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Hi,

I have been using Word 97 to create the text sections of the web site
"levittownbristolkiwanis.com". I have created text and calendar sections.

Is there a substantial improvement in the html function of Word 2003 over
Word 97?

Word 97 is working ok. However. I have not found help in print for 97's
html mode.
I had to learn by trial an error. The most diffictult lesson was learning
that html and native mode are seperate functions and switching from one to
the other causes corruption in both. Word works great in HTML as long as you
keep it seperate from the native word format. To reformat html for printing
by saving the html as a native Word doc is a real pain. Does 2003 address
any of these concerns or is it basically the same.

Howie


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Hi John,

Thanks for the reply. Glad to hear 2003 is an improved htm product. The
only other question I might ask is: Why did Microsoft discontinue the
upgrade discount? But the full price is reasonable. So I'll stop
complaining.

Thanks again,
Howie

"John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macinto" wrote:

The improvements are "dramatic". Word 2003 offers XML as a parallel native
format.

Please understand that Word does not, and never did, write "HTML". HTML is
a simple language from the beginning of the web. It does not have enough
power to fully describe a Word document: that's why if you save as a web
page in Word 97, then try to bring the result back as a document, you will
lose data and formatting.

Word 2003 writes full-featured XML, which does have the power to fully
describe anything Word 2003 can create. You will get a "perfect"
round-trip.

Hope this helps


On 28/3/06 11:36 AM, in article
, "HK"
wrote:

Hi,

I have been using Word 97 to create the text sections of the web site
"levittownbristolkiwanis.com". I have created text and calendar sections.

Is there a substantial improvement in the html function of Word 2003 over
Word 97?

Word 97 is working ok. However. I have not found help in print for 97's
html mode.
I had to learn by trial an error. The most diffictult lesson was learning
that html and native mode are seperate functions and switching from one to
the other causes corruption in both. Word works great in HTML as long as you
keep it seperate from the native word format. To reformat html for printing
by saving the html as a native Word doc is a real pain. Does 2003 address
any of these concerns or is it basically the same.

Howie



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The improvements are "dramatic". Word 2003 offers XML as a parallel native
format.

Please understand that Word does not, and never did, write "HTML". HTML is
a simple language from the beginning of the web. It does not have enough
power to fully describe a Word document: that's why if you save as a web
page in Word 97, then try to bring the result back as a document, you will
lose data and formatting.

Word 2003 writes full-featured XML, which does have the power to fully
describe anything Word 2003 can create. You will get a "perfect"
round-trip.

Hope this helps


On 28/3/06 11:36 AM, in article
, "HK"
wrote:

Hi,

I have been using Word 97 to create the text sections of the web site
"levittownbristolkiwanis.com". I have created text and calendar sections.

Is there a substantial improvement in the html function of Word 2003 over
Word 97?

Word 97 is working ok. However. I have not found help in print for 97's
html mode.
I had to learn by trial an error. The most diffictult lesson was learning
that html and native mode are seperate functions and switching from one to
the other causes corruption in both. Word works great in HTML as long as you
keep it seperate from the native word format. To reformat html for printing
by saving the html as a native Word doc is a real pain. Does 2003 address
any of these concerns or is it basically the same.

Howie



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me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410

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Hi H.K.,

Word HTML
===========
For Word 6, 7/95 and 97, the HTML was created by Word using an Add-in (started off as the 'Internet Assistant') and, as John
mentioned, basically exported simple HTML web page formats from your .doc file and you could produce a 'regular' (compact/small)
website with it.

Office 2000 changed how Word handled things both internally and externally. The feature for 'web documents' of 'round tripping' was
intended that the average user could create a web page without needing to know any html, as Word would put together a 'browser
feature limited' version of your Word document to display online but would keep with it all of the original content that only Word
could use so that the page could be reopened in Word and restored to a .doc file. The tradeoff (or drawback depending on your point
of view on web page creation g) was that you got quick and easy creation of a web page with more of Word's featurs at the expense
of small and fast HTML that helped to load websites quickly and in multiple browser versions. For corporate folks, often on
internal networks, the ability to save without learning often outweighed the 'but it's a big file' "problem".

The 'how to use Word to create personal web pages' site is still available, for now, (soon to be 3 versions old g) at
http://microsoft.com/Office/previous...fe/default.asp

There were a couple of nice features in the Word 97 version that were taken out and have sadly never come back since then, that made
working with Word to create 'public' web pages more useful.

Upgrades
=========
Microsoft still offers an upgrade package for Office and for Word 2003. http://microsoft.com/howtobuy .Over time MS has somewhat
continued to tighten up what qualifies as upgrades. Office 97 was the last version that accepted 'competing products' [brands] for
upgrades, for example, adding back MS Works 'any version' for Office 2003
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/158069/en-us?FR=1

As it did in Office 97 the upgrade is generally for 2 versions back of Office (Office 2000 (v9) and Office XP (v10)). For Office 97
(v8) it was Office 95(v7) and the individual (standalone) apps only from Office 4(93) [v5 was Mac only and they skipped over v6 for
marketing purposes g].

One package, MS Office 2003 Small Business Management Edition contains MS Office 2003 Professional edition (not Small Business
Edition) plus MS Office Small Business Accounting 2006 for only slightly more than the MS Office 2003 Professional Edition upgrade
and it's the only edition that will even allow 'cross grade' upgrades (i.e. it recognizes other Office 2003 products as upgrade
qualifiers).


The next new version of Office (2007) is due out at the first of next year (in retail stores).

============
"HK" wrote in message ...
Hi John,

Thanks for the reply. Glad to hear 2003 is an improved htm product. The
only other question I might ask is: Why did Microsoft discontinue the
upgrade discount? But the full price is reasonable. So I'll stop
complaining.

Thanks again,
Howie
--
Let us know if this helped you,

Bob Buckland ?:-)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends


Pricing and Packages for '2007 Microsoft Office System'
http://microsoft.com/office/preview


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"Bob Buckland ?:-)" wrote:

Hi H.K.,

Word HTML
===========
For Word 6, 7/95 and 97, the HTML was created by Word using an Add-in (started off as the 'Internet Assistant') and, as John
mentioned, basically exported simple HTML web page formats from your .doc file and you could produce a 'regular' (compact/small)
website with it.

Office 2000 changed how Word handled things both internally and externally. The feature for 'web documents' of 'round tripping' was
intended that the average user could create a web page without needing to know any html, as Word would put together a 'browser
feature limited' version of your Word document to display online but would keep with it all of the original content that only Word
could use so that the page could be reopened in Word and restored to a .doc file. The tradeoff (or drawback depending on your point
of view on web page creation g) was that you got quick and easy creation of a web page with more of Word's featurs at the expense
of small and fast HTML that helped to load websites quickly and in multiple browser versions. For corporate folks, often on
internal networks, the ability to save without learning often outweighed the 'but it's a big file' "problem".

The 'how to use Word to create personal web pages' site is still available, for now, (soon to be 3 versions old g) at
http://microsoft.com/Office/previous...fe/default.asp

There were a couple of nice features in the Word 97 version that were taken out and have sadly never come back since then, that made
working with Word to create 'public' web pages more useful.

Upgrades
=========
Microsoft still offers an upgrade package for Office and for Word 2003. http://microsoft.com/howtobuy .Over time MS has somewhat
continued to tighten up what qualifies as upgrades. Office 97 was the last version that accepted 'competing products' [brands] for
upgrades, for example, adding back MS Works 'any version' for Office 2003
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/158069/en-us?FR=1

As it did in Office 97 the upgrade is generally for 2 versions back of Office (Office 2000 (v9) and Office XP (v10)). For Office 97
(v8) it was Office 95(v7) and the individual (standalone) apps only from Office 4(93) [v5 was Mac only and they skipped over v6 for
marketing purposes g].

One package, MS Office 2003 Small Business Management Edition contains MS Office 2003 Professional edition (not Small Business
Edition) plus MS Office Small Business Accounting 2006 for only slightly more than the MS Office 2003 Professional Edition upgrade
and it's the only edition that will even allow 'cross grade' upgrades (i.e. it recognizes other Office 2003 products as upgrade
qualifiers).


The next new version of Office (2007) is due out at the first of next year (in retail stores).

============
"HK" wrote in message ...
Hi John,

Thanks for the reply. Glad to hear 2003 is an improved htm product. The
only other question I might ask is: Why did Microsoft discontinue the
upgrade discount? But the full price is reasonable. So I'll stop
complaining.

Thanks again,
Howie
--
Let us know if this helped you,

Bob Buckland ?:-)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends


Pricing and Packages for '2007 Microsoft Office System'
http://microsoft.com/office/preview





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"Bob Buckland ?:-)" wrote:

Hi H.K.,

Word HTML
===========
For Word 6, 7/95 and 97, the HTML was created by Word using an Add-in (started off as the 'Internet Assistant') and, as John
mentioned, basically exported simple HTML web page formats from your .doc file and you could produce a 'regular' (compact/small)
website with it.

Office 2000 changed how Word handled things both internally and externally. The feature for 'web documents' of 'round tripping' was
intended that the average user could create a web page without needing to know any html, as Word would put together a 'browser
feature limited' version of your Word document to display online but would keep with it all of the original content that only Word
could use so that the page could be reopened in Word and restored to a .doc file. The tradeoff (or drawback depending on your point
of view on web page creation g) was that you got quick and easy creation of a web page with more of Word's featurs at the expense
of small and fast HTML that helped to load websites quickly and in multiple browser versions. For corporate folks, often on
internal networks, the ability to save without learning often outweighed the 'but it's a big file' "problem".

The 'how to use Word to create personal web pages' site is still available, for now, (soon to be 3 versions old g) at
http://microsoft.com/Office/previous...fe/default.asp

There were a couple of nice features in the Word 97 version that were taken out and have sadly never come back since then, that made
working with Word to create 'public' web pages more useful.

Upgrades
=========
Microsoft still offers an upgrade package for Office and for Word 2003. http://microsoft.com/howtobuy .Over time MS has somewhat
continued to tighten up what qualifies as upgrades. Office 97 was the last version that accepted 'competing products' [brands] for
upgrades, for example, adding back MS Works 'any version' for Office 2003
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/158069/en-us?FR=1

As it did in Office 97 the upgrade is generally for 2 versions back of Office (Office 2000 (v9) and Office XP (v10)). For Office 97
(v8) it was Office 95(v7) and the individual (standalone) apps only from Office 4(93) [v5 was Mac only and they skipped over v6 for
marketing purposes g].

One package, MS Office 2003 Small Business Management Edition contains MS Office 2003 Professional edition (not Small Business
Edition) plus MS Office Small Business Accounting 2006 for only slightly more than the MS Office 2003 Professional Edition upgrade
and it's the only edition that will even allow 'cross grade' upgrades (i.e. it recognizes other Office 2003 products as upgrade
qualifiers).


The next new version of Office (2007) is due out at the first of next year (in retail stores).

============
"HK" wrote in message ...
Hi John,

Thanks for the reply. Glad to hear 2003 is an improved htm product. The
only other question I might ask is: Why did Microsoft discontinue the
upgrade discount? But the full price is reasonable. So I'll stop
complaining.

Thanks again,
Howie
--
Let us know if this helped you,

Bob Buckland ?:-)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends


Pricing and Packages for '2007 Microsoft Office System'
http://microsoft.com/office/preview


Hi Bob,


Again thanks for the quick reply.

You mentioned that 97 had a couple of features not available in 2003.

I save my Word97 HTM file into the input folder for Adobe GoLive CS.
GoLive accepts the Word97 htm file. And in addition, within GoLive, I can
change links made in Word97 HTM and point to other HTMs created in Word97 or
other html files that are compatable. Will I lose this flexabliblity in
2003. I find Word97 compatable and flexable with Adobe GoLiveCS and I need
this functionality. I'm concerned that Word 2003 might not respond as GoLive
expects. Maybe a look at my web site "levittownbristolkiwanis.com" might
help in understanding my concern.

Howie
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Hi Howie,

One of the features that Word 97 has is that you can type HTML into the document itself (not the source code view) then apply the
Web Normal style to it and that HTML code will 'melt' into the HTML source code level. Can't even come close in later versions of
Word

Another is the ability to right click on a picture in a Word web page in Word 97 and save the graphic separately. You can still do
that with later versions of Word by extracting the graphics from Explorer after previewing or saving as a web page.

Word 97 has very limited table and color support (but then compared to today's .doc files, so did Word g but it does save HTML
(albeit 'old' HTML g) rather than XML.

If you're using Adobe InDesign & GoLive 6, then they can handle the newer Word formats through the clipboard or file import, but if
you have an up to date Web authoring tool then adding Word to the mix other than as a source to copy from into another app for a
public website, such as yours, may not be a first choice. MS Office Frontpage (soon to be replaced by new product lines) or even MS
Office Publisher may be better choices in the 'not really web page editors' category, but with a number of free and low cost web
page design alternatives available...

You may want to also check with the folks in the Indesign/GoLive forums at http://adobe.com on working with MS Word 2000 thru 2003
file formats in those products.

==========
"HK" wrote in message ...

I save my Word97 HTM file into the input folder for Adobe GoLive CS.
GoLive accepts the Word97 htm file. And in addition, within GoLive, I can
change links made in Word97 HTM and point to other HTMs created in Word97 or
other html files that are compatable. Will I lose this flexabliblity in
2003. I find Word97 compatable and flexable with Adobe GoLiveCS and I need
this functionality. I'm concerned that Word 2003 might not respond as GoLive
expects. Maybe a look at my web site "levittownbristolkiwanis.com" might
help in understanding my concern.

Howie
--
Let us know if this helped you,

Bob Buckland ?:-)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends


Pricing and Packages for '2007 Microsoft Office System'
http://microsoft.com/office/preview


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"Bob Buckland ?:-)" wrote:

Hi Howie,

One of the features that Word 97 has is that you can type HTML into the document itself (not the source code view) then apply the
Web Normal style to it and that HTML code will 'melt' into the HTML source code level. Can't even come close in later versions of
Word

Another is the ability to right click on a picture in a Word web page in Word 97 and save the graphic separately. You can still do
that with later versions of Word by extracting the graphics from Explorer after previewing or saving as a web page.

Word 97 has very limited table and color support (but then compared to today's .doc files, so did Word g but it does save HTML
(albeit 'old' HTML g) rather than XML.

If you're using Adobe InDesign & GoLive 6, then they can handle the newer Word formats through the clipboard or file import, but if
you have an up to date Web authoring tool then adding Word to the mix other than as a source to copy from into another app for a
public website, such as yours, may not be a first choice. MS Office Frontpage (soon to be replaced by new product lines) or even MS
Office Publisher may be better choices in the 'not really web page editors' category, but with a number of free and low cost web
page design alternatives available...

You may want to also check with the folks in the Indesign/GoLive forums at http://adobe.com on working with MS Word 2000 thru 2003
file formats in those products.

==========
"HK" wrote in message ...

I save my Word97 HTM file into the input folder for Adobe GoLive CS.
GoLive accepts the Word97 htm file. And in addition, within GoLive, I can
change links made in Word97 HTM and point to other HTMs created in Word97 or
other html files that are compatable. Will I lose this flexabliblity in
2003. I find Word97 compatable and flexable with Adobe GoLiveCS and I need
this functionality. I'm concerned that Word 2003 might not respond as GoLive
expects. Maybe a look at my web site "levittownbristolkiwanis.com" might
help in understanding my concern.

Howie
--
Let us know if this helped you,

Bob Buckland ?:-)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends


Pricing and Packages for '2007 Microsoft Office System'
http://microsoft.com/office/preview


Thanks Bob,


This has been a big help.

I only use Word97 to enter text. I use Adobe Photoshop and ImageReady for
all my graphics work. But Photoshop and ImageReady don't handle text as well
as Word 97. Word 97 also has outstanding backgrounds for text display on web
pages. Word's table features also work quite well for newspaper columns.
But I'll check out FrontPage and Publisher as you suggested. I just thought
a word processor was better for word processing. Most web pages look and
feal the same. The fonts are usually the same and not very good. A lot of
them look like yesterdays newspaper. Such a shame. The web has a lot more
potential than that. We have enough newspapers. We need something pleasant
to look at. But maybe that's just me.
Thanks again,
Howie

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