Having spent hours some time back trying to get Word to stop nattering at me
that it demanded I enable macros, I finally got it resolved with some help
from people here.

Well, I allowed Microsoft to update the Office files and Word once again
natters at me every time I start, or close, Word that I should enable
macros. Just for grins I followed through the help system and find the
charming advice to set security to "Low", immediately followed by a warning
to never use "Low" if there is a chance there might be viruses on the
internet. I have never seen such a lame program in this regard. If I
weren't wedded to Excel I would dump Office in a heartbeat simply because of
Word.

Anyhow the problem once again turns out to be Word installing a
FineOffice6.dot file in it's startup folder. And yes Word does it, not
AbbyFine since I haven't run the OCR software in months.

I don't expect anyone here to do anything about this. I'm just forlornly
hoping that Microsoft might improve how it handles this security issue if
they hear people complain about it.

Either admit Word is hopelessly insecure and stop installing higher security
levels in it, or make the higher levels meaningful by not having Word
constantly insist that I lower the level.

Bill Martin

Word will not question anything in its own Startup folder provided you have
"Trust all installed templates and add-ins" checked on the Trusted Sources
tab of Tools | Macro | Security. Unfortunately, this trust does not extend
to the Office Startup folder.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
Having spent hours some time back trying to get Word to stop nattering at
me
that it demanded I enable macros, I finally got it resolved with some help
from people here.

Well, I allowed Microsoft to update the Office files and Word once again
natters at me every time I start, or close, Word that I should enable
macros. Just for grins I followed through the help system and find the
charming advice to set security to "Low", immediately followed by a
warning
to never use "Low" if there is a chance there might be viruses on the
internet. I have never seen such a lame program in this regard. If I
weren't wedded to Excel I would dump Office in a heartbeat simply because
of
Word.

Anyhow the problem once again turns out to be Word installing a
FineOffice6.dot file in it's startup folder. And yes Word does it, not
AbbyFine since I haven't run the OCR software in months.

I don't expect anyone here to do anything about this. I'm just forlornly
hoping that Microsoft might improve how it handles this security issue if
they hear people complain about it.

Either admit Word is hopelessly insecure and stop installing higher
security
levels in it, or make the higher levels meaningful by not having Word
constantly insist that I lower the level.

Bill Martin

Mon, 3 Apr 2006 21:24:59 -0400 from Bill Martin
:
Well, I allowed Microsoft to update the Office files and Word once again
natters at me every time I start, or close, Word that I should enable
macros. Just for grins I followed through the help system and find the
charming advice to set security to "Low", immediately followed by a warning
to never use "Low" if there is a chance there might be viruses on the
internet.

Isn't this ridiculous?

Microsoft does the same thing with Internet Exploder: you have to set
security Low to run anything, and you have to use ActiveX for
Microsoft's own update pages, but Microsoft's official position is
not to use ActiveX if there might be malicious code on any Web page
you visit.

What a poor joke!

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/

I don't know anything about this and you may well be right. HOWEVER.... Do
I really need to know this much about Office internals, and where what files
are stored by whom to be allowed to set security "High" and write a simple
grocery list?

For that matter, I don't want to "trust all installed templates and add-ins"
anyhow. I just want no macros, no add ins, nothing but a dead dumb word
processor that doesn't natter about macros 10 times a day when I already
told it I don't want to execute any.

Bill
--------------------------------
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Word will not question anything in its own Startup folder provided you
have
"Trust all installed templates and add-ins" checked on the Trusted Sources
tab of Tools | Macro | Security. Unfortunately, this trust does not extend
to the Office Startup folder.

Then don't try to load files that have macros.

Word did _not_ put a FineMacro6.dot in a Startup folder. You did, or some
other program you installed did. The people who wrote that program think you
need their macros. If you disagree, fine. Then don't use it.
--
Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
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"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
I don't know anything about this and you may well be right. HOWEVER....
Do I really need to know this much about Office internals, and where what
files are stored by whom to be allowed to set security "High" and write a
simple grocery list?

For that matter, I don't want to "trust all installed templates and
add-ins" anyhow. I just want no macros, no add ins, nothing but a dead
dumb word processor that doesn't natter about macros 10 times a day when I
already told it I don't want to execute any.

Bill
--------------------------------
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Word will not question anything in its own Startup folder provided you
have
"Trust all installed templates and add-ins" checked on the Trusted
Sources
tab of Tools | Macro | Security. Unfortunately, this trust does not
extend
to the Office Startup folder.

You're missing the point that I didn't install it either. Somehow when Word
installed its updates, it looked around on the disk and thought that would
be a good file to move there with no guidance from me, and no other program
active. When I killed that file before, it stayed killed until Word
installed its updates.

And that as a poor, dumb, ignorant user I have no way of knowing it's there
or how it got there. As a systems programmer I have some appreciation of
what's going on, but should one have to be a systems programmer to use a
simple word processor?

I'm simply maintaining that if I tell Word to run no macros, it should be
smart enough to do what it's told. Do you disagree?

Bill
------------------
"Charles Kenyon" wrote in message
...
Then don't try to load files that have macros.

Word did _not_ put a FineMacro6.dot in a Startup folder. You did, or some
other program you installed did. The people who wrote that program think
you need their macros. If you disagree, fine. Then don't use it.
--
Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
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"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
I don't know anything about this and you may well be right. HOWEVER....
Do I really need to know this much about Office internals, and where what
files are stored by whom to be allowed to set security "High" and write a
simple grocery list?

For that matter, I don't want to "trust all installed templates and
add-ins" anyhow. I just want no macros, no add ins, nothing but a dead
dumb word processor that doesn't natter about macros 10 times a day when
I already told it I don't want to execute any.

Bill
--------------------------------
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Word will not question anything in its own Startup folder provided you
have
"Trust all installed templates and add-ins" checked on the Trusted
Sources
tab of Tools | Macro | Security. Unfortunately, this trust does not
extend
to the Office Startup folder.

If you set Macro Security to High, macros will be disabled automatically.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
You're missing the point that I didn't install it either. Somehow when
Word
installed its updates, it looked around on the disk and thought that would
be a good file to move there with no guidance from me, and no other
program
active. When I killed that file before, it stayed killed until Word
installed its updates.

And that as a poor, dumb, ignorant user I have no way of knowing it's
there
or how it got there. As a systems programmer I have some appreciation of
what's going on, but should one have to be a systems programmer to use a
simple word processor?

I'm simply maintaining that if I tell Word to run no macros, it should be
smart enough to do what it's told. Do you disagree?

Bill
------------------
"Charles Kenyon" wrote in message
...
Then don't try to load files that have macros.

Word did _not_ put a FineMacro6.dot in a Startup folder. You did, or
some
other program you installed did. The people who wrote that program think
you need their macros. If you disagree, fine. Then don't use it.
--
Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
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"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
I don't know anything about this and you may well be right. HOWEVER....
Do I really need to know this much about Office internals, and where
what
files are stored by whom to be allowed to set security "High" and write
a
simple grocery list?

For that matter, I don't want to "trust all installed templates and
add-ins" anyhow. I just want no macros, no add ins, nothing but a dead
dumb word processor that doesn't natter about macros 10 times a day
when
I already told it I don't want to execute any.

Bill
--------------------------------
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Word will not question anything in its own Startup folder provided you
have
"Trust all installed templates and add-ins" checked on the Trusted
Sources
tab of Tools | Macro | Security. Unfortunately, this trust does not
extend
to the Office Startup folder.

You've put your finger precisely my complaint. I agree Word should work the
way you say. However, if I simply set security "High" then Word badgers me
10 times a day to turn on macros.

Word will not quietly accept my telling it to run "High", and it won't
quietly accept me overriding the macros the first time. It continues to
natter about macros every single time Word is opened or closed. And when I
follow the help prompts, Word tells me to set security "Low" - unless I
think there might be viruses somewhere in the world.

Does this seem like a good user interface to you? Or more like something
that Microsoft could fix trivially if it chose to - simply by suppressing
the prompt after the first warning?

Bill
--------------------------
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
If you set Macro Security to High, macros will be disabled automatically.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
You're missing the point that I didn't install it either. Somehow when
Word
installed its updates, it looked around on the disk and thought that
would
be a good file to move there with no guidance from me, and no other
program
active. When I killed that file before, it stayed killed until Word
installed its updates.

And that as a poor, dumb, ignorant user I have no way of knowing it's
there
or how it got there. As a systems programmer I have some appreciation of
what's going on, but should one have to be a systems programmer to use a
simple word processor?

I'm simply maintaining that if I tell Word to run no macros, it should be
smart enough to do what it's told. Do you disagree?

Bill
------------------
"Charles Kenyon" wrote in message
...
Then don't try to load files that have macros.

Word did _not_ put a FineMacro6.dot in a Startup folder. You did, or
some
other program you installed did. The people who wrote that program
think
you need their macros. If you disagree, fine. Then don't use it.
--
Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
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"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
I don't know anything about this and you may well be right.
HOWEVER....
Do I really need to know this much about Office internals, and where
what
files are stored by whom to be allowed to set security "High" and write
a
simple grocery list?

For that matter, I don't want to "trust all installed templates and
add-ins" anyhow. I just want no macros, no add ins, nothing but a
dead
dumb word processor that doesn't natter about macros 10 times a day
when
I already told it I don't want to execute any.

Bill
--------------------------------
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Word will not question anything in its own Startup folder provided
you
have
"Trust all installed templates and add-ins" checked on the Trusted
Sources
tab of Tools | Macro | Security. Unfortunately, this trust does not
extend
to the Office Startup folder.

I rather think you're making a mountain out of a molehill here.

If you don't want any macros to run, ever, and you don't want to be nagged
then set security to Very High and uncheck both boxes on the Trusted
Publishers tab.

I do agree that, for an average user, the wording on the dialog (and in the
help) isn't particularly clear and doesn't really explain what or where a
trusted location is.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
You've put your finger precisely my complaint. I agree Word should work
the
way you say. However, if I simply set security "High" then Word badgers
me
10 times a day to turn on macros.

Word will not quietly accept my telling it to run "High", and it won't
quietly accept me overriding the macros the first time. It continues to
natter about macros every single time Word is opened or closed. And when
I
follow the help prompts, Word tells me to set security "Low" - unless I
think there might be viruses somewhere in the world.

Does this seem like a good user interface to you? Or more like something
that Microsoft could fix trivially if it chose to - simply by suppressing
the prompt after the first warning?

Bill
--------------------------
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
If you set Macro Security to High, macros will be disabled
automatically.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
You're missing the point that I didn't install it either. Somehow when
Word
installed its updates, it looked around on the disk and thought that
would
be a good file to move there with no guidance from me, and no other
program
active. When I killed that file before, it stayed killed until Word
installed its updates.

And that as a poor, dumb, ignorant user I have no way of knowing it's
there
or how it got there. As a systems programmer I have some appreciation
of
what's going on, but should one have to be a systems programmer to use
a
simple word processor?

I'm simply maintaining that if I tell Word to run no macros, it should
be
smart enough to do what it's told. Do you disagree?

Bill
------------------
"Charles Kenyon" wrote in message
...
Then don't try to load files that have macros.

Word did _not_ put a FineMacro6.dot in a Startup folder. You did, or
some
other program you installed did. The people who wrote that program
think
you need their macros. If you disagree, fine. Then don't use it.
--
Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
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"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
I don't know anything about this and you may well be right.
HOWEVER....
Do I really need to know this much about Office internals, and where
what
files are stored by whom to be allowed to set security "High" and
write
a
simple grocery list?

For that matter, I don't want to "trust all installed templates and
add-ins" anyhow. I just want no macros, no add ins, nothing but a
dead
dumb word processor that doesn't natter about macros 10 times a day
when
I already told it I don't want to execute any.

Bill
--------------------------------
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Word will not question anything in its own Startup folder provided
you
have
"Trust all installed templates and add-ins" checked on the Trusted
Sources
tab of Tools | Macro | Security. Unfortunately, this trust does not
extend
to the Office Startup folder.

Once again, I agree with you 100%. In point of fact that's exactly what I
did and Word natters constantly. Go back to read the posts and you'll see
the problem is that Word puts a file in a startup folder looking to "help"
me. And then when Word starts up it recognizes a conflict between those
settings you've described and the fact that there's a file in it's startup
folder. So it asks what to do? Which is fine, but it asks repeatedly.
Endlessly. Ad nauseam. It never remembers that it's already asked about
this. And it never tells a poor dumb user to go sort through its internal
files to resolve the problem.

I agree absolutely that Word should work like you and Suzanne have
described. I'm only suggesting Microsoft should in fact make it work that
way.

Bill
-------------------------------------------------------

"Tony Jollans" My Forename at My Surname dot com wrote in message
...
I rather think you're making a mountain out of a molehill here.

If you don't want any macros to run, ever, and you don't want to be nagged
then set security to Very High and uncheck both boxes on the Trusted
Publishers tab.

I do agree that, for an average user, the wording on the dialog (and in
the
help) isn't particularly clear and doesn't really explain what or where a
trusted location is.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
You've put your finger precisely my complaint. I agree Word should work
the
way you say. However, if I simply set security "High" then Word badgers
me
10 times a day to turn on macros.

Word will not quietly accept my telling it to run "High", and it won't
quietly accept me overriding the macros the first time. It continues to
natter about macros every single time Word is opened or closed. And when
I
follow the help prompts, Word tells me to set security "Low" - unless I
think there might be viruses somewhere in the world.

Does this seem like a good user interface to you? Or more like something
that Microsoft could fix trivially if it chose to - simply by suppressing
the prompt after the first warning?

Bill
--------------------------
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
If you set Macro Security to High, macros will be disabled
automatically.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
You're missing the point that I didn't install it either. Somehow
when
Word
installed its updates, it looked around on the disk and thought that
would
be a good file to move there with no guidance from me, and no other
program
active. When I killed that file before, it stayed killed until Word
installed its updates.

And that as a poor, dumb, ignorant user I have no way of knowing it's
there
or how it got there. As a systems programmer I have some appreciation
of
what's going on, but should one have to be a systems programmer to use
a
simple word processor?

I'm simply maintaining that if I tell Word to run no macros, it should
be
smart enough to do what it's told. Do you disagree?

Bill
------------------
"Charles Kenyon" wrote in message
...
Then don't try to load files that have macros.

Word did _not_ put a FineMacro6.dot in a Startup folder. You did, or
some
other program you installed did. The people who wrote that program
think
you need their macros. If you disagree, fine. Then don't use it.
--
Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
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"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
I don't know anything about this and you may well be right.
HOWEVER....
Do I really need to know this much about Office internals, and where
what
files are stored by whom to be allowed to set security "High" and
write
a
simple grocery list?

For that matter, I don't want to "trust all installed templates and
add-ins" anyhow. I just want no macros, no add ins, nothing but a
dead
dumb word processor that doesn't natter about macros 10 times a day
when
I already told it I don't want to execute any.

Bill
--------------------------------
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Word will not question anything in its own Startup folder provided
you
have
"Trust all installed templates and add-ins" checked on the Trusted
Sources
tab of Tools | Macro | Security. Unfortunately, this trust does
not
extend
to the Office Startup folder.

If you have an add-in in your Startup folder whose functionality you don't
want (since you're consistently disabling it), then why don't you just move
it out of the Startup folder?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
Once again, I agree with you 100%. In point of fact that's exactly what I
did and Word natters constantly. Go back to read the posts and you'll see
the problem is that Word puts a file in a startup folder looking to "help"
me. And then when Word starts up it recognizes a conflict between those
settings you've described and the fact that there's a file in it's startup
folder. So it asks what to do? Which is fine, but it asks repeatedly.
Endlessly. Ad nauseam. It never remembers that it's already asked about
this. And it never tells a poor dumb user to go sort through its internal
files to resolve the problem.

I agree absolutely that Word should work like you and Suzanne have
described. I'm only suggesting Microsoft should in fact make it work that
way.

Bill
-------------------------------------------------------

"Tony Jollans" My Forename at My Surname dot com wrote in message
...
I rather think you're making a mountain out of a molehill here.

If you don't want any macros to run, ever, and you don't want to be
nagged
then set security to Very High and uncheck both boxes on the Trusted
Publishers tab.

I do agree that, for an average user, the wording on the dialog (and in
the
help) isn't particularly clear and doesn't really explain what or where
a
trusted location is.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
You've put your finger precisely my complaint. I agree Word should
work
the
way you say. However, if I simply set security "High" then Word
badgers
me
10 times a day to turn on macros.

Word will not quietly accept my telling it to run "High", and it won't
quietly accept me overriding the macros the first time. It continues
to
natter about macros every single time Word is opened or closed. And
when
I
follow the help prompts, Word tells me to set security "Low" - unless I
think there might be viruses somewhere in the world.

Does this seem like a good user interface to you? Or more like
something
that Microsoft could fix trivially if it chose to - simply by
suppressing
the prompt after the first warning?

Bill
--------------------------
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
If you set Macro Security to High, macros will be disabled
automatically.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
You're missing the point that I didn't install it either. Somehow
when
Word
installed its updates, it looked around on the disk and thought that
would
be a good file to move there with no guidance from me, and no other
program
active. When I killed that file before, it stayed killed until Word
installed its updates.

And that as a poor, dumb, ignorant user I have no way of knowing
it's
there
or how it got there. As a systems programmer I have some
appreciation
of
what's going on, but should one have to be a systems programmer to
use
a
simple word processor?

I'm simply maintaining that if I tell Word to run no macros, it
should
be
smart enough to do what it's told. Do you disagree?

Bill
------------------
"Charles Kenyon" wrote in message
...
Then don't try to load files that have macros.

Word did _not_ put a FineMacro6.dot in a Startup folder. You did,
or
some
other program you installed did. The people who wrote that program
think
you need their macros. If you disagree, fine. Then don't use it.
--
Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version
of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
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"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
I don't know anything about this and you may well be right.
HOWEVER....
Do I really need to know this much about Office internals, and
where
what
files are stored by whom to be allowed to set security "High" and
write
a
simple grocery list?

For that matter, I don't want to "trust all installed templates
and
add-ins" anyhow. I just want no macros, no add ins, nothing but
a
dead
dumb word processor that doesn't natter about macros 10 times a
day
when
I already told it I don't want to execute any.

Bill
--------------------------------
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Word will not question anything in its own Startup folder
provided
you
have
"Trust all installed templates and add-ins" checked on the
Trusted
Sources
tab of Tools | Macro | Security. Unfortunately, this trust does
not
extend
to the Office Startup folder.

In fact I have done what you say and that's the only thing that solves the
problem. Also in fact however I've had to do it repeatedly whenever I allow
Office to update it's program from Microsoft's web site.

This whole thread began with the statement that I knew the solution to the
problem after hours of effort, and with help from this group, but that it
seemed Microsoft might want to eliminate the problem in future. Or not... ?

Bill
-------------------

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
If you have an add-in in your Startup folder whose functionality you don't
want (since you're consistently disabling it), then why don't you just
move
it out of the Startup folder?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
Once again, I agree with you 100%. In point of fact that's exactly what
I
did and Word natters constantly. Go back to read the posts and you'll
see
the problem is that Word puts a file in a startup folder looking to
"help"
me. And then when Word starts up it recognizes a conflict between those
settings you've described and the fact that there's a file in it's
startup
folder. So it asks what to do? Which is fine, but it asks repeatedly.
Endlessly. Ad nauseam. It never remembers that it's already asked about
this. And it never tells a poor dumb user to go sort through its
internal
files to resolve the problem.

I agree absolutely that Word should work like you and Suzanne have
described. I'm only suggesting Microsoft should in fact make it work
that
way.

Bill
-------------------------------------------------------

"Tony Jollans" My Forename at My Surname dot com wrote in message
...
I rather think you're making a mountain out of a molehill here.

If you don't want any macros to run, ever, and you don't want to be
nagged
then set security to Very High and uncheck both boxes on the Trusted
Publishers tab.

I do agree that, for an average user, the wording on the dialog (and in
the
help) isn't particularly clear and doesn't really explain what or where
a
trusted location is.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
You've put your finger precisely my complaint. I agree Word should
work
the
way you say. However, if I simply set security "High" then Word
badgers
me
10 times a day to turn on macros.

Word will not quietly accept my telling it to run "High", and it won't
quietly accept me overriding the macros the first time. It continues
to
natter about macros every single time Word is opened or closed. And
when
I
follow the help prompts, Word tells me to set security "Low" - unless
I
think there might be viruses somewhere in the world.

Does this seem like a good user interface to you? Or more like
something
that Microsoft could fix trivially if it chose to - simply by
suppressing
the prompt after the first warning?

Bill
--------------------------
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
If you set Macro Security to High, macros will be disabled
automatically.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
You're missing the point that I didn't install it either. Somehow
when
Word
installed its updates, it looked around on the disk and thought
that
would
be a good file to move there with no guidance from me, and no other
program
active. When I killed that file before, it stayed killed until
Word
installed its updates.

And that as a poor, dumb, ignorant user I have no way of knowing
it's
there
or how it got there. As a systems programmer I have some
appreciation
of
what's going on, but should one have to be a systems programmer to
use
a
simple word processor?

I'm simply maintaining that if I tell Word to run no macros, it
should
be
smart enough to do what it's told. Do you disagree?

Bill
------------------
"Charles Kenyon" wrote in message
...
Then don't try to load files that have macros.

Word did _not_ put a FineMacro6.dot in a Startup folder. You did,
or
some
other program you installed did. The people who wrote that
program
think
you need their macros. If you disagree, fine. Then don't use it.
--
Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version
of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is
awesome!
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"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
I don't know anything about this and you may well be right.
HOWEVER....
Do I really need to know this much about Office internals, and
where
what
files are stored by whom to be allowed to set security "High" and
write
a
simple grocery list?

For that matter, I don't want to "trust all installed templates
and
add-ins" anyhow. I just want no macros, no add ins, nothing but
a
dead
dumb word processor that doesn't natter about macros 10 times a
day
when
I already told it I don't want to execute any.

Bill
--------------------------------
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Word will not question anything in its own Startup folder
provided
you
have
"Trust all installed templates and add-ins" checked on the
Trusted
Sources
tab of Tools | Macro | Security. Unfortunately, this trust does
not
extend
to the Office Startup folder.

Updating Word from Microsoft's website will not put Add-Ins in your startup
folder!
Updating the program that put the Add-In there to start with might.
--
Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
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"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
In fact I have done what you say and that's the only thing that solves the
problem. Also in fact however I've had to do it repeatedly whenever I
allow Office to update it's program from Microsoft's web site.

This whole thread began with the statement that I knew the solution to the
problem after hours of effort, and with help from this group, but that it
seemed Microsoft might want to eliminate the problem in future. Or not...
?

Bill
-------------------

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
If you have an add-in in your Startup folder whose functionality you
don't
want (since you're consistently disabling it), then why don't you just
move
it out of the Startup folder?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
Once again, I agree with you 100%. In point of fact that's exactly what
I
did and Word natters constantly. Go back to read the posts and you'll
see
the problem is that Word puts a file in a startup folder looking to
"help"
me. And then when Word starts up it recognizes a conflict between those
settings you've described and the fact that there's a file in it's
startup
folder. So it asks what to do? Which is fine, but it asks repeatedly.
Endlessly. Ad nauseam. It never remembers that it's already asked
about
this. And it never tells a poor dumb user to go sort through its
internal
files to resolve the problem.

I agree absolutely that Word should work like you and Suzanne have
described. I'm only suggesting Microsoft should in fact make it work
that
way.

Bill
-------------------------------------------------------

"Tony Jollans" My Forename at My Surname dot com wrote in message
...
I rather think you're making a mountain out of a molehill here.

If you don't want any macros to run, ever, and you don't want to be
nagged
then set security to Very High and uncheck both boxes on the Trusted
Publishers tab.

I do agree that, for an average user, the wording on the dialog (and
in
the
help) isn't particularly clear and doesn't really explain what or
where
a
trusted location is.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
You've put your finger precisely my complaint. I agree Word should
work
the
way you say. However, if I simply set security "High" then Word
badgers
me
10 times a day to turn on macros.

Word will not quietly accept my telling it to run "High", and it
won't
quietly accept me overriding the macros the first time. It continues
to
natter about macros every single time Word is opened or closed. And
when
I
follow the help prompts, Word tells me to set security "Low" - unless
I
think there might be viruses somewhere in the world.

Does this seem like a good user interface to you? Or more like
something
that Microsoft could fix trivially if it chose to - simply by
suppressing
the prompt after the first warning?

Bill
--------------------------
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
If you set Macro Security to High, macros will be disabled
automatically.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
You're missing the point that I didn't install it either. Somehow
when
Word
installed its updates, it looked around on the disk and thought
that
would
be a good file to move there with no guidance from me, and no
other
program
active. When I killed that file before, it stayed killed until
Word
installed its updates.

And that as a poor, dumb, ignorant user I have no way of knowing
it's
there
or how it got there. As a systems programmer I have some
appreciation
of
what's going on, but should one have to be a systems programmer to
use
a
simple word processor?

I'm simply maintaining that if I tell Word to run no macros, it
should
be
smart enough to do what it's told. Do you disagree?

Bill
------------------
"Charles Kenyon" wrote in message
...
Then don't try to load files that have macros.

Word did _not_ put a FineMacro6.dot in a Startup folder. You
did,
or
some
other program you installed did. The people who wrote that
program
think
you need their macros. If you disagree, fine. Then don't use it.
--
Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented
version
of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is
awesome!
--------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies
and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
from my ignorance and your wisdom.


"Bill Martin" wrote in message
...
I don't know anything about this and you may well be right.
HOWEVER....
Do I really need to know this much about Office internals, and
where
what
files are stored by whom to be allowed to set security "High"
and
write
a
simple grocery list?

For that matter, I don't want to "trust all installed templates
and
add-ins" anyhow. I just want no macros, no add ins, nothing
but
a
dead
dumb word processor that doesn't natter about macros 10 times a
day
when
I already told it I don't want to execute any.

Bill
--------------------------------
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Word will not question anything in its own Startup folder
provided
you
have
"Trust all installed templates and add-ins" checked on the
Trusted
Sources
tab of Tools | Macro | Security. Unfortunately, this trust
does
not
extend
to the Office Startup folder.