey!
Its not an out of the box installation, it has to be configured to be
screenreader usable.

Also, of course you have alll tose ruddy updates that keep on trying to make
Outlook the default email client every bloody time to download...


Brian

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"JoAnn Paules" wrote in message
...
Back in the old days, you could copy programs. It was very easy to make
bootleg copies of software. I can't blame software manufacturers for
stopping that practice.

And what's the big deal about reinstalling software? If you have the disks
(or at least your backup disk), it's a few extra minutes to do it right.
Probably not any harder than "cloning" a new drive.

--
JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
Tech Editor for "Microsoft Publisher 2007 For Dummies"



"Dave Symes" wrote in message
...
In article ,
JoAnn Paules wrote:

You need to install it, not copy it.

So can you wonder why so many are running away to Linux...?
Can you wonder why those on the other side are so foul mouthed about this
side?

Dave

--

Dave Triffid

[Brian Gaff]

How far back do they allow this? I was told that you would have problems if
it was not a current version?

Brian

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"Terry Farrell" wrote in message
...
Rubbish. If you have a genuine version and a hardware update causes OGA to
kick in, you can call MS on the number provided and they will give you an
activation code over the phone and there is NO CHARGE. I have NEVER heard
of anyone failing to get a reactivation key for a genuine version.

Terry Farrell

"jaws" wrote in message
...
yes, I'm sure they would not mind charging you $99 or more to do that ...
or,
rather, probably tell you that you can't do that since it's licensed to 1
computer.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

The validation system is aware of hardware changes - you should however
be
able to re-activate the product (if necessary by telephone).

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Brian Gaff wrote:
Maybe slightly off topic here, but how come a perfectly legal copy of
Office XP is now not genuine when all I did was clone the drive to
another bigger one?

Seems a bit harsh???
Brian

[Terry Farrell]

I don't know. All I can add is that I have never had any problem
reactivating on the couple of occasions that I have had to telephone MS (in
the UK). Nor have I met anyone that has been refused reactivation. I cannot
recall anyone reporting it in these newsgroups either.

Terry Farrell

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
om...
How far back do they allow this? I was told that you would have problems
if it was not a current version?

Brian

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"Terry Farrell" wrote in message
...
Rubbish. If you have a genuine version and a hardware update causes OGA
to kick in, you can call MS on the number provided and they will give you
an activation code over the phone and there is NO CHARGE. I have NEVER
heard of anyone failing to get a reactivation key for a genuine version.

Terry Farrell

"jaws" wrote in message
...
yes, I'm sure they would not mind charging you $99 or more to do that
... or,
rather, probably tell you that you can't do that since it's licensed to
1
computer.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

The validation system is aware of hardware changes - you should however
be
able to re-activate the product (if necessary by telephone).

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Brian Gaff wrote:
Maybe slightly off topic here, but how come a perfectly legal copy of
Office XP is now not genuine when all I did was clone the drive to
another bigger one?

Seems a bit harsh???
Brian