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Yeah, how dare they not do your homework for you! Bad company!

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"J Walker" wrote in message
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The Arrogance of Microsoft

This just shows how little Microsoft actually cares about its customer
base.
If they had any concern at all they would have included the classic UI,
rather than forcing us to purchase it for an additional $29 from some
third
party. What arrogance!

I am so sorry that I upgraded. Ive used Word for just about 20 years now
and I am an absolute fool for trusting MS. I should have done more
research
before buying.

Microsoft clearly does not care about its long time customers.


"Tom B" wrote:

How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007
will
cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be
retrained.


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Thanks for your understanding JoAnn.

You are of course correct€¦

Why should any of us expect that all our years of learning, using and
upgrading the MS products would warrant any reasonable expectation that they
would not go off and re-invent all the menus and commands that we have spent
the last 20 years learning?

I have the feeling that this new UI will go the way of New Coke. Anybody
remember New Coke?

Thanks again JoAnn.


"JoAnn Paules" wrote:

Yeah, how dare they not do your homework for you! Bad company!

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Microsoft MVP - Publisher

How to ask a question
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"J Walker" wrote in message
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The Arrogance of Microsoft

This just shows how little Microsoft actually cares about its customer
base.
If they had any concern at all they would have included the classic UI,
rather than forcing us to purchase it for an additional $29 from some
third
party. What arrogance!

I am so sorry that I upgraded. Ive used Word for just about 20 years now
and I am an absolute fool for trusting MS. I should have done more
research
before buying.

Microsoft clearly does not care about its long time customers.


"Tom B" wrote:

How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007
will
cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be
retrained.


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It's free elsewhere.


"J Walker" wrote in message
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Thanks for your understanding JoAnn.

You are of course correct.

Why should any of us expect that all our years of learning, using and
upgrading the MS products would warrant any reasonable expectation that
they
would not go off and re-invent all the menus and commands that we have
spent
the last 20 years learning?

I have the feeling that this new UI will go the way of New Coke. Anybody
remember New Coke?

Thanks again JoAnn.


"JoAnn Paules" wrote:

Yeah, how dare they not do your homework for you! Bad company!

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher

How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375



"J Walker" wrote in message
...
The Arrogance of Microsoft

This just shows how little Microsoft actually cares about its customer
base.
If they had any concern at all they would have included the classic UI,
rather than forcing us to purchase it for an additional $29 from some
third
party. What arrogance!

I am so sorry that I upgraded. I've used Word for just about 20 years
now
and I am an absolute fool for trusting MS. I should have done more
research
before buying.

Microsoft clearly does not care about its long time customers.


"Tom B" wrote:

How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office
2007
will
cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be
retrained.




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The new interface was widely touted. Office is not inexpensive. If you
didn't read anything at all about the new version, it's your own fault. I am
so tired of people who do not accept responsibility for their own actions,
even down to buying software. It's always someone's else's fault if we
aren't satisfied.

As for the ribbon - get used to it because I really doubt that it's going
away.

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"J Walker" wrote in message
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Thanks for your understanding JoAnn.

You are of course correct€¦

Why should any of us expect that all our years of learning, using and
upgrading the MS products would warrant any reasonable expectation that
they
would not go off and re-invent all the menus and commands that we have
spent
the last 20 years learning?

I have the feeling that this new UI will go the way of New Coke. Anybody
remember New Coke?

Thanks again JoAnn.


"JoAnn Paules" wrote:

Yeah, how dare they not do your homework for you! Bad company!

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher

How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375



"J Walker" wrote in message
...
The Arrogance of Microsoft

This just shows how little Microsoft actually cares about its customer
base.
If they had any concern at all they would have included the classic UI,
rather than forcing us to purchase it for an additional $29 from some
third
party. What arrogance!

I am so sorry that I upgraded. Ive used Word for just about 20 years
now
and I am an absolute fool for trusting MS. I should have done more
research
before buying.

Microsoft clearly does not care about its long time customers.


"Tom B" wrote:

How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office
2007
will
cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be
retrained.



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Had you come here to check first, you would have found all your observations
discussed many times over, but you are still not doing your homework? If you
want to restore the menus using the add-in, that portion of the add-in is
free.

No-one is forcing you to purchase anything - and Patrick's excellent ribbon
customizer has nothing to do with Microsoft.
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J Walker wrote:
The Arrogance of Microsoft

This just shows how little Microsoft actually cares about its
customer base. If they had any concern at all they would have
included the classic UI, rather than forcing us to purchase it for an
additional $29 from some third party. What arrogance!

I am so sorry that I upgraded. I've used Word for just about 20 years
now and I am an absolute fool for trusting MS. I should have done
more research before buying.

Microsoft clearly does not care about its long time customers.


"Tom B" wrote:

How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office
2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need
to be retrained.





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J, there are a vast number of experienced Office customers who completely
agree with you. Perhaps the more we proclaim that "the Emperor wears no
clothes", the sooner Microsoft will wake up and smell the coffee and fix the
interface for Office 2007. The ribbon does have a couple of good features
but overall I find it cumbersome and irritating: when I've tried performing
the same tasks in Excel 2007 that I have in prior versions, it actually takes
me more time and mindless keystrokes. Even with the third party menus, the
new dialogue boxes still exist and the full functionality isn't there. As a
result, I've "upgraded" back to Excel 2000 and PowerPoint 2000 and consigned
the Office 2007 versions to the rubbish heap. I only keep them around in
case someone sends me a 2007 file that I can't open.

As for Patrick Schmid's free menus, I purchased the third party ones before
I was aware of them, sometime around mid-April 2007. I also see that he was
chastised for "caving" in to people's requests for menus. Warning bells
should be going off all over Microsoft at this point, but so far it all
appears to be falling on deaf ears.

Incidentally, a lot of large corporations I work with are postponing their
"upgrade" to Office 2007 until this issue is resolved. Maybe Microsoft will
start listening to customers now.

joe_btfsplk

"J Walker" wrote:

Thanks for your understanding JoAnn.

You are of course correct€¦

Why should any of us expect that all our years of learning, using and
upgrading the MS products would warrant any reasonable expectation that they
would not go off and re-invent all the menus and commands that we have spent
the last 20 years learning?

I have the feeling that this new UI will go the way of New Coke. Anybody
remember New Coke?

Thanks again JoAnn.


"JoAnn Paules" wrote:

Yeah, how dare they not do your homework for you! Bad company!

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher

How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375



"J Walker" wrote in message
...
The Arrogance of Microsoft

This just shows how little Microsoft actually cares about its customer
base.
If they had any concern at all they would have included the classic UI,
rather than forcing us to purchase it for an additional $29 from some
third
party. What arrogance!

I am so sorry that I upgraded. Ive used Word for just about 20 years now
and I am an absolute fool for trusting MS. I should have done more
research
before buying.

Microsoft clearly does not care about its long time customers.


"Tom B" wrote:

How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007
will
cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be
retrained.


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Let me ask this -- Was this ribbon really designed with professional
documentation specialists, writers, editors, proofreaders in mind? It looks
like a game interface!

We buy the product for OUR use not for some designer's whim.

We hear: "Try it! You'll like it!" We've tried it; we do NOT like it.

We hate it. We don't want it. We want a TOOL that will keep us productive.
If this is the direction MS is taking with its "tools," then Hello,
WordPerfect!

I hope they will devise a "classic menus" feature for the service pack. It
would be a mistake not to. I can tell you one international company that
will not move toward the product.





"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to
learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

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"Tony Jollans" wrote:

There _is_ an order of keystrokes you can learn; it may not be the same as
the one you used to use but there still is one with the only real quirk
being the QAT where the position of the icon affects the shortcut.

You no longer have the option to tailor your menu and have your own
accelerators so if you did that you have a problem. There is, though, some
built in 'legacy support' and a good many of the old default shortcuts still
work; several, however, don't and at least one does something different. I
can't imagine this support continuing on indefinitely into future releases
and you will have to bite the bullet sooner or later. Meanwhile Ctrl+Z has
already been mentioned and Alt+Backspace also still works, or Alt+E, U, ...
or ...

... you can assign Alt+E and Enter to Undo. It will require a macro to do
the customization and it will stop Alt+E working in other ways - but that
can be overcome with some more customization. The choice, for the moment, is
yours.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

"Folstaff" wrote in message
...
It probably does, it just isn't my habit.

I know I am out of step when I look at a mouse as a necessary evil, but
here
is my problem, there is no order of keystrokes that I can learn now. So my
productivity will always be limited to the speed at which I can get back
to
typing from picking up my mouse.

By and by...I read how this system is based on the statistics from Office
2003. Why would anyone do that? The majority of users were still on Office
97
2 years ago if they still aren't now. Not to mention, people like myself
who
would never, and I mean never, choose to have my clicks counted and
tracked.
Do we know the percentage of Office (not 2003, not XP, but Office) users
who
did?

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Ctrl+Z will also Undo, and that will still work, I believe.

--
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Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Folstaff" wrote in message
...
I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more productive
with
the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why
they
dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base
(at
least 80% of the users of PC's) with them?

I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I
hit
Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't
being
picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows
version.

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access
data).
Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is
painful at
best.
The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release
Alt
to get started.
In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in
2003
work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard,
just keep using them.
You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and
you
really can only make a good call after having used it for a while
(after
all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you
find a
typical user in your organization and have them try it as well.
Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are
power users, because they know where their features are in the
menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times
end
up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users,
but
the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not
generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on
what
the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I
think
2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office
version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are
the
ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users).
As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how
you
feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me
a
month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not
wanting
to go back to menus/toolbars).
There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life
easier
using it.
Anything surrounding customization:
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything
you
can adjust to your personal liking)
Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this
post:
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58
You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI",
"Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of
the
things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading
though.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In:
http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for
Office
XP,
expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or
recommend it
to anyone who has ever used a computer.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate
America,
which has considerable investment in training custom solutions
for a
given
version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that
reception of
the new version is good.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Tom B" wrote in message
...
Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007.
If
a
number
of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate
corporate
acceptance will encourage development of an application that
has
an
acceptable ROI.

Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will
have to
learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007:
http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In:
http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog:
http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

"Tom B" wrote in message
:

How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it
office
2007 will
cost far to much to implement because employee's will need
to
be
retrained.










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Just adding my 2 cents to the equation. I'm an ergonomist, and I can tell you
after dealing with several clients, including my own mistake to purchase this
supposed "upgrade" in service, I cannot understand the ridiculous design of
the ribbon feature. It is not a matter of simply getting used to a new
system, but a complete lack of human factors consideration, increasing the
amount of work (yes, even after learning the system) to achieve the same
outcome. Microsoft has truly hurt itself with this design and their lack of
response in addressing it. Let the chips fall where they may.

"Old Lady Tries" wrote:



"Tony Jollans" wrote:

There _is_ an order of keystrokes you can learn; it may not be the same as
the one you used to use but there still is one with the only real quirk
being the QAT where the position of the icon affects the shortcut.

You no longer have the option to tailor your menu and have your own
accelerators so if you did that you have a problem. There is, though, some
built in 'legacy support' and a good many of the old default shortcuts still
work; several, however, don't and at least one does something different. I
can't imagine this support continuing on indefinitely into future releases
and you will have to bite the bullet sooner or later. Meanwhile Ctrl+Z has
already been mentioned and Alt+Backspace also still works, or Alt+E, U, ...
or ...

... you can assign Alt+E and Enter to Undo. It will require a macro to do
the customization and it will stop Alt+E working in other ways - but that
can be overcome with some more customization. The choice, for the moment, is
yours.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

"Folstaff" wrote in message
...
It probably does, it just isn't my habit.

I know I am out of step when I look at a mouse as a necessary evil, but
here
is my problem, there is no order of keystrokes that I can learn now. So my
productivity will always be limited to the speed at which I can get back
to
typing from picking up my mouse.

By and by...I read how this system is based on the statistics from Office
2003. Why would anyone do that? The majority of users were still on Office
97
2 years ago if they still aren't now. Not to mention, people like myself
who
would never, and I mean never, choose to have my clicks counted and
tracked.
Do we know the percentage of Office (not 2003, not XP, but Office) users
who
did?

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Ctrl+Z will also Undo, and that will still work, I believe.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Folstaff" wrote in message
...
I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more productive
with
the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why
they
dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base
(at
least 80% of the users of PC's) with them?

I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I
hit
Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't
being
picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows
version.

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access
data).
Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is
painful at
best.
The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release
Alt
to get started.
In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in
2003
work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard,
just keep using them.
You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and
you
really can only make a good call after having used it for a while
(after
all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you
find a
typical user in your organization and have them try it as well.
Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are
power users, because they know where their features are in the
menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times
end
up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users,
but
the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not
generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on
what
the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I
think
2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office
version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are
the
ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users).
As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how
you
feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me
a
month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not
wanting
to go back to menus/toolbars).
There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life
easier
using it.
Anything surrounding customization:
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything
you
can adjust to your personal liking)
Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this
post:
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58
You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI",
"Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of
the
things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading
though.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In:
http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for
Office
XP,
expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or
recommend it
to anyone who has ever used a computer.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate
America,
which has considerable investment in training custom solutions
for a
given
version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that
reception of
the new version is good.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Tom B" wrote in message
...
Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007.
If
a
number
of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate
corporate
acceptance will encourage development of an application that
has
an
acceptable ROI.

Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will
have to
learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007:
http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In:
http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog:
http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

"Tom B" wrote in message
:

How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it
office
2007 will
cost far to much to implement because employee's will need
to
be
retrained.










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This is addressed to the folks who have created the 3rd-party add-ins to
restore the menu/toolbar functionality of Word 2000/2003.

Does your add-in allow for the creation of custom menus??

I'm currently using Word 2000 and have a customized menu setup for all the
various legal documents/pleadings I use everyday, with various sub-menus for
motions, notices, orders, objections and so forth as well as documents used
solely within our office.

It works off of one menu button with a number of items, each of which opens
onto several cascading sub-menus of individual documents (most all of which
are merge documents, if that matters). It's ridiculously easy to use:
1. click the menu button
2. mouse-over to what you want to open
3. click that document name.

For me to use your product, and recommend it to the rest of the firm (since
I'm the one who sets all this stuff up on individual machines), I need to be
able to add/remove individual items as necessary.

A speedy response would be GREATLY welcome, as I'd rather not *have* to add
Office 2000 on our pre-installed Office 2007 machines.

Thanks for your time.


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Hi Legalbear,

FWIW, the MS hosted discussion groups are generally peer support rather than MS support.

If you have a template with your custom toolbar(s) (not modifications to Word's built in toolbars) and you load that template as a
global template under Word 2007 either by placing it in the startup folder for Word or using the template dialog (Alt, T, I) your
toolbar choices, although looking a bit different as far as layout) will appear in an 'Add-Ins' tab on the ribbon. You can modify
your template through an older version of Word to change the choices, but you won't be able to change the choices in the 'Add-Ins'
tab as shown.

One of the 3rd party add-ins, http://toolbartoggle.com does allow a bit more flexibility in using and modifying floating menus.

Customization of the ribbon is also possible with a bit of a learning curve in XML.

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"Legalbear" wrote in message ...
This is addressed to the folks who have created the 3rd-party add-ins to
restore the menu/toolbar functionality of Word 2000/2003.

Does your add-in allow for the creation of custom menus??

I'm currently using Word 2000 and have a customized menu setup for all the
various legal documents/pleadings I use everyday, with various sub-menus for
motions, notices, orders, objections and so forth as well as documents used
solely within our office.

It works off of one menu button with a number of items, each of which opens
onto several cascading sub-menus of individual documents (most all of which
are merge documents, if that matters). It's ridiculously easy to use:
1. click the menu button
2. mouse-over to what you want to open
3. click that document name.

For me to use your product, and recommend it to the rest of the firm (since
I'm the one who sets all this stuff up on individual machines), I need to be
able to add/remove individual items as necessary.

A speedy response would be GREATLY welcome, as I'd rather not *have* to add
Office 2000 on our pre-installed Office 2007 machines.

Thanks for your time.
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Note, however, that Legalbear was addressing not Microsoft but those who
have created third-party add-ins for Word/Office 2007. Not that they post
here, either.

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"Bob Buckland ?:-)" 75214.226(At Beautiful Downtown)compuserve.com wrote
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Hi Legalbear,

FWIW, the MS hosted discussion groups are generally peer support rather
than MS support.

If you have a template with your custom toolbar(s) (not modifications to
Word's built in toolbars) and you load that template as a
global template under Word 2007 either by placing it in the startup folder
for Word or using the template dialog (Alt, T, I) your
toolbar choices, although looking a bit different as far as layout) will
appear in an 'Add-Ins' tab on the ribbon. You can modify
your template through an older version of Word to change the choices, but
you won't be able to change the choices in the 'Add-Ins'
tab as shown.

One of the 3rd party add-ins, http://toolbartoggle.com does allow a bit
more flexibility in using and modifying floating menus.

Customization of the ribbon is also possible with a bit of a learning
curve in XML.

=============
"Legalbear" wrote in message
...
This is addressed to the folks who have created the 3rd-party add-ins to
restore the menu/toolbar functionality of Word 2000/2003.

Does your add-in allow for the creation of custom menus??

I'm currently using Word 2000 and have a customized menu setup for all the
various legal documents/pleadings I use everyday, with various sub-menus
for
motions, notices, orders, objections and so forth as well as documents
used
solely within our office.

It works off of one menu button with a number of items, each of which
opens
onto several cascading sub-menus of individual documents (most all of
which
are merge documents, if that matters). It's ridiculously easy to use:
1. click the menu button
2. mouse-over to what you want to open
3. click that document name.

For me to use your product, and recommend it to the rest of the firm
(since
I'm the one who sets all this stuff up on individual machines), I need to
be
able to add/remove individual items as necessary.

A speedy response would be GREATLY welcome, as I'd rather not *have* to
add
Office 2000 on our pre-installed Office 2007 machines.

Thanks for your time.
--

Bob Buckland ?:-)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*




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Let's get down to the truth.

Microsoft knew this was going to be a BIG problem with their installed user
base. All their efforts to play this change up validate that assumption.

However, Microsoft has a huge incentive to force the userbase to use the
ribbon. They have legal protection on the ribbon desgin and are in fact
licensing it to other companies. If they get all Office users to adapt to
this new format, there is a huge payoff for Microsoft.

They don't really care about how easy the program is for you to use. They
care about their stock options!

My two cents.

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LegalBear:

Put your custom menu on a custom Toolbar in Word 2000. Attach the toolbar to
a document, any doument, and save it. Open the document in Word 2007 and your
custom toolbar that includes your custom menu will appear on the Add-Ins tab
of the ribbon. Right-click on the custom toolbar and choose to add it to the
Quick Access Toolbar. Now you will have easy access to it 100% of the time in
all documents. If you have several custom toolbars, you can add the entire
Custom Toolbars group to the QAT for nested access.

The ribbon will improve your productivity so much that it pays for itself in
the first month. I will be playing golf this afternoon while the rest of you
are still fooling around creating documents with the old toolbar
interface.The ribbon is a far better approach, much better organized, and
easier to use.

HTH,

=Mac=


"Legalbear" wrote:

This is addressed to the folks who have created the 3rd-party add-ins to
restore the menu/toolbar functionality of Word 2000/2003.

Does your add-in allow for the creation of custom menus??

I'm currently using Word 2000 and have a customized menu setup for all the
various legal documents/pleadings I use everyday, with various sub-menus for
motions, notices, orders, objections and so forth as well as documents used
solely within our office.

It works off of one menu button with a number of items, each of which opens
onto several cascading sub-menus of individual documents (most all of which
are merge documents, if that matters). It's ridiculously easy to use:
1. click the menu button
2. mouse-over to what you want to open
3. click that document name.

For me to use your product, and recommend it to the rest of the firm (since
I'm the one who sets all this stuff up on individual machines), I need to be
able to add/remove individual items as necessary.

A speedy response would be GREATLY welcome, as I'd rather not *have* to add
Office 2000 on our pre-installed Office 2007 machines.

Thanks for your time.

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Hey everybody. I found this message board because I am trying to turn ON the
ribbon for Outlook 2007. I've been using the ribbon for Excel 2007 for a
couple months now and I like it, but for some reason, when I upgraded it
didn't give me the ribbon for Outlook. This makes me think there IS a way to
turn it on and off. I've looked everywhere for a way to turn it on, but right
now I still have the File, Edit, etc menu's in Outlook 2007 and no ribbon.
Help!

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Kim:

Sorry to break your heart, but there is NO RIBBON for the UI in Outlook
2007, except in the message editor. Start a new message or reply to one and
you will see the Ribbon. Other than that, the ribbon is NOT part of the
Outlook interface.

HTH,

=Mac=


"Kim" wrote:

Hey everybody. I found this message board because I am trying to turn ON the
ribbon for Outlook 2007. I've been using the ribbon for Excel 2007 for a
couple months now and I like it, but for some reason, when I upgraded it
didn't give me the ribbon for Outlook. This makes me think there IS a way to
turn it on and off. I've looked everywhere for a way to turn it on, but right
now I still have the File, Edit, etc menu's in Outlook 2007 and no ribbon.
Help!

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I have Office 07, installed from CD right out of the box. But I have only
the raditional menu bar and tool bar, NOT the Office button and not the
Ribbon. I know that this format/view supposedly does not exist in 07, but
this is what I have. Any thoughts on how to find/turn on the ribbon?



"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to
learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007.

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--------------
http://pschmid.net
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Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
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It appears that whatever CD was in the box was not Office 2007. Since you
have a traditional menu bar, go to Help | About Microsoft Word. What is the
version number given?

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"Dave in Chicago" Dave in wrote in
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I have Office 07, installed from CD right out of the box. But I have only
the raditional menu bar and tool bar, NOT the Office button and not the
Ribbon. I know that this format/view supposedly does not exist in 07, but
this is what I have. Any thoughts on how to find/turn on the ribbon?



"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to
learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
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Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
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Thanks for your reply; I also am confounded. Following is what is on my
"About" windos: MSO Outlook 2007 (12.0.6316.5000) SP 1 MSO (12.0.6320.5000)

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

It appears that whatever CD was in the box was not Office 2007. Since you
have a traditional menu bar, go to Help | About Microsoft Word. What is the
version number given?

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Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
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I have Office 07, installed from CD right out of the box. But I have only
the raditional menu bar and tool bar, NOT the Office button and not the
Ribbon. I know that this format/view supposedly does not exist in 07, but
this is what I have. Any thoughts on how to find/turn on the ribbon?



"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to
learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
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Well, then, that's Outlook, not Word.

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Thanks for your reply; I also am confounded. Following is what is on my
"About" windos: MSO Outlook 2007 (12.0.6316.5000) SP 1 MSO
(12.0.6320.5000)

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

It appears that whatever CD was in the box was not Office 2007. Since you
have a traditional menu bar, go to Help | About Microsoft Word. What is
the
version number given?

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Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

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I have Office 07, installed from CD right out of the box. But I have
only
the raditional menu bar and tool bar, NOT the Office button and not the
Ribbon. I know that this format/view supposedly does not exist in 07,
but
this is what I have. Any thoughts on how to find/turn on the ribbon?



"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to
learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In:
http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
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I am really not interested in learning how to ususe the same commands that I
have always used. This is the second time that MS has done this tom me. I
use Office because it is what i know. If I wanted a program that did
something different I would go to Lotus or OpenOffice.

My brother has been using a new product by AutoDesk that he says is
terrible, but is touted as the next great thing. Are view is that if both of
your comapies don't produce something else to charge $700 per license every
other year, where are your incomes going to come from?

I'm not interested in supporting MS. If they cannot come up with somenting
that I want, i do not want to pay for it.

Does anybody want to trade my MS Office 2007, for some previous version?

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access

data).
Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at
best.

The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt
to get started.
In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003
work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard,
just keep using them.
You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you
really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after
all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a
typical user in your organization and have them try it as well.
Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are
power users, because they know where their features are in the
menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end
up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but
the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not
generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what
the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think
2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office
version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the
ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users).
As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you
feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a
month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting
to go back to menus/toolbars).
There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier
using it.
Anything surrounding customization:
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you
can adjust to your personal liking)
Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post:
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58
You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI",
"Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the
things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though.

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I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP,
expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it
to anyone who has ever used a computer.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America,
which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given
version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of
the new version is good.

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Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a
number
of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate
acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an
acceptable ROI.

Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

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learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007.

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Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
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The Arrogance of Microsoft

This just shows how little Microsoft actually cares about its customer base.
If they had any concern at all they would have included the classic UI,
rather than forcing us to purchase it for an additional $29 from some third
party. What arrogance!

I am so sorry that I upgraded. Ive used Word for just about 20 years now
and I am an absolute fool for trusting MS. I should have done more research
before buying.

Microsoft clearly does not care about its long time customers.


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I have to agree with the other writers. We have installed it on test here and
the interface is horrible. Its now on test 4 month's and its no easier. Why
do microsoft change what was the most successful interface in software. There
has to be a service pack resoving this or we for one will not be
implementing. I will not suffer the annoyance of the users here.
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learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007.

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Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
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I have to agree with the other writers. We have installed it on test here and
the interface is horrible. Its now on test 4 month's and its no easier. Why
do microsoft change what was the most successful interface in software. There
has to be a service pack resoving this or we for one will not be
implementing. I will not suffer the annoyance of the users here.
--
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"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to
learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007.

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Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
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***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
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I have to agree with the other writers. We have installed it on test here and
the interface is horrible. Its now on test 4 month's and its no easier. Why
do microsoft change what was the most successful interface in software. There
has to be a service pack resoving this or we for one will not be
implementing. I will not suffer the annoyance of the users here.
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There is nooldmenubar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to
learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007.


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Yep - it has nearly all been said. My 2 cents worth as a tech writer

In Word 2003 I have edited all the tool bars down to what I need and
the lot, including track changes, drawing bar and some spare room, all
fit in one narrow bar leaving the maximum real estate for work.

The ribbon means I loose work space and have to put up with a lot of
garbage that I never want to see as I do the tasks with my keyboard.
And the default output is docx, yuck.

In every version of Word they dumb it down and foul up some good
features (eg mail merge and the exact width of table columns were
loused up in W2003). The only good thing I found in 2007 is I can
customise my paste special to default to unformatted text.

Fortunately to create or fix my tables (except where they have
highlighted text), or do global changes in headers/footers, and a lot
of other issues, I can open the file in OpenOffice without any
problems.

At least the OO design team seem to listen to the users, they produce
a version that fits on my USB drive so wherever I go I have my
customizations all set up and they print PDFs automatically in the
same page size as the original document - something Adobe don't, and
works with real XML. Now if OO would just fit a Shift+F3 toggle and
fix a couple of other minor issues, I would be happy ;-)

Mi Tasol




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On Feb 10, 3:04*am, bmur wrote:
I have to agree with the other writers. We have installed it on test here and
the interface is horrible. Its now on test 4 month's and its no easier. Why
do microsoft change what was the most successful interface in software. There
has to be a service pack resoving this or we for one will not be
implementing. I will not suffer the annoyance of the users here.
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"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:
There is nooldmenubar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to
learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007.


Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues:http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007:http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In:http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007:http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
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"Tom B" wrote in message
:


How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will
cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained.


Yep - it has nearly all been said. My 2 cents worth as a tech writer

In Word 2003 I have edited all the tool bars down to what I need and
the lot, including track changes, drawing bar and some spare room, all
fit in one narrow bar leaving the maximum real estate for work.

The ribbon means I loose work space and have to put up with a lot of
garbage that I never want to see as I do the tasks with my keyboard.
And the default output is docx, yuck.

In every version of Word they dumb it down and foul up some good
features (eg mail merge and the exact width of table columns were
loused up in W2003). The only good thing I found in 2007 is I can
customise my paste special to default to unformatted text.

Fortunately to create or fix my tables (except where they have
highlighted text), or do global changes in headers/footers, and a lot
of other issues, I can open the file in OpenOffice without any
problems.

At least the OO design team seem to listen to the users, they produce
a version that fits on my USB drive so wherever I go I have my
customizations all set up and they print PDFs automatically in the
same page size as the original document - something Adobe don't, and
works with real XML. Now if OO would just fit a Shift+F3 toggle and
fix a couple of other minor issues, I would be happy ;-)

Mi Tasol


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On Feb 10, 6:35*pm, Mi Tasol wrote:

Yep - it has nearly all been said. *My 2 cents worth as a tech writer

In Word 2003 I have edited all the tool bars down to what I need and
the lot, including track changes, drawing bar and some spare room, all
fit in one narrow bar leaving the maximum real estate for work.


I.e., the QAT.

The ribbon means I loose work space and have to put up with a lot of
garbage that I never want to see as I do the tasks with my keyboard.


Not if you minimize the Ribbon (double-click on any of its tabs).

And the default output is docx, yuck.


Maybe half the size of the same file in .doc format.

[snip praise of OO. Maybe it has the features _you_ need, but it's
perfectly lousy for what I need to do.]
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On Feb 10, 6:35*pm, Mi Tasol wrote:

Yep - it has nearly all been said. *My 2 cents worth as a tech writer

In Word 2003 I have edited all the tool bars down to what I need and
the lot, including track changes, drawing bar and some spare room, all
fit in one narrow bar leaving the maximum real estate for work.


I.e., the QAT.

The ribbon means I loose work space and have to put up with a lot of
garbage that I never want to see as I do the tasks with my keyboard.


Not if you minimize the Ribbon (double-click on any of its tabs).

And the default output is docx, yuck.


Maybe half the size of the same file in .doc format.

[snip praise of OO. Maybe it has the features _you_ need, but it's
perfectly lousy for what I need to do.]
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And it is still quite possible to set table columns to an exact width.

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Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message
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On Feb 10, 6:35 pm, Mi Tasol wrote:

Yep - it has nearly all been said. My 2 cents worth as a tech writer

In Word 2003 I have edited all the tool bars down to what I need and
the lot, including track changes, drawing bar and some spare room, all
fit in one narrow bar leaving the maximum real estate for work.


I.e., the QAT.

The ribbon means I loose work space and have to put up with a lot of
garbage that I never want to see as I do the tasks with my keyboard.


Not if you minimize the Ribbon (double-click on any of its tabs).

And the default output is docx, yuck.


Maybe half the size of the same file in .doc format.

[snip praise of OO. Maybe it has the features _you_ need, but it's
perfectly lousy for what I need to do.]

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And it is still quite possible to set table columns to an exact width.

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Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message
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On Feb 10, 6:35 pm, Mi Tasol wrote:

Yep - it has nearly all been said. My 2 cents worth as a tech writer

In Word 2003 I have edited all the tool bars down to what I need and
the lot, including track changes, drawing bar and some spare room, all
fit in one narrow bar leaving the maximum real estate for work.


I.e., the QAT.

The ribbon means I loose work space and have to put up with a lot of
garbage that I never want to see as I do the tasks with my keyboard.


Not if you minimize the Ribbon (double-click on any of its tabs).

And the default output is docx, yuck.


Maybe half the size of the same file in .doc format.

[snip praise of OO. Maybe it has the features _you_ need, but it's
perfectly lousy for what I need to do.]



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I have used the ribbon interface for over a year and I still cannot recommend
it to anyone.

Users cannot customize menus without a huge learning curve.
MS was unable to organize menus logically what makes you think you can
arrange pictograms any better?
How bout giving the user a choice bbetween the conventional, tried and true
interface and the new, useless one world pictogram interface?

It is worse than ridiculous, it is certainly conceived by an elitist that
knows better than all of us users.

It has been 3 years now, how are those adoption numbers now?

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access

data).
Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at
best.

The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt
to get started.
In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003
work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard,
just keep using them.
You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you
really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after
all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a
typical user in your organization and have them try it as well.
Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are
power users, because they know where their features are in the
menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end
up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but
the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not
generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what
the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think
2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office
version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the
ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users).
As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you
feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a
month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting
to go back to menus/toolbars).
There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier
using it.
Anything surrounding customization:
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you
can adjust to your personal liking)
Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post:
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58
You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI",
"Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the
things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP,
expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it
to anyone who has ever used a computer.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America,
which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given
version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of
the new version is good.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Tom B" wrote in message
...
Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a
number
of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate
acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an
acceptable ROI.

Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to
learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

"Tom B" wrote in message
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How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office
2007 will
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I have used the ribbon interface for over a year and I still cannot recommend
it to anyone.

Users cannot customize menus without a huge learning curve.
MS was unable to organize menus logically what makes you think you can
arrange pictograms any better?
How bout giving the user a choice bbetween the conventional, tried and true
interface and the new, useless one world pictogram interface?

It is worse than ridiculous, it is certainly conceived by an elitist that
knows better than all of us users.

It has been 3 years now, how are those adoption numbers now?

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access

data).
Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at
best.

The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt
to get started.
In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003
work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard,
just keep using them.
You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you
really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after
all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a
typical user in your organization and have them try it as well.
Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are
power users, because they know where their features are in the
menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end
up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but
the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not
generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what
the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think
2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office
version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the
ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users).
As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you
feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a
month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting
to go back to menus/toolbars).
There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier
using it.
Anything surrounding customization:
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you
can adjust to your personal liking)
Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post:
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58
You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI",
"Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the
things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP,
expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it
to anyone who has ever used a computer.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America,
which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given
version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of
the new version is good.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Tom B" wrote in message
...
Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a
number
of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate
acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an
acceptable ROI.

Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to
learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

"Tom B" wrote in message
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How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office
2007 will
cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be
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In the user interface, you cannot modify the ribbon in Word 2007. You'll
need Patrick Schmid's ribbon customizer at
http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer (the link is actually
included in an earlier message in this thread).

--
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Microsoft Word MVP



"David C. Wood" David C. wrote in message
...
I have used the ribbon interface for over a year and I still cannot
recommend
it to anyone.

Users cannot customize menus without a huge learning curve.
MS was unable to organize menus logically what makes you think you can
arrange pictograms any better?
How bout giving the user a choice bbetween the conventional, tried and
true
interface and the new, useless one world pictogram interface?

It is worse than ridiculous, it is certainly conceived by an elitist that
knows better than all of us users.

It has been 3 years now, how are those adoption numbers now?

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access

data).
Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful
at
best.

The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt
to get started.
In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003
work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard,
just keep using them.
You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you
really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after
all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a
typical user in your organization and have them try it as well.
Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are
power users, because they know where their features are in the
menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end
up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but
the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not
generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what
the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think
2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office
version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the
ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users).
As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you
feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a
month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting
to go back to menus/toolbars).
There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier
using it.
Anything surrounding customization:
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you
can adjust to your personal liking)
Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post:
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58
You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI",
"Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the
things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office
XP,
expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or
recommend it
to anyone who has ever used a computer.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate
America,
which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a
given
version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that
reception of
the new version is good.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Tom B" wrote in message
...
Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If
a
number
of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate
corporate
acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an
acceptable ROI.

Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have
to
learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In:
http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

"Tom B" wrote in message
:

How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it
office
2007 will
cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to
be
retrained.









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In the user interface, you cannot modify the ribbon in Word 2007. You'll
need Patrick Schmid's ribbon customizer at
http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer (the link is actually
included in an earlier message in this thread).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"David C. Wood" David C. wrote in message
...
I have used the ribbon interface for over a year and I still cannot
recommend
it to anyone.

Users cannot customize menus without a huge learning curve.
MS was unable to organize menus logically what makes you think you can
arrange pictograms any better?
How bout giving the user a choice bbetween the conventional, tried and
true
interface and the new, useless one world pictogram interface?

It is worse than ridiculous, it is certainly conceived by an elitist that
knows better than all of us users.

It has been 3 years now, how are those adoption numbers now?

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access

data).
Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful
at
best.

The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt
to get started.
In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003
work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard,
just keep using them.
You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you
really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after
all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a
typical user in your organization and have them try it as well.
Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are
power users, because they know where their features are in the
menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end
up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but
the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not
generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what
the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think
2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office
version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the
ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users).
As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you
feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a
month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting
to go back to menus/toolbars).
There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier
using it.
Anything surrounding customization:
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you
can adjust to your personal liking)
Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post:
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58
You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI",
"Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the
things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office
XP,
expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or
recommend it
to anyone who has ever used a computer.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate
America,
which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a
given
version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that
reception of
the new version is good.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Tom B" wrote in message
...
Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If
a
number
of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate
corporate
acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an
acceptable ROI.

Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have
to
learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
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"Tom B" wrote in message
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How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it
office
2007 will
cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to
be
retrained.









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What I would like to know is if MS is still gathering statistics, what do
they look like?
Is there any noticeable improvement in efficiency?
Have users started to use more advanced features?
Do the average users still enter a [Return] at the end of each line.
Do more users paginate?
Do user use Styles to structure the appearance of their documents or do they
still use [Space] and [Tab] to change the appearance?
Are more users using watermarks, inserting graphics or OLE objects?

Questionable Statistics are a result of selecting to use only certain data
sets that support the preconceived opinion or structuring the questions to
give the desired results.

David C. Wood

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more

productive with
the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why they
dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base (at
least 80% of the users of PC's) with them?

Yes, I am more productive and faster.

I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I hit
Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't being
picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows version.

Hmm, I see. Yes, that kind of scenario isn't supported.

Ironically, I make an add-in that could be used to get the old
menu/toolbar system somewhat back...

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access
data).
Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at
best.
The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt
to get started.
In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003
work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard,
just keep using them.
You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you
really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after
all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a
typical user in your organization and have them try it as well.
Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are
power users, because they know where their features are in the
menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end
up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but
the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not
generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what
the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think
2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office
version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the
ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users).
As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you
feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a
month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting
to go back to menus/toolbars).
There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier
using it.
Anything surrounding customization:
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you
can adjust to your personal liking)
Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post:
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58
You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI",
"Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the
things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP,
expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it
to anyone who has ever used a computer.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America,
which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given
version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of
the new version is good.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Tom B" wrote in message
...
Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a
number
of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate
acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an
acceptable ROI.

Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to
learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

"Tom B" wrote in message
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How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office
2007 will
cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be
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What I would like to know is if MS is still gathering statistics, what do
they look like?
Is there any noticeable improvement in efficiency?
Have users started to use more advanced features?
Do the average users still enter a [Return] at the end of each line.
Do more users paginate?
Do user use Styles to structure the appearance of their documents or do they
still use [Space] and [Tab] to change the appearance?
Are more users using watermarks, inserting graphics or OLE objects?

Questionable Statistics are a result of selecting to use only certain data
sets that support the preconceived opinion or structuring the questions to
give the desired results.

David C. Wood

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more

productive with
the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why they
dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base (at
least 80% of the users of PC's) with them?

Yes, I am more productive and faster.

I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I hit
Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't being
picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows version.

Hmm, I see. Yes, that kind of scenario isn't supported.

Ironically, I make an add-in that could be used to get the old
menu/toolbar system somewhat back...

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access
data).
Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at
best.
The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt
to get started.
In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003
work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard,
just keep using them.
You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you
really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after
all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a
typical user in your organization and have them try it as well.
Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are
power users, because they know where their features are in the
menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end
up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but
the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not
generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what
the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think
2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office
version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the
ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users).
As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you
feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a
month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting
to go back to menus/toolbars).
There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier
using it.
Anything surrounding customization:
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you
can adjust to your personal liking)
Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post:
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58
You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI",
"Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the
things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP,
expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it
to anyone who has ever used a computer.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America,
which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given
version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of
the new version is good.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Tom B" wrote in message
...
Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a
number
of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate
acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an
acceptable ROI.

Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to
learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

"Tom B" wrote in message
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How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office
2007 will
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I've been a worprocessor using MS word for 18 years and have recently
upgraded from 2003 to 2007. I found that I could create a toolbar that
resembles the toolbars in 2003, then hide the ribbons and cruise right along.
The upgrade to 2007 really isn't that difficult to learn. The engineers,
chemists, and geologist that i work for have managed to pick it it pretty
quickly, so anyone used to using word should have no problems.

"Tom B" wrote:

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I've been a worprocessor using MS word for 18 years and have recently
upgraded from 2003 to 2007. I found that I could create a toolbar that
resembles the toolbars in 2003, then hide the ribbons and cruise right along.
The upgrade to 2007 really isn't that difficult to learn. The engineers,
chemists, and geologist that i work for have managed to pick it it pretty
quickly, so anyone used to using word should have no problems.

"Tom B" wrote:

How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will
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There is a toolbar left in Word 2007; that is true: the Quick Access
Toolbar.

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"PatinFC" wrote in message
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I've been a worprocessor using MS word for 18 years and have recently
upgraded from 2003 to 2007. I found that I could create a toolbar that
resembles the toolbars in 2003, then hide the ribbons and cruise right
along.
The upgrade to 2007 really isn't that difficult to learn. The engineers,
chemists, and geologist that i work for have managed to pick it it pretty
quickly, so anyone used to using word should have no problems.

"Tom B" wrote:

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will
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There is a toolbar left in Word 2007; that is true: the Quick Access
Toolbar.

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Microsoft Word MVP



"PatinFC" wrote in message
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I've been a worprocessor using MS word for 18 years and have recently
upgraded from 2003 to 2007. I found that I could create a toolbar that
resembles the toolbars in 2003, then hide the ribbons and cruise right
along.
The upgrade to 2007 really isn't that difficult to learn. The engineers,
chemists, and geologist that i work for have managed to pick it it pretty
quickly, so anyone used to using word should have no problems.

"Tom B" wrote:

How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007
will
cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be
retrained.



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