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Can a style become font-neutral?
I am tryging to define my styles so to make them easy to modify. In
particular, I would like to remove all font type definitions from all styles but for the normal style (for paragraphs styles) and the default paragraph font for character styles (I am using a Spanish version of word so I don't have the English name of this style). Then I can define all other styles as deviations of these tweo styles and that would make it easier for me to change the font of all styles. THe problem is that before realising that this was a sensible thing to do I selected specific font for other styles, such as Heading 1 and Body tex etc, and I haven't figured out a way to remove such definitions for these styles. If i go to the "modifyt style" tab and clik on "font" and simply delete the name of the font (e.g. Adobe Garamond Pro) and then click OK, the style remains unmodified. It seems that I can only change the font by selecting other font. Is there any way to make a style font-neutral? (apart, of course, of deleting the style and creating it anew, which apparently cannot be done with in-built styles anyway). |
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I believe that if you set the font of the child style to the same font
currently defined in the parent style (the style set as "based on), that it will wipe out the additional font definition, and next time you change the parent style, the child style will pick up the correct font. (just had to mess around with that the other day, in fact...) However, I'm not sure that redefining all your styles like that is the most efficient way, though obviously it depends on your workflow... It may be better to instead set up custom templates for specific projects. More info: http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart1.htm I'm a tad superstitious here, but for anything worth putting that much effort into, I just avoid Normal so that I don't have to worry about unintended cascading effects. For my major project, I used a custom template, and created a BaseFont style, which I never applied to any text, but based all the styles used in the custom template on, so that I didn't have to worry about the double-space in my MainText style cascading to my BlockQuote style. That worked very well, but I'm not sure you'd want to do it with Normal style. DM On 12/2/04 8:49 AM, "F A L" wrote: I am tryging to define my styles so to make them easy to modify. In particular, I would like to remove all font type definitions from all styles but for the normal style (for paragraphs styles) and the default paragraph font for character styles (I am using a Spanish version of word so I don't have the English name of this style). Then I can define all other styles as deviations of these tweo styles and that would make it easier for me to change the font of all styles. THe problem is that before realising that this was a sensible thing to do I selected specific font for other styles, such as Heading 1 and Body tex etc, and I haven't figured out a way to remove such definitions for these styles. If i go to the "modifyt style" tab and clik on "font" and simply delete the name of the font (e.g. Adobe Garamond Pro) and then click OK, the style remains unmodified. It seems that I can only change the font by selecting other font. Is there any way to make a style font-neutral? (apart, of course, of deleting the style and creating it anew, which apparently cannot be done with in-built styles anyway). -- Daiya Mitchell, MVP Mac/Word Word FAQ: http://www.word.mvps.org/ MacWord Tips: http://www.word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/ What's an MVP? A volunteer! Read the FAQ: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ |
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Dear Daiya, Thanks for your tip; it worked! You are of course right in
warning me about relying on Normal; FOr my part I deeply distrust it! Anyway, regarding character styles I have now a related but different problem: by default all char styles are based upon "Fuente de párrafo determinado", which is Spanish for (something like) "Default paragraph font". This style cannot be modified: The option "edit" (or whatever it is in the English version) is dimmed when this particular style is selected. In turn, this char style seems to be based on a non existing style, "Parrafo subrayado" (underlined paragraph: the definition of this style says: "Fuente del estilo de párrafo subrayado +", i.e. "Underlined paragraph style font"). Of course I could base other char styles on other char styles, but it is annoying not knowing what is going on: are there styles that are *so* in-built that cannot be modified? The what is the point of such styles? "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: I believe that if you set the font of the child style to the same font currently defined in the parent style (the style set as "based on), that it will wipe out the additional font definition, and next time you change the parent style, the child style will pick up the correct font. (just had to mess around with that the other day, in fact...) However, I'm not sure that redefining all your styles like that is the most efficient way, though obviously it depends on your workflow... It may be better to instead set up custom templates for specific projects. More info: http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart1.htm I'm a tad superstitious here, but for anything worth putting that much effort into, I just avoid Normal so that I don't have to worry about unintended cascading effects. For my major project, I used a custom template, and created a BaseFont style, which I never applied to any text, but based all the styles used in the custom template on, so that I didn't have to worry about the double-space in my MainText style cascading to my BlockQuote style. That worked very well, but I'm not sure you'd want to do it with Normal style. DM On 12/2/04 8:49 AM, "F A L" wrote: I am tryging to define my styles so to make them easy to modify. In particular, I would like to remove all font type definitions from all styles but for the normal style (for paragraphs styles) and the default paragraph font for character styles (I am using a Spanish version of word so I don't have the English name of this style). Then I can define all other styles as deviations of these tweo styles and that would make it easier for me to change the font of all styles. THe problem is that before realising that this was a sensible thing to do I selected specific font for other styles, such as Heading 1 and Body tex etc, and I haven't figured out a way to remove such definitions for these styles. If i go to the "modifyt style" tab and clik on "font" and simply delete the name of the font (e.g. Adobe Garamond Pro) and then click OK, the style remains unmodified. It seems that I can only change the font by selecting other font. Is there any way to make a style font-neutral? (apart, of course, of deleting the style and creating it anew, which apparently cannot be done with in-built styles anyway). -- Daiya Mitchell, MVP Mac/Word Word FAQ: http://www.word.mvps.org/ MacWord Tips: http://www.word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/ What's an MVP? A volunteer! Read the FAQ: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ |
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Glad that worked.
I'm not totally clear on your second question--are you saying you want to be able to define the Default Paragraph Font (DPF) to be a certain font? Right, I can't modify my definition there either--but what my description says is "the font of the underlying paragraph style +" which perhaps makes it a little more clear that you can't set the font for DPF because it picks up the font from the paragraph style. So that if you have character styles defined as DPF + italic or DPF + red, when you change the font for the paragraph's style, they will change as well. So I think if you leave all your character styles as DPF + then they will pick up changes to your base font. In fact, I think that means you don't need to bother basing character styles on other character styles, just leave them all based on DPF as is the default, and you will never have to change them manually, changing the para style will take care of it. However, I believe I recall Suzanne Barnhill and perhaps Cindy Meister having an expert-level discussion of some of the strange characteristics of the DPF, perhaps Suzanne will chime in. Aha! Just figured out the confusion between "underlying" and "underlined." Hope that helps, Daiya PS. Just in case it matters--it is Default Paragraph Font in the English version, but one clicks Modify to change the style. On 12/2/04 1:13 PM, "F A L" wrote: Dear Daiya, Thanks for your tip; it worked! You are of course right in warning me about relying on Normal; FOr my part I deeply distrust it! Anyway, regarding character styles I have now a related but different problem: by default all char styles are based upon "Fuente de párrafo determinado", which is Spanish for (something like) "Default paragraph font". This style cannot be modified: The option "edit" (or whatever it is in the English version) is dimmed when this particular style is selected. In turn, this char style seems to be based on a non existing style, "Parrafo subrayado" (underlined paragraph: the definition of this style says: "Fuente del estilo de párrafo subrayado +", i.e. "Underlined paragraph style font"). Of course I could base other char styles on other char styles, but it is annoying not knowing what is going on: are there styles that are *so* in-built that cannot be modified? The what is the point of such styles? |
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To clarify a little, the Default Paragraph Font is not a specific font; it
is the font that is defined for a particular paragraph style. If you create a character style, it will be defined as the Default Paragraph Font plus whatever characteristics you have given the character style, meaning that those characteristics (bold, italic, a specific font, or whatever) will be applied to the font of the paragraph. For more on this, see http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customization/DefParaFont.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "F A L" wrote in message ... Dear Daiya, Thanks for your tip; it worked! You are of course right in warning me about relying on Normal; FOr my part I deeply distrust it! Anyway, regarding character styles I have now a related but different problem: by default all char styles are based upon "Fuente de párrafo determinado", which is Spanish for (something like) "Default paragraph font". This style cannot be modified: The option "edit" (or whatever it is in the English version) is dimmed when this particular style is selected. In turn, this char style seems to be based on a non existing style, "Parrafo subrayado" (underlined paragraph: the definition of this style says: "Fuente del estilo de párrafo subrayado +", i.e. "Underlined paragraph style font"). Of course I could base other char styles on other char styles, but it is annoying not knowing what is going on: are there styles that are *so* in-built that cannot be modified? The what is the point of such styles? "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: I believe that if you set the font of the child style to the same font currently defined in the parent style (the style set as "based on), that it will wipe out the additional font definition, and next time you change the parent style, the child style will pick up the correct font. (just had to mess around with that the other day, in fact...) However, I'm not sure that redefining all your styles like that is the most efficient way, though obviously it depends on your workflow... It may be better to instead set up custom templates for specific projects. More info: http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart1.htm I'm a tad superstitious here, but for anything worth putting that much effort into, I just avoid Normal so that I don't have to worry about unintended cascading effects. For my major project, I used a custom template, and created a BaseFont style, which I never applied to any text, but based all the styles used in the custom template on, so that I didn't have to worry about the double-space in my MainText style cascading to my BlockQuote style. That worked very well, but I'm not sure you'd want to do it with Normal style. DM On 12/2/04 8:49 AM, "F A L" wrote: I am tryging to define my styles so to make them easy to modify. In particular, I would like to remove all font type definitions from all styles but for the normal style (for paragraphs styles) and the default paragraph font for character styles (I am using a Spanish version of word so I don't have the English name of this style). Then I can define all other styles as deviations of these tweo styles and that would make it easier for me to change the font of all styles. THe problem is that before realising that this was a sensible thing to do I selected specific font for other styles, such as Heading 1 and Body tex etc, and I haven't figured out a way to remove such definitions for these styles. If i go to the "modifyt style" tab and clik on "font" and simply delete the name of the font (e.g. Adobe Garamond Pro) and then click OK, the style remains unmodified. It seems that I can only change the font by selecting other font. Is there any way to make a style font-neutral? (apart, of course, of deleting the style and creating it anew, which apparently cannot be done with in-built styles anyway). -- Daiya Mitchell, MVP Mac/Word Word FAQ: http://www.word.mvps.org/ MacWord Tips: http://www.word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/ What's an MVP? A volunteer! Read the FAQ: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ |
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Thengis are clearer now: For the Spanish version of word they translated
"underlying paragraph style" as "underlined paragraph style". Suzzane's link proved very useful. Thanks! Fernando "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: Glad that worked. I'm not totally clear on your second question--are you saying you want to be able to define the Default Paragraph Font (DPF) to be a certain font? Right, I can't modify my definition there either--but what my description says is "the font of the underlying paragraph style +" which perhaps makes it a little more clear that you can't set the font for DPF because it picks up the font from the paragraph style. So that if you have character styles defined as DPF + italic or DPF + red, when you change the font for the paragraph's style, they will change as well. So I think if you leave all your character styles as DPF + then they will pick up changes to your base font. In fact, I think that means you don't need to bother basing character styles on other character styles, just leave them all based on DPF as is the default, and you will never have to change them manually, changing the para style will take care of it. However, I believe I recall Suzanne Barnhill and perhaps Cindy Meister having an expert-level discussion of some of the strange characteristics of the DPF, perhaps Suzanne will chime in. Aha! Just figured out the confusion between "underlying" and "underlined." Hope that helps, Daiya PS. Just in case it matters--it is Default Paragraph Font in the English version, but one clicks Modify to change the style. On 12/2/04 1:13 PM, "F A L" wrote: Dear Daiya, Thanks for your tip; it worked! You are of course right in warning me about relying on Normal; FOr my part I deeply distrust it! Anyway, regarding character styles I have now a related but different problem: by default all char styles are based upon "Fuente de párrafo determinado", which is Spanish for (something like) "Default paragraph font". This style cannot be modified: The option "edit" (or whatever it is in the English version) is dimmed when this particular style is selected. In turn, this char style seems to be based on a non existing style, "Parrafo subrayado" (underlined paragraph: the definition of this style says: "Fuente del estilo de párrafo subrayado +", i.e. "Underlined paragraph style font"). Of course I could base other char styles on other char styles, but it is annoying not knowing what is going on: are there styles that are *so* in-built that cannot be modified? The what is the point of such styles? |
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