[Kentb]

Is there a way to use the old toolbars under WORD or EXCEL 2007?
A couple of power users have told me they think there is a way, but HELP
says specifically that toolbars do not exist in 2007.

I also was just told by a MicroSoft employee that most of Microsoft is not
using Office 2007 because of the impact it has on productivity. Wow.. You
should really use it so you can better appreciate your customers' frustration.

[Simon Jones [MSDL]]

No, there is no way of using menus and toolbars in the Office 2007
applications with the Ribbon UI.

If you take the time to learn it (a few hours with each application), the
Ribbon makes it easier and quicker to make good looking documents.
Productivity goes UP not down. The main thing to remember is not to fight
against it.

Simon Jones

"Kentb" wrote:

Is there a way to use the old toolbars under WORD or EXCEL 2007?
A couple of power users have told me they think there is a way, but HELP
says specifically that toolbars do not exist in 2007.

I also was just told by a MicroSoft employee that most of Microsoft is not
using Office 2007 because of the impact it has on productivity. Wow.. You
should really use it so you can better appreciate your customers' frustration.

[Kentb]

"Fight against it?" I am certain you (Microsoft) have had many internal
meetings wrestling the issue of changing how your customers use tools and
achieve results; I suspect though that you have had more meetings on how to
handle objections than you have had on what customers need from a new product.

Most disturbing is your attitude. You are saying "don't fight it"... ie,
take it or leave it. Thank you for making that choice clear.


"Simon Jones [MSDL]" wrote:

No, there is no way of using menus and toolbars in the Office 2007
applications with the Ribbon UI.

If you take the time to learn it (a few hours with each application), the
Ribbon makes it easier and quicker to make good looking documents.
Productivity goes UP not down. The main thing to remember is not to fight
against it.

Simon Jones

"Kentb" wrote:

Is there a way to use the old toolbars under WORD or EXCEL 2007?
A couple of power users have told me they think there is a way, but HELP
says specifically that toolbars do not exist in 2007.

I also was just told by a MicroSoft employee that most of Microsoft is not
using Office 2007 because of the impact it has on productivity. Wow.. You
should really use it so you can better appreciate your customers' frustration.

[Mike Starr]

Sticking my nose in here where it hasn't been invited, what you've said and
what Microsoft has done to the UI is probably good for the casual amateur
user. However, for those of us who have developed extensive customizations
to facilitate our productivity, the new ribbon UI is like strapping the
training wheels on the bicycles in the Tour de France.

Mike
"Simon Jones [MSDL]" wrote in
message ...
I do not work for Microsoft. I am an independent IT Consultant.

I advised you not to fight against the new UI because I've seen people get
upset that Office 2007 doesn't work the same way as previous versions. If
you
accept that it is different you can learn how it works and then you'll
find
it quicker and easier to create better looking documents.

Simon Jones

"Kentb" wrote:

"Fight against it?" I am certain you (Microsoft) have had many
internal
meetings wrestling the issue of changing how your customers use tools
and
achieve results; I suspect though that you have had more meetings on
how to
handle objections than you have had on what customers need from a new
product.

Most disturbing is your attitude. You are saying "don't fight it"...
ie,
take it or leave it. Thank you for making that choice clear.


"Simon Jones [MSDL]" wrote:

No, there is no way of using menus and toolbars in the Office 2007
applications with the Ribbon UI.

If you take the time to learn it (a few hours with each application),
the
Ribbon makes it easier and quicker to make good looking documents.
Productivity goes UP not down. The main thing to remember is not to
fight
against it.

Simon Jones

"Kentb" wrote:

Is there a way to use the old toolbars under WORD or EXCEL 2007?
A couple of power users have told me they think there is a way, but
HELP
says specifically that toolbars do not exist in 2007.

I also was just told by a MicroSoft employee that most of Microsoft
is not
using Office 2007 because of the impact it has on productivity.
Wow.. You
should really use it so you can better appreciate your customers'
frustration.

[Opinicus]

"Mike Starr" wrote

Sticking my nose in here where it hasn't been invited, what you've said
and
what Microsoft has done to the UI is probably good for the casual amateur
user. However, for those of us who have developed extensive customizations
to facilitate our productivity, the new ribbon UI is like strapping the
training wheels on the bicycles in the Tour de France.

Exactly. As a professional translator I sometimes spend up to 10 hours a day
in front of my computer using a version of Word that has been highly
customized to suit my needs and habits. This is the source of my livelihood.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to learn a completely new
interface after so many years and I'm not going to let anyone put that
livelihood at risk by forcing me to.

I'm sticking with XP until MS come to their senses.

--
Bob
http://www.kanyak.com

[Bob Buckland ?:-\)]

Hi Kent,

While I suspect that not everyone at MS that uses Office liked the ribbon g MS Office 2007 deployment 'campus wide' at MS was in
progress many months before the 'luxury' of having a finished product and it's still what's in use throughout MS

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"Kentb" wrote in message ...
Is there a way to use the old toolbars under WORD or EXCEL 2007?
A couple of power users have told me they think there is a way, but HELP
says specifically that toolbars do not exist in 2007.

I also was just told by a MicroSoft employee that most of Microsoft is not
using Office 2007 because of the impact it has on productivity. Wow.. You
should really use it so you can better appreciate your customers' frustration.
--

Bob Buckland ?:-)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*