I would appreciate some help on the document that I have uploaded he


http://download.yousendit.com/7D404C5467913476


After you have downloaded it here are the problems I'm having:


AndaleMono.... Select all 7 instances in the Style and Formatting Pane.

Nothing gets selected. Try to delete the AndaleMono style.... It
won't delete.


Centered.... Select all 11 instances in the Style and Formatting Pane.
Nothing gets selected. Try to delete the Centered Style. It won't
delete


Tools / Templates and Add-Ins / Organizer.... Neither AndaleMono or
Centered appear.


Headings... what is the best way to name them ? What should they be
based on ? Right now I'm basing many of them on the Normal Style.
Does not seem to work as well as when I base Body Styles on Normal. How

can I get Word to stop Renaming my Heading Styles and sticking
"Style" in front of the Heading name ?


What is the best way to name Body Styles ?


The mess in the table on page 247. I can't seem to get rid of it. Why
does Clear Formatting not do anything ? Why can't I change the Style
?


What do you think of the way I break manually between pages ? Is there
a better way ?


When I have a table that extends all the way across the page is
Preferred Width 100 Percent the way to go if I decided to change margin

sizes ?


Is sticking almost all the graphics in tables as I have done the best
way to go ?


What is the Graphic Anchor all about ? Why does it display and how do
you use it ? A comprehesive explination of the Graphic Anchor would be
appreciated.


What should graphics be attached to ?


Have any of you spent any time with Open Office Writer ? If so what do
you think of it ? What are the pros and cons of Open Office Writer ? I

know one advantage is that Open Office Writer saves .pdf.


Jon Banquer
Phoenix, Arizona

It is best to use the built-in heading styles rather than create your own;
for some reasons, see
http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...ingStyles.html

In fact, using built-in styles generally is a good idea, since it reduces
the number of styles in the document.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"jon_banquer" wrote in message
oups.com...
I would appreciate some help on the document that I have uploaded he


http://download.yousendit.com/7D404C5467913476


After you have downloaded it here are the problems I'm having:


AndaleMono.... Select all 7 instances in the Style and Formatting Pane.

Nothing gets selected. Try to delete the AndaleMono style.... It
won't delete.


Centered.... Select all 11 instances in the Style and Formatting Pane.
Nothing gets selected. Try to delete the Centered Style. It won't
delete


Tools / Templates and Add-Ins / Organizer.... Neither AndaleMono or
Centered appear.


Headings... what is the best way to name them ? What should they be
based on ? Right now I'm basing many of them on the Normal Style.
Does not seem to work as well as when I base Body Styles on Normal. How

can I get Word to stop Renaming my Heading Styles and sticking
"Style" in front of the Heading name ?


What is the best way to name Body Styles ?


The mess in the table on page 247. I can't seem to get rid of it. Why
does Clear Formatting not do anything ? Why can't I change the Style
?


What do you think of the way I break manually between pages ? Is there
a better way ?


When I have a table that extends all the way across the page is
Preferred Width 100 Percent the way to go if I decided to change margin

sizes ?


Is sticking almost all the graphics in tables as I have done the best
way to go ?


What is the Graphic Anchor all about ? Why does it display and how do
you use it ? A comprehesive explination of the Graphic Anchor would be
appreciated.


What should graphics be attached to ?


Have any of you spent any time with Open Office Writer ? If so what do
you think of it ? What are the pros and cons of Open Office Writer ? I

know one advantage is that Open Office Writer saves .pdf.


Jon Banquer
Phoenix, Arizona

Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
It is best to use the built-in heading styles rather than create your own;
for some reasons, see
http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...ingStyles.html

In fact, using built-in styles generally is a good idea, since it reduces
the number of styles in the document.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.


How about downloading and looking at the document I posted ? When you
do you will see that I *did use* Words built in Headings !

What happens when you use Words built in Heading Styles but need say a
space of 6 before, or say 6 before and 6 after, or just 6 after, etc ?

I'm really looking for much more complete answers then you have
provided.

Perhaps you can download the document like I asked and try again with
some advise that I can put to good use ?

Thanks,

Jon Banquer
Phoenix, Arizona

Hi jon

jon_banquer wrote:
How about downloading and looking at the document I posted ? When you
do you will see that I *did use* Words built in Headings !

Then I don't understand why are you asking about how to _name_ them?


What happens when you use Words built in Heading Styles but need say a
space of 6 before, or say 6 before and 6 after, or just 6 after, etc ?

Use the built-in styles, but change them to your liking.

A good and pretty comprehensive primer which answer many of your
questions can be found at:

Creating a Template (Part II, by John McGhie)
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...platePart2.htm

If you follow that while creating your template and subsequent document,
you won't have problems with stray formatting anymore, either.


Perhaps you can download the document like I asked and try again with
some advise that I can put to good use ?

Perhaps I can, but not anymore today (and not on a productive machine,
sorry -- you've heard about macro-viruses ;-)).

HTH
Robert
--
/"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | MS
\ / | MVP
X Against HTML | for
/ \ in e-mail & news | Word

Robert M. Franz (RMF) wrote:
Hi jon

jon_banquer wrote:
How about downloading and looking at the document I posted ? When you
do you will see that I *did use* Words built in Headings !

Then I don't understand why are you asking about how to _name_ them?


What happens when you use Words built in Heading Styles but need say a
space of 6 before, or say 6 before and 6 after, or just 6 after, etc ?

Use the built-in styles, but change them to your liking.

A good and pretty comprehensive primer which answer many of your
questions can be found at:

Creating a Template (Part II, by John McGhie)
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...platePart2.htm

If you follow that while creating your template and subsequent document,
you won't have problems with stray formatting anymore, either.


Perhaps you can download the document like I asked and try again with
some advise that I can put to good use ?

Perhaps I can, but not anymore today (and not on a productive machine,
sorry -- you've heard about macro-viruses ;-)).

HTH
Robert
--
/"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | MS
\ / | MVP
X Against HTML | for
/ \ in e-mail & news | Word


Use the built-in styles, but change them to your liking.

Please be more specific. How do I name Heading Styles and make Word
happy ?

Example:

How would I name a Heading 2 Style that has a space of 6 before and 6
after so that Word is happy and doesn't change the name? What do you
suggest I base this Heading 2 Style on and what should I use for the
following paragraph when the following paragraphs are different thru
out the document ?

Perhaps I can, but not anymore today (and not on a productive machine,
sorry -- you've heard about macro-viruses ;-)).

Is it my imagination or are Microsoft users very fearful of the
applications that Microsoft makes ?

I gotta tell you I'm not very impressed with MS Word so far for long
documents and desktop publishing.

Jon Banquer
Phoenix, Arizona

I think you still don't understand. You don't create a new level 2 style
based on Heading 2 (or anything else). You use the built-in Heading 2 style
modified to suit your purposes. If you want Heading 2 to have 6 pts Space
Before and After, then modify it accordingly.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"jon_banquer" wrote in message
ups.com...
Robert M. Franz (RMF) wrote:
Hi jon

jon_banquer wrote:
How about downloading and looking at the document I posted ? When you
do you will see that I *did use* Words built in Headings !

Then I don't understand why are you asking about how to _name_ them?


What happens when you use Words built in Heading Styles but need say a
space of 6 before, or say 6 before and 6 after, or just 6 after, etc ?

Use the built-in styles, but change them to your liking.

A good and pretty comprehensive primer which answer many of your
questions can be found at:

Creating a Template (Part II, by John McGhie)
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...platePart2.htm

If you follow that while creating your template and subsequent document,
you won't have problems with stray formatting anymore, either.


Perhaps you can download the document like I asked and try again with
some advise that I can put to good use ?

Perhaps I can, but not anymore today (and not on a productive machine,
sorry -- you've heard about macro-viruses ;-)).

HTH
Robert
--
/"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | MS
\ / | MVP
X Against HTML | for
/ \ in e-mail & news | Word


Use the built-in styles, but change them to your liking.

Please be more specific. How do I name Heading Styles and make Word
happy ?

Example:

How would I name a Heading 2 Style that has a space of 6 before and 6
after so that Word is happy and doesn't change the name? What do you
suggest I base this Heading 2 Style on and what should I use for the
following paragraph when the following paragraphs are different thru
out the document ?

Perhaps I can, but not anymore today (and not on a productive machine,
sorry -- you've heard about macro-viruses ;-)).

Is it my imagination or are Microsoft users very fearful of the
applications that Microsoft makes ?

I gotta tell you I'm not very impressed with MS Word so far for long
documents and desktop publishing.

Jon Banquer
Phoenix, Arizona

Is there something wrong with "Heading 2" ?
.... or ...
"Heading 2,h2,myname"
?
You can add names or shortcuts or abbreviations to the names of any of the
built-in styles by adding them, preceded by commas, in the Modify Style
dialog.
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Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!

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"jon_banquer" wrote in message
ups.com...
Robert M. Franz (RMF) wrote:
Hi jon

jon_banquer wrote:
How about downloading and looking at the document I posted ? When you
do you will see that I *did use* Words built in Headings !

Then I don't understand why are you asking about how to _name_ them?


What happens when you use Words built in Heading Styles but need say a
space of 6 before, or say 6 before and 6 after, or just 6 after, etc ?

Use the built-in styles, but change them to your liking.

A good and pretty comprehensive primer which answer many of your
questions can be found at:

Creating a Template (Part II, by John McGhie)
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...platePart2.htm

If you follow that while creating your template and subsequent document,
you won't have problems with stray formatting anymore, either.


Perhaps you can download the document like I asked and try again with
some advise that I can put to good use ?

Perhaps I can, but not anymore today (and not on a productive machine,
sorry -- you've heard about macro-viruses ;-)).

HTH
Robert
--
/"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | MS
\ / | MVP
X Against HTML | for
/ \ in e-mail & news | Word


Use the built-in styles, but change them to your liking.

Please be more specific. How do I name Heading Styles and make Word
happy ?

Example:

How would I name a Heading 2 Style that has a space of 6 before and 6
after so that Word is happy and doesn't change the name? What do you
suggest I base this Heading 2 Style on and what should I use for the
following paragraph when the following paragraphs are different thru
out the document ?

Perhaps I can, but not anymore today (and not on a productive machine,
sorry -- you've heard about macro-viruses ;-)).

Is it my imagination or are Microsoft users very fearful of the
applications that Microsoft makes ?

I gotta tell you I'm not very impressed with MS Word so far for long
documents and desktop publishing.

Jon Banquer
Phoenix, Arizona

Hi jon

jon_banquer wrote:
A good and pretty comprehensive primer which answer many of your
questions can be found at:

Creating a Template (Part II, by John McGhie)
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...platePart2.htm

If you follow that while creating your template and subsequent document,
you won't have problems with stray formatting anymore, either.
[..]
Use the built-in styles, but change them to your liking.

Please be more specific. How do I name Heading Styles and make Word
happy ?

I repeat: you don't! (Or: I would not.)

In the mean time, curiosity got the better of me, and I actually did
download your document. As others have stated in this thread: you might
have mentioned its size when posting -- and you might also have stripped
it down to a sensible size for us to download!

The document looks at least structered in the sense that styles have
been used in favour of direct formatting. There are, however, empty
paragraphs every other page (well, I didn't look too far into the
document, to be honest) -- that's something which is a no-no in any long
document.

Plus: you have way too many styles to describe _structure_, i.e. a
handful of Heading 2 and Heading 3 styles each, w/ and w/o 6pt spacing
before/after etc. I would never do that. The style name should (try to)
describe what a paragraph is, and the definition of the style should
determine how the paragraph is supposed to look. But you do not want
more than one "Heading 2 style" (at least not when your headings are
unnumbered). So, before we go any further: Why do you think you need 3
different styles with different formatting, if all instances really are
headings of the 2nd or 3rd hierarchy?

I intentionally did not delete the above article in this post, so I
really urge you: read it.


Example:

How would I name a Heading 2 Style that has a space of 6 before and 6
after so that Word is happy and doesn't change the name? What do you
suggest I base this Heading 2 Style on and what should I use for the
following paragraph when the following paragraphs are different thru
out the document ?

I would simply _not_ define more than one Heading 2 style. More to
spacing before/above at the bottom of this post.

The definition of follow-up style is a property that helps the writer,
i.e., when you are in a paragraph of this style, and you hit Return,
then the new paragraph has this follow-up style set. It really is only a
setting that kicks-in in this very Return. Afterwards, the writer may
decide to reassign a different style, and the follow-up of the above
paragraph will never be re-evaluated.

When I decide on a styleset for a new type of document, today more than
ever, I ask myself: how many styles do I really need? Take as many as
absolutely needed, as few as possible.


Is it my imagination or are Microsoft users very fearful of the
applications that Microsoft makes ?

[out-of-context error] Sorry, you lost me there. :-)

Or are you saying that there is the possibility to name styles and folks
are not using them enough? Maybe so. Especially when dealing with long
documents, in time one usually tends to think in "CSS terms": the
document creator should focus an writing content and needs to define
_what_ a certain paragraph is (bodytext, heading x, etc.). The template
creator needs to specify how a certain type of paragraph should look
like. And if this guy specifies 30 styles instead of 10, then the writer
will probably either kick his behinds or only use a fraction of the styles.

[Besides, I shudder to think what would happen if people really used up
all features there are in Word ;-)]


I gotta tell you I'm not very impressed with MS Word so far for long
documents and desktop publishing.

Well, Microsoft (not even marketing, I'd wager) doesn't pretend that
Word is a DTP application. You can try to use it as one, but you will
always get poorer results than with, say, LaTeX or Indesign.

But if you learn to use Word professionally, you will reach maybe 80-90%
of the overall "quality" (though who would really be able to measure
that ...) of the above products. The question is, whether you will find
anyone to be willing to pay for the top 10-20%.

Now, if you *do* work in Word, and end up having to do the finish on
such a well-structured document (making it ready for PrePress, for
instance), then and only then can you think about deviating from your
styleset. For instance, if you really invest a lot in this document, you
might turn off automatic hyphenation and apply hyphenation manually (and
sparingly) throughout the document. You might change a spacing before or
after in some paragraph or other, but _very_ sparingly. I would, *in
this case only*, use direct formatting -- simply beceause it's very easy
to strip it out for the second edition of the next printing. But more
likely than spacing before/after I'd set one of the properties in the
2nd tab of Format | Paragraph, to force one para to a new page ("Keep
with next", "Keep lines togehter", etc.).

YMMV
Robert
--
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\ / | MVP
X Against HTML | for
/ \ in e-mail & news | Word

jon_banquer wrote:
I would appreciate some help on the document that I have uploaded he


http://download.yousendit.com/7D404C5467913476


After you have downloaded it here are the problems I'm having:


Download a 22 MB file without any warning that it's going to be that
big? You're asking a lot of bandwidth, patience and macrovirus risk.
Surely you could at least post a cut-down document to illustrate your point.

Headings... what is the best way to name them ?

Use the inbuilt heading system, and keep the default names.

Have any of you spent any time with Open Office Writer ? If so what do
you think of it ? What are the pros and cons of Open Office Writer ? I
know one advantage is that Open Office Writer saves .pdf.

So does Word and everything else, if you set up a pdf printer. There
are lots of them out there that can be downloaded without much
difficulty. My preference is to combine Ghostscript with RedMon.

See inline comments,

anon k wrote:
jon_banquer wrote:
I would appreciate some help on the document that I have uploaded he


http://download.yousendit.com/7D404C5467913476


After you have downloaded it here are the problems I'm having:


Download a 22 MB file without any warning that it's going to be that
big? You're asking a lot of bandwidth, patience and macrovirus risk.
Surely you could at least post a cut-down document to illustrate your point.

You want me to use Camtasia and do a video and post it ? The file will
probably be larger but at least you won't have any chance of getting a
Word virus. I don't think 22 megs is really that big in todays world
unless your on AOL / dialup.

Headings... what is the best way to name them ?

Use the inbuilt heading system, and keep the default names.

How do you do that when you have numerous instances of say Heading 2 ?
Heading 2 with 6 before. Heading 2 with 6 after. Heading 2 with ....

Have any of you spent any time with Open Office Writer ? If so what do
you think of it ? What are the pros and cons of Open Office Writer ? I
know one advantage is that Open Office Writer saves .pdf.

So does Word and everything else, if you set up a pdf printer. There
are lots of them out there that can be downloaded without much
difficulty. My preference is to combine Ghostscript with RedMon.

Jon Banquer
Phoenix, Arizona

jon_banquer wrote:
See inline comments,

anon k wrote:

jon_banquer wrote:

I would appreciate some help on the document that I have uploaded he


http://download.yousendit.com/7D404C5467913476


After you have downloaded it here are the problems I'm having:


Download a 22 MB file without any warning that it's going to be that
big? You're asking a lot of bandwidth, patience and macrovirus risk.
Surely you could at least post a cut-down document to illustrate your point.


You want me to use Camtasia and do a video and post it ? The file will
probably be larger but at least you won't have any chance of getting a
Word virus. I don't think 22 megs is really that big in todays world
unless your on AOL / dialup.

A short document will suffice. 22 megs is a big file for many of us
regardless of what ISP we're using. You're sending vast quantities of
unnecessary data and asking us to sift through it to find your problems.
I don't see why anyone here should isolate your problems for you.

Your sarcastic suggestion about Camtasia really doesn't help your
situation. Nor does your diversionary tactic (in your other post) about
people being scared of MS software. It's your document that we don't
trust. By sending the entire thing, and then asking US to isolate all
of your problems from the surrounding data, you're coming across as
lazy, unreasonably demanding, and unappreciative. Your poor spelling,
punctuation and grammar only bolster that appearance.

Headings... what is the best way to name them ?

Use the inbuilt heading system, and keep the default names.


How do you do that when you have numerous instances of say Heading 2 ?
Heading 2 with 6 before. Heading 2 with 6 after. Heading 2 with ....

If you want to control the text like that, then you don't want to use
hierarchical styles at all. Styles are for consistency and to emulate
traditional typesetting. You're asking for inconsistency which, in
traditional typesetting, is simply not done.

That said, you can modify each heading separately. You can also create
custom styles based on heading styles and name them "spaced heading 6pt
before" and so on.

As for your other comment about Word being unsuitable for desktop
publishing, why use it if you want a desktop publisher? Word is a word
processor, not a desktop publisher, so of course it's not going to serve
as a desktop publisher. It doesn't even do a good job of justification
and footnote text flow!

If desktop publishing is what you want, you could switch to FrameMaker,
PageMaker, TeX or MSPublisher. Each has different strengths and weaknesses.

anon k wrote:
jon_banquer wrote:
See inline comments,

anon k wrote:

jon_banquer wrote:

I would appreciate some help on the document that I have uploaded he


http://download.yousendit.com/7D404C5467913476


After you have downloaded it here are the problems I'm having:


Download a 22 MB file without any warning that it's going to be that
big? You're asking a lot of bandwidth, patience and macrovirus risk.
Surely you could at least post a cut-down document to illustrate your point.


You want me to use Camtasia and do a video and post it ? The file will
probably be larger but at least you won't have any chance of getting a
Word virus. I don't think 22 megs is really that big in todays world
unless your on AOL / dialup.

A short document will suffice. 22 megs is a big file for many of us
regardless of what ISP we're using. You're sending vast quantities of
unnecessary data and asking us to sift through it to find your problems.
I don't see why anyone here should isolate your problems for you.

Your sarcastic suggestion about Camtasia really doesn't help your
situation. Nor does your diversionary tactic (in your other post) about
people being scared of MS software. It's your document that we don't
trust. By sending the entire thing, and then asking US to isolate all
of your problems from the surrounding data, you're coming across as
lazy, unreasonably demanding, and unappreciative. Your poor spelling,
punctuation and grammar only bolster that appearance.

Headings... what is the best way to name them ?

Use the inbuilt heading system, and keep the default names.


How do you do that when you have numerous instances of say Heading 2 ?
Heading 2 with 6 before. Heading 2 with 6 after. Heading 2 with ....

If you want to control the text like that, then you don't want to use
hierarchical styles at all. Styles are for consistency and to emulate
traditional typesetting. You're asking for inconsistency which, in
traditional typesetting, is simply not done.

That said, you can modify each heading separately. You can also create
custom styles based on heading styles and name them "spaced heading 6pt
before" and so on.

As for your other comment about Word being unsuitable for desktop
publishing, why use it if you want a desktop publisher? Word is a word
processor, not a desktop publisher, so of course it's not going to serve
as a desktop publisher. It doesn't even do a good job of justification
and footnote text flow!

If desktop publishing is what you want, you could switch to FrameMaker,
PageMaker, TeX or MSPublisher. Each has different strengths and weaknesses.


"Your sarcastic suggestion about Camtasia really doesn't help your
situation."

I note that you have again rejected an alternative suggestion to qualm
your high level of fear about MS Word viruses and what you claim is a
large download.

"Nor does your diversionary tactic (in your other post) about people
being scared of MS software."

Seems to me the diversionary tactic is what you are using because your
not about to make the time to look at what I posted. That's fine. Why
not just shut up then and let those who care enough and who want to
help, help.

"If you want to control the text like that, then you don't want to use
hierarchical styles at all. Styles are for consistency and to emulate
traditional typesetting. You're asking for inconsistency which, in
traditional typesetting, is simply not done."

So what do you suggest I do to get the consistent formating I need ? If
your going to make a statement like this then back it up with specific
suggestions based on the document I posted otherwise you come across as
"unreasonably demanding, and unappreciative."

Your poor understanding of the subject matter that I posted shows that
you have to focus on punctuation and grammar rather then on content.

Jon Banquer
Phoenix, Arizona