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Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs from 'pt' to
'cm'? I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions would be helpful. Thanks. -- Terry Hollands |
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Yes and no. The spacing will always be displayed in points but may be
entered in inches or centimeters, which Word will convert to points. Select the default "0 pt" in the Spacing Before/After box and type in "3 cm" (Word will convert to 85.05 pt.) -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Terry Hollands" wrote in message news Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs from 'pt' to 'cm'? I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions would be helpful. Thanks. -- Terry Hollands |
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Terry,
AFAIK, no. You can change the default unit of measure to centimeters using ToolsOptionsGeneralMeasurement units but this has no effect on the units used in space before or after. Even programmatically you can only get close. You can convert cm to points using: Sub GetPointEquivelent() MsgBox CentimetersToPoints(3) End Sub Which returns 85.03937. However if this value is entered into the space before or after field Word rounds it to 85.05. You could also set it directly using: Sub ScratchMaco() Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceBefore = CentimetersToPoints(3) Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceAfter = CentimetersToPoints(3) End Sub But again Word rounds it to 85.05. See: http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm Terry Hollands wrote: Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs from 'pt' to 'cm'? I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions would be helpful. Thanks. -- Greg Maxey See my web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org for an eclectic collection of Word Tips. |
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You can't change the unit of measurement, but note that it's possible to
type in "3 cm"; Word will convert it to the corresponding value in points (you won't see the converted value until you close and reopen the dialog box, though). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Terry Hollands" wrote in message news Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs from 'pt' to 'cm'? I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions would be helpful. Thanks. -- Terry Hollands |
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You can't change the unit of measurement, but note that it's possible to
type in "3 cm"; Word will convert it to the corresponding value in points (you won't see the converted value until you close and reopen the dialog box, though). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Terry Hollands" wrote: Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs from 'pt' to 'cm'? I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions would be helpful. Thanks. -- Terry Hollands |
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Apologies for the repeated solution.
The newsgroup seems to be out-of-sync, Express says no answers yet, MS Discussion, shows none, and Google Groups show 4! Also Notification Replies not working either (not for a long time). Has the problem been reported, being worked on? Anyone out there? ;-) DeanH "Terry Hollands" wrote: Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs from 'pt' to 'cm'? I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions would be helpful. Thanks. -- Terry Hollands |
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Just type in the Space After box "3cm" and Word will accept it and will also
convert it to 85.05pt for you as well. -- Hope this helps DeanH "Terry Hollands" wrote: Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs from 'pt' to 'cm'? I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions would be helpful. Thanks. -- Terry Hollands |
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It seems to take a long time before messages become visible after posted.
And, once again, messages posted via NNTP don't show up. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "DeanH" wrote: Apologies for the repeated solution. The newsgroup seems to be out-of-sync, Express says no answers yet, MS Discussion, shows none, and Google Groups show 4! Also Notification Replies not working either (not for a long time). Has the problem been reported, being worked on? Anyone out there? ;-) DeanH "Terry Hollands" wrote: Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs from 'pt' to 'cm'? I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions would be helpful. Thanks. -- Terry Hollands |
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Once again, nails and hammers. If you type "3 cm" into the "Space
After" (or "Space Before") box, Word gives you spacing that's as close to 3 cm as it can get. No need either for a macro, or for calculating the pt equivalent of the cm measurement. On Nov 2, 8:16*am, "Greg Maxey" wrote: Terry, AFAIK, no. *You can change the default unit of measure to centimeters using ToolsOptionsGeneralMeasurement units but this has no effect on the units used in space before or after. Even programmatically you can only get close. *You can convert cm to points using: Sub GetPointEquivelent() MsgBox CentimetersToPoints(3) End Sub Which returns 85.03937. *However if this value is entered into the space before or after field Word rounds it to 85.05. *You could also set it directly using: Sub ScratchMaco() Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceBefore = CentimetersToPoints(3) Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceAfter = CentimetersToPoints(3) End Sub But again Word rounds it to 85.05. See:http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm Terry Hollands wrote: Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs from 'pt' to 'cm'? I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions would be helpful. Thanks. -- Greg Maxey See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org for an eclectic collection of Word Tips. |
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If NNTP is not being propagated, then I'm wasting my time again. sigh
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... It seems to take a long time before messages become visible after posted. And, once again, messages posted via NNTP don't show up. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "DeanH" wrote: Apologies for the repeated solution. The newsgroup seems to be out-of-sync, Express says no answers yet, MS Discussion, shows none, and Google Groups show 4! Also Notification Replies not working either (not for a long time). Has the problem been reported, being worked on? Anyone out there? ;-) DeanH "Terry Hollands" wrote: Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs from 'pt' to 'cm'? I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions would be helpful. Thanks. -- Terry Hollands |
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The messages are showing up (as promptly as usual) in google groups,
whether posted to the newsgroup or to the MS interface, so it must be the MS interface that's acting up. On Nov 2, 10:25*am, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If NNTP is not being propagated, then I'm wasting my time again. sigh -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... It seems to take a long time before messages become visible after posted. And, once again, messages posted via NNTP don't show up. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "DeanH" wrote: Apologies for the repeated solution. The newsgroup seems to be out-of-sync, Express says no answers yet, MS Discussion, shows none, and Google Groups show 4! Also Notification Replies not working either (not for a long time). Has the problem been reported, being worked on? Anyone out there? ;-) DeanH "Terry Hollands" wrote: Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs from 'pt' to 'cm'? I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions would be helpful. Thanks. -- Terry Hollands- |
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We know that; it's been reported in the private NGs. Unfortunately, the
people in charge of this can't seem to figure out what the problem is. The fact is that NNTP is on its way out; we've been told that all MS NNTP NGs are going to be phased out and moved to online forums at some point (no timeline has been given). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message ... The messages are showing up (as promptly as usual) in google groups, whether posted to the newsgroup or to the MS interface, so it must be the MS interface that's acting up. On Nov 2, 10:25 am, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If NNTP is not being propagated, then I'm wasting my time again. sigh -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... It seems to take a long time before messages become visible after posted. And, once again, messages posted via NNTP don't show up. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "DeanH" wrote: Apologies for the repeated solution. The newsgroup seems to be out-of-sync, Express says no answers yet, MS Discussion, shows none, and Google Groups show 4! Also Notification Replies not working either (not for a long time). Has the problem been reported, being worked on? Anyone out there? ;-) DeanH "Terry Hollands" wrote: Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs from 'pt' to 'cm'? I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions would be helpful. Thanks. -- Terry Hollands- |
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Mr. Daniels,
Thank you for passing on what you have learned from Ms. Barnhill's reply posted 2 hours and 6 minutes previously. I'll take my nails and hammers over your empty box any day. Cheers. -- Greg Maxey See my web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org for an eclectic collection of Word Tips. "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message ... Once again, nails and hammers. If you type "3 cm" into the "Space After" (or "Space Before") box, Word gives you spacing that's as close to 3 cm as it can get. No need either for a macro, or for calculating the pt equivalent of the cm measurement. On Nov 2, 8:16 am, "Greg Maxey" wrote: Terry, AFAIK, no. You can change the default unit of measure to centimeters using ToolsOptionsGeneralMeasurement units but this has no effect on the units used in space before or after. Even programmatically you can only get close. You can convert cm to points using: Sub GetPointEquivelent() MsgBox CentimetersToPoints(3) End Sub Which returns 85.03937. However if this value is entered into the space before or after field Word rounds it to 85.05. You could also set it directly using: Sub ScratchMaco() Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceBefore = CentimetersToPoints(3) Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceAfter = CentimetersToPoints(3) End Sub But again Word rounds it to 85.05. See:http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm Terry Hollands wrote: Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs from 'pt' to 'cm'? I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions would be helpful. Thanks. -- Greg Maxey See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org for an eclectic collection of Word Tips. |
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While Peter may have been able to see my post, it's quite likely that those
connnecting through the MS Communities cannot, so repetition is not a bad idea. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Mr. Daniels, Thank you for passing on what you have learned from Ms. Barnhill's reply posted 2 hours and 6 minutes previously. I'll take my nails and hammers over your empty box any day. Cheers. -- Greg Maxey See my web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org for an eclectic collection of Word Tips. "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message ... Once again, nails and hammers. If you type "3 cm" into the "Space After" (or "Space Before") box, Word gives you spacing that's as close to 3 cm as it can get. No need either for a macro, or for calculating the pt equivalent of the cm measurement. On Nov 2, 8:16 am, "Greg Maxey" wrote: Terry, AFAIK, no. You can change the default unit of measure to centimeters using ToolsOptionsGeneralMeasurement units but this has no effect on the units used in space before or after. Even programmatically you can only get close. You can convert cm to points using: Sub GetPointEquivelent() MsgBox CentimetersToPoints(3) End Sub Which returns 85.03937. However if this value is entered into the space before or after field Word rounds it to 85.05. You could also set it directly using: Sub ScratchMaco() Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceBefore = CentimetersToPoints(3) Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceAfter = CentimetersToPoints(3) End Sub But again Word rounds it to 85.05. See:http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm Terry Hollands wrote: Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs from 'pt' to 'cm'? I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions would be helpful. Thanks. -- Greg Maxey See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org for an eclectic collection of Word Tips. |
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Ms. Barnhill,
The repetition is one thing and perfectly acceptable. The pretense that the dilettante had anything to offer before reading your post is another. Apparently Mr. Daniels leveraged the macro (or the result it provides) to realize that 85.05 points is as close as Word will get when setting paragraph spacing to 3 cm. -- Greg Maxey See my web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org for an eclectic collection of Word Tips. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... While Peter may have been able to see my post, it's quite likely that those connnecting through the MS Communities cannot, so repetition is not a bad idea. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Mr. Daniels, Thank you for passing on what you have learned from Ms. Barnhill's reply posted 2 hours and 6 minutes previously. I'll take my nails and hammers over your empty box any day. Cheers. -- Greg Maxey See my web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org for an eclectic collection of Word Tips. "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message ... Once again, nails and hammers. If you type "3 cm" into the "Space After" (or "Space Before") box, Word gives you spacing that's as close to 3 cm as it can get. No need either for a macro, or for calculating the pt equivalent of the cm measurement. On Nov 2, 8:16 am, "Greg Maxey" wrote: Terry, AFAIK, no. You can change the default unit of measure to centimeters using ToolsOptionsGeneralMeasurement units but this has no effect on the units used in space before or after. Even programmatically you can only get close. You can convert cm to points using: Sub GetPointEquivelent() MsgBox CentimetersToPoints(3) End Sub Which returns 85.03937. However if this value is entered into the space before or after field Word rounds it to 85.05. You could also set it directly using: Sub ScratchMaco() Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceBefore = CentimetersToPoints(3) Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceAfter = CentimetersToPoints(3) End Sub But again Word rounds it to 85.05. See:http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm Terry Hollands wrote: Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs from 'pt' to 'cm'? I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions would be helpful. Thanks. -- Greg Maxey See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org for an eclectic collection of Word Tips. |
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Greg had not seen your and Stefan's postings, because the three of you
posted nearly simultaneously. My posting was not offered as help to Terry, who got good advice from you and Stefan and less good advice from Greg, who gave the appearance of being unaware that Word will translate measures typed in a measurement box into other units without the intervention of the user.. On Nov 2, 12:02*pm, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: While Peter may have been able to see my post, it's quite likely that those connnecting through the MS Communities cannot, so repetition is not a bad idea. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Mr. Daniels, Thank you for passing on what you have learned from Ms. Barnhill's reply posted 2 hours and 6 minutes previously. *I'll take my nails and hammers over your empty box any day. Cheers. -- Greg Maxey See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org for an eclectic collection of Word Tips. "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message .... Once again, nails and hammers. If you type "3 cm" into the "Space After" (or "Space Before") box, Word gives you spacing that's as close to 3 cm as it can get. No need either for a macro, or for calculating the pt equivalent of the cm measurement. On Nov 2, 8:16 am, "Greg Maxey" wrote: Terry, AFAIK, no. You can change the default unit of measure to centimeters using ToolsOptionsGeneralMeasurement units but this has no effect on the units used in space before or after. Even programmatically you can only get close. You can convert cm to points using: Sub GetPointEquivelent() MsgBox CentimetersToPoints(3) End Sub Which returns 85.03937. However if this value is entered into the space before or after field Word rounds it to 85.05. You could also set it directly using: Sub ScratchMaco() Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceBefore = CentimetersToPoints(3) Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceAfter = CentimetersToPoints(3) End Sub But again Word rounds it to 85.05. See:http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm Terry Hollands wrote: Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs from 'pt' to 'cm'? I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions would be helpful. Thanks. -- Greg Maxey See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.- |
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Let's hope that the web interface have improved greatly when NNTP disappears
for good. Or, even better, let's hope Microsoft reconsiders the decision to get rid of the NNTP groups. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... We know that; it's been reported in the private NGs. Unfortunately, the people in charge of this can't seem to figure out what the problem is. The fact is that NNTP is on its way out; we've been told that all MS NNTP NGs are going to be phased out and moved to online forums at some point (no timeline has been given). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message ... The messages are showing up (as promptly as usual) in google groups, whether posted to the newsgroup or to the MS interface, so it must be the MS interface that's acting up. On Nov 2, 10:25 am, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If NNTP is not being propagated, then I'm wasting my time again. sigh -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... It seems to take a long time before messages become visible after posted. And, once again, messages posted via NNTP don't show up. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "DeanH" wrote: Apologies for the repeated solution. The newsgroup seems to be out-of-sync, Express says no answers yet, MS Discussion, shows none, and Google Groups show 4! Also Notification Replies not working either (not for a long time). Has the problem been reported, being worked on? Anyone out there? ;-) DeanH "Terry Hollands" wrote: Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs from 'pt' to 'cm'? I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions would be helpful. Thanks. -- Terry Hollands- |
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If it doesn't then for some of us life is far too short for messing around
with web forums. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Stefan Blom wrote: Let's hope that the web interface have improved greatly when NNTP disappears for good. Or, even better, let's hope Microsoft reconsiders the decision to get rid of the NNTP groups. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... We know that; it's been reported in the private NGs. Unfortunately, the people in charge of this can't seem to figure out what the problem is. The fact is that NNTP is on its way out; we've been told that all MS NNTP NGs are going to be phased out and moved to online forums at some point (no timeline has been given). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message ... The messages are showing up (as promptly as usual) in google groups, whether posted to the newsgroup or to the MS interface, so it must be the MS interface that's acting up. On Nov 2, 10:25 am, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If NNTP is not being propagated, then I'm wasting my time again. sigh -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... It seems to take a long time before messages become visible after posted. And, once again, messages posted via NNTP don't show up. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "DeanH" wrote: Apologies for the repeated solution. The newsgroup seems to be out-of-sync, Express says no answers yet, MS Discussion, shows none, and Google Groups show 4! Also Notification Replies not working either (not for a long time). Has the problem been reported, being worked on? Anyone out there? ;-) DeanH "Terry Hollands" wrote: Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs from 'pt' to 'cm'? I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions would be helpful. Thanks. -- Terry Hollands- |
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Mr. Daniels,
As your post was not offered as help (in your own words), you have disassociated yourself from any credit that Ms. Barnhill tried to give you and "may "leave some in the group to wonder just why was it offered? To remove all doubt as to appearances, Greg was not aware. Still, he didn't need your post to make him so. Ms. Barnhill's post was good advice (again your own words) and took care of that for both Greg and Terry. Greg had not seen Ms. Barnhill or Stefan's postings (a slight altering of your own words), This gives the appearance that you had. Since you didn't post to help it appears that you were simply parroting what you had just discovered yourself, thanks to Ms. Barnhill and Stephan, while pouring out your scorn on more advanced features of Word that you don't understand or choose to explore yourself. Then unwittingly you use the information those nails and hammers provide to confirm yourself that the conversion is as close as Word can get. The answer to the basic question is still no. Whatever is successfully set either in the field or programatically the unit of measure displayed is still points. Cheers. Peter T. Daniels wrote: Greg had not seen your and Stefan's postings, because the three of you posted nearly simultaneously. My posting was not offered as help to Terry, who got good advice from you and Stefan and less good advice from Greg, who gave the appearance of being unaware that Word will translate measures typed in a measurement box into other units without the intervention of the user.. On Nov 2, 12:02 pm, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: While Peter may have been able to see my post, it's quite likely that those connnecting through the MS Communities cannot, so repetition is not a bad idea. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Mr. Daniels, Thank you for passing on what you have learned from Ms. Barnhill's reply posted 2 hours and 6 minutes previously. I'll take my nails and hammers over your empty box any day. Cheers. -- Greg Maxey See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org for an eclectic collection of Word Tips. "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message ... Once again, nails and hammers. If you type "3 cm" into the "Space After" (or "Space Before") box, Word gives you spacing that's as close to 3 cm as it can get. No need either for a macro, or for calculating the pt equivalent of the cm measurement. On Nov 2, 8:16 am, "Greg Maxey" wrote: Terry, AFAIK, no. You can change the default unit of measure to centimeters using ToolsOptionsGeneralMeasurement units but this has no effect on the units used in space before or after. Even programmatically you can only get close. You can convert cm to points using: Sub GetPointEquivelent() MsgBox CentimetersToPoints(3) End Sub Which returns 85.03937. However if this value is entered into the space before or after field Word rounds it to 85.05. You could also set it directly using: Sub ScratchMaco() Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceBefore = CentimetersToPoints(3) Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceAfter = CentimetersToPoints(3) End Sub But again Word rounds it to 85.05. See:http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm Terry Hollands wrote: Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs from 'pt' to 'cm'? I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions would be helpful. Thanks. -- Greg Maxey See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.- -- Greg Maxey See my web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org for an eclectic collection of Word Tips. |
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Why would you suppose that I did not know that if you type a
measurement in a box, specifying a unit other than what the box is set for, Word will substitute the value for which the box is set? It seems a fairly basic bit of knowledge (found in the opening pages of any basic Word book) that anyone who's dealt with any sort of internationalization would be aware of. On Nov 3, 5:55*am, "Greg Maxey" wrote: Mr. Daniels, As your post was not offered as help (in your own words), you have disassociated yourself from any credit that Ms. Barnhill tried to give you and "may "leave some in the group to wonder just why was it offered? To remove all doubt as to appearances, Greg was not aware. *Still, he didn't need your post to make him so. *Ms. Barnhill's post was good advice (again your own words) and took care of that for both Greg and Terry. Greg had not seen Ms. Barnhill or Stefan's postings (a slight altering of your own words), *This gives the appearance that you had. *Since you didn't post to help it appears that you were simply parroting what you had just discovered yourself, thanks to Ms. Barnhill and Stephan, while pouring out your scorn on more advanced features of Word that you don't understand or choose to explore yourself. *Then unwittingly you use the information those nails and hammers provide to confirm yourself that the conversion is as close as Word can get. The answer to the basic question is still no. *Whatever is successfully set either in the field or programatically the unit of measure displayed is still points. Cheers. Peter T. Daniels wrote: Greg had not seen your and Stefan's postings, because the three of you posted nearly simultaneously. My posting was not offered as help to Terry, who got good advice from you and Stefan and less good advice from Greg, who gave the appearance of being unaware that Word will translate measures typed in a measurement box into other units without the intervention of the user.. On Nov 2, 12:02 pm, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: While Peter may have been able to see my post, it's quite likely that those connnecting through the MS Communities cannot, so repetition is not a bad idea. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org "Greg Maxey" wrote in message . .. Mr. Daniels, Thank you for passing on what you have learned from Ms. Barnhill's reply posted 2 hours and 6 minutes previously. I'll take my nails and hammers over your empty box any day. Cheers. -- Greg Maxey See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org for an eclectic collection of Word Tips. "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message .... Once again, nails and hammers. If you type "3 cm" into the "Space After" (or "Space Before") box, Word gives you spacing that's as close to 3 cm as it can get. No need either for a macro, or for calculating the pt equivalent of the cm measurement. On Nov 2, 8:16 am, "Greg Maxey" wrote: Terry, AFAIK, no. You can change the default unit of measure to centimeters using ToolsOptionsGeneralMeasurement units but this has no effect on the units used in space before or after. Even programmatically you can only get close. You can convert cm to points using: Sub GetPointEquivelent() MsgBox CentimetersToPoints(3) End Sub Which returns 85.03937. However if this value is entered into the space before or after field Word rounds it to 85.05. You could also set it directly using: Sub ScratchMaco() Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceBefore = CentimetersToPoints(3) Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceAfter = CentimetersToPoints(3) End Sub But again Word rounds it to 85.05. See:http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm Terry Hollands wrote: Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs from 'pt' to 'cm'? I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions would be helpful. Thanks. |
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Mr. Daniels,
I don't mind answering your questions while you avoid mine. However, I'll answer with another question. Why would I suppose you did? Given your propensity to offer your opinion in areas where you are only marginally familiar with subject, your silence on this subject until after three other people had posted gave the appearance that you are not an expert in this one and that you didn't know. As for books on the subject, there are books on the subject of VBA (nails and hammers as you call it) as well, even beginner books. Still I feel safe in supposing that you don't know much of anything about that either. Back to my question that you avoided. If you didn't post to help, then why did you post? You have left those who "may" wonder to suppose that you where simply continuing a fight that you picked with me almost two years ago. I have no interest in fighting with you. I do seek a change in your arrogant manner and behavior and I encourage you to apologize to the Word community for the offenses you have given past and present. Enough of all of that though. Your diatribe is not wasted and perhaps we can all learn something. Word MVP Tony Jollans in separate correspondence has graciously explained that the internal measurement unit within Word is a unit called a "twip" which equals 1/20th of a point. So the, presumably accurate (it too is rounded), 85.0397 is further rounded to 85.05 (85 and one twentieth) points. This rounding, partly at least, explains why some fine adjustments cannot be made, or appear not to 'take'. Break Terry, While 3 cm can be entered directly into the field or set programmatically, the display remains in points and the precise actual space can either be spot on or something very close that Word works out internally based on its measurement unit called a twip. If your student were someone else's student he or she should now be armed to impress ;-) -- Greg Maxey See my web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org for an eclectic collection of Word Tips. "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message ... Why would you suppose that I did not know that if you type a measurement in a box, specifying a unit other than what the box is set for, Word will substitute the value for which the box is set? It seems a fairly basic bit of knowledge (found in the opening pages of any basic Word book) that anyone who's dealt with any sort of internationalization would be aware of. On Nov 3, 5:55 am, "Greg Maxey" wrote: Mr. Daniels, As your post was not offered as help (in your own words), you have disassociated yourself from any credit that Ms. Barnhill tried to give you and "may "leave some in the group to wonder just why was it offered? To remove all doubt as to appearances, Greg was not aware. Still, he didn't need your post to make him so. Ms. Barnhill's post was good advice (again your own words) and took care of that for both Greg and Terry. Greg had not seen Ms. Barnhill or Stefan's postings (a slight altering of your own words), This gives the appearance that you had. Since you didn't post to help it appears that you were simply parroting what you had just discovered yourself, thanks to Ms. Barnhill and Stephan, while pouring out your scorn on more advanced features of Word that you don't understand or choose to explore yourself. Then unwittingly you use the information those nails and hammers provide to confirm yourself that the conversion is as close as Word can get. The answer to the basic question is still no. Whatever is successfully set either in the field or programatically the unit of measure displayed is still points. Cheers. Peter T. Daniels wrote: Greg had not seen your and Stefan's postings, because the three of you posted nearly simultaneously. My posting was not offered as help to Terry, who got good advice from you and Stefan and less good advice from Greg, who gave the appearance of being unaware that Word will translate measures typed in a measurement box into other units without the intervention of the user.. On Nov 2, 12:02 pm, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: While Peter may have been able to see my post, it's quite likely that those connnecting through the MS Communities cannot, so repetition is not a bad idea. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org "Greg Maxey" wrote in message . .. Mr. Daniels, Thank you for passing on what you have learned from Ms. Barnhill's reply posted 2 hours and 6 minutes previously. I'll take my nails and hammers over your empty box any day. Cheers. -- Greg Maxey See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org for an eclectic collection of Word Tips. "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message ... Once again, nails and hammers. If you type "3 cm" into the "Space After" (or "Space Before") box, Word gives you spacing that's as close to 3 cm as it can get. No need either for a macro, or for calculating the pt equivalent of the cm measurement. On Nov 2, 8:16 am, "Greg Maxey" wrote: Terry, AFAIK, no. You can change the default unit of measure to centimeters using ToolsOptionsGeneralMeasurement units but this has no effect on the units used in space before or after. Even programmatically you can only get close. You can convert cm to points using: Sub GetPointEquivelent() MsgBox CentimetersToPoints(3) End Sub Which returns 85.03937. However if this value is entered into the space before or after field Word rounds it to 85.05. You could also set it directly using: Sub ScratchMaco() Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceBefore = CentimetersToPoints(3) Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceAfter = CentimetersToPoints(3) End Sub But again Word rounds it to 85.05. See:http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm Terry Hollands wrote: Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs from 'pt' to 'cm'? I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions would be helpful. Thanks. |
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On Nov 3, 2:50*pm, "Greg Maxey"
wrote: Mr. Daniels, I don't mind answering your questions while you avoid mine. *However, I'll answer with another question. Why would I suppose you did? Given your propensity to offer your opinion in areas where you are only marginally familiar with subject, your silence on this subject until after three other people had posted You are _really_ desperate for something to get nasty about, aren't you! Terry's question was posted at 7:54 am, and the three responses were posted at 8:15 and 8:16. (They probably became available to me about 8:30.) On Mondays and Thursdays I have to leave the house by 8:15 to move the car for street cleaning, so I stop looking at newsgroups around 7:45; and since it's bad for the engine to just drive around the block, I do errands on those mornings. When I return, I check the newsgroups to see if anything had been posted in the previous two hours or so. On this occasion I came across Terry's thread, which contained two nearly identical postings of the familiar solution and one that suggested a rather baroque way of achieving the same result that imposed a number of unnecessary steps on the user. Since I had just withstood a spate of your usual abuse, I took the opportunity to return -- not the abuse, but a response suggesting that you take a bit of your own medicine and refrain from posting about things you don't understand. (Though it does seem rather strange that a supposed power user of Word didn't know that Word automatically converts measurements.) gave the appearance that you are not an expert in this one and that you didn't know. *As for books on the subject, there are books on the subject of VBA (nails and hammers as you call it) as well, even beginner books. *Still I feel safe in supposing that you don't know much of anything about that either. Back to my question that you avoided. *If you didn't post to help, then why did you post? *You have left those who "may" wonder to suppose that you where simply continuing a fight that you picked with me almost two years ago. *I have no interest in fighting with you. *I do seek a change in your arrogant manner and behavior and I encourage you to apologize to the Word community for the offenses you have given past and present. When you say that you have no interest in fighting, you are simply lying. You stand poised over the newsgroup to pounce on any (usually mistakenly) perceived error and reprint your boilerplate abuse. Yet you do not post abuse against anyone else who makes a (perceived) error. Once again, you harp on what you perceived as "picking a fight" two years ago. All that happened two years ago was that you posted a rude remark in response to an innocent query, and I questioned whether it was appropriate for someone in a position of authority (the position granted by the initials "MVP" that you recently renounced) to be rude to an innocent poster. You apparently stewed over this for more than a year, bringing it up in some other context, when it had long been forgotten by everyone but yourself. Grow up. Enough of all of that though. *Your diatribe is not wasted and perhaps we can all learn something. *Word MVP Tony Jollans in separate correspondence has graciously explained that the internal measurement unit within Word is a unit called a "twip" which equals 1/20th of a point. * So the, presumably accurate (it too is rounded), 85.0397 is further rounded to 85.05 (85 and one twentieth) points. *This rounding, partly at least, explains why some fine adjustments cannot be made, or appear not to 'take'. The fineness of measurement permitted by Word is very coarse in almost every case -- point sizes in increments of .5, etc. Coming from FrameMaker, where every measurement can be entered to three decimal places, I found this crude indeed -- and in most cases, even two decimal places are beyond Word's capacity. Break Terry, While 3 cm can be entered directly into the field or set programmatically, the display remains in points and the precise actual space can either be spot on or something very close that Word works out internally based on its measurement unit called a twip. *If your student were someone else's student he or she should now be armed to impress ;-) -- Greg Maxey See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org for an eclectic collection of Word Tips. "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in ... Why would you suppose that I did not know that if you type a measurement in a box, specifying a unit other than what the box is set for, Word will substitute the value for which the box is set? It seems a fairly basic bit of knowledge (found in the opening pages of any basic Word book) that anyone who's dealt with any sort of internationalization would be aware of. On Nov 3, 5:55 am, "Greg Maxey" wrote: Mr. Daniels, As your post was not offered as help (in your own words), you have disassociated yourself from any credit that Ms. Barnhill tried to give you and "may "leave some in the group to wonder just why was it offered? To remove all doubt as to appearances, Greg was not aware. Still, he didn't need your post to make him so. Ms. Barnhill's post was good advice (again your own words) and took care of that for both Greg and Terry. Greg had not seen Ms. Barnhill or Stefan's postings (a slight altering of your own words), This gives the appearance that you had. Since you didn't post to help it appears that you were simply parroting what you had just discovered yourself, thanks to Ms. Barnhill and Stephan, while pouring out your scorn on more advanced features of Word that you don't understand or choose to explore yourself. Then unwittingly you use the information those nails and hammers provide to confirm yourself that the conversion is as close as Word can get. The answer to the basic question is still no. Whatever is successfully set either in the field or programatically the unit of measure displayed is still points. Cheers. Peter T. Daniels wrote: Greg had not seen your and Stefan's postings, because the three of you posted nearly simultaneously. My posting was not offered as help to Terry, who got good advice from you and Stefan and less good advice from Greg, who gave the appearance of being unaware that Word will translate measures typed in a measurement box into other units without the intervention of the user.. On Nov 2, 12:02 pm, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: While Peter may have been able to see my post, it's quite likely that those connnecting through the MS Communities cannot, so repetition is not a bad idea. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org "Greg Maxey" wrote in message . .. Mr. Daniels, Thank you for passing on what you have learned from Ms. Barnhill's reply posted 2 hours and 6 minutes previously. I'll take my nails and hammers over your empty box any day. Cheers. -- Greg Maxey See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org for an eclectic collection of Word Tips. "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message ... Once again, nails and hammers. If you type "3 cm" into the "Space After" (or "Space Before") box, Word gives you spacing that's as close to 3 cm as it can get. No need either for a macro, or for calculating the pt equivalent of the cm measurement. On Nov 2, 8:16 am, "Greg Maxey" wrote: Terry, AFAIK, no. You can change the default unit of measure to centimeters using ToolsOptionsGeneralMeasurement units but this has no effect on the units used in space before or after. Even programmatically you can only get close. You can convert cm to points using: Sub GetPointEquivelent() MsgBox CentimetersToPoints(3) End Sub Which returns 85.03937. However if this value is entered into the space before or after field Word rounds it to 85.05. You could also set it directly using: Sub ScratchMaco() Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceBefore = CentimetersToPoints(3) Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceAfter = CentimetersToPoints(3) End Sub But again Word rounds it to 85.05. See:http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm Terry Hollands wrote: Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs from 'pt' to 'cm'? I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions would be helpful. 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The only thing of substance that rises to the top of this childish tirade
and in a round about way is, "Yes, I was continuing a fight." Glad that is cleared up. Amongst the other white noise, including your rather boring Monday and Thursday schedules, you whine about perceived abuses and fuss over why it is only you that gets abused. Read some of your own posts Mr. Daniels. Brace yourself though. The sense of superiority and raw unbridled arrogance many of them contain may shake you to your very hollow core. If you can stand them and if as you read, try to imagine how your delivery is perceived by other people. If you do then surely the fog will lift. You will see that the perceived abuse is not over your errors or mistakes, but your manner and delivery. You will understand why changing your behavior remains a worthwhile cause. We have yet to hear from Terry, but in view of the discussion and replies to his post, I have no doubt that typing "3 cm" in the UI is the answer for what his student is trying to do. I concede that without whining or protest. Still, the answer to the question asked is no. Spacing before or after paragraphs are displayed in points and set in twips. This is true regardless which valid unit of measure is entered via the UI or set programmatically. The hammers and nails illustrate the approximation and Tony Jollans provided and explanation of the rounding. I am now going to leave this particular field because I see no need to remain. Up to this point you are doing a fantastic job of pointing out in yourself the very arrogance and misbehavior that I often challenge. You are spanking yourself so to speak. Next perhaps you will be arguing with yourself and calling yourself names. Cheers. Peter T. Daniels wrote: On Nov 3, 2:50 pm, "Greg Maxey" wrote: Mr. Daniels, I don't mind answering your questions while you avoid mine. However, I'll answer with another question. Why would I suppose you did? Given your propensity to offer your opinion in areas where you are only marginally familiar with subject, your silence on this subject until after three other people had posted You are _really_ desperate for something to get nasty about, aren't you! Terry's question was posted at 7:54 am, and the three responses were posted at 8:15 and 8:16. (They probably became available to me about 8:30.) On Mondays and Thursdays I have to leave the house by 8:15 to move the car for street cleaning, so I stop looking at newsgroups around 7:45; and since it's bad for the engine to just drive around the block, I do errands on those mornings. When I return, I check the newsgroups to see if anything had been posted in the previous two hours or so. On this occasion I came across Terry's thread, which contained two nearly identical postings of the familiar solution and one that suggested a rather baroque way of achieving the same result that imposed a number of unnecessary steps on the user. Since I had just withstood a spate of your usual abuse, I took the opportunity to return -- not the abuse, but a response suggesting that you take a bit of your own medicine and refrain from posting about things you don't understand. (Though it does seem rather strange that a supposed power user of Word didn't know that Word automatically converts measurements.) gave the appearance that you are not an expert in this one and that you didn't know. As for books on the subject, there are books on the subject of VBA (nails and hammers as you call it) as well, even beginner books. Still I feel safe in supposing that you don't know much of anything about that either. Back to my question that you avoided. If you didn't post to help, then why did you post? You have left those who "may" wonder to suppose that you where simply continuing a fight that you picked with me almost two years ago. I have no interest in fighting with you. I do seek a change in your arrogant manner and behavior and I encourage you to apologize to the Word community for the offenses you have given past and present. When you say that you have no interest in fighting, you are simply lying. You stand poised over the newsgroup to pounce on any (usually mistakenly) perceived error and reprint your boilerplate abuse. Yet you do not post abuse against anyone else who makes a (perceived) error. Once again, you harp on what you perceived as "picking a fight" two years ago. All that happened two years ago was that you posted a rude remark in response to an innocent query, and I questioned whether it was appropriate for someone in a position of authority (the position granted by the initials "MVP" that you recently renounced) to be rude to an innocent poster. You apparently stewed over this for more than a year, bringing it up in some other context, when it had long been forgotten by everyone but yourself. Grow up. Enough of all of that though. Your diatribe is not wasted and perhaps we can all learn something. Word MVP Tony Jollans in separate correspondence has graciously explained that the internal measurement unit within Word is a unit called a "twip" which equals 1/20th of a point. So the, presumably accurate (it too is rounded), 85.0397 is further rounded to 85.05 (85 and one twentieth) points. This rounding, partly at least, explains why some fine adjustments cannot be made, or appear not to 'take'. The fineness of measurement permitted by Word is very coarse in almost every case -- point sizes in increments of .5, etc. Coming from FrameMaker, where every measurement can be entered to three decimal places, I found this crude indeed -- and in most cases, even two decimal places are beyond Word's capacity. Break Terry, While 3 cm can be entered directly into the field or set programmatically, the display remains in points and the precise actual space can either be spot on or something very close that Word works out internally based on its measurement unit called a twip. If your student were someone else's student he or she should now be armed to impress ;-) -- Greg Maxey See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org for an eclectic collection of Word Tips. "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in ... Why would you suppose that I did not know that if you type a measurement in a box, specifying a unit other than what the box is set for, Word will substitute the value for which the box is set? It seems a fairly basic bit of knowledge (found in the opening pages of any basic Word book) that anyone who's dealt with any sort of internationalization would be aware of. On Nov 3, 5:55 am, "Greg Maxey" wrote: Mr. Daniels, As your post was not offered as help (in your own words), you have disassociated yourself from any credit that Ms. Barnhill tried to give you and "may "leave some in the group to wonder just why was it offered? To remove all doubt as to appearances, Greg was not aware. Still, he didn't need your post to make him so. Ms. Barnhill's post was good advice (again your own words) and took care of that for both Greg and Terry. Greg had not seen Ms. Barnhill or Stefan's postings (a slight altering of your own words), This gives the appearance that you had. Since you didn't post to help it appears that you were simply parroting what you had just discovered yourself, thanks to Ms. Barnhill and Stephan, while pouring out your scorn on more advanced features of Word that you don't understand or choose to explore yourself. Then unwittingly you use the information those nails and hammers provide to confirm yourself that the conversion is as close as Word can get. The answer to the basic question is still no. Whatever is successfully set either in the field or programatically the unit of measure displayed is still points. Cheers. Peter T. Daniels wrote: Greg had not seen your and Stefan's postings, because the three of you posted nearly simultaneously. My posting was not offered as help to Terry, who got good advice from you and Stefan and less good advice from Greg, who gave the appearance of being unaware that Word will translate measures typed in a measurement box into other units without the intervention of the user.. On Nov 2, 12:02 pm, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: While Peter may have been able to see my post, it's quite likely that those connnecting through the MS Communities cannot, so repetition is not a bad idea. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Mr. Daniels, Thank you for passing on what you have learned from Ms. Barnhill's reply posted 2 hours and 6 minutes previously. I'll take my nails and hammers over your empty box any day. Cheers. -- Greg Maxey See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org for an eclectic collection of Word Tips. "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message ... Once again, nails and hammers. If you type "3 cm" into the "Space After" (or "Space Before") box, Word gives you spacing that's as close to 3 cm as it can get. No need either for a macro, or for calculating the pt equivalent of the cm measurement. On Nov 2, 8:16 am, "Greg Maxey" wrote: Terry, AFAIK, no. You can change the default unit of measure to centimeters using ToolsOptionsGeneralMeasurement units but this has no effect on the units used in space before or after. Even programmatically you can only get close. You can convert cm to points using: Sub GetPointEquivelent() MsgBox CentimetersToPoints(3) End Sub Which returns 85.03937. However if this value is entered into the space before or after field Word rounds it to 85.05. You could also set it directly using: Sub ScratchMaco() Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceBefore = CentimetersToPoints(3) Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceAfter = CentimetersToPoints(3) End Sub But again Word rounds it to 85.05. See:http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm Terry Hollands wrote: Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs from 'pt' to 'cm'? I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions would be helpful. Thanks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Greg Maxey See my web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org for an eclectic collection of Word Tips. |
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