Copied document in 6x9 page format, Garamond 12pt font, 1.5 spacing to blank
word document 8 1/2x11 format, Courier New 12pt font, double spacing. Word
count in document #2 shows 1686 less in word count than document #1. Printing
sample pages show the two documents are word for word. Anyone know what's
going on?

What version of Word are you using? I tried to duplicate the problem
by following your steps with Word 2003...but I didn't have a problem.
Both came out the exact same.


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Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

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On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:28:04 -0700, "rainyman"
wrote:

Copied document in 6x9 page format, Garamond 12pt font, 1.5 spacing to blank
word document 8 1/2x11 format, Courier New 12pt font, double spacing. Word
count in document #2 shows 1686 less in word count than document #1. Printing
sample pages show the two documents are word for word. Anyone know what's
going on?

I am using Word 2003 from the Office 2003 package. The document is a novel.
Originally the document was in 8 1/2 x 11, 1 inch margins, 1.5 header and
footer, Courier New 12pt font, and double spaced. I clicked select all,
copied and pasted that into a 6 x 9 format, .3 left gutter, mirror image, .5
header and footer, Garamond 12pt font, 1.5 line spacing. I edited and revised
in the 6 x 9 format for printing purposes. I then clicked select all and
copied the 6 x 9 document, pasting that back into an 8 1/2 x 11 format as
described above. I have just done another word count and the 6 x 9 document
is reporting 106,736 words, while the 8 1/2 x 11 document is reporting 104,
993 words, a difference of 1,743. The page difference between the two
documents is as follows: 6 x 9 = 512 pages, 8 1/2 x 11 = 469 pages. I printed
out the same chapter from each version and read them side by side. The are
exactly the same, word for word. The question remains, what word count do I
report when submitting for publishing consideration? I appreciate any help
you can offer. rainyman

"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

What version of Word are you using? I tried to duplicate the problem
by following your steps with Word 2003...but I didn't have a problem.
Both came out the exact same.


Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant
Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

Help Katrina's Homeless Animals: http://www.mousetrax.com/pets.html

Free Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax
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On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:28:04 -0700, "rainyman"
wrote:

Copied document in 6x9 page format, Garamond 12pt font, 1.5 spacing to blank
word document 8 1/2x11 format, Courier New 12pt font, double spacing. Word
count in document #2 shows 1686 less in word count than document #1. Printing
sample pages show the two documents are word for word. Anyone know what's
going on?

Did you add any manual page breaks to the 6x9 document? Are you sure the
word count in both docs is updated?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"rainyman" wrote in message
...
I am using Word 2003 from the Office 2003 package. The document is a
novel.
Originally the document was in 8 1/2 x 11, 1 inch margins, 1.5 header and
footer, Courier New 12pt font, and double spaced. I clicked select all,
copied and pasted that into a 6 x 9 format, .3 left gutter, mirror image,
..5
header and footer, Garamond 12pt font, 1.5 line spacing. I edited and
revised
in the 6 x 9 format for printing purposes. I then clicked select all and
copied the 6 x 9 document, pasting that back into an 8 1/2 x 11 format as
described above. I have just done another word count and the 6 x 9
document
is reporting 106,736 words, while the 8 1/2 x 11 document is reporting
104,
993 words, a difference of 1,743. The page difference between the two
documents is as follows: 6 x 9 = 512 pages, 8 1/2 x 11 = 469 pages. I
printed
out the same chapter from each version and read them side by side. The are
exactly the same, word for word. The question remains, what word count do
I
report when submitting for publishing consideration? I appreciate any help
you can offer. rainyman

"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

What version of Word are you using? I tried to duplicate the problem
by following your steps with Word 2003...but I didn't have a problem.
Both came out the exact same.


Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant
Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

Help Katrina's Homeless Animals: http://www.mousetrax.com/pets.html

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On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:28:04 -0700, "rainyman"
wrote:

Copied document in 6x9 page format, Garamond 12pt font, 1.5 spacing to
blank
word document 8 1/2x11 format, Courier New 12pt font, double spacing.
Word
count in document #2 shows 1686 less in word count than document #1.
Printing
sample pages show the two documents are word for word. Anyone know
what's
going on?

I didn't add page breaks to the document, I have no idea how to accomplish
that operation. This was the first time I've used the 6 X 9 feature. The word
count on the original document was updated daily. When revising and editing
the 6 x 9 document that was updated daily. Word count is extremely important
when submitting material to agents or for publication. Most writers are
cognizant of that fact. Thank you for your interest. Rainyman

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Did you add any manual page breaks to the 6x9 document? Are you sure the
word count in both docs is updated?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"rainyman" wrote in message
...
I am using Word 2003 from the Office 2003 package. The document is a
novel.
Originally the document was in 8 1/2 x 11, 1 inch margins, 1.5 header and
footer, Courier New 12pt font, and double spaced. I clicked select all,
copied and pasted that into a 6 x 9 format, .3 left gutter, mirror image,
..5
header and footer, Garamond 12pt font, 1.5 line spacing. I edited and
revised
in the 6 x 9 format for printing purposes. I then clicked select all and
copied the 6 x 9 document, pasting that back into an 8 1/2 x 11 format as
described above. I have just done another word count and the 6 x 9
document
is reporting 106,736 words, while the 8 1/2 x 11 document is reporting
104,
993 words, a difference of 1,743. The page difference between the two
documents is as follows: 6 x 9 = 512 pages, 8 1/2 x 11 = 469 pages. I
printed
out the same chapter from each version and read them side by side. The are
exactly the same, word for word. The question remains, what word count do
I
report when submitting for publishing consideration? I appreciate any help
you can offer. rainyman

"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

What version of Word are you using? I tried to duplicate the problem
by following your steps with Word 2003...but I didn't have a problem.
Both came out the exact same.


Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant
Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

Help Katrina's Homeless Animals: http://www.mousetrax.com/pets.html

Free Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax
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Learn VBA the easy way: http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html



On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:28:04 -0700, "rainyman"
wrote:

Copied document in 6x9 page format, Garamond 12pt font, 1.5 spacing to
blank
word document 8 1/2x11 format, Courier New 12pt font, double spacing.
Word
count in document #2 shows 1686 less in word count than document #1.
Printing
sample pages show the two documents are word for word. Anyone know
what's
going on?

What "6 X 9 feature"? If you are using an add-in of some kind, there's no
telling what it may be adding to the doc.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"rainyman" wrote in message
...
I didn't add page breaks to the document, I have no idea how to accomplish
that operation. This was the first time I've used the 6 X 9 feature. The
word
count on the original document was updated daily. When revising and
editing
the 6 x 9 document that was updated daily. Word count is extremely
important
when submitting material to agents or for publication. Most writers are
cognizant of that fact. Thank you for your interest. Rainyman

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Did you add any manual page breaks to the 6x9 document? Are you sure the
word count in both docs is updated?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"rainyman" wrote in message
...
I am using Word 2003 from the Office 2003 package. The document is a
novel.
Originally the document was in 8 1/2 x 11, 1 inch margins, 1.5 header
and
footer, Courier New 12pt font, and double spaced. I clicked select
all,
copied and pasted that into a 6 x 9 format, .3 left gutter, mirror
image,
..5
header and footer, Garamond 12pt font, 1.5 line spacing. I edited and
revised
in the 6 x 9 format for printing purposes. I then clicked select all
and
copied the 6 x 9 document, pasting that back into an 8 1/2 x 11 format
as
described above. I have just done another word count and the 6 x 9
document
is reporting 106,736 words, while the 8 1/2 x 11 document is reporting
104,
993 words, a difference of 1,743. The page difference between the two
documents is as follows: 6 x 9 = 512 pages, 8 1/2 x 11 = 469 pages. I
printed
out the same chapter from each version and read them side by side. The
are
exactly the same, word for word. The question remains, what word count
do
I
report when submitting for publishing consideration? I appreciate any
help
you can offer. rainyman

"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

What version of Word are you using? I tried to duplicate the problem
by following your steps with Word 2003...but I didn't have a
problem.
Both came out the exact same.


Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant
Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

Help Katrina's Homeless Animals: http://www.mousetrax.com/pets.html

Free Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax
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Learn VBA the easy way: http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html



On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:28:04 -0700, "rainyman"
wrote:

Copied document in 6x9 page format, Garamond 12pt font, 1.5 spacing
to
blank
word document 8 1/2x11 format, Courier New 12pt font, double
spacing.
Word
count in document #2 shows 1686 less in word count than document
#1.
Printing
sample pages show the two documents are word for word. Anyone know
what's
going on?

Poor choice of words. I meant that I went into Page Setup, then Paper and
chose Custom size going from 8 1/2 x 11 to 6 x 9. I've also discovered I have
another problem in that all Chapters should start on an odd numbered page.
This leaves a blank page with a number in the header. Is there a way to
delete the numbers on the blank pages only? I apologize for the dumb
questions and appreciate the help.
rainyman

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

What "6 X 9 feature"? If you are using an add-in of some kind, there's no
telling what it may be adding to the doc.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"rainyman" wrote in message
...
I didn't add page breaks to the document, I have no idea how to accomplish
that operation. This was the first time I've used the 6 X 9 feature. The
word
count on the original document was updated daily. When revising and
editing
the 6 x 9 document that was updated daily. Word count is extremely
important
when submitting material to agents or for publication. Most writers are
cognizant of that fact. Thank you for your interest. Rainyman

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Did you add any manual page breaks to the 6x9 document? Are you sure the
word count in both docs is updated?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"rainyman" wrote in message
...
I am using Word 2003 from the Office 2003 package. The document is a
novel.
Originally the document was in 8 1/2 x 11, 1 inch margins, 1.5 header
and
footer, Courier New 12pt font, and double spaced. I clicked select
all,
copied and pasted that into a 6 x 9 format, .3 left gutter, mirror
image,
..5
header and footer, Garamond 12pt font, 1.5 line spacing. I edited and
revised
in the 6 x 9 format for printing purposes. I then clicked select all
and
copied the 6 x 9 document, pasting that back into an 8 1/2 x 11 format
as
described above. I have just done another word count and the 6 x 9
document
is reporting 106,736 words, while the 8 1/2 x 11 document is reporting
104,
993 words, a difference of 1,743. The page difference between the two
documents is as follows: 6 x 9 = 512 pages, 8 1/2 x 11 = 469 pages. I
printed
out the same chapter from each version and read them side by side. The
are
exactly the same, word for word. The question remains, what word count
do
I
report when submitting for publishing consideration? I appreciate any
help
you can offer. rainyman

"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

What version of Word are you using? I tried to duplicate the problem
by following your steps with Word 2003...but I didn't have a
problem.
Both came out the exact same.


Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant
Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

Help Katrina's Homeless Animals: http://www.mousetrax.com/pets.html

Free Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax
Optimize your business docs: http://www.mousetrax.com/consulting
Learn VBA the easy way: http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html



On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:28:04 -0700, "rainyman"
wrote:

Copied document in 6x9 page format, Garamond 12pt font, 1.5 spacing
to
blank
word document 8 1/2x11 format, Courier New 12pt font, double
spacing.
Word
count in document #2 shows 1686 less in word count than document
#1.
Printing
sample pages show the two documents are word for word. Anyone know
what's
going on?

If you use an "Odd page" section break at the beginning of each chapter,
then Word will insert an entirely blank even page as required at the end of
the previous chapter.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"rainyman" wrote in message
...
Poor choice of words. I meant that I went into Page Setup, then Paper and
chose Custom size going from 8 1/2 x 11 to 6 x 9. I've also discovered I
have
another problem in that all Chapters should start on an odd numbered page.
This leaves a blank page with a number in the header. Is there a way to
delete the numbers on the blank pages only? I apologize for the dumb
questions and appreciate the help.
rainyman

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

What "6 X 9 feature"? If you are using an add-in of some kind, there's
no
telling what it may be adding to the doc.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"rainyman" wrote in message
...
I didn't add page breaks to the document, I have no idea how to
accomplish
that operation. This was the first time I've used the 6 X 9 feature.
The
word
count on the original document was updated daily. When revising and
editing
the 6 x 9 document that was updated daily. Word count is extremely
important
when submitting material to agents or for publication. Most writers
are
cognizant of that fact. Thank you for your interest. Rainyman

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Did you add any manual page breaks to the 6x9 document? Are you sure
the
word count in both docs is updated?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"rainyman" wrote in message
...
I am using Word 2003 from the Office 2003 package. The document is
a
novel.
Originally the document was in 8 1/2 x 11, 1 inch margins, 1.5
header
and
footer, Courier New 12pt font, and double spaced. I clicked select
all,
copied and pasted that into a 6 x 9 format, .3 left gutter, mirror
image,
..5
header and footer, Garamond 12pt font, 1.5 line spacing. I edited
and
revised
in the 6 x 9 format for printing purposes. I then clicked select
all
and
copied the 6 x 9 document, pasting that back into an 8 1/2 x 11
format
as
described above. I have just done another word count and the 6 x 9
document
is reporting 106,736 words, while the 8 1/2 x 11 document is
reporting
104,
993 words, a difference of 1,743. The page difference between the
two
documents is as follows: 6 x 9 = 512 pages, 8 1/2 x 11 = 469
pages. I
printed
out the same chapter from each version and read them side by side.
The
are
exactly the same, word for word. The question remains, what word
count
do
I
report when submitting for publishing consideration? I appreciate
any
help
you can offer. rainyman

"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

What version of Word are you using? I tried to duplicate the
problem
by following your steps with Word 2003...but I didn't have a
problem.
Both came out the exact same.


Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant
Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

Help Katrina's Homeless Animals:
http://www.mousetrax.com/pets.html

Free Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax
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Learn VBA the easy way:
http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html



On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:28:04 -0700, "rainyman"
wrote:

Copied document in 6x9 page format, Garamond 12pt font, 1.5
spacing
to
blank
word document 8 1/2x11 format, Courier New 12pt font, double
spacing.
Word
count in document #2 shows 1686 less in word count than
document
#1.
Printing
sample pages show the two documents are word for word. Anyone
know
what's
going on?

Thank you very much for your help regarding the section break and how it will
help solve my problem with blank, unnumbered pages. I clicked on your MVP
site and found an excellent tutorial on page numbering. I'm a writer, but a
complete boob when it comes to understanding all the things the Word program
can do. Again, thank you for your help.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

If you use an "Odd page" section break at the beginning of each chapter,
then Word will insert an entirely blank even page as required at the end of
the previous chapter.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"rainyman" wrote in message
...
Poor choice of words. I meant that I went into Page Setup, then Paper and
chose Custom size going from 8 1/2 x 11 to 6 x 9. I've also discovered I
have
another problem in that all Chapters should start on an odd numbered page.
This leaves a blank page with a number in the header. Is there a way to
delete the numbers on the blank pages only? I apologize for the dumb
questions and appreciate the help.
rainyman

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

What "6 X 9 feature"? If you are using an add-in of some kind, there's
no
telling what it may be adding to the doc.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"rainyman" wrote in message
...
I didn't add page breaks to the document, I have no idea how to
accomplish
that operation. This was the first time I've used the 6 X 9 feature.
The
word
count on the original document was updated daily. When revising and
editing
the 6 x 9 document that was updated daily. Word count is extremely
important
when submitting material to agents or for publication. Most writers
are
cognizant of that fact. Thank you for your interest. Rainyman

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Did you add any manual page breaks to the 6x9 document? Are you sure
the
word count in both docs is updated?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"rainyman" wrote in message
...
I am using Word 2003 from the Office 2003 package. The document is
a
novel.
Originally the document was in 8 1/2 x 11, 1 inch margins, 1.5
header
and
footer, Courier New 12pt font, and double spaced. I clicked select
all,
copied and pasted that into a 6 x 9 format, .3 left gutter, mirror
image,
..5
header and footer, Garamond 12pt font, 1.5 line spacing. I edited
and
revised
in the 6 x 9 format for printing purposes. I then clicked select
all
and
copied the 6 x 9 document, pasting that back into an 8 1/2 x 11
format
as
described above. I have just done another word count and the 6 x 9
document
is reporting 106,736 words, while the 8 1/2 x 11 document is
reporting
104,
993 words, a difference of 1,743. The page difference between the
two
documents is as follows: 6 x 9 = 512 pages, 8 1/2 x 11 = 469
pages. I
printed
out the same chapter from each version and read them side by side.
The
are
exactly the same, word for word. The question remains, what word
count
do
I
report when submitting for publishing consideration? I appreciate
any
help
you can offer. rainyman

"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

What version of Word are you using? I tried to duplicate the
problem
by following your steps with Word 2003...but I didn't have a
problem.
Both came out the exact same.


Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant
Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

Help Katrina's Homeless Animals:
http://www.mousetrax.com/pets.html

Free Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax
Optimize your business docs: http://www.mousetrax.com/consulting
Learn VBA the easy way:
http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html



On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:28:04 -0700, "rainyman"
wrote:

Copied document in 6x9 page format, Garamond 12pt font, 1.5
spacing
to
blank
word document 8 1/2x11 format, Courier New 12pt font, double
spacing.
Word
count in document #2 shows 1686 less in word count than
document
#1.
Printing
sample pages show the two documents are word for word. Anyone
know
what's
going on?

So did that solve your word count problem?

Because, after seeing Jay's comments about hidden text in the above
thread, I tried a test and realized that hidden text, even if shown
and selected, isn't counted. So if there's any chance that any portion
of the content ended up having hidden text applied, that might be the
problem? Just a thought...since I couldn't tell if you were thanking
Suzanne for yet another solution or THE solution.smile

Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant
Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

Help Katrina's Homeless Animals: http://www.mousetrax.com/pets.html

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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:51:01 -0700, "rainyman"
wrote:

Thank you very much for your help regarding the section break and how it will
help solve my problem with blank, unnumbered pages. I clicked on your MVP
site and found an excellent tutorial on page numbering. I'm a writer, but a
complete boob when it comes to understanding all the things the Word program
can do. Again, thank you for your help.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

If you use an "Odd page" section break at the beginning of each chapter,
then Word will insert an entirely blank even page as required at the end of
the previous chapter.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"rainyman" wrote in message
...
Poor choice of words. I meant that I went into Page Setup, then Paper and
chose Custom size going from 8 1/2 x 11 to 6 x 9. I've also discovered I
have
another problem in that all Chapters should start on an odd numbered page.
This leaves a blank page with a number in the header. Is there a way to
delete the numbers on the blank pages only? I apologize for the dumb
questions and appreciate the help.
rainyman

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

What "6 X 9 feature"? If you are using an add-in of some kind, there's
no
telling what it may be adding to the doc.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"rainyman" wrote in message
...
I didn't add page breaks to the document, I have no idea how to
accomplish
that operation. This was the first time I've used the 6 X 9 feature.
The
word
count on the original document was updated daily. When revising and
editing
the 6 x 9 document that was updated daily. Word count is extremely
important
when submitting material to agents or for publication. Most writers
are
cognizant of that fact. Thank you for your interest. Rainyman

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Did you add any manual page breaks to the 6x9 document? Are you sure
the
word count in both docs is updated?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
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all may benefit.

"rainyman" wrote in message
...
I am using Word 2003 from the Office 2003 package. The document is
a
novel.
Originally the document was in 8 1/2 x 11, 1 inch margins, 1.5
header
and
footer, Courier New 12pt font, and double spaced. I clicked select
all,
copied and pasted that into a 6 x 9 format, .3 left gutter, mirror
image,
..5
header and footer, Garamond 12pt font, 1.5 line spacing. I edited
and
revised
in the 6 x 9 format for printing purposes. I then clicked select
all
and
copied the 6 x 9 document, pasting that back into an 8 1/2 x 11
format
as
described above. I have just done another word count and the 6 x 9
document
is reporting 106,736 words, while the 8 1/2 x 11 document is
reporting
104,
993 words, a difference of 1,743. The page difference between the
two
documents is as follows: 6 x 9 = 512 pages, 8 1/2 x 11 = 469
pages. I
printed
out the same chapter from each version and read them side by side.
The
are
exactly the same, word for word. The question remains, what word
count
do
I
report when submitting for publishing consideration? I appreciate
any
help
you can offer. rainyman

"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

What version of Word are you using? I tried to duplicate the
problem
by following your steps with Word 2003...but I didn't have a
problem.
Both came out the exact same.


Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant
Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

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On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:28:04 -0700, "rainyman"
wrote:

Copied document in 6x9 page format, Garamond 12pt font, 1.5
spacing
to
blank
word document 8 1/2x11 format, Courier New 12pt font, double
spacing.
Word
count in document #2 shows 1686 less in word count than
document
#1.
Printing
sample pages show the two documents are word for word. Anyone
know
what's
going on?

I wondered the same thing. I don't think the word count issue is resolved. I
haven't any idea how to account for the discrepancy.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote in message
...
So did that solve your word count problem?

Because, after seeing Jay's comments about hidden text in the above
thread, I tried a test and realized that hidden text, even if shown
and selected, isn't counted. So if there's any chance that any portion
of the content ended up having hidden text applied, that might be the
problem? Just a thought...since I couldn't tell if you were thanking
Suzanne for yet another solution or THE solution.smile

Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant
Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:51:01 -0700, "rainyman"
wrote:

Thank you very much for your help regarding the section break and how it
will
help solve my problem with blank, unnumbered pages. I clicked on your MVP
site and found an excellent tutorial on page numbering. I'm a writer, but
a
complete boob when it comes to understanding all the things the Word
program
can do. Again, thank you for your help.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

If you use an "Odd page" section break at the beginning of each
chapter,
then Word will insert an entirely blank even page as required at the
end of
the previous chapter.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"rainyman" wrote in message
...
Poor choice of words. I meant that I went into Page Setup, then Paper
and
chose Custom size going from 8 1/2 x 11 to 6 x 9. I've also
discovered I
have
another problem in that all Chapters should start on an odd numbered
page.
This leaves a blank page with a number in the header. Is there a way
to
delete the numbers on the blank pages only? I apologize for the dumb
questions and appreciate the help.
rainyman

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

What "6 X 9 feature"? If you are using an add-in of some kind,
there's
no
telling what it may be adding to the doc.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"rainyman" wrote in message
...
I didn't add page breaks to the document, I have no idea how to
accomplish
that operation. This was the first time I've used the 6 X 9
feature.
The
word
count on the original document was updated daily. When revising
and
editing
the 6 x 9 document that was updated daily. Word count is
extremely
important
when submitting material to agents or for publication. Most
writers
are
cognizant of that fact. Thank you for your interest. Rainyman

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Did you add any manual page breaks to the 6x9 document? Are you
sure
the
word count in both docs is updated?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"rainyman" wrote in
message
...
I am using Word 2003 from the Office 2003 package. The
document is
a
novel.
Originally the document was in 8 1/2 x 11, 1 inch margins,
1.5
header
and
footer, Courier New 12pt font, and double spaced. I clicked
select
all,
copied and pasted that into a 6 x 9 format, .3 left gutter,
mirror
image,
..5
header and footer, Garamond 12pt font, 1.5 line spacing. I
edited
and
revised
in the 6 x 9 format for printing purposes. I then clicked
select
all
and
copied the 6 x 9 document, pasting that back into an 8 1/2 x
11
format
as
described above. I have just done another word count and the
6 x 9
document
is reporting 106,736 words, while the 8 1/2 x 11 document is
reporting
104,
993 words, a difference of 1,743. The page difference between
the
two
documents is as follows: 6 x 9 = 512 pages, 8 1/2 x 11 = 469
pages. I
printed
out the same chapter from each version and read them side by
side.
The
are
exactly the same, word for word. The question remains, what
word
count
do
I
report when submitting for publishing consideration? I
appreciate
any
help
you can offer. rainyman

"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

What version of Word are you using? I tried to duplicate
the
problem
by following your steps with Word 2003...but I didn't have
a
problem.
Both came out the exact same.


Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant
Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

Help Katrina's Homeless Animals:
http://www.mousetrax.com/pets.html

Free Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax
Optimize your business docs:
http://www.mousetrax.com/consulting
Learn VBA the easy way:
http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html



On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:28:04 -0700, "rainyman"
wrote:

Copied document in 6x9 page format, Garamond 12pt font,
1.5
spacing
to
blank
word document 8 1/2x11 format, Courier New 12pt font,
double
spacing.
Word
count in document #2 shows 1686 less in word count than
document
#1.
Printing
sample pages show the two documents are word for word.
Anyone
know
what's
going on?

No, I haven't yet solved the word count problem, but it's not so worrisome
because I can use the standard manuscript format and take that as the word
count. The hidden text theory is probably what's going on, I'm just not savvy
enough to understand it or figure out how to correct it. The page numbering
is solved. Thanks to all of you folks who helped, really appreciate your time
and trouble. If any of you would like to read a great book check
www.hydescorner.com in the next couple of weeks. Thanks again.
Rainyman

"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

So did that solve your word count problem?

Because, after seeing Jay's comments about hidden text in the above
thread, I tried a test and realized that hidden text, even if shown
and selected, isn't counted. So if there's any chance that any portion
of the content ended up having hidden text applied, that might be the
problem? Just a thought...since I couldn't tell if you were thanking
Suzanne for yet another solution or THE solution.smile

Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant
Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

Help Katrina's Homeless Animals: http://www.mousetrax.com/pets.html

Free Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax
Optimize your business docs: http://www.mousetrax.com/consulting
Learn VBA the easy way: http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html


On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:51:01 -0700, "rainyman"
wrote:

Thank you very much for your help regarding the section break and how it will
help solve my problem with blank, unnumbered pages. I clicked on your MVP
site and found an excellent tutorial on page numbering. I'm a writer, but a
complete boob when it comes to understanding all the things the Word program
can do. Again, thank you for your help.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

If you use an "Odd page" section break at the beginning of each chapter,
then Word will insert an entirely blank even page as required at the end of
the previous chapter.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"rainyman" wrote in message
...
Poor choice of words. I meant that I went into Page Setup, then Paper and
chose Custom size going from 8 1/2 x 11 to 6 x 9. I've also discovered I
have
another problem in that all Chapters should start on an odd numbered page.
This leaves a blank page with a number in the header. Is there a way to
delete the numbers on the blank pages only? I apologize for the dumb
questions and appreciate the help.
rainyman

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

What "6 X 9 feature"? If you are using an add-in of some kind, there's
no
telling what it may be adding to the doc.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"rainyman" wrote in message
...
I didn't add page breaks to the document, I have no idea how to
accomplish
that operation. This was the first time I've used the 6 X 9 feature.
The
word
count on the original document was updated daily. When revising and
editing
the 6 x 9 document that was updated daily. Word count is extremely
important
when submitting material to agents or for publication. Most writers
are
cognizant of that fact. Thank you for your interest. Rainyman

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Did you add any manual page breaks to the 6x9 document? Are you sure
the
word count in both docs is updated?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"rainyman" wrote in message
...
I am using Word 2003 from the Office 2003 package. The document is
a
novel.
Originally the document was in 8 1/2 x 11, 1 inch margins, 1.5
header
and
footer, Courier New 12pt font, and double spaced. I clicked select
all,
copied and pasted that into a 6 x 9 format, .3 left gutter, mirror
image,
..5
header and footer, Garamond 12pt font, 1.5 line spacing. I edited
and
revised
in the 6 x 9 format for printing purposes. I then clicked select
all
and
copied the 6 x 9 document, pasting that back into an 8 1/2 x 11
format
as
described above. I have just done another word count and the 6 x 9
document
is reporting 106,736 words, while the 8 1/2 x 11 document is
reporting
104,
993 words, a difference of 1,743. The page difference between the
two
documents is as follows: 6 x 9 = 512 pages, 8 1/2 x 11 = 469
pages. I
printed
out the same chapter from each version and read them side by side.
The
are
exactly the same, word for word. The question remains, what word
count
do
I
report when submitting for publishing consideration? I appreciate
any
help
you can offer. rainyman

"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

What version of Word are you using? I tried to duplicate the
problem
by following your steps with Word 2003...but I didn't have a
problem.
Both came out the exact same.


Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant
Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

Help Katrina's Homeless Animals:
http://www.mousetrax.com/pets.html

Free Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax
Optimize your business docs: http://www.mousetrax.com/consulting
Learn VBA the easy way:
http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html



On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:28:04 -0700, "rainyman"
wrote:

Copied document in 6x9 page format, Garamond 12pt font, 1.5
spacing
to
blank
word document 8 1/2x11 format, Courier New 12pt font, double
spacing.
Word
count in document #2 shows 1686 less in word count than
document
#1.
Printing
sample pages show the two documents are word for word. Anyone
know
what's
going on?