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Conditional inclusion of WordArt?
Graham, thanks for the tip --
I had tried to find a way to "grab" the WordArt object and paste it into the IF "action" field before I posted the question, but couldn't figure a way to do it (I couldn't seem to find a link field or anything similar "underneath" it that actually stored the object). Can you suggest how to copy it? Thanks, Bill "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... You can use the Word Art (in Word 2002/3) in the conditional field just as if it were text, or save the required artwork as an autotext entry and use the conditional field to insert an autotext field to call the graphic. eg {IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "Put your Word Art here"} or {IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "{Autotext "name"}"} You will have to build the condition by hand using CTRL+F9 for the field delimiters. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Bill Watkins wrote: Is there a way using the IF field to conditionally include a WordArt object? Thanks. |
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I've had a little more luck getting the WordArt pastes into the IF field,
but I'm having trouble getting reliable behaivior from the field if the WordArt object is "floating". It seems like once the IF field inserts the object as floating, it can't be removed by a later update of the field. The floating object remains even if I delete the entire field, and can only be deleted by direct deletion of the object. (It's made more confusing, because there's no apparent indication that the object is "in" the fieldcode.) The behavior seems reliable if I insert the object as an in-line "Picture", but in this case, you lose the object positioning information and have to mess around with paragraph positioning (of the field itself). Inserting from Autotext also worked, but in this case, it looks like you have to contend with template storage. "Bill Watkins" wrote in message ... Graham, thanks for the tip -- I had tried to find a way to "grab" the WordArt object and paste it into the IF "action" field before I posted the question, but couldn't figure a way to do it (I couldn't seem to find a link field or anything similar "underneath" it that actually stored the object). Can you suggest how to copy it? Thanks, Bill "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... You can use the Word Art (in Word 2002/3) in the conditional field just as if it were text, or save the required artwork as an autotext entry and use the conditional field to insert an autotext field to call the graphic. eg {IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "Put your Word Art here"} or {IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "{Autotext "name"}"} You will have to build the condition by hand using CTRL+F9 for the field delimiters. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Bill Watkins wrote: Is there a way using the IF field to conditionally include a WordArt object? Thanks. |
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If you display anchors for graphics it makes it a little easier. You can
drag and drop the anchor where you want your graphic to reside (even if it shows up elsewhere on the page). -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Bill Watkins" wrote in message ... I've had a little more luck getting the WordArt pastes into the IF field, but I'm having trouble getting reliable behaivior from the field if the WordArt object is "floating". It seems like once the IF field inserts the object as floating, it can't be removed by a later update of the field. The floating object remains even if I delete the entire field, and can only be deleted by direct deletion of the object. (It's made more confusing, because there's no apparent indication that the object is "in" the fieldcode.) The behavior seems reliable if I insert the object as an in-line "Picture", but in this case, you lose the object positioning information and have to mess around with paragraph positioning (of the field itself). Inserting from Autotext also worked, but in this case, it looks like you have to contend with template storage. "Bill Watkins" wrote in message ... Graham, thanks for the tip -- I had tried to find a way to "grab" the WordArt object and paste it into the IF "action" field before I posted the question, but couldn't figure a way to do it (I couldn't seem to find a link field or anything similar "underneath" it that actually stored the object). Can you suggest how to copy it? Thanks, Bill "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... You can use the Word Art (in Word 2002/3) in the conditional field just as if it were text, or save the required artwork as an autotext entry and use the conditional field to insert an autotext field to call the graphic. eg {IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "Put your Word Art here"} or {IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "{Autotext "name"}"} You will have to build the condition by hand using CTRL+F9 for the field delimiters. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Bill Watkins wrote: Is there a way using the IF field to conditionally include a WordArt object? Thanks. |
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I guess this is postscript on this. I don't know whether trying to use the
IF field in a header was the problem, but at some point, having these objects embedded in the IF field seems to send Word (2000) ballistic. The graphic starts flashing and the memory count starts climbing. In one case, Word just locked-up completely, taking several open documents with it. The final form of the field I was working with was: { IF { DOCPROPERTY "Status" } = "Draft" "" \* MERGEFORMAT }, with the object inserted as a Picture between the spaces after "Draft", and before the "" (I put the double quotes in as the "else" text.) The graphic itself was a large "Draft" watermark. Other oddities when trying to work with the form was that when embedded in the field, the graphic would occaisionlly become it's own brush, so if I moved it, it dropped new copies of itself leaving a "trail". I thought I had the INCLUDEPICTURE field approach working, but it too seemed to have some flakey behaivior when used in a header, e.g., getting strangely cropped or the graphic not being visible. "Bill Watkins" wrote in message ... I've had a little more luck getting the WordArt pastes into the IF field, but I'm having trouble getting reliable behaivior from the field if the WordArt object is "floating". It seems like once the IF field inserts the object as floating, it can't be removed by a later update of the field. The floating object remains even if I delete the entire field, and can only be deleted by direct deletion of the object. (It's made more confusing, because there's no apparent indication that the object is "in" the fieldcode.) The behavior seems reliable if I insert the object as an in-line "Picture", but in this case, you lose the object positioning information and have to mess around with paragraph positioning (of the field itself). Inserting from Autotext also worked, but in this case, it looks like you have to contend with template storage. "Bill Watkins" wrote in message ... Graham, thanks for the tip -- I had tried to find a way to "grab" the WordArt object and paste it into the IF "action" field before I posted the question, but couldn't figure a way to do it (I couldn't seem to find a link field or anything similar "underneath" it that actually stored the object). Can you suggest how to copy it? Thanks, Bill "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... You can use the Word Art (in Word 2002/3) in the conditional field just as if it were text, or save the required artwork as an autotext entry and use the conditional field to insert an autotext field to call the graphic. eg {IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "Put your Word Art here"} or {IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "{Autotext "name"}"} You will have to build the condition by hand using CTRL+F9 for the field delimiters. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Bill Watkins wrote: Is there a way using the IF field to conditionally include a WordArt object? Thanks. |
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If you are going to insert a floating image then you are going to have to
use the autotext method. Position the word art before saving it as autotext. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Bill Watkins wrote: I've had a little more luck getting the WordArt pastes into the IF field, but I'm having trouble getting reliable behaivior from the field if the WordArt object is "floating". It seems like once the IF field inserts the object as floating, it can't be removed by a later update of the field. The floating object remains even if I delete the entire field, and can only be deleted by direct deletion of the object. (It's made more confusing, because there's no apparent indication that the object is "in" the fieldcode.) The behavior seems reliable if I insert the object as an in-line "Picture", but in this case, you lose the object positioning information and have to mess around with paragraph positioning (of the field itself). Inserting from Autotext also worked, but in this case, it looks like you have to contend with template storage. "Bill Watkins" wrote in message ... Graham, thanks for the tip -- I had tried to find a way to "grab" the WordArt object and paste it into the IF "action" field before I posted the question, but couldn't figure a way to do it (I couldn't seem to find a link field or anything similar "underneath" it that actually stored the object). Can you suggest how to copy it? Thanks, Bill "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... You can use the Word Art (in Word 2002/3) in the conditional field just as if it were text, or save the required artwork as an autotext entry and use the conditional field to insert an autotext field to call the graphic. eg {IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "Put your Word Art here"} or {IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "{Autotext "name"}"} You will have to build the condition by hand using CTRL+F9 for the field delimiters. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Bill Watkins wrote: Is there a way using the IF field to conditionally include a WordArt object? Thanks. |
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Ouch -- I think I stumbled into a nasty bug.
It appears that if I try to create a conditional graphic watermark in a document by putting something like the following into an IF field in a header, Word (2000 or 2003) will eventually go nuts: { IF { DOCPROPERTY Status} = "Draft" {AUTOTEXT DRAFTGRAPHIC \* MERGEFORMAT }"Nothing" \* MERGEFORMAT } (DRAFTGRAPHIC contains a Picture that started out as a WordArt object. The Picture is set for behind text, and horizontal and vertial centering.) As I posted in an earlier message in the thread, when I tried pasting the object in question directly into the "success text" part of the IF field, I got all kinds of weird effects from the graphic, including "cookie cutter stamps" of the graphic, flashing graphics, etc., with Word eventually choking. (That was in Word 2000.) I thought adding the graphic via AutoText instead of paste to the IF field was the fix, until I started adding a second page to the template I was designing. (Using Word 2003 this time.) When I added the second page with a Page Break, the weirdness started happening again. A look at the Task Manager showed Word's memory climbing and Word grabbing up to 50% of the CPU. Word itself wouldn't give me a cursor, wouldn't let me resize the Window, and responded very slowly if at all to menu clicks or Close button hits. The Spell checker also seemed to go off on tear, even though there was only one line of text in a test document. I did not see this behavior if the field code was placed in the body text, only when in a header. I reproduced the behavior with a fresh template, new graphics, and manually inserted field codes. This is how I reproduced the problem in a very simple template (Word 2003): Create a new template. Create a simple WordArt object in the template. Copy and Paste-Special that object as a Picture in the same template. Set the Picture format to behind-text, and horizontally and vertically centered. Add the picture to that template's AutoText with a name like "DRAFTGRAPHIC". Save the template. Start a second template (the problem might reproduce in the original template, but I didn't try that). Use the Organizer to copy the AutoText item DRAFTGRAPHIC from the first template into the second template. If the property isn't already there, add a "Status" property to the second template, and give it the value "Draft". View Header/Footer. Put the following field code into the header (I added some text like "It's he" in front of the field code --don't know if this has anything to do with it or not.): { IF { DOCPROPERTY Status} = "Draft" {AUTOTEXT DRAFTGRAPHIC \* MERGEFORMAT }"Nothing" \* MERGEFORMAT } - Refresh the header. The graphic from the AutoText should now be visible on the page. So far, so good. Nothing wierd should be happening (that I've seen, anyway). If the Task Manager is up, Word's CPU and memory stats should appear stable. - Leave the header and go the body text. - Enter a manual Page Break. You should now have the picture showing on both pages. - Scroll up and down over both pages a few times. (Setting the view to "Two Pages" seems to accelerate the effect -- there appears to be some relationship with both copies of the picture being visible at the same time.) Things to look for at this point -- Word gets very "busy" and won't give you a cursor or respond reasonably to menu or window operations, the spell checker runs continuously, the title bar is grayed, CPU and memory usage start rising, and if things get really hairy, you may catch two instances of the document's task appearing in the Task Manager. (It seems like the more stuff that's in the document, the faster things go to heck.) The things that have been constant in my attempts to make this work have been the combination of the IF field containing a graphic object (whether directly pasted or via AutoText) in a header. On the surface, it looks like this is causing either a memory leak, or some kind of infinite repagination (which might explain the Spell checker behavior). "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... If you are going to insert a floating image then you are going to have to use the autotext method. Position the word art before saving it as autotext. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Bill Watkins wrote: I've had a little more luck getting the WordArt pastes into the IF field, but I'm having trouble getting reliable behaivior from the field if the WordArt object is "floating". It seems like once the IF field inserts the object as floating, it can't be removed by a later update of the field. The floating object remains even if I delete the entire field, and can only be deleted by direct deletion of the object. (It's made more confusing, because there's no apparent indication that the object is "in" the fieldcode.) The behavior seems reliable if I insert the object as an in-line "Picture", but in this case, you lose the object positioning information and have to mess around with paragraph positioning (of the field itself). Inserting from Autotext also worked, but in this case, it looks like you have to contend with template storage. "Bill Watkins" wrote in message ... Graham, thanks for the tip -- I had tried to find a way to "grab" the WordArt object and paste it into the IF "action" field before I posted the question, but couldn't figure a way to do it (I couldn't seem to find a link field or anything similar "underneath" it that actually stored the object). Can you suggest how to copy it? Thanks, Bill "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... You can use the Word Art (in Word 2002/3) in the conditional field just as if it were text, or save the required artwork as an autotext entry and use the conditional field to insert an autotext field to call the graphic. eg {IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "Put your Word Art here"} or {IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "{Autotext "name"}"} You will have to build the condition by hand using CTRL+F9 for the field delimiters. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Bill Watkins wrote: Is there a way using the IF field to conditionally include a WordArt object? Thanks. |
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PS -- I should mention that on one occaision when Word went nuts, I got some
messages about Normal.dot being changed / recovered. Not sure what caused this or what the change was, but I zapped the resulting Normal.dot anyway to get a fresh copy. (I do have up-to-date virus protection, so I don't think it was anything nefarious.) "Bill Watkins" wrote in message ... Ouch -- I think I stumbled into a nasty bug. It appears that if I try to create a conditional graphic watermark in a document by putting something like the following into an IF field in a header, Word (2000 or 2003) will eventually go nuts: { IF { DOCPROPERTY Status} = "Draft" {AUTOTEXT DRAFTGRAPHIC \* MERGEFORMAT }"Nothing" \* MERGEFORMAT } (DRAFTGRAPHIC contains a Picture that started out as a WordArt object. The Picture is set for behind text, and horizontal and vertial centering.) As I posted in an earlier message in the thread, when I tried pasting the object in question directly into the "success text" part of the IF field, I got all kinds of weird effects from the graphic, including "cookie cutter stamps" of the graphic, flashing graphics, etc., with Word eventually choking. (That was in Word 2000.) I thought adding the graphic via AutoText instead of paste to the IF field was the fix, until I started adding a second page to the template I was designing. (Using Word 2003 this time.) When I added the second page with a Page Break, the weirdness started happening again. A look at the Task Manager showed Word's memory climbing and Word grabbing up to 50% of the CPU. Word itself wouldn't give me a cursor, wouldn't let me resize the Window, and responded very slowly if at all to menu clicks or Close button hits. The Spell checker also seemed to go off on tear, even though there was only one line of text in a test document. I did not see this behavior if the field code was placed in the body text, only when in a header. I reproduced the behavior with a fresh template, new graphics, and manually inserted field codes. This is how I reproduced the problem in a very simple template (Word 2003): Create a new template. Create a simple WordArt object in the template. Copy and Paste-Special that object as a Picture in the same template. Set the Picture format to behind-text, and horizontally and vertically centered. Add the picture to that template's AutoText with a name like "DRAFTGRAPHIC". Save the template. Start a second template (the problem might reproduce in the original template, but I didn't try that). Use the Organizer to copy the AutoText item DRAFTGRAPHIC from the first template into the second template. If the property isn't already there, add a "Status" property to the second template, and give it the value "Draft". View Header/Footer. Put the following field code into the header (I added some text like "It's he" in front of the field code --don't know if this has anything to do with it or not.): { IF { DOCPROPERTY Status} = "Draft" {AUTOTEXT DRAFTGRAPHIC \* MERGEFORMAT }"Nothing" \* MERGEFORMAT } - Refresh the header. The graphic from the AutoText should now be visible on the page. So far, so good. Nothing wierd should be happening (that I've seen, anyway). If the Task Manager is up, Word's CPU and memory stats should appear stable. - Leave the header and go the body text. - Enter a manual Page Break. You should now have the picture showing on both pages. - Scroll up and down over both pages a few times. (Setting the view to "Two Pages" seems to accelerate the effect -- there appears to be some relationship with both copies of the picture being visible at the same time.) Things to look for at this point -- Word gets very "busy" and won't give you a cursor or respond reasonably to menu or window operations, the spell checker runs continuously, the title bar is grayed, CPU and memory usage start rising, and if things get really hairy, you may catch two instances of the document's task appearing in the Task Manager. (It seems like the more stuff that's in the document, the faster things go to heck.) The things that have been constant in my attempts to make this work have been the combination of the IF field containing a graphic object (whether directly pasted or via AutoText) in a header. On the surface, it looks like this is causing either a memory leak, or some kind of infinite repagination (which might explain the Spell checker behavior). "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... If you are going to insert a floating image then you are going to have to use the autotext method. Position the word art before saving it as autotext. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Bill Watkins wrote: I've had a little more luck getting the WordArt pastes into the IF field, but I'm having trouble getting reliable behaivior from the field if the WordArt object is "floating". It seems like once the IF field inserts the object as floating, it can't be removed by a later update of the field. The floating object remains even if I delete the entire field, and can only be deleted by direct deletion of the object. (It's made more confusing, because there's no apparent indication that the object is "in" the fieldcode.) The behavior seems reliable if I insert the object as an in-line "Picture", but in this case, you lose the object positioning information and have to mess around with paragraph positioning (of the field itself). Inserting from Autotext also worked, but in this case, it looks like you have to contend with template storage. "Bill Watkins" wrote in message ... Graham, thanks for the tip -- I had tried to find a way to "grab" the WordArt object and paste it into the IF "action" field before I posted the question, but couldn't figure a way to do it (I couldn't seem to find a link field or anything similar "underneath" it that actually stored the object). Can you suggest how to copy it? Thanks, Bill "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... You can use the Word Art (in Word 2002/3) in the conditional field just as if it were text, or save the required artwork as an autotext entry and use the conditional field to insert an autotext field to call the graphic. eg {IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "Put your Word Art here"} or {IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "{Autotext "name"}"} You will have to build the condition by hand using CTRL+F9 for the field delimiters. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Bill Watkins wrote: Is there a way using the IF field to conditionally include a WordArt object? Thanks. |
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I can't reproduce the problem here using your examples (Word 2003). To be
sure there is nothing amiss with your Word installation checkout the measures listed at http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/...peningWord.htm and http://www.gmayor.com/what_to_do_when_word_crashes.htm If you are using Norton AV, uncheck its office plug-in option. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Bill Watkins wrote: Ouch -- I think I stumbled into a nasty bug. It appears that if I try to create a conditional graphic watermark in a document by putting something like the following into an IF field in a header, Word (2000 or 2003) will eventually go nuts: { IF { DOCPROPERTY Status} = "Draft" {AUTOTEXT DRAFTGRAPHIC \* MERGEFORMAT }"Nothing" \* MERGEFORMAT } (DRAFTGRAPHIC contains a Picture that started out as a WordArt object. The Picture is set for behind text, and horizontal and vertial centering.) As I posted in an earlier message in the thread, when I tried pasting the object in question directly into the "success text" part of the IF field, I got all kinds of weird effects from the graphic, including "cookie cutter stamps" of the graphic, flashing graphics, etc., with Word eventually choking. (That was in Word 2000.) I thought adding the graphic via AutoText instead of paste to the IF field was the fix, until I started adding a second page to the template I was designing. (Using Word 2003 this time.) When I added the second page with a Page Break, the weirdness started happening again. A look at the Task Manager showed Word's memory climbing and Word grabbing up to 50% of the CPU. Word itself wouldn't give me a cursor, wouldn't let me resize the Window, and responded very slowly if at all to menu clicks or Close button hits. The Spell checker also seemed to go off on tear, even though there was only one line of text in a test document. I did not see this behavior if the field code was placed in the body text, only when in a header. I reproduced the behavior with a fresh template, new graphics, and manually inserted field codes. This is how I reproduced the problem in a very simple template (Word 2003): Create a new template. Create a simple WordArt object in the template. Copy and Paste-Special that object as a Picture in the same template. Set the Picture format to behind-text, and horizontally and vertically centered. Add the picture to that template's AutoText with a name like "DRAFTGRAPHIC". Save the template. Start a second template (the problem might reproduce in the original template, but I didn't try that). Use the Organizer to copy the AutoText item DRAFTGRAPHIC from the first template into the second template. If the property isn't already there, add a "Status" property to the second template, and give it the value "Draft". View Header/Footer. Put the following field code into the header (I added some text like "It's he" in front of the field code --don't know if this has anything to do with it or not.): { IF { DOCPROPERTY Status} = "Draft" {AUTOTEXT DRAFTGRAPHIC \* MERGEFORMAT }"Nothing" \* MERGEFORMAT } - Refresh the header. The graphic from the AutoText should now be visible on the page. So far, so good. Nothing wierd should be happening (that I've seen, anyway). If the Task Manager is up, Word's CPU and memory stats should appear stable. - Leave the header and go the body text. - Enter a manual Page Break. You should now have the picture showing on both pages. - Scroll up and down over both pages a few times. (Setting the view to "Two Pages" seems to accelerate the effect -- there appears to be some relationship with both copies of the picture being visible at the same time.) Things to look for at this point -- Word gets very "busy" and won't give you a cursor or respond reasonably to menu or window operations, the spell checker runs continuously, the title bar is grayed, CPU and memory usage start rising, and if things get really hairy, you may catch two instances of the document's task appearing in the Task Manager. (It seems like the more stuff that's in the document, the faster things go to heck.) The things that have been constant in my attempts to make this work have been the combination of the IF field containing a graphic object (whether directly pasted or via AutoText) in a header. On the surface, it looks like this is causing either a memory leak, or some kind of infinite repagination (which might explain the Spell checker behavior). "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... If you are going to insert a floating image then you are going to have to use the autotext method. Position the word art before saving it as autotext. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Bill Watkins wrote: I've had a little more luck getting the WordArt pastes into the IF field, but I'm having trouble getting reliable behaivior from the field if the WordArt object is "floating". It seems like once the IF field inserts the object as floating, it can't be removed by a later update of the field. The floating object remains even if I delete the entire field, and can only be deleted by direct deletion of the object. (It's made more confusing, because there's no apparent indication that the object is "in" the fieldcode.) The behavior seems reliable if I insert the object as an in-line "Picture", but in this case, you lose the object positioning information and have to mess around with paragraph positioning (of the field itself). Inserting from Autotext also worked, but in this case, it looks like you have to contend with template storage. "Bill Watkins" wrote in message ... Graham, thanks for the tip -- I had tried to find a way to "grab" the WordArt object and paste it into the IF "action" field before I posted the question, but couldn't figure a way to do it (I couldn't seem to find a link field or anything similar "underneath" it that actually stored the object). Can you suggest how to copy it? Thanks, Bill "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... You can use the Word Art (in Word 2002/3) in the conditional field just as if it were text, or save the required artwork as an autotext entry and use the conditional field to insert an autotext field to call the graphic. eg {IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "Put your Word Art here"} or {IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "{Autotext "name"}"} You will have to build the condition by hand using CTRL+F9 for the field delimiters. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Bill Watkins wrote: Is there a way using the IF field to conditionally include a WordArt object? Thanks. |
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Had you saved normal.dot after you added your AutoText to it (if you saved
it in normal.dot rather than your document template)? -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Bill Watkins" wrote in message ... PS -- I should mention that on one occaision when Word went nuts, I got some messages about Normal.dot being changed / recovered. Not sure what caused this or what the change was, but I zapped the resulting Normal.dot anyway to get a fresh copy. (I do have up-to-date virus protection, so I don't think it was anything nefarious.) "Bill Watkins" wrote in message ... Ouch -- I think I stumbled into a nasty bug. It appears that if I try to create a conditional graphic watermark in a document by putting something like the following into an IF field in a header, Word (2000 or 2003) will eventually go nuts: { IF { DOCPROPERTY Status} = "Draft" {AUTOTEXT DRAFTGRAPHIC \* MERGEFORMAT }"Nothing" \* MERGEFORMAT } (DRAFTGRAPHIC contains a Picture that started out as a WordArt object. The Picture is set for behind text, and horizontal and vertial centering.) As I posted in an earlier message in the thread, when I tried pasting the object in question directly into the "success text" part of the IF field, I got all kinds of weird effects from the graphic, including "cookie cutter stamps" of the graphic, flashing graphics, etc., with Word eventually choking. (That was in Word 2000.) I thought adding the graphic via AutoText instead of paste to the IF field was the fix, until I started adding a second page to the template I was designing. (Using Word 2003 this time.) When I added the second page with a Page Break, the weirdness started happening again. A look at the Task Manager showed Word's memory climbing and Word grabbing up to 50% of the CPU. Word itself wouldn't give me a cursor, wouldn't let me resize the Window, and responded very slowly if at all to menu clicks or Close button hits. The Spell checker also seemed to go off on tear, even though there was only one line of text in a test document. I did not see this behavior if the field code was placed in the body text, only when in a header. I reproduced the behavior with a fresh template, new graphics, and manually inserted field codes. This is how I reproduced the problem in a very simple template (Word 2003): Create a new template. Create a simple WordArt object in the template. Copy and Paste-Special that object as a Picture in the same template. Set the Picture format to behind-text, and horizontally and vertically centered. Add the picture to that template's AutoText with a name like "DRAFTGRAPHIC". Save the template. Start a second template (the problem might reproduce in the original template, but I didn't try that). Use the Organizer to copy the AutoText item DRAFTGRAPHIC from the first template into the second template. If the property isn't already there, add a "Status" property to the second template, and give it the value "Draft". View Header/Footer. Put the following field code into the header (I added some text like "It's he" in front of the field code --don't know if this has anything to do with it or not.): { IF { DOCPROPERTY Status} = "Draft" {AUTOTEXT DRAFTGRAPHIC \* MERGEFORMAT }"Nothing" \* MERGEFORMAT } - Refresh the header. The graphic from the AutoText should now be visible on the page. So far, so good. Nothing wierd should be happening (that I've seen, anyway). If the Task Manager is up, Word's CPU and memory stats should appear stable. - Leave the header and go the body text. - Enter a manual Page Break. You should now have the picture showing on both pages. - Scroll up and down over both pages a few times. (Setting the view to "Two Pages" seems to accelerate the effect -- there appears to be some relationship with both copies of the picture being visible at the same time.) Things to look for at this point -- Word gets very "busy" and won't give you a cursor or respond reasonably to menu or window operations, the spell checker runs continuously, the title bar is grayed, CPU and memory usage start rising, and if things get really hairy, you may catch two instances of the document's task appearing in the Task Manager. (It seems like the more stuff that's in the document, the faster things go to heck.) The things that have been constant in my attempts to make this work have been the combination of the IF field containing a graphic object (whether directly pasted or via AutoText) in a header. On the surface, it looks like this is causing either a memory leak, or some kind of infinite repagination (which might explain the Spell checker behavior). "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... If you are going to insert a floating image then you are going to have to use the autotext method. Position the word art before saving it as autotext. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Bill Watkins wrote: I've had a little more luck getting the WordArt pastes into the IF field, but I'm having trouble getting reliable behaivior from the field if the WordArt object is "floating". It seems like once the IF field inserts the object as floating, it can't be removed by a later update of the field. The floating object remains even if I delete the entire field, and can only be deleted by direct deletion of the object. (It's made more confusing, because there's no apparent indication that the object is "in" the fieldcode.) The behavior seems reliable if I insert the object as an in-line "Picture", but in this case, you lose the object positioning information and have to mess around with paragraph positioning (of the field itself). Inserting from Autotext also worked, but in this case, it looks like you have to contend with template storage. "Bill Watkins" wrote in message ... Graham, thanks for the tip -- I had tried to find a way to "grab" the WordArt object and paste it into the IF "action" field before I posted the question, but couldn't figure a way to do it (I couldn't seem to find a link field or anything similar "underneath" it that actually stored the object). Can you suggest how to copy it? Thanks, Bill "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... You can use the Word Art (in Word 2002/3) in the conditional field just as if it were text, or save the required artwork as an autotext entry and use the conditional field to insert an autotext field to call the graphic. eg {IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "Put your Word Art here"} or {IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "{Autotext "name"}"} You will have to build the condition by hand using CTRL+F9 for the field delimiters. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Bill Watkins wrote: Is there a way using the IF field to conditionally include a WordArt object? Thanks. |
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The AutoText was saved in the template I was working on.
"Charles Kenyon" wrote in message ... Had you saved normal.dot after you added your AutoText to it (if you saved it in normal.dot rather than your document template)? -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Bill Watkins" wrote in message ... PS -- I should mention that on one occaision when Word went nuts, I got some messages about Normal.dot being changed / recovered. Not sure what caused this or what the change was, but I zapped the resulting Normal.dot anyway to get a fresh copy. (I do have up-to-date virus protection, so I don't think it was anything nefarious.) "Bill Watkins" wrote in message ... Ouch -- I think I stumbled into a nasty bug. It appears that if I try to create a conditional graphic watermark in a document by putting something like the following into an IF field in a header, Word (2000 or 2003) will eventually go nuts: { IF { DOCPROPERTY Status} = "Draft" {AUTOTEXT DRAFTGRAPHIC \* MERGEFORMAT }"Nothing" \* MERGEFORMAT } (DRAFTGRAPHIC contains a Picture that started out as a WordArt object. The Picture is set for behind text, and horizontal and vertial centering.) As I posted in an earlier message in the thread, when I tried pasting the object in question directly into the "success text" part of the IF field, I got all kinds of weird effects from the graphic, including "cookie cutter stamps" of the graphic, flashing graphics, etc., with Word eventually choking. (That was in Word 2000.) I thought adding the graphic via AutoText instead of paste to the IF field was the fix, until I started adding a second page to the template I was designing. (Using Word 2003 this time.) When I added the second page with a Page Break, the weirdness started happening again. A look at the Task Manager showed Word's memory climbing and Word grabbing up to 50% of the CPU. Word itself wouldn't give me a cursor, wouldn't let me resize the Window, and responded very slowly if at all to menu clicks or Close button hits. The Spell checker also seemed to go off on tear, even though there was only one line of text in a test document. I did not see this behavior if the field code was placed in the body text, only when in a header. I reproduced the behavior with a fresh template, new graphics, and manually inserted field codes. This is how I reproduced the problem in a very simple template (Word 2003): Create a new template. Create a simple WordArt object in the template. Copy and Paste-Special that object as a Picture in the same template. Set the Picture format to behind-text, and horizontally and vertically centered. Add the picture to that template's AutoText with a name like "DRAFTGRAPHIC". Save the template. Start a second template (the problem might reproduce in the original template, but I didn't try that). Use the Organizer to copy the AutoText item DRAFTGRAPHIC from the first template into the second template. If the property isn't already there, add a "Status" property to the second template, and give it the value "Draft". View Header/Footer. Put the following field code into the header (I added some text like "It's he" in front of the field code --don't know if this has anything to do with it or not.): { IF { DOCPROPERTY Status} = "Draft" {AUTOTEXT DRAFTGRAPHIC \* MERGEFORMAT }"Nothing" \* MERGEFORMAT } - Refresh the header. The graphic from the AutoText should now be visible on the page. So far, so good. Nothing wierd should be happening (that I've seen, anyway). If the Task Manager is up, Word's CPU and memory stats should appear stable. - Leave the header and go the body text. - Enter a manual Page Break. You should now have the picture showing on both pages. - Scroll up and down over both pages a few times. (Setting the view to "Two Pages" seems to accelerate the effect -- there appears to be some relationship with both copies of the picture being visible at the same time.) Things to look for at this point -- Word gets very "busy" and won't give you a cursor or respond reasonably to menu or window operations, the spell checker runs continuously, the title bar is grayed, CPU and memory usage start rising, and if things get really hairy, you may catch two instances of the document's task appearing in the Task Manager. (It seems like the more stuff that's in the document, the faster things go to heck.) The things that have been constant in my attempts to make this work have been the combination of the IF field containing a graphic object (whether directly pasted or via AutoText) in a header. On the surface, it looks like this is causing either a memory leak, or some kind of infinite repagination (which might explain the Spell checker behavior). "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... If you are going to insert a floating image then you are going to have to use the autotext method. Position the word art before saving it as autotext. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Bill Watkins wrote: I've had a little more luck getting the WordArt pastes into the IF field, but I'm having trouble getting reliable behaivior from the field if the WordArt object is "floating". It seems like once the IF field inserts the object as floating, it can't be removed by a later update of the field. The floating object remains even if I delete the entire field, and can only be deleted by direct deletion of the object. (It's made more confusing, because there's no apparent indication that the object is "in" the fieldcode.) The behavior seems reliable if I insert the object as an in-line "Picture", but in this case, you lose the object positioning information and have to mess around with paragraph positioning (of the field itself). Inserting from Autotext also worked, but in this case, it looks like you have to contend with template storage. "Bill Watkins" wrote in message ... Graham, thanks for the tip -- I had tried to find a way to "grab" the WordArt object and paste it into the IF "action" field before I posted the question, but couldn't figure a way to do it (I couldn't seem to find a link field or anything similar "underneath" it that actually stored the object). Can you suggest how to copy it? Thanks, Bill "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... You can use the Word Art (in Word 2002/3) in the conditional field just as if it were text, or save the required artwork as an autotext entry and use the conditional field to insert an autotext field to call the graphic. eg {IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "Put your Word Art here"} or {IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "{Autotext "name"}"} You will have to build the condition by hand using CTRL+F9 for the field delimiters. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Bill Watkins wrote: Is there a way using the IF field to conditionally include a WordArt object? Thanks. |
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I turned off the NAV Office plug-in option, but it had no apparent effect.
(We use MacAfee and Word 2000 in the office, and I had similar problems there, albeit using a direct paste of the object into the IF field.) Part of the triggering mechanism appears to be having the two pages in view at the same time. It sometimes takes a bit of scrolling up and down over the "border" between the pages before the fun starts. (Watch Winword in the process list while doing this. What I've seen is some early oscillation in memory, but then a steady rise, accompanied by CPU usage in the 50% range.) "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... I can't reproduce the problem here using your examples (Word 2003). To be sure there is nothing amiss with your Word installation checkout the measures listed at http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/...peningWord.htm and http://www.gmayor.com/what_to_do_when_word_crashes.htm If you are using Norton AV, uncheck its office plug-in option. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Bill Watkins wrote: Ouch -- I think I stumbled into a nasty bug. It appears that if I try to create a conditional graphic watermark in a document by putting something like the following into an IF field in a header, Word (2000 or 2003) will eventually go nuts: { IF { DOCPROPERTY Status} = "Draft" {AUTOTEXT DRAFTGRAPHIC \* MERGEFORMAT }"Nothing" \* MERGEFORMAT } (DRAFTGRAPHIC contains a Picture that started out as a WordArt object. The Picture is set for behind text, and horizontal and vertial centering.) As I posted in an earlier message in the thread, when I tried pasting the object in question directly into the "success text" part of the IF field, I got all kinds of weird effects from the graphic, including "cookie cutter stamps" of the graphic, flashing graphics, etc., with Word eventually choking. (That was in Word 2000.) I thought adding the graphic via AutoText instead of paste to the IF field was the fix, until I started adding a second page to the template I was designing. (Using Word 2003 this time.) When I added the second page with a Page Break, the weirdness started happening again. A look at the Task Manager showed Word's memory climbing and Word grabbing up to 50% of the CPU. Word itself wouldn't give me a cursor, wouldn't let me resize the Window, and responded very slowly if at all to menu clicks or Close button hits. The Spell checker also seemed to go off on tear, even though there was only one line of text in a test document. I did not see this behavior if the field code was placed in the body text, only when in a header. I reproduced the behavior with a fresh template, new graphics, and manually inserted field codes. This is how I reproduced the problem in a very simple template (Word 2003): Create a new template. Create a simple WordArt object in the template. Copy and Paste-Special that object as a Picture in the same template. Set the Picture format to behind-text, and horizontally and vertically centered. Add the picture to that template's AutoText with a name like "DRAFTGRAPHIC". Save the template. Start a second template (the problem might reproduce in the original template, but I didn't try that). Use the Organizer to copy the AutoText item DRAFTGRAPHIC from the first template into the second template. If the property isn't already there, add a "Status" property to the second template, and give it the value "Draft". View Header/Footer. Put the following field code into the header (I added some text like "It's he" in front of the field code --don't know if this has anything to do with it or not.): { IF { DOCPROPERTY Status} = "Draft" {AUTOTEXT DRAFTGRAPHIC \* MERGEFORMAT }"Nothing" \* MERGEFORMAT } - Refresh the header. The graphic from the AutoText should now be visible on the page. So far, so good. Nothing wierd should be happening (that I've seen, anyway). If the Task Manager is up, Word's CPU and memory stats should appear stable. - Leave the header and go the body text. - Enter a manual Page Break. You should now have the picture showing on both pages. - Scroll up and down over both pages a few times. (Setting the view to "Two Pages" seems to accelerate the effect -- there appears to be some relationship with both copies of the picture being visible at the same time.) Things to look for at this point -- Word gets very "busy" and won't give you a cursor or respond reasonably to menu or window operations, the spell checker runs continuously, the title bar is grayed, CPU and memory usage start rising, and if things get really hairy, you may catch two instances of the document's task appearing in the Task Manager. (It seems like the more stuff that's in the document, the faster things go to heck.) The things that have been constant in my attempts to make this work have been the combination of the IF field containing a graphic object (whether directly pasted or via AutoText) in a header. On the surface, it looks like this is causing either a memory leak, or some kind of infinite repagination (which might explain the Spell checker behavior). "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... If you are going to insert a floating image then you are going to have to use the autotext method. Position the word art before saving it as autotext. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Bill Watkins wrote: I've had a little more luck getting the WordArt pastes into the IF field, but I'm having trouble getting reliable behaivior from the field if the WordArt object is "floating". It seems like once the IF field inserts the object as floating, it can't be removed by a later update of the field. The floating object remains even if I delete the entire field, and can only be deleted by direct deletion of the object. (It's made more confusing, because there's no apparent indication that the object is "in" the fieldcode.) The behavior seems reliable if I insert the object as an in-line "Picture", but in this case, you lose the object positioning information and have to mess around with paragraph positioning (of the field itself). Inserting from Autotext also worked, but in this case, it looks like you have to contend with template storage. "Bill Watkins" wrote in message ... Graham, thanks for the tip -- I had tried to find a way to "grab" the WordArt object and paste it into the IF "action" field before I posted the question, but couldn't figure a way to do it (I couldn't seem to find a link field or anything similar "underneath" it that actually stored the object). Can you suggest how to copy it? Thanks, Bill "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... You can use the Word Art (in Word 2002/3) in the conditional field just as if it were text, or save the required artwork as an autotext entry and use the conditional field to insert an autotext field to call the graphic. eg {IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "Put your Word Art here"} or {IF {Mergefield fieldname} = condition "{Autotext "name"}"} You will have to build the condition by hand using CTRL+F9 for the field delimiters. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Bill Watkins wrote: Is there a way using the IF field to conditionally include a WordArt object? Thanks. |
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I turned off the NAV Office plug-in option, but it had no apparent effect.
(We use MacAfee and Word 2000 in the office, and I had similar problems there, albeit using a direct paste of the object into the IF field.) I'm attaching two of the simple test .dot's that have the problem. "Clean Test 1..." was created similar to the steps I described. Add a single page break after the "Just some text over the graphic" line, and then scroll up and down over the two pages for a bit so that both pages are usually partially in view (having two pages in view appears to be part of the triggering mechanism). (BTW, the text over the graphic was just one thing I was testing-- it appeared to have no real effect, and the same thing happened if I had only have a single paragraph mark in the body before I added the page break, as in the steps I sent. In a document with somewhat more body text over the graphic, the body text often starts to "blink" a bit when scrolled.) For some reason, it takes a few moments for the problems to start, but eventually if I keep scrolling over the two pages, Word gets "busy" and won't give me back control, and the memory count starts climbing (it oscillates a bit at first, but keeps rising overall). Once or twice, it has eventually responded to the Close window command, but usually I have to kill the application from the Task Manager. I also get this strange phenomenon of two instances of the document-application appearing intermittently in the Task Manager's "Application" tab. "Clean Test 2..." was a save I made of "Clean Test 1..." immediately after inserting the page break and before things got out of hand (but it still took a long time to respond to the save command). Interestingly, "Clean Test 2" didn't go completely bonkers the first time I opened it until I added another page break (to make three pages), and kept two pages in view. The CPU was somewhat less, but the memory climb was pretty steady. The second time I opened "Clean Test 2", the CPU went high pretty quickly. Again, it appears to have something to do with two pages being in view. "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... I can't reproduce the problem here using your examples (Word 2003). To be sure there is nothing amiss with your Word installation checkout the measures listed at http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/...peningWord.htm and http://www.gmayor.com/what_to_do_when_word_crashes.htm If you are using Norton AV, uncheck its office plug-in option. -- |
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Please do not attach anything to posts in these newsgroups.
-- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Bill Watkins" wrote in message ... I turned off the NAV Office plug-in option, but it had no apparent effect. (We use MacAfee and Word 2000 in the office, and I had similar problems there, albeit using a direct paste of the object into the IF field.) I'm attaching two of the simple test .dot's that have the problem. "Clean Test 1..." was created similar to the steps I described. Add a single page break after the "Just some text over the graphic" line, and then scroll up and down over the two pages for a bit so that both pages are usually partially in view (having two pages in view appears to be part of the triggering mechanism). (BTW, the text over the graphic was just one thing I was testing-- it appeared to have no real effect, and the same thing happened if I had only have a single paragraph mark in the body before I added the page break, as in the steps I sent. In a document with somewhat more body text over the graphic, the body text often starts to "blink" a bit when scrolled.) For some reason, it takes a few moments for the problems to start, but eventually if I keep scrolling over the two pages, Word gets "busy" and won't give me back control, and the memory count starts climbing (it oscillates a bit at first, but keeps rising overall). Once or twice, it has eventually responded to the Close window command, but usually I have to kill the application from the Task Manager. I also get this strange phenomenon of two instances of the document-application appearing intermittently in the Task Manager's "Application" tab. "Clean Test 2..." was a save I made of "Clean Test 1..." immediately after inserting the page break and before things got out of hand (but it still took a long time to respond to the save command). Interestingly, "Clean Test 2" didn't go completely bonkers the first time I opened it until I added another page break (to make three pages), and kept two pages in view. The CPU was somewhat less, but the memory climb was pretty steady. The second time I opened "Clean Test 2", the CPU went high pretty quickly. Again, it appears to have something to do with two pages being in view. "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... I can't reproduce the problem here using your examples (Word 2003). To be sure there is nothing amiss with your Word installation checkout the measures listed at http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/...peningWord.htm and http://www.gmayor.com/what_to_do_when_word_crashes.htm If you are using Norton AV, uncheck its office plug-in option. -- |
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"Charles Kenyon" wrote in message ... Please do not attach anything to posts in these newsgroups. -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Bill Watkins" wrote in message ... I turned off the NAV Office plug-in option, but it had no apparent effect. (We use MacAfee and Word 2000 in the office, and I had similar problems there, albeit using a direct paste of the object into the IF field.) I'm attaching two of the simple test .dot's that have the problem. "Clean Test 1..." was created similar to the steps I described. Add a single page break after the "Just some text over the graphic" line, and then scroll up and down over the two pages for a bit so that both pages are usually partially in view (having two pages in view appears to be part of the triggering mechanism). (BTW, the text over the graphic was just one thing I was testing-- it appeared to have no real effect, and the same thing happened if I had only have a single paragraph mark in the body before I added the page break, as in the steps I sent. In a document with somewhat more body text over the graphic, the body text often starts to "blink" a bit when scrolled.) For some reason, it takes a few moments for the problems to start, but eventually if I keep scrolling over the two pages, Word gets "busy" and won't give me back control, and the memory count starts climbing (it oscillates a bit at first, but keeps rising overall). Once or twice, it has eventually responded to the Close window command, but usually I have to kill the application from the Task Manager. I also get this strange phenomenon of two instances of the document-application appearing intermittently in the Task Manager's "Application" tab. "Clean Test 2..." was a save I made of "Clean Test 1..." immediately after inserting the page break and before things got out of hand (but it still took a long time to respond to the save command). Interestingly, "Clean Test 2" didn't go completely bonkers the first time I opened it until I added another page break (to make three pages), and kept two pages in view. The CPU was somewhat less, but the memory climb was pretty steady. The second time I opened "Clean Test 2", the CPU went high pretty quickly. Again, it appears to have something to do with two pages being in view. "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... I can't reproduce the problem here using your examples (Word 2003). To be sure there is nothing amiss with your Word installation checkout the measures listed at http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/...peningWord.htm and http://www.gmayor.com/what_to_do_when_word_crashes.htm If you are using Norton AV, uncheck its office plug-in option. -- |
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