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Paragraph Spacing (Before and After)---Exactly
I am trying to figure out how much spacing is used for paragraph
changes. If I have a paragraph style S, that is 12 pt. font and spacing is set to EXACTLY 14 pt. and paragraph style D that is set to EXACTLY 24 pt with a 12 pt font as well. And I type DDDDD DDDDD SSSS SSSS DDDD DDDD There is a spacing between D to S and a spacing between S to D. How can I set S's Before and After to get an exact spacing of 12 pt. in those gaps? In other words, what spacing is Word using in such a situation and what do I need to get to it to get my spacing? |
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Paragraph Spacing (Before and After)---Exactly
When you set "Exactly" spacing, you are adding to (or sometimes reducing)
the amount of leading that is built into the font. This varies from one font to another based on its design. For Times New Roman, "single" spacing is approximately 120% of the nominal point size, so 10-pt TNR is (approximately) 12 pts baseline to baseline. When you increase the spacing by using Multiple or Exact spacing, you add space above, below, or both. In Multiple spacing (such as double spacing), the extra space is added below the text. In Exactly spacing, the excess is added above unless you enable the Compatibility Option "Don't center 'exact line height' lines." This is a bit misleading, since they aren't vertically centered to begin with, but this does at least make them more compatible with Multiple spacing. Your 14-pt spacing may well be a little less than the default Single spacing, so it's not adding anything. The 24-point spacing is adding 10 points more than the 14-pt (and probably adding less than 10 points compared to Single), so if you wanted 12 pts space, you'd probably need to add at least 2 pts Spacing Before to D or Spacing After to S. Note that if you add both Spacing Before and Spacing After, when the two meet, only the larger amount will be used (they will not be combined) unless you check the Compatibility Option for "Don't use HTML paragraph auto spacing." -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org wrote in message ... I am trying to figure out how much spacing is used for paragraph changes. If I have a paragraph style S, that is 12 pt. font and spacing is set to EXACTLY 14 pt. and paragraph style D that is set to EXACTLY 24 pt with a 12 pt font as well. And I type DDDDD DDDDD SSSS SSSS DDDD DDDD There is a spacing between D to S and a spacing between S to D. How can I set S's Before and After to get an exact spacing of 12 pt. in those gaps? In other words, what spacing is Word using in such a situation and what do I need to get to it to get my spacing? |
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Paragraph Spacing (Before and After)---Exactly
One way would be to set both styles to "exactly 14 pt" leading, and do the
10 pt larger spacing in the "D" style with 5 pt before and 5 pt after. As Suzanne said, the leading is usually about 120% of the font size. Since you're setting the leading to "exactly", that doesn't matter though. If you want to do calculations, you'd need the height of upper case characters (about 70% of the font size, depending on the font) and lower case letters (about 55% of the font size). Regards, Klaus |
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Paragraph Spacing (Before and After)---Exactly
BTW, if you really plan to name your styles "S(ingle)" and "D(ouble)", you
might reconsider setting them to 14 pt leading and 24 pt leading. It might be confusing later when "Double" isn't double the line spacing. Klaus |
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Good catch, Klaus. It didn't even occur to me that S and D might stand for
"single" and "double." -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Klaus Linke" wrote in message ... BTW, if you really plan to name your styles "S(ingle)" and "D(ouble)", you might reconsider setting them to 14 pt leading and 24 pt leading. It might be confusing later when "Double" isn't double the line spacing. Klaus |
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Paragraph Spacing (Before and After)---Exactly
Maybe let me rephrase. Yes, I was using S and D to stand for single
and double. Would not be the style names. Suppose have D which I set up for 12 pt font with 24 spacing. (12 pt leading after) Suppose I have S which I set up for 12 pt with 14 spacing (2 pt leading) If I have D paragraph followed by S paragraph followed by D paragraph, how can I figure out what spacing will give exactly 12 pt between the S and D paragraphs???? If I make the fonts [say] 14 pt with 28 spacing for D 12 point with 16 spacing for S Now how much space do I need to have exactly 14 pt between D and S? In other Words, how much space is Word putting between paragraphs when the paragraph changes? Knowing that, I can figure out how much to add. Dealing with government rules that need exact spacing where double spaced transtions to single and back to double. Specs call for 2 pt leading (for font sizes of 11, 12, 13 and 14) which is bit less than the page layout software 120%. Word appanertly uses the internal leading of the font, so some font font leadings at 12 pt turn out less than 2 pt. The double always turns out to be more than 2xfont height. |
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If you're required to have 2 points leading, then 14-pt spacing is what you
have to have, but if double spacing is supposed to be double that, then you need to use 28 pts instead of 24. But what we've been trying to get across is that there is no way you can ensure exactly 12 points space between the actual text characters except by trial and error and measuring. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org wrote in message ... Maybe let me rephrase. Yes, I was using S and D to stand for single and double. Would not be the style names. Suppose have D which I set up for 12 pt font with 24 spacing. (12 pt leading after) Suppose I have S which I set up for 12 pt with 14 spacing (2 pt leading) If I have D paragraph followed by S paragraph followed by D paragraph, how can I figure out what spacing will give exactly 12 pt between the S and D paragraphs???? If I make the fonts [say] 14 pt with 28 spacing for D 12 point with 16 spacing for S Now how much space do I need to have exactly 14 pt between D and S? In other Words, how much space is Word putting between paragraphs when the paragraph changes? Knowing that, I can figure out how much to add. Dealing with government rules that need exact spacing where double spaced transtions to single and back to double. Specs call for 2 pt leading (for font sizes of 11, 12, 13 and 14) which is bit less than the page layout software 120%. Word appanertly uses the internal leading of the font, so some font font leadings at 12 pt turn out less than 2 pt. The double always turns out to be more than 2xfont height. |
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....especially as EVERY printer is different and what may look perfect on
your printer may be totally wrong on another printer. Can you tell us why the spacing has to be so meticulously spaced? Ordinarily, if Word is set to give Space After set to At Least x pt and Space Before is set to zero, the text looks evenly spaced. However, most cryptographers would state that for ease of reading, the lines are far too close. For a 12 pt font, At Least 16 pt is far easier to read on a whole page of text (depending on the font in question). -- Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If you're required to have 2 points leading, then 14-pt spacing is what you have to have, but if double spacing is supposed to be double that, then you need to use 28 pts instead of 24. But what we've been trying to get across is that there is no way you can ensure exactly 12 points space between the actual text characters except by trial and error and measuring. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org wrote in message ... Maybe let me rephrase. Yes, I was using S and D to stand for single and double. Would not be the style names. Suppose have D which I set up for 12 pt font with 24 spacing. (12 pt leading after) Suppose I have S which I set up for 12 pt with 14 spacing (2 pt leading) If I have D paragraph followed by S paragraph followed by D paragraph, how can I figure out what spacing will give exactly 12 pt between the S and D paragraphs???? If I make the fonts [say] 14 pt with 28 spacing for D 12 point with 16 spacing for S Now how much space do I need to have exactly 14 pt between D and S? In other Words, how much space is Word putting between paragraphs when the paragraph changes? Knowing that, I can figure out how much to add. Dealing with government rules that need exact spacing where double spaced transtions to single and back to double. Specs call for 2 pt leading (for font sizes of 11, 12, 13 and 14) which is bit less than the page layout software 120%. Word appanertly uses the internal leading of the font, so some font font leadings at 12 pt turn out less than 2 pt. The double always turns out to be more than 2xfont height. |
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Can you tell us why the spacing has to be so meticulously spaced?
He's told us why: GOVERNMENT RULES! -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... ...especially as EVERY printer is different and what may look perfect on your printer may be totally wrong on another printer. Can you tell us why the spacing has to be so meticulously spaced? Ordinarily, if Word is set to give Space After set to At Least x pt and Space Before is set to zero, the text looks evenly spaced. However, most cryptographers would state that for ease of reading, the lines are far too close. For a 12 pt font, At Least 16 pt is far easier to read on a whole page of text (depending on the font in question). -- Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If you're required to have 2 points leading, then 14-pt spacing is what you have to have, but if double spacing is supposed to be double that, then you need to use 28 pts instead of 24. But what we've been trying to get across is that there is no way you can ensure exactly 12 points space between the actual text characters except by trial and error and measuring. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org wrote in message ... Maybe let me rephrase. Yes, I was using S and D to stand for single and double. Would not be the style names. Suppose have D which I set up for 12 pt font with 24 spacing. (12 pt leading after) Suppose I have S which I set up for 12 pt with 14 spacing (2 pt leading) If I have D paragraph followed by S paragraph followed by D paragraph, how can I figure out what spacing will give exactly 12 pt between the S and D paragraphs???? If I make the fonts [say] 14 pt with 28 spacing for D 12 point with 16 spacing for S Now how much space do I need to have exactly 14 pt between D and S? In other Words, how much space is Word putting between paragraphs when the paragraph changes? Knowing that, I can figure out how much to add. Dealing with government rules that need exact spacing where double spaced transtions to single and back to double. Specs call for 2 pt leading (for font sizes of 11, 12, 13 and 14) which is bit less than the page layout software 120%. Word appanertly uses the internal leading of the font, so some font font leadings at 12 pt turn out less than 2 pt. The double always turns out to be more than 2xfont height. |
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Ah! Government rules; a very familiar problem usually caused by promoting a
useless, unqualified civil servant into a position of power wielded without thought or understanding. Terry "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Can you tell us why the spacing has to be so meticulously spaced? He's told us why: GOVERNMENT RULES! -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... ...especially as EVERY printer is different and what may look perfect on your printer may be totally wrong on another printer. Can you tell us why the spacing has to be so meticulously spaced? Ordinarily, if Word is set to give Space After set to At Least x pt and Space Before is set to zero, the text looks evenly spaced. However, most cryptographers would state that for ease of reading, the lines are far too close. For a 12 pt font, At Least 16 pt is far easier to read on a whole page of text (depending on the font in question). -- Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If you're required to have 2 points leading, then 14-pt spacing is what you have to have, but if double spacing is supposed to be double that, then you need to use 28 pts instead of 24. But what we've been trying to get across is that there is no way you can ensure exactly 12 points space between the actual text characters except by trial and error and measuring. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org wrote in message ... Maybe let me rephrase. Yes, I was using S and D to stand for single and double. Would not be the style names. Suppose have D which I set up for 12 pt font with 24 spacing. (12 pt leading after) Suppose I have S which I set up for 12 pt with 14 spacing (2 pt leading) If I have D paragraph followed by S paragraph followed by D paragraph, how can I figure out what spacing will give exactly 12 pt between the S and D paragraphs???? If I make the fonts [say] 14 pt with 28 spacing for D 12 point with 16 spacing for S Now how much space do I need to have exactly 14 pt between D and S? In other Words, how much space is Word putting between paragraphs when the paragraph changes? Knowing that, I can figure out how much to add. Dealing with government rules that need exact spacing where double spaced transtions to single and back to double. Specs call for 2 pt leading (for font sizes of 11, 12, 13 and 14) which is bit less than the page layout software 120%. Word appanertly uses the internal leading of the font, so some font font leadings at 12 pt turn out less than 2 pt. The double always turns out to be more than 2xfont height. |
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....or knowledge of the limitations of Word.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... Ah! Government rules; a very familiar problem usually caused by promoting a useless, unqualified civil servant into a position of power wielded without thought or understanding. Terry "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Can you tell us why the spacing has to be so meticulously spaced? He's told us why: GOVERNMENT RULES! -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... ...especially as EVERY printer is different and what may look perfect on your printer may be totally wrong on another printer. Can you tell us why the spacing has to be so meticulously spaced? Ordinarily, if Word is set to give Space After set to At Least x pt and Space Before is set to zero, the text looks evenly spaced. However, most cryptographers would state that for ease of reading, the lines are far too close. For a 12 pt font, At Least 16 pt is far easier to read on a whole page of text (depending on the font in question). -- Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If you're required to have 2 points leading, then 14-pt spacing is what you have to have, but if double spacing is supposed to be double that, then you need to use 28 pts instead of 24. But what we've been trying to get across is that there is no way you can ensure exactly 12 points space between the actual text characters except by trial and error and measuring. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org wrote in message ... Maybe let me rephrase. Yes, I was using S and D to stand for single and double. Would not be the style names. Suppose have D which I set up for 12 pt font with 24 spacing. (12 pt leading after) Suppose I have S which I set up for 12 pt with 14 spacing (2 pt leading) If I have D paragraph followed by S paragraph followed by D paragraph, how can I figure out what spacing will give exactly 12 pt between the S and D paragraphs???? If I make the fonts [say] 14 pt with 28 spacing for D 12 point with 16 spacing for S Now how much space do I need to have exactly 14 pt between D and S? In other Words, how much space is Word putting between paragraphs when the paragraph changes? Knowing that, I can figure out how much to add. Dealing with government rules that need exact spacing where double spaced transtions to single and back to double. Specs call for 2 pt leading (for font sizes of 11, 12, 13 and 14) which is bit less than the page layout software 120%. Word appanertly uses the internal leading of the font, so some font font leadings at 12 pt turn out less than 2 pt. The double always turns out to be more than 2xfont height. |
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