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Table text style alignment is ignored
OS: Vista SP1
App: Word 2007 SP1 Hi My Normal style is set to Justified. When I insert a table it's text alignment properties are ignored and uses previous alignment of Justified. Repro steps: 1. Delete any [Normal.dot] found 2. Create new document 3. Modify Normal to be Justified (All documents) 4. Insert some text (Justified) 5. Insert a table (Table style text alignment Left aligned) 6. On inspection Table text is Justified Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Regards Mike |
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Table text style alignment is ignored
There is a peculiar connection between the formatting of the Normal style
and the text formatting in table styles (apparently, the behavior is by design, for some reason). :-( The setting of the table style should be honored if you change back the Normal style to its default settings. (You could then use some other style than Normal for the text in the document that should be justified; be sure to add it to the template.) However, it will be a lot easier not to modify the font and paragraph settings for table styles but instead apply the appropriate *paragraph style* to format the text in cells. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Mike Faulkner" wrote in message ... OS: Vista SP1 App: Word 2007 SP1 Hi My Normal style is set to Justified. When I insert a table it's text alignment properties are ignored and uses previous alignment of Justified. Repro steps: 1. Delete any [Normal.dot] found 2. Create new document 3. Modify Normal to be Justified (All documents) 4. Insert some text (Justified) 5. Insert a table (Table style text alignment Left aligned) 6. On inspection Table text is Justified Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Regards Mike |
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Table text style alignment is ignored
Stefan
Many thanks. "Stefan Blom" wrote: There is a peculiar connection between the formatting of the Normal style and the text formatting in table styles (apparently, the behavior is by design, for some reason). :-( The setting of the table style should be honored if you change back the Normal style to its default settings. (You could then use some other style than Normal for the text in the document that should be justified; be sure to add it to the template.) However, it will be a lot easier not to modify the font and paragraph settings for table styles but instead apply the appropriate *paragraph style* to format the text in cells. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Mike Faulkner" wrote in message ... OS: Vista SP1 App: Word 2007 SP1 Hi My Normal style is set to Justified. When I insert a table it's text alignment properties are ignored and uses previous alignment of Justified. Repro steps: 1. Delete any [Normal.dot] found 2. Create new document 3. Modify Normal to be Justified (All documents) 4. Insert some text (Justified) 5. Insert a table (Table style text alignment Left aligned) 6. On inspection Table text is Justified Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Regards Mike |
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Table text style alignment is ignored
You are welcome.
FWIW, see also this article on table styles: http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/tablestyles/index.html. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Mike Faulkner" wrote in message ... Stefan Many thanks. "Stefan Blom" wrote: There is a peculiar connection between the formatting of the Normal style and the text formatting in table styles (apparently, the behavior is by design, for some reason). :-( The setting of the table style should be honored if you change back the Normal style to its default settings. (You could then use some other style than Normal for the text in the document that should be justified; be sure to add it to the template.) However, it will be a lot easier not to modify the font and paragraph settings for table styles but instead apply the appropriate *paragraph style* to format the text in cells. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Mike Faulkner" wrote in message ... OS: Vista SP1 App: Word 2007 SP1 Hi My Normal style is set to Justified. When I insert a table it's text alignment properties are ignored and uses previous alignment of Justified. Repro steps: 1. Delete any [Normal.dot] found 2. Create new document 3. Modify Normal to be Justified (All documents) 4. Insert some text (Justified) 5. Insert a table (Table style text alignment Left aligned) 6. On inspection Table text is Justified Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Regards Mike |
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Also of interest may be
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...BodyStyles.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... You are welcome. FWIW, see also this article on table styles: http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/tablestyles/index.html. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Mike Faulkner" wrote in message ... Stefan Many thanks. "Stefan Blom" wrote: There is a peculiar connection between the formatting of the Normal style and the text formatting in table styles (apparently, the behavior is by design, for some reason). :-( The setting of the table style should be honored if you change back the Normal style to its default settings. (You could then use some other style than Normal for the text in the document that should be justified; be sure to add it to the template.) However, it will be a lot easier not to modify the font and paragraph settings for table styles but instead apply the appropriate *paragraph style* to format the text in cells. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Mike Faulkner" wrote in message ... OS: Vista SP1 App: Word 2007 SP1 Hi My Normal style is set to Justified. When I insert a table it's text alignment properties are ignored and uses previous alignment of Justified. Repro steps: 1. Delete any [Normal.dot] found 2. Create new document 3. Modify Normal to be Justified (All documents) 4. Insert some text (Justified) 5. Insert a table (Table style text alignment Left aligned) 6. On inspection Table text is Justified Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Regards Mike |
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Suzanne,
Sad to say, but as you probably know, the Word programmers have abandoned your very sensible advice by setting Normal in W2007 to 1.15 line spacing plus 10 points space after. I have been recommending to my corporate clients that they change W2007's Normal to single spacing and no space after for the reasons you give--I believe I got them from one of your answers some time ago. PamC Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: Also of interest may be http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...BodyStyles.htm You are welcome. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] Regards Mike -- Message posted via http://www.officekb.com |
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I forget the actual particulars, but it seems that in previous versions
Normal was actually combining two functions: the "normal" style and the default style. In Word 2007, there's some underlying default style that is more basic than Normal (and can be divorced from it). I forget exactly how this plays out, but it has to do with the problems we saw in table styles if the font of Normal had been changed. It may be that I'm making this up and that it's just the font that this affects, not the paragraph formatting. At least MS does provide the No Spacing style, which could be used in place of Normal. Although I'm not crazy about the spacing of the new Normal (which makes it even more difficult to get an exact number of lines on a page), I like the fact that it creates what, for many users, is a more attractive format from the get-go (the amount of space between paragraphs is perhaps enough to wean users from pressing Enter twice). But I confess I've been using Word 2007 only for (a) blogging, for which the default style works well, and (b) writing letters to my daughter using an old (Word 2003) template with old styles. So I haven't had much experience with the new styles. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA "PamC via OfficeKB.com" u43222@uwe wrote in message news:87f2d53aa1c5b@uwe... Suzanne, Sad to say, but as you probably know, the Word programmers have abandoned your very sensible advice by setting Normal in W2007 to 1.15 line spacing plus 10 points space after. I have been recommending to my corporate clients that they change W2007's Normal to single spacing and no space after for the reasons you give--I believe I got them from one of your answers some time ago. PamC Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: Also of interest may be http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...BodyStyles.htm You are welcome. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] Regards Mike -- Message posted via http://www.officekb.com |
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Table text style alignment is ignored
I forget the actual particulars, but it seems that in previous versions
Normal was actually combining two functions: the "normal" style and the default style. In Word 2007, there's some underlying default style that is more basic than Normal (and can be divorced from it). I forget exactly how this plays out, but it has to do with the problems we saw in table styles if the font of Normal had been changed. It may be that I'm making this up and that it's just the font that this affects, not the paragraph formatting. I think you are referring to the fact that Word 2007 allows you to set the document defaults (on the Set Defaults tab of the Manage Styles dialog box), which is different from changing the Normal style. I'm not sure if that is directly relevant for table styles, though. FWIW, there is a thread on document defaults (in the .newusers group): Manage Styles window query http://groups.google.se/group/micros...91846ad2e7f6e/ -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I forget the actual particulars, but it seems that in previous versions Normal was actually combining two functions: the "normal" style and the default style. In Word 2007, there's some underlying default style that is more basic than Normal (and can be divorced from it). I forget exactly how this plays out, but it has to do with the problems we saw in table styles if the font of Normal had been changed. It may be that I'm making this up and that it's just the font that this affects, not the paragraph formatting. At least MS does provide the No Spacing style, which could be used in place of Normal. Although I'm not crazy about the spacing of the new Normal (which makes it even more difficult to get an exact number of lines on a page), I like the fact that it creates what, for many users, is a more attractive format from the get-go (the amount of space between paragraphs is perhaps enough to wean users from pressing Enter twice). But I confess I've been using Word 2007 only for (a) blogging, for which the default style works well, and (b) writing letters to my daughter using an old (Word 2003) template with old styles. So I haven't had much experience with the new styles. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA "PamC via OfficeKB.com" u43222@uwe wrote in message news:87f2d53aa1c5b@uwe... Suzanne, Sad to say, but as you probably know, the Word programmers have abandoned your very sensible advice by setting Normal in W2007 to 1.15 line spacing plus 10 points space after. I have been recommending to my corporate clients that they change W2007's Normal to single spacing and no space after for the reasons you give--I believe I got them from one of your answers some time ago. PamC Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: Also of interest may be http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...BodyStyles.htm You are welcome. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] Regards Mike -- Message posted via http://www.officekb.com |
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Table text style alignment is ignored
Yes, thanks, Stefan. I think that may be what I'm thinking of, though I
believe that there is also now a "default" font that is not just the font of Normal style, and that was what solved the table font problem. I notice that the definition of Normal style now explicitly includes reference to the default font (so that changing the style of Normal doesn't change the default). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... I forget the actual particulars, but it seems that in previous versions Normal was actually combining two functions: the "normal" style and the default style. In Word 2007, there's some underlying default style that is more basic than Normal (and can be divorced from it). I forget exactly how this plays out, but it has to do with the problems we saw in table styles if the font of Normal had been changed. It may be that I'm making this up and that it's just the font that this affects, not the paragraph formatting. I think you are referring to the fact that Word 2007 allows you to set the document defaults (on the Set Defaults tab of the Manage Styles dialog box), which is different from changing the Normal style. I'm not sure if that is directly relevant for table styles, though. FWIW, there is a thread on document defaults (in the .newusers group): Manage Styles window query http://groups.google.se/group/micros...91846ad2e7f6e/ -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I forget the actual particulars, but it seems that in previous versions Normal was actually combining two functions: the "normal" style and the default style. In Word 2007, there's some underlying default style that is more basic than Normal (and can be divorced from it). I forget exactly how this plays out, but it has to do with the problems we saw in table styles if the font of Normal had been changed. It may be that I'm making this up and that it's just the font that this affects, not the paragraph formatting. At least MS does provide the No Spacing style, which could be used in place of Normal. Although I'm not crazy about the spacing of the new Normal (which makes it even more difficult to get an exact number of lines on a page), I like the fact that it creates what, for many users, is a more attractive format from the get-go (the amount of space between paragraphs is perhaps enough to wean users from pressing Enter twice). But I confess I've been using Word 2007 only for (a) blogging, for which the default style works well, and (b) writing letters to my daughter using an old (Word 2003) template with old styles. So I haven't had much experience with the new styles. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA "PamC via OfficeKB.com" u43222@uwe wrote in message news:87f2d53aa1c5b@uwe... Suzanne, Sad to say, but as you probably know, the Word programmers have abandoned your very sensible advice by setting Normal in W2007 to 1.15 line spacing plus 10 points space after. I have been recommending to my corporate clients that they change W2007's Normal to single spacing and no space after for the reasons you give--I believe I got them from one of your answers some time ago. PamC Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: Also of interest may be http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...BodyStyles.htm You are welcome. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] Regards Mike -- Message posted via http://www.officekb.com |
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Table text style alignment is ignored
By table font problem do you mean the one where the table font size (in a
table style) cannot be set smaller than Normal? Could be interesting. One of the first things I did was change Normal to my liking (11 pts, single spacing). But some of the other styles showed up with the extra spacing. At the time I didn't know what to look for in the styles definitions. I found the default dialog by accident one day and changed the settings there to my liking as well. No more problems. So, yes, Normal and default are separate. PamC Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: Yes, thanks, Stefan. I think that may be what I'm thinking of, though I believe that there is also now a "default" font that is not just the font of Normal style, and that was what solved the table font problem. I notice that the definition of Normal style now explicitly includes reference to the default font (so that changing the style of Normal doesn't change the default). I forget the actual particulars, but it seems that in previous versions Normal was actually combining two functions: the "normal" style and the [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] Regards Mike -- Message posted via OfficeKB.com http://www.officekb.com/Uwe/Forums.a...ables/200808/1 |
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