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Word & WordPerfect
I've been using Word for 12 years (currently 2003), now must install my OEM
WordPerfect 11 and use for transcription. I want to continue using Word for my current clients, but want to learn WordPerfect enough to function adequately to serve a prospective new client. I realize this is a Word board, but after doing some reading, I've found that many here use both programs as well. Anyone have any insight for me as I jump into learning a totally different word processing program? If you know of any good help sites, I would appreciate it. I have been to several -- Corel's and WP Universe -- and they were geared more towards long-time users as opposed to a newbie like myself. I've ordered the "dummies" book from the library for at least some form of reference as well. TIA for any assistance. |
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Well, it's sort of a backwards approach, but you might look at
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/WordVsWordPerfect.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "MrsMac" wrote in message ... I've been using Word for 12 years (currently 2003), now must install my OEM WordPerfect 11 and use for transcription. I want to continue using Word for my current clients, but want to learn WordPerfect enough to function adequately to serve a prospective new client. I realize this is a Word board, but after doing some reading, I've found that many here use both programs as well. Anyone have any insight for me as I jump into learning a totally different word processing program? If you know of any good help sites, I would appreciate it. I have been to several -- Corel's and WP Universe -- and they were geared more towards long-time users as opposed to a newbie like myself. I've ordered the "dummies" book from the library for at least some form of reference as well. TIA for any assistance. |
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The secret to operating WordPerfect is "Reveal Codes". You can view all the
typesetting and formatting codes to help you figure out why something isn't working. I wish Word had this ability but apparently they are programmed completely differently. The only way to learn a software is to use it regularly, so good luck. "MrsMac" wrote: I've been using Word for 12 years (currently 2003), now must install my OEM WordPerfect 11 and use for transcription. I want to continue using Word for my current clients, but want to learn WordPerfect enough to function adequately to serve a prospective new client. I realize this is a Word board, but after doing some reading, I've found that many here use both programs as well. Anyone have any insight for me as I jump into learning a totally different word processing program? If you know of any good help sites, I would appreciate it. I have been to several -- Corel's and WP Universe -- and they were geared more towards long-time users as opposed to a newbie like myself. I've ordered the "dummies" book from the library for at least some form of reference as well. TIA for any assistance. |
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Word & WordPerfect
If you are going to be using it regularly, accept that they are different
programs and plan on spending some time learning WP. What follows is advice I give people coming the other way, but much of it will apply. Where I have something specific for you, I've preceded it with two asterisks. ** Here is some general info on moving from Word Perfect to Word: Word and Word Perfect work very differently from one another. Each program's methods have strengths and weaknesses; but, if you try to use one of these programs as if it were the other, it is like pushing on a string! You can easily make a lot of extra work for yourself. In the (short) long term (weeks rather than years) spending the time to learn Word will save you time if you are spending any time at all (more than an hour a day) using Word. See http://www.addbalance.com/word/wordperfect.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...ordPerfect.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...AndGotchas.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...Converters.htm http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/conc...ion/index.html for information on Word for Word Perfect users. For mo http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart2.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart1.htm http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/templates.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Number...gExplained.htm http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...latesStore.htm Function Keys ** learn the WP function keys In Word 2000 (or later) You can get the function keys to display in a special toolbar at the bottom of the screen if you want (something like pressing F3 twice in WP). The following macro will do this. Sub ShowMeFunctionKeys() Commandbars("Function Key Display").Visible = True End Sub Word's Extend key (F8) gives something similar to block processing. Formatting and Styles Learn about Styles - really learn! http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm I resisted for years and now regret every day of those years because although that string was still very hard to push, it kept getting longer and longer, and had some very important projects tied to it! Once you understand styles and the Word concept of organizing things into Chinese boxes everything falls into place and instead of pushing a string, you can push a button that turns on the very powerful text processing machine known as Microsoft Word and it will start doing your work for you instead of running around behind you trying to undo what you just thought you did. ** WP has styles, but they are different in how they work and not as central to how the program works. Converting documents Word / Word Perfect Some special characters in Word Perfect documents don't convert well to Word. There is a macro to assist with this described at http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/...html#macroword and can be found at http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/WPSymbolConv.bas. This was prepared by Edward Mendelson. Otherwise, look at the macro from http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=212396 Use these on _copies_! As for converting documents from Word Perfect to _use_ in Word... In a word, don't plan on it. I would not recommend using converted documents long-term. They will be filled with formatting anomolies that will get you at the worst time. This is especially true of any documents containing automatic numbering or bullets. Try recreating form documents in Word using the following process: In Word Perfect (if you still have it, in Word if not) save your files as text files. Use your converted files as references to show you how you want your formatting to look. Create a new document in Word and insert the text from the text file. Save this new document as a Word template. Format it the way you want using styles, not direct formatting. Save it again. To use a template within Word, use File = New and pick your template. This will create a new document for you. Merge documents have special problems and should be recreated from text files or retyped in Word. To convert data files, consider generating labels in WP as a document, converting that to Word, and then using http://www.gmayor.com/convert_labels...mail_merge.htm to get a new Word data file. Note that conversions usually do create documents that look passable and print OK; the problems I'm referring to have to do with editing / making changes, that is, using the documents long-term. (See below on reusing documents vs. using templates.) Conversion back to Word Perfect: There is a problem (in addition to the ones mentioned for conversion _to_ Word) with Version 2002 (XP) and later of Word. The conversion file only works for conversion _to_ Word, not from Word to Word Perfect! Earlier versions went both ways. To fix this, you need to find the old conversion file WPFT532.CNV from a Word 97 or Word 2000 installation and copy it to your new installation, replacing the file of the same name. Note, the change making the file one-way was done as a security measure. While I don't know of any problems the old file causes, keep the new installation's file somewhere as a backup just in case. ** Don't plan on converting back and forth. Copy and paste unformatted text and reformat in the new program. Boilerplate and Forms In WP a lot of people use macros to hold chunks of text - boilerplate. In Word this function is filled by Templates, AutoText and AutoCorrect, not macros. Follow the links at http://addbalance.com/word/wordwebre...s.htm#AutoText for more information on these tools. You can use FILLIN and ASK fields or UserForms to query the user. For more about online forms, follow the links at http://addbalance.com/word/wordwebresources.htm#Forms or http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...nTheBlanks.htm especially Dian Chapman's series of articles. You may also want to look at http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFl...nesInForms.htm. Reusing Documents vs. Using templates General practice in WP is to have a document and copy and edit it to create a new document. This is not good practice in Word. In Word, construct a good, tight, template for your documents and use that template when constructing new documents. Among other things, this can avoid embarrassing "metadata" (http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/metadata.htm) and things like surprise headers and footers from creeping into new documents. It's a lot of reading, I know. It's OK to chunk it down and do a bit each day, but I would recommend that you make it a top priority to do that bit each day. In the (short) long run, it will save you both time and grief. -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs which is awesome! My criminal law site: http://addbalance.com --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "MrsMac" wrote in message ... I've been using Word for 12 years (currently 2003), now must install my OEM WordPerfect 11 and use for transcription. I want to continue using Word for my current clients, but want to learn WordPerfect enough to function adequately to serve a prospective new client. I realize this is a Word board, but after doing some reading, I've found that many here use both programs as well. Anyone have any insight for me as I jump into learning a totally different word processing program? If you know of any good help sites, I would appreciate it. I have been to several -- Corel's and WP Universe -- and they were geared more towards long-time users as opposed to a newbie like myself. I've ordered the "dummies" book from the library for at least some form of reference as well. TIA for any assistance. |
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Word & WordPerfect
Thank you Charles. I have printed out all your links and suggestions for
further reference. After briefly reading through things, the only area I can see that might pose a potential problem for me is that I quite heavily use templates, autotext, and autocorrect. It sounds like this is not available in WP, only macros. That will be a tough one for me as I have never gotten the hang of macros. I used WP5.1 for DOS back in the 80's and loved it, so I do know a little about reveal codes and the F keys (took me awhile to STOP using them when I switched to Word back in '93!). I guess I'll just jump in with both feet and keep plugging away until I get it. Thanks again all for your suggestions and info -- I really appreciate it. "Charles Kenyon" wrote: If you are going to be using it regularly, accept that they are different programs and plan on spending some time learning WP. What follows is advice I give people coming the other way, but much of it will apply. Where I have something specific for you, I've preceded it with two asterisks. ** Here is some general info on moving from Word Perfect to Word: Word and Word Perfect work very differently from one another. Each program's methods have strengths and weaknesses; but, if you try to use one of these programs as if it were the other, it is like pushing on a string! You can easily make a lot of extra work for yourself. In the (short) long term (weeks rather than years) spending the time to learn Word will save you time if you are spending any time at all (more than an hour a day) using Word. See http://www.addbalance.com/word/wordperfect.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...ordPerfect.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...AndGotchas.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...Converters.htm http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/conc...ion/index.html for information on Word for Word Perfect users. For mo http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart2.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart1.htm http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/templates.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Number...gExplained.htm http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...latesStore.htm Function Keys ** learn the WP function keys In Word 2000 (or later) You can get the function keys to display in a special toolbar at the bottom of the screen if you want (something like pressing F3 twice in WP). The following macro will do this. Sub ShowMeFunctionKeys() Commandbars("Function Key Display").Visible = True End Sub Word's Extend key (F8) gives something similar to block processing. Formatting and Styles Learn about Styles - really learn! http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm I resisted for years and now regret every day of those years because although that string was still very hard to push, it kept getting longer and longer, and had some very important projects tied to it! Once you understand styles and the Word concept of organizing things into Chinese boxes everything falls into place and instead of pushing a string, you can push a button that turns on the very powerful text processing machine known as Microsoft Word and it will start doing your work for you instead of running around behind you trying to undo what you just thought you did. ** WP has styles, but they are different in how they work and not as central to how the program works. Converting documents Word / Word Perfect Some special characters in Word Perfect documents don't convert well to Word. There is a macro to assist with this described at http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/...html#macroword and can be found at http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/WPSymbolConv.bas. This was prepared by Edward Mendelson. Otherwise, look at the macro from http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=212396 Use these on _copies_! As for converting documents from Word Perfect to _use_ in Word... In a word, don't plan on it. I would not recommend using converted documents long-term. They will be filled with formatting anomolies that will get you at the worst time. This is especially true of any documents containing automatic numbering or bullets. Try recreating form documents in Word using the following process: In Word Perfect (if you still have it, in Word if not) save your files as text files. Use your converted files as references to show you how you want your formatting to look. Create a new document in Word and insert the text from the text file. Save this new document as a Word template. Format it the way you want using styles, not direct formatting. Save it again. To use a template within Word, use File = New and pick your template. This will create a new document for you. Merge documents have special problems and should be recreated from text files or retyped in Word. To convert data files, consider generating labels in WP as a document, converting that to Word, and then using http://www.gmayor.com/convert_labels...mail_merge.htm to get a new Word data file. Note that conversions usually do create documents that look passable and print OK; the problems I'm referring to have to do with editing / making changes, that is, using the documents long-term. (See below on reusing documents vs. using templates.) Conversion back to Word Perfect: There is a problem (in addition to the ones mentioned for conversion _to_ Word) with Version 2002 (XP) and later of Word. The conversion file only works for conversion _to_ Word, not from Word to Word Perfect! Earlier versions went both ways. To fix this, you need to find the old conversion file WPFT532.CNV from a Word 97 or Word 2000 installation and copy it to your new installation, replacing the file of the same name. Note, the change making the file one-way was done as a security measure. While I don't know of any problems the old file causes, keep the new installation's file somewhere as a backup just in case. ** Don't plan on converting back and forth. Copy and paste unformatted text and reformat in the new program. Boilerplate and Forms In WP a lot of people use macros to hold chunks of text - boilerplate. In Word this function is filled by Templates, AutoText and AutoCorrect, not macros. Follow the links at http://addbalance.com/word/wordwebre...s.htm#AutoText for more information on these tools. You can use FILLIN and ASK fields or UserForms to query the user. For more about online forms, follow the links at http://addbalance.com/word/wordwebresources.htm#Forms or http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...nTheBlanks.htm especially Dian Chapman's series of articles. You may also want to look at http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFl...nesInForms.htm. Reusing Documents vs. Using templates General practice in WP is to have a document and copy and edit it to create a new document. This is not good practice in Word. In Word, construct a good, tight, template for your documents and use that template when constructing new documents. Among other things, this can avoid embarrassing "metadata" (http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/metadata.htm) and things like surprise headers and footers from creeping into new documents. It's a lot of reading, I know. It's OK to chunk it down and do a bit each day, but I would recommend that you make it a top priority to do that bit each day. In the (short) long run, it will save you both time and grief. -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs which is awesome! My criminal law site: http://addbalance.com --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "MrsMac" wrote in message ... I've been using Word for 12 years (currently 2003), now must install my OEM WordPerfect 11 and use for transcription. I want to continue using Word for my current clients, but want to learn WordPerfect enough to function adequately to serve a prospective new client. I realize this is a Word board, but after doing some reading, I've found that many here use both programs as well. Anyone have any insight for me as I jump into learning a totally different word processing program? If you know of any good help sites, I would appreciate it. I have been to several -- Corel's and WP Universe -- and they were geared more towards long-time users as opposed to a newbie like myself. I've ordered the "dummies" book from the library for at least some form of reference as well. TIA for any assistance. |
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I think current WP versions have some equivalent of AutoText, and I know
they have an equivalent of AutoCorrect (I think it's called QuickCorrect). WP also uses templates and styles, but it doesn't have quite the same concept of them that Word does, though the last time I used WP (several versions back), it was getting closer. The main thing that takes a lot of getting used to is that WP doesn't have the same concept of a paragraph (and there's no such thing as a line break). Despite the insistence of WP users that Reveal Codes makes it easy to apply and manipulate formatting, I always found it very difficult to do this retroactively. If you select a block of text and insert tab stops, you can see the codes that set and release them, BUT if you select that same block of text again, the selection does not include these codes, so the ruler doesn't show the tab stops you just inserted, so you can't just move them the way you can in Word; you have to start from scratch. And whatever you do usually results in a pileup of redundant or contradictory codes that you have to periodically weed out. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "MrsMac" wrote in message ... Thank you Charles. I have printed out all your links and suggestions for further reference. After briefly reading through things, the only area I can see that might pose a potential problem for me is that I quite heavily use templates, autotext, and autocorrect. It sounds like this is not available in WP, only macros. That will be a tough one for me as I have never gotten the hang of macros. I used WP5.1 for DOS back in the 80's and loved it, so I do know a little about reveal codes and the F keys (took me awhile to STOP using them when I switched to Word back in '93!). I guess I'll just jump in with both feet and keep plugging away until I get it. Thanks again all for your suggestions and info -- I really appreciate it. "Charles Kenyon" wrote: If you are going to be using it regularly, accept that they are different programs and plan on spending some time learning WP. What follows is advice I give people coming the other way, but much of it will apply. Where I have something specific for you, I've preceded it with two asterisks. ** Here is some general info on moving from Word Perfect to Word: Word and Word Perfect work very differently from one another. Each program's methods have strengths and weaknesses; but, if you try to use one of these programs as if it were the other, it is like pushing on a string! You can easily make a lot of extra work for yourself. In the (short) long term (weeks rather than years) spending the time to learn Word will save you time if you are spending any time at all (more than an hour a day) using Word. See http://www.addbalance.com/word/wordperfect.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...ordPerfect.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...AndGotchas.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...Converters.htm http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/conc...ion/index.html for information on Word for Word Perfect users. For mo http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart2.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart1.htm http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/templates.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Number...gExplained.htm http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...latesStore.htm Function Keys ** learn the WP function keys In Word 2000 (or later) You can get the function keys to display in a special toolbar at the bottom of the screen if you want (something like pressing F3 twice in WP). The following macro will do this. Sub ShowMeFunctionKeys() Commandbars("Function Key Display").Visible = True End Sub Word's Extend key (F8) gives something similar to block processing. Formatting and Styles Learn about Styles - really learn! http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm I resisted for years and now regret every day of those years because although that string was still very hard to push, it kept getting longer and longer, and had some very important projects tied to it! Once you understand styles and the Word concept of organizing things into Chinese boxes everything falls into place and instead of pushing a string, you can push a button that turns on the very powerful text processing machine known as Microsoft Word and it will start doing your work for you instead of running around behind you trying to undo what you just thought you did. ** WP has styles, but they are different in how they work and not as central to how the program works. Converting documents Word / Word Perfect Some special characters in Word Perfect documents don't convert well to Word. There is a macro to assist with this described at http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/...html#macroword and can be found at http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/WPSymbolConv.bas. This was prepared by Edward Mendelson. Otherwise, look at the macro from http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=212396 Use these on _copies_! As for converting documents from Word Perfect to _use_ in Word... In a word, don't plan on it. I would not recommend using converted documents long-term. They will be filled with formatting anomolies that will get you at the worst time. This is especially true of any documents containing automatic numbering or bullets. Try recreating form documents in Word using the following process: In Word Perfect (if you still have it, in Word if not) save your files as text files. Use your converted files as references to show you how you want your formatting to look. Create a new document in Word and insert the text from the text file. Save this new document as a Word template. Format it the way you want using styles, not direct formatting. Save it again. To use a template within Word, use File = New and pick your template. This will create a new document for you. Merge documents have special problems and should be recreated from text files or retyped in Word. To convert data files, consider generating labels in WP as a document, converting that to Word, and then using http://www.gmayor.com/convert_labels...mail_merge.htm to get a new Word data file. Note that conversions usually do create documents that look passable and print OK; the problems I'm referring to have to do with editing / making changes, that is, using the documents long-term. (See below on reusing documents vs. using templates.) Conversion back to Word Perfect: There is a problem (in addition to the ones mentioned for conversion _to_ Word) with Version 2002 (XP) and later of Word. The conversion file only works for conversion _to_ Word, not from Word to Word Perfect! Earlier versions went both ways. To fix this, you need to find the old conversion file WPFT532.CNV from a Word 97 or Word 2000 installation and copy it to your new installation, replacing the file of the same name. Note, the change making the file one-way was done as a security measure. While I don't know of any problems the old file causes, keep the new installation's file somewhere as a backup just in case. ** Don't plan on converting back and forth. Copy and paste unformatted text and reformat in the new program. Boilerplate and Forms In WP a lot of people use macros to hold chunks of text - boilerplate. In Word this function is filled by Templates, AutoText and AutoCorrect, not macros. Follow the links at http://addbalance.com/word/wordwebre...s.htm#AutoText for more information on these tools. You can use FILLIN and ASK fields or UserForms to query the user. For more about online forms, follow the links at http://addbalance.com/word/wordwebresources.htm#Forms or http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...nTheBlanks.htm especially Dian Chapman's series of articles. You may also want to look at http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFl...nesInForms.htm. Reusing Documents vs. Using templates General practice in WP is to have a document and copy and edit it to create a new document. This is not good practice in Word. In Word, construct a good, tight, template for your documents and use that template when constructing new documents. Among other things, this can avoid embarrassing "metadata" (http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/metadata.htm) and things like surprise headers and footers from creeping into new documents. It's a lot of reading, I know. It's OK to chunk it down and do a bit each day, but I would recommend that you make it a top priority to do that bit each day. In the (short) long run, it will save you both time and grief. -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs which is awesome! My criminal law site: http://addbalance.com --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "MrsMac" wrote in message ... I've been using Word for 12 years (currently 2003), now must install my OEM WordPerfect 11 and use for transcription. I want to continue using Word for my current clients, but want to learn WordPerfect enough to function adequately to serve a prospective new client. I realize this is a Word board, but after doing some reading, I've found that many here use both programs as well. Anyone have any insight for me as I jump into learning a totally different word processing program? If you know of any good help sites, I would appreciate it. I have been to several -- Corel's and WP Universe -- and they were geared more towards long-time users as opposed to a newbie like myself. I've ordered the "dummies" book from the library for at least some form of reference as well. TIA for any assistance. |
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