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What a disappointment. A big dumb problem in Word2002 (and previous versions)
is that when you protect any part of the document you can no longer insert textboxes into any part of the document. Disaster for those creating a managed document for users who want to add their own content to unprotected sections. Does anyone have any idea how to get around this behavior - I can't believe, after several years, Word still does this! -- Big Dave |
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I just noticed also that you CAN put in a new canvas, but you then CAN'T put
a drawing (or textbox) in it!!!! Argh! I'm crossing my fingers real hard that this is not the 'finished' implementation (I have the trial version) but I think I'm gong to be disappointed (and suicidal when I'm asked to develop with it again) -- Big Dave "Big Dave" wrote: What a disappointment. A big dumb problem in Word2002 (and previous versions) is that when you protect any part of the document you can no longer insert textboxes into any part of the document. Disaster for those creating a managed document for users who want to add their own content to unprotected sections. Does anyone have any idea how to get around this behavior - I can't believe, after several years, Word still does this! -- Big Dave |
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Hi Dave,
The Office 2007 60 day trial editions are the released product. Remember that tip from Word 6 though "No running with scissors". =============== "Big Dave" wrote in message ... I just noticed also that you CAN put in a new canvas, but you then CAN'T put a drawing (or textbox) in it!!!! Argh! I'm crossing my fingers real hard that this is not the 'finished' implementation (I have the trial version) but I think I'm gong to be disappointed (and suicidal when I'm asked to develop with it again) -- Big Dave -- Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office System Products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends* |
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Oh dear Disappointed I guess you don't know of a workaround?
-- Big Dave "Bob Buckland ?:-)" wrote: Hi Dave, The Office 2007 60 day trial editions are the released product. Remember that tip from Word 6 though "No running with scissors". =============== "Big Dave" wrote in message ... I just noticed also that you CAN put in a new canvas, but you then CAN'T put a drawing (or textbox) in it!!!! Argh! I'm crossing my fingers real hard that this is not the 'finished' implementation (I have the trial version) but I think I'm gong to be disappointed (and suicidal when I'm asked to develop with it again) |
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Hi ?B?QmlnIERhdmU=?=,
What a disappointment. A big dumb problem in Word2002 (and previous versions) is that when you protect any part of the document you can no longer insert textboxes into any part of the document. Disaster for those creating a managed document for users who want to add their own content to unprotected sections. Does anyone have any idea how to get around this behavior - I can't believe, after several years, Word still does this! I recommend taking a look at the new Content Controls (in the Developer tab). You can look these for editing, or deletion. The user can TAB from one to the next... All without needing to use the document protection that locks out other commands in the entire document. In addition, there's a control for inserting images :-) So Microsoft did hear the complaints about using Forms protection. To get a forms-like behavior (protect text), type in all your text, with the input controls. Then select all this and click the button for a Rich Text content control. This will nest all the text and controls in that one control. You can then set the Properties for this control to not allow editing or deleting. The nested controls will still be available to the user, however :-) And, if you wish, you can leave parts of the document outside any content control. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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Thanks for that reply. The content controls look useful, yes, but they won't
do what I need, it seems. One of the most basic requirements for my users is to be able to make content changes without affecting document format, which means I need to stop them from deleting section breaks. Try putting a section break into a content control. If you manage that (I did at one point though it behaved bizarrely and I can't seem to do it again) try putting just a continuous section break in one and make it so it doesn't interfere with editting the document. I would really appreciate any help with this. Thanks. -- Big Dave "Cindy M." wrote: Hi ?B?QmlnIERhdmU=?=, What a disappointment. A big dumb problem in Word2002 (and previous versions) is that when you protect any part of the document you can no longer insert textboxes into any part of the document. Disaster for those creating a managed document for users who want to add their own content to unprotected sections. Does anyone have any idea how to get around this behavior - I can't believe, after several years, Word still does this! I recommend taking a look at the new Content Controls (in the Developer tab). You can look these for editing, or deletion. The user can TAB from one to the next... All without needing to use the document protection that locks out other commands in the entire document. In addition, there's a control for inserting images :-) So Microsoft did hear the complaints about using Forms protection. To get a forms-like behavior (protect text), type in all your text, with the input controls. Then select all this and click the button for a Rich Text content control. This will nest all the text and controls in that one control. You can then set the Properties for this control to not allow editing or deleting. The nested controls will still be available to the user, however :-) And, if you wish, you can leave parts of the document outside any content control. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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If you can achieve the formatting you need with paragraph styles and
character styles instead of section breaks, then you can protect the document against formatting changes without disabling other functions. The formatting restrictions feature lets you choose which styles may be applied, and prevents direct (non-style) formatting. This feature was introduced in Word 2003. In Word 2007, click the Developer tab. (If it isn't visible, enable it in the Word Options dialog.) Click the Protect Document button. In the task pane that appears, check the box for "Limit formatting to a selection of styles" and then click the Settings link below it. Choose the styles you want the user to be able to apply. Then click the Start Enforcing Protection button, and supply an optional password. This feature won't prevent the user from deleting section breaks, so if you're mostly worried about page margins, headers/footers and the like, this is not the answer -- and I'm not sure there is one. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 02:19:00 -0800, Big Dave wrote: Thanks for that reply. The content controls look useful, yes, but they won't do what I need, it seems. One of the most basic requirements for my users is to be able to make content changes without affecting document format, which means I need to stop them from deleting section breaks. Try putting a section break into a content control. If you manage that (I did at one point though it behaved bizarrely and I can't seem to do it again) try putting just a continuous section break in one and make it so it doesn't interfere with editting the document. I would really appreciate any help with this. Thanks. |
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But don't content controls allow you even more control over overall document
formatting? I certainly got that impression from Tristan Davis's demos. For Tristan Davis's blogs on content controls, see http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_offi...s/default.aspx -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jay Freedman" wrote in message ... If you can achieve the formatting you need with paragraph styles and character styles instead of section breaks, then you can protect the document against formatting changes without disabling other functions. The formatting restrictions feature lets you choose which styles may be applied, and prevents direct (non-style) formatting. This feature was introduced in Word 2003. In Word 2007, click the Developer tab. (If it isn't visible, enable it in the Word Options dialog.) Click the Protect Document button. In the task pane that appears, check the box for "Limit formatting to a selection of styles" and then click the Settings link below it. Choose the styles you want the user to be able to apply. Then click the Start Enforcing Protection button, and supply an optional password. This feature won't prevent the user from deleting section breaks, so if you're mostly worried about page margins, headers/footers and the like, this is not the answer -- and I'm not sure there is one. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 02:19:00 -0800, Big Dave wrote: Thanks for that reply. The content controls look useful, yes, but they won't do what I need, it seems. One of the most basic requirements for my users is to be able to make content changes without affecting document format, which means I need to stop them from deleting section breaks. Try putting a section break into a content control. If you manage that (I did at one point though it behaved bizarrely and I can't seem to do it again) try putting just a continuous section break in one and make it so it doesn't interfere with editting the document. I would really appreciate any help with this. Thanks. |
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Whether they do or don't, the question is still whether the desired
formatting can be done at all without the need for section breaks. If the OP's concern is with users deleting section breaks and taking with them things like headers/footers, then neither style restriction nor content controls is going to solve the problem. Word has no way to lock down section breaks other than using forms protection, and that disables other functions. It's not a good story. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: But don't content controls allow you even more control over overall document formatting? I certainly got that impression from Tristan Davis's demos. For Tristan Davis's blogs on content controls, see http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_offi...s/default.aspx "Jay Freedman" wrote in message ... If you can achieve the formatting you need with paragraph styles and character styles instead of section breaks, then you can protect the document against formatting changes without disabling other functions. The formatting restrictions feature lets you choose which styles may be applied, and prevents direct (non-style) formatting. This feature was introduced in Word 2003. In Word 2007, click the Developer tab. (If it isn't visible, enable it in the Word Options dialog.) Click the Protect Document button. In the task pane that appears, check the box for "Limit formatting to a selection of styles" and then click the Settings link below it. Choose the styles you want the user to be able to apply. Then click the Start Enforcing Protection button, and supply an optional password. This feature won't prevent the user from deleting section breaks, so if you're mostly worried about page margins, headers/footers and the like, this is not the answer -- and I'm not sure there is one. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 02:19:00 -0800, Big Dave wrote: Thanks for that reply. The content controls look useful, yes, but they won't do what I need, it seems. One of the most basic requirements for my users is to be able to make content changes without affecting document format, which means I need to stop them from deleting section breaks. Try putting a section break into a content control. If you manage that (I did at one point though it behaved bizarrely and I can't seem to do it again) try putting just a continuous section break in one and make it so it doesn't interfere with editting the document. I would really appreciate any help with this. Thanks. |
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I just thought the protection allowed you to protect section breaks along
with other text. You can select a block of text and protect it from deletion; could not this block include a section break? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jay Freedman" wrote in message ... Whether they do or don't, the question is still whether the desired formatting can be done at all without the need for section breaks. If the OP's concern is with users deleting section breaks and taking with them things like headers/footers, then neither style restriction nor content controls is going to solve the problem. Word has no way to lock down section breaks other than using forms protection, and that disables other functions. It's not a good story. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: But don't content controls allow you even more control over overall document formatting? I certainly got that impression from Tristan Davis's demos. For Tristan Davis's blogs on content controls, see http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_offi...s/default.aspx "Jay Freedman" wrote in message ... If you can achieve the formatting you need with paragraph styles and character styles instead of section breaks, then you can protect the document against formatting changes without disabling other functions. The formatting restrictions feature lets you choose which styles may be applied, and prevents direct (non-style) formatting. This feature was introduced in Word 2003. In Word 2007, click the Developer tab. (If it isn't visible, enable it in the Word Options dialog.) Click the Protect Document button. In the task pane that appears, check the box for "Limit formatting to a selection of styles" and then click the Settings link below it. Choose the styles you want the user to be able to apply. Then click the Start Enforcing Protection button, and supply an optional password. This feature won't prevent the user from deleting section breaks, so if you're mostly worried about page margins, headers/footers and the like, this is not the answer -- and I'm not sure there is one. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 02:19:00 -0800, Big Dave wrote: Thanks for that reply. The content controls look useful, yes, but they won't do what I need, it seems. One of the most basic requirements for my users is to be able to make content changes without affecting document format, which means I need to stop them from deleting section breaks. Try putting a section break into a content control. If you manage that (I did at one point though it behaved bizarrely and I can't seem to do it again) try putting just a continuous section break in one and make it so it doesn't interfere with editting the document. I would really appreciate any help with this. Thanks. |
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I've been experimenting with this (a.k.a. "playing around" g). I
didn't have any trouble inserting a continuous section break at the end of either a Rich Text content control or a Plain Text content control. Inserting a continuous section break in the middle of the text in a control split the control in two, just the way a section break splits a table. The break behaved just like a continuous section break in regular text -- for instance, I could set the section ending at the section break to be two columns, and the section after it to one column. When I set the content control's properties to "Contents cannot be edited" and/or "Content control cannot be deleted", I got some complex results. If the content control's outline was visible, I couldn't delete the section break. But if I placed the cursor to the left of the section break and pressed the right arrow key, the control's outline disappeared, leaving the cursor still to the left of the break but apparently outside the content control. At that point I could select the break with Shift+right arrow and press Delete to remove the section break. The preceding material, including the content control, then assumed the section formatting of the material that followed. So my answer to Big Dave remains essentially the same: Content controls don't provide protection against deleting section breaks if the users are prone to accident, experimenting, or actively trying to sabotage your documents. If you can get the formatting you want without section breaks, then content controls do provide a way to lock down text without killing off other functions. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:55:40 -0600, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I just thought the protection allowed you to protect section breaks along with other text. You can select a block of text and protect it from deletion; could not this block include a section break? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jay Freedman" wrote in message ... Whether they do or don't, the question is still whether the desired formatting can be done at all without the need for section breaks. If the OP's concern is with users deleting section breaks and taking with them things like headers/footers, then neither style restriction nor content controls is going to solve the problem. Word has no way to lock down section breaks other than using forms protection, and that disables other functions. It's not a good story. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: But don't content controls allow you even more control over overall document formatting? I certainly got that impression from Tristan Davis's demos. For Tristan Davis's blogs on content controls, see http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_offi...s/default.aspx "Jay Freedman" wrote in message ... If you can achieve the formatting you need with paragraph styles and character styles instead of section breaks, then you can protect the document against formatting changes without disabling other functions. The formatting restrictions feature lets you choose which styles may be applied, and prevents direct (non-style) formatting. This feature was introduced in Word 2003. In Word 2007, click the Developer tab. (If it isn't visible, enable it in the Word Options dialog.) Click the Protect Document button. In the task pane that appears, check the box for "Limit formatting to a selection of styles" and then click the Settings link below it. Choose the styles you want the user to be able to apply. Then click the Start Enforcing Protection button, and supply an optional password. This feature won't prevent the user from deleting section breaks, so if you're mostly worried about page margins, headers/footers and the like, this is not the answer -- and I'm not sure there is one. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 02:19:00 -0800, Big Dave wrote: Thanks for that reply. The content controls look useful, yes, but they won't do what I need, it seems. One of the most basic requirements for my users is to be able to make content changes without affecting document format, which means I need to stop them from deleting section breaks. Try putting a section break into a content control. If you manage that (I did at one point though it behaved bizarrely and I can't seem to do it again) try putting just a continuous section break in one and make it so it doesn't interfere with editting the document. I would really appreciate any help with this. Thanks. |
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Too bad. Something to hope for in the next version, I guess.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jay Freedman" wrote in message ... I've been experimenting with this (a.k.a. "playing around" g). I didn't have any trouble inserting a continuous section break at the end of either a Rich Text content control or a Plain Text content control. Inserting a continuous section break in the middle of the text in a control split the control in two, just the way a section break splits a table. The break behaved just like a continuous section break in regular text -- for instance, I could set the section ending at the section break to be two columns, and the section after it to one column. When I set the content control's properties to "Contents cannot be edited" and/or "Content control cannot be deleted", I got some complex results. If the content control's outline was visible, I couldn't delete the section break. But if I placed the cursor to the left of the section break and pressed the right arrow key, the control's outline disappeared, leaving the cursor still to the left of the break but apparently outside the content control. At that point I could select the break with Shift+right arrow and press Delete to remove the section break. The preceding material, including the content control, then assumed the section formatting of the material that followed. So my answer to Big Dave remains essentially the same: Content controls don't provide protection against deleting section breaks if the users are prone to accident, experimenting, or actively trying to sabotage your documents. If you can get the formatting you want without section breaks, then content controls do provide a way to lock down text without killing off other functions. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:55:40 -0600, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I just thought the protection allowed you to protect section breaks along with other text. You can select a block of text and protect it from deletion; could not this block include a section break? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jay Freedman" wrote in message ... Whether they do or don't, the question is still whether the desired formatting can be done at all without the need for section breaks. If the OP's concern is with users deleting section breaks and taking with them things like headers/footers, then neither style restriction nor content controls is going to solve the problem. Word has no way to lock down section breaks other than using forms protection, and that disables other functions. It's not a good story. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: But don't content controls allow you even more control over overall document formatting? I certainly got that impression from Tristan Davis's demos. For Tristan Davis's blogs on content controls, see http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_offi...ent+controls/d efault.aspx "Jay Freedman" wrote in message ... If you can achieve the formatting you need with paragraph styles and character styles instead of section breaks, then you can protect the document against formatting changes without disabling other functions. The formatting restrictions feature lets you choose which styles may be applied, and prevents direct (non-style) formatting. This feature was introduced in Word 2003. In Word 2007, click the Developer tab. (If it isn't visible, enable it in the Word Options dialog.) Click the Protect Document button. In the task pane that appears, check the box for "Limit formatting to a selection of styles" and then click the Settings link below it. Choose the styles you want the user to be able to apply. Then click the Start Enforcing Protection button, and supply an optional password. This feature won't prevent the user from deleting section breaks, so if you're mostly worried about page margins, headers/footers and the like, this is not the answer -- and I'm not sure there is one. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 02:19:00 -0800, Big Dave wrote: Thanks for that reply. The content controls look useful, yes, but they won't do what I need, it seems. One of the most basic requirements for my users is to be able to make content changes without affecting document format, which means I need to stop them from deleting section breaks. Try putting a section break into a content control. If you manage that (I did at one point though it behaved bizarrely and I can't seem to do it again) try putting just a continuous section break in one and make it so it doesn't interfere with editting the document. I would really appreciate any help with this. Thanks. |
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Hi Jay,
I've been experimenting with this (a.k.a. "playing around" g). I didn't have any trouble inserting a continuous section break at the end of either a Rich Text content control or a Plain Text content control. Inserting a continuous section break in the middle of the text in a control split the control in two, just the way a section break splits a table. Funny, I'm not seeing what you describe. I started like this: 1. Type the "boiler-plate" into the document. Do any necessary Layout formatting (such as columns) 2. Ctrl+A, then click the "Rich text" control type. 3. Select other text sections that should be editable and choose the appropriate control type (usually RichText). 4. Now set the properties of the outer control to not allow editing or deletion of the control. In my scenario, a section break doesn't "break" a (rich text) control (I didn't try with any other kind, since by definition I don't think plain text would support one). Section breaks at the end of a control couldn't be deleted. I could also add section breaks within a control. I think the important part is to use "enough" content controls to allow for protecting what needs to be protected... Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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Cindy M. wrote:
Hi Jay, I've been experimenting with this (a.k.a. "playing around" g). I didn't have any trouble inserting a continuous section break at the end of either a Rich Text content control or a Plain Text content control. Inserting a continuous section break in the middle of the text in a control split the control in two, just the way a section break splits a table. Funny, I'm not seeing what you describe. I started like this: 1. Type the "boiler-plate" into the document. Do any necessary Layout formatting (such as columns) 2. Ctrl+A, then click the "Rich text" control type. 3. Select other text sections that should be editable and choose the appropriate control type (usually RichText). 4. Now set the properties of the outer control to not allow editing or deletion of the control. In my scenario, a section break doesn't "break" a (rich text) control (I didn't try with any other kind, since by definition I don't think plain text would support one). Section breaks at the end of a control couldn't be deleted. I could also add section breaks within a control. I think the important part is to use "enough" content controls to allow for protecting what needs to be protected... Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) Yes, I think you're right. I hadn't thought to enclose the entire document in a content control and then "exempt" pieces with nested controls. Probably I should have, since that's the way editing protection works in 2003. I'm away from my Office 2007 system now, but I'll try that this evening. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. |
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Thanks lots for the replies and the experimenting I hadn't really
considered putting the whole document into a content control - I guess I'm nervous about what effect it might have that everything you then do will be within a content control. Does a content control do anything other than tag an area and hold properties about it? I think the fact that it has associated events and behaviour makes me wonder what will happen when I start doing the weird things with it that my job (producing automated research document templates) make me do to poor unsuspecting templates -- Big Dave "Jay Freedman" wrote: Cindy M. wrote: Hi Jay, I've been experimenting with this (a.k.a. "playing around" g). I didn't have any trouble inserting a continuous section break at the end of either a Rich Text content control or a Plain Text content control. Inserting a continuous section break in the middle of the text in a control split the control in two, just the way a section break splits a table. Funny, I'm not seeing what you describe. I started like this: 1. Type the "boiler-plate" into the document. Do any necessary Layout formatting (such as columns) 2. Ctrl+A, then click the "Rich text" control type. 3. Select other text sections that should be editable and choose the appropriate control type (usually RichText). 4. Now set the properties of the outer control to not allow editing or deletion of the control. In my scenario, a section break doesn't "break" a (rich text) control (I didn't try with any other kind, since by definition I don't think plain text would support one). Section breaks at the end of a control couldn't be deleted. I could also add section breaks within a control. I think the important part is to use "enough" content controls to allow for protecting what needs to be protected... Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) Yes, I think you're right. I hadn't thought to enclose the entire document in a content control and then "exempt" pieces with nested controls. Probably I should have, since that's the way editing protection works in 2003. I'm away from my Office 2007 system now, but I'll try that this evening. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. |
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Argh! Word2007 protection still disables functions willy-nilly
Hmm. While attempting Cindy's approach, I decided to delete 'stuff' until I
was left with just what I wanted and ended up with a content control which just contained a section break! Exactly what I wanted. Odd, and I'm not sure if it will behave, since it was arrived at in such a manner, but I'll experiment... Just tried making a 'blank' content control and inserting a section break in the middle of the 'type your text here'. It worked, so I removed the text and end up with what I want. *shrug* seems to be resolved - thanks for your prompting! Weird it will do it under certain circumstances and not others. Now I just need to work out how to stop users copying and pasting them... -- Big Dave "Jay Freedman" wrote: Cindy M. wrote: Hi Jay, I've been experimenting with this (a.k.a. "playing around" g). I didn't have any trouble inserting a continuous section break at the end of either a Rich Text content control or a Plain Text content control. Inserting a continuous section break in the middle of the text in a control split the control in two, just the way a section break splits a table. Funny, I'm not seeing what you describe. I started like this: 1. Type the "boiler-plate" into the document. Do any necessary Layout formatting (such as columns) 2. Ctrl+A, then click the "Rich text" control type. 3. Select other text sections that should be editable and choose the appropriate control type (usually RichText). 4. Now set the properties of the outer control to not allow editing or deletion of the control. In my scenario, a section break doesn't "break" a (rich text) control (I didn't try with any other kind, since by definition I don't think plain text would support one). Section breaks at the end of a control couldn't be deleted. I could also add section breaks within a control. I think the important part is to use "enough" content controls to allow for protecting what needs to be protected... Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) Yes, I think you're right. I hadn't thought to enclose the entire document in a content control and then "exempt" pieces with nested controls. Probably I should have, since that's the way editing protection works in 2003. I'm away from my Office 2007 system now, but I'll try that this evening. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. |
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Argh! Word2007 protection still disables functions willy-nilly
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I think the fact that it has associated events and behaviour makes me wonder what will happen when I start doing the weird things with it that my job (producing automated research document templates) make me do to poor unsuspecting templates I think only experience will tell us if there are any "gotchas" lurking in them :-) That's one reason discussions like this are important - we all learn from one another. Does a content control do anything other than tag an area and hold properties about it? Not actively. You can change how it behaves, of course. But "out of the box" it doesn't do anything except restrict the type of data if it's not a RichText control. Hmm. While attempting Cindy's approach, I decided to delete 'stuff' until I was left with just what I wanted and ended up with a content control which just contained a section break! Exactly what I wanted. Odd, and I'm not sure if it will behave, since it was arrived at in such a manner, but I'll experiment... Just tried making a 'blank' content control and inserting a section break in the middle of the 'type your text here'. It worked, so I removed the text and end up with what I want. *shrug* seems to be resolved - thanks for your prompting! Weird it will do it under certain circumstances and not others. Now I just need to work out how to stop users copying and pasting them... That's definitely an issue, and I'm not sure it's one you can resolve. They don't seem to be designed with that level of protection in mind. And unfortunately Word doesn't give you any access to drag-and-drop or Clipboard events so that you could prevent it. However, if you don't assing a TITLE to a field in a protected "container" it's pretty difficult to select it so that it can be copied, leaving only the document-level container as a problem. Some macro code could probably take care of this. Check all the content control IDs when the document starts. At some point, loop through and see if there are any IDs that aren't in that original list. If there are, controls have been duplicated, so remove them. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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