[Geoff332]

Hello,

I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007. The
problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all
autoformatted lists.

I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents for
the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level lists
and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph
formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1 cm,
Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based
on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find a
way to change it.

The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to create
and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if this
can be changed or not.

Thanks,
Geoff.

[Stefan Blom[_3_]]

If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the List
Paragraph style, you won't succeed.

Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and
store the style in your template.

For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box to
set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and choose
Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the actual
paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then right-click).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007.
The
problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all
autoformatted lists.

I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents
for
the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level
lists
and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph
formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1
cm,
Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based
on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find
a
way to change it.

The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to
create
and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if
this
can be changed or not.

Thanks,
Geoff.

[Stefan Blom[_3_]]

If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the List
Paragraph style, you won't succeed.

Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and
store the style in your template.

For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box to
set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and choose
Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the actual
paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then right-click).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007.
The
problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all
autoformatted lists.

I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents
for
the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level
lists
and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph
formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1
cm,
Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based
on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find
a
way to change it.

The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to
create
and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if
this
can be changed or not.

Thanks,
Geoff.

[Stefan Blom[_3_]]

And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab |
Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the
List Paragraph style, you won't succeed.

Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and
store the style in your template.

For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box
to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and
choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the
actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then
right-click).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007.
The
problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all
autoformatted lists.

I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents
for
the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level
lists
and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph
formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1
cm,
Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm,
Based
on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find
a
way to change it.

The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to
create
and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if
this
can be changed or not.

Thanks,
Geoff.

[Stefan Blom[_3_]]

And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab |
Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the
List Paragraph style, you won't succeed.

Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and
store the style in your template.

For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box
to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and
choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the
actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then
right-click).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007.
The
problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all
autoformatted lists.

I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents
for
the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level
lists
and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph
formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1
cm,
Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm,
Based
on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find
a
way to change it.

The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to
create
and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if
this
can be changed or not.

Thanks,
Geoff.

[Geoff332]

Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the
indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change the
indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the latter
is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed.

Thanks.



"Stefan Blom" wrote:

And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab |
Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the
List Paragraph style, you won't succeed.

Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and
store the style in your template.

For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box
to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and
choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the
actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then
right-click).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007.
The
problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all
autoformatted lists.

I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents
for
the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level
lists
and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph
formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1
cm,
Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm,
Based
on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find
a
way to change it.

The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to
create
and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if
this
can be changed or not.

Thanks,
Geoff.





.

[Geoff332]

Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the
indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change the
indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the latter
is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed.

Thanks.



"Stefan Blom" wrote:

And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab |
Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the
List Paragraph style, you won't succeed.

Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and
store the style in your template.

For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box
to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and
choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the
actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then
right-click).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007.
The
problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all
autoformatted lists.

I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents
for
the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level
lists
and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph
formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1
cm,
Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm,
Based
on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find
a
way to change it.

The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to
create
and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if
this
can be changed or not.

Thanks,
Geoff.





.

[Stefan Blom[_3_]]

As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes with
styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering level).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the
indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change the
indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the
latter
is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed.

Thanks.



"Stefan Blom" wrote:

And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab |
Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the
List Paragraph style, you won't succeed.

Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and
store the style in your template.

For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog
box
to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and
choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select
the
actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then
right-click).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word
2007.
The
problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for
all
autoformatted lists.

I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the
indents
for
the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level
lists
and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph
formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right:
1
cm,
Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm,
Based
on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't
find
a
way to change it.

The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to
create
and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if
this
can be changed or not.

Thanks,
Geoff.





.

[Stefan Blom[_3_]]

As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes with
styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering level).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the
indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change the
indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the
latter
is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed.

Thanks.



"Stefan Blom" wrote:

And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab |
Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the
List Paragraph style, you won't succeed.

Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and
store the style in your template.

For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog
box
to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and
choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select
the
actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then
right-click).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word
2007.
The
problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for
all
autoformatted lists.

I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the
indents
for
the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level
lists
and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph
formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right:
1
cm,
Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm,
Based
on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't
find
a
way to change it.

The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to
create
and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if
this
can be changed or not.

Thanks,
Geoff.





.

[Geoff332]

It doesn't work.

I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type "* "
Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph' style.
Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this style and
Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate formatting
set.

However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the list
is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are the
default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the styles
assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting has
been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that direct
formatting, or stop it being applied.

I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style, but I
know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the default
options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions (and
every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked.

Thanks,
Geoff.

"Stefan Blom" wrote:

As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes with
styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering level).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the
indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change the
indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the
latter
is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed.

Thanks.



"Stefan Blom" wrote:

And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab |
Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the
List Paragraph style, you won't succeed.

Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and
store the style in your template.

For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog
box
to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and
choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select
the
actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then
right-click).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word
2007.
The
problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for
all
autoformatted lists.

I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the
indents
for
the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level
lists
and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph
formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right:
1
cm,
Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm,
Based
on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't
find
a
way to change it.

The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to
create
and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if
this
can be changed or not.

Thanks,
Geoff.





.



.

[Geoff332]

It doesn't work.

I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type "* "
Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph' style.
Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this style and
Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate formatting
set.

However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the list
is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are the
default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the styles
assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting has
been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that direct
formatting, or stop it being applied.

I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style, but I
know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the default
options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions (and
every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked.

Thanks,
Geoff.

"Stefan Blom" wrote:

As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes with
styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering level).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the
indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change the
indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the
latter
is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed.

Thanks.



"Stefan Blom" wrote:

And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab |
Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the
List Paragraph style, you won't succeed.

Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and
store the style in your template.

For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog
box
to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and
choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select
the
actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then
right-click).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word
2007.
The
problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for
all
autoformatted lists.

I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the
indents
for
the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level
lists
and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph
formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right:
1
cm,
Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm,
Based
on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't
find
a
way to change it.

The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to
create
and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if
this
can be changed or not.

Thanks,
Geoff.





.



.

[Stefan Blom[_3_]]

And I'm saying that you can't control the indentation of automatic lists,
unless you make use of styles. The List Paragraph style is of no help here,
unfortunately.

In the case of bullet formatting, it's fairly easy: teach users to press
Ctrl+Shift+L, which applies the List Bullet style (in the template, you can
modify the style to suit your needs).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
It doesn't work.

I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type "*
"
Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph' style.
Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this style
and
Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate formatting
set.

However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the
list
is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are the
default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the styles
assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting has
been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that direct
formatting, or stop it being applied.

I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style, but
I
know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the
default
options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions (and
every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked.

Thanks,
Geoff.

"Stefan Blom" wrote:

As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes
with
styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering
level).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the
indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change
the
indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the
latter
is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed.

Thanks.



"Stefan Blom" wrote:

And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab |
Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying
the
List Paragraph style, you won't succeed.

Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup,
and
store the style in your template.

For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents
dialog
box
to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item
and
choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select
the
actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then
right-click).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word
2007.
The
problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for
all
autoformatted lists.

I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the
indents
for
the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to
multi-level
lists
and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph
formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm,
Right:
1
cm,
Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63
cm,
Based
on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I
can't
find
a
way to change it.

The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying
to
create
and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know
if
this
can be changed or not.

Thanks,
Geoff.





.



.

[Stefan Blom[_3_]]

And I'm saying that you can't control the indentation of automatic lists,
unless you make use of styles. The List Paragraph style is of no help here,
unfortunately.

In the case of bullet formatting, it's fairly easy: teach users to press
Ctrl+Shift+L, which applies the List Bullet style (in the template, you can
modify the style to suit your needs).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
It doesn't work.

I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type "*
"
Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph' style.
Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this style
and
Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate formatting
set.

However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the
list
is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are the
default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the styles
assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting has
been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that direct
formatting, or stop it being applied.

I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style, but
I
know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the
default
options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions (and
every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked.

Thanks,
Geoff.

"Stefan Blom" wrote:

As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes
with
styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering
level).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the
indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change
the
indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the
latter
is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed.

Thanks.



"Stefan Blom" wrote:

And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab |
Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying
the
List Paragraph style, you won't succeed.

Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup,
and
store the style in your template.

For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents
dialog
box
to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item
and
choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select
the
actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then
right-click).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word
2007.
The
problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for
all
autoformatted lists.

I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the
indents
for
the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to
multi-level
lists
and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph
formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm,
Right:
1
cm,
Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63
cm,
Based
on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I
can't
find
a
way to change it.

The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying
to
create
and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know
if
this
can be changed or not.

Thanks,
Geoff.





.



.

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

I think you're at cross-purposes because you're using different meanings of
"automatic." Stefan, you're talking about auto numbering (including bullets)
as applied from the Bullets and Numbering dialog (or equivalent), as opposed
to the Bullets and Numbering buttons. It would appear (from his reference to
typing an asterisk) that "Geoff332" is talking about "Automatic numbered
lists" and "Automatic bulleted lists" under "Apply as you type" on the
AutoFormat As You Type tab of AutoCorrect Options. Since these AutoFormat
options use the currently selected list format (or the default list
format?), there is no way they are going to be satisfactory.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
And I'm saying that you can't control the indentation of automatic lists,
unless you make use of styles. The List Paragraph style is of no help
here, unfortunately.

In the case of bullet formatting, it's fairly easy: teach users to press
Ctrl+Shift+L, which applies the List Bullet style (in the template, you
can modify the style to suit your needs).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
It doesn't work.

I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type "*
"
Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph' style.
Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this style
and
Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate
formatting
set.

However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the
list
is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are
the
default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the styles
assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting
has
been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that direct
formatting, or stop it being applied.

I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style, but
I
know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the
default
options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions (and
every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked.

Thanks,
Geoff.

"Stefan Blom" wrote:

As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes
with
styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering
level).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the
indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change
the
indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the
latter
is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed.

Thanks.



"Stefan Blom" wrote:

And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab
|
Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying
the
List Paragraph style, you won't succeed.

Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup,
and
store the style in your template.

For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents
dialog
box
to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item
and
choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to
select
the
actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then
right-click).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word
2007.
The
problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm
for
all
autoformatted lists.

I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the
indents
for
the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to
multi-level
lists
and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List
Paragraph
formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm,
Right:
1
cm,
Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63
cm,
Based
on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I
can't
find
a
way to change it.

The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying
to
create
and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to
know if
this
can be changed or not.

Thanks,
Geoff.





.



.

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

I think you're at cross-purposes because you're using different meanings of
"automatic." Stefan, you're talking about auto numbering (including bullets)
as applied from the Bullets and Numbering dialog (or equivalent), as opposed
to the Bullets and Numbering buttons. It would appear (from his reference to
typing an asterisk) that "Geoff332" is talking about "Automatic numbered
lists" and "Automatic bulleted lists" under "Apply as you type" on the
AutoFormat As You Type tab of AutoCorrect Options. Since these AutoFormat
options use the currently selected list format (or the default list
format?), there is no way they are going to be satisfactory.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
And I'm saying that you can't control the indentation of automatic lists,
unless you make use of styles. The List Paragraph style is of no help
here, unfortunately.

In the case of bullet formatting, it's fairly easy: teach users to press
Ctrl+Shift+L, which applies the List Bullet style (in the template, you
can modify the style to suit your needs).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
It doesn't work.

I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type "*
"
Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph' style.
Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this style
and
Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate
formatting
set.

However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the
list
is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are
the
default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the styles
assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting
has
been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that direct
formatting, or stop it being applied.

I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style, but
I
know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the
default
options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions (and
every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked.

Thanks,
Geoff.

"Stefan Blom" wrote:

As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes
with
styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering
level).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the
indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change
the
indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the
latter
is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed.

Thanks.



"Stefan Blom" wrote:

And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab
|
Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying
the
List Paragraph style, you won't succeed.

Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup,
and
store the style in your template.

For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents
dialog
box
to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item
and
choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to
select
the
actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then
right-click).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word
2007.
The
problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm
for
all
autoformatted lists.

I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the
indents
for
the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to
multi-level
lists
and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List
Paragraph
formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm,
Right:
1
cm,
Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63
cm,
Based
on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I
can't
find
a
way to change it.

The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying
to
create
and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to
know if
this
can be changed or not.

Thanks,
Geoff.





.



.

[Geoff332]

That's correct - I never know the 'correct' terminology - it's the
AutoCorrect options that are causing problems. These problems can all be
avoided by using styles. Unfortunately, getting users to use styles is, in
all practical senses, impossible (even limiting the formatting to styles
isn't accepted in my organisation).

This would be solved if there's anyway to force Word to hold a currently
selected list format, linked to a style? I suspect the answer's no, as it'd
have to remember both a numbered and bulleted formats and it appears to
dynamically create a style (based on something) every time you start working
on a list.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I think you're at cross-purposes because you're using different meanings of
"automatic." Stefan, you're talking about auto numbering (including bullets)
as applied from the Bullets and Numbering dialog (or equivalent), as opposed
to the Bullets and Numbering buttons. It would appear (from his reference to
typing an asterisk) that "Geoff332" is talking about "Automatic numbered
lists" and "Automatic bulleted lists" under "Apply as you type" on the
AutoFormat As You Type tab of AutoCorrect Options. Since these AutoFormat
options use the currently selected list format (or the default list
format?), there is no way they are going to be satisfactory.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
And I'm saying that you can't control the indentation of automatic lists,
unless you make use of styles. The List Paragraph style is of no help
here, unfortunately.

In the case of bullet formatting, it's fairly easy: teach users to press
Ctrl+Shift+L, which applies the List Bullet style (in the template, you
can modify the style to suit your needs).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
It doesn't work.

I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type "*
"
Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph' style.
Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this style
and
Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate
formatting
set.

However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the
list
is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are
the
default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the styles
assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting
has
been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that direct
formatting, or stop it being applied.

I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style, but
I
know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the
default
options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions (and
every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked.

Thanks,
Geoff.

"Stefan Blom" wrote:

As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes
with
styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering
level).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the
indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change
the
indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the
latter
is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed.

Thanks.



"Stefan Blom" wrote:

And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab
|
Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying
the
List Paragraph style, you won't succeed.

Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup,
and
store the style in your template.

For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents
dialog
box
to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item
and
choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to
select
the
actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then
right-click).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word
2007.
The
problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm
for
all
autoformatted lists.

I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the
indents
for
the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to
multi-level
lists
and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List
Paragraph
formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm,
Right:
1
cm,
Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63
cm,
Based
on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I
can't
find
a
way to change it.

The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying
to
create
and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to
know if
this
can be changed or not.

Thanks,
Geoff.





.



.





.

[Geoff332]

That's correct - I never know the 'correct' terminology - it's the
AutoCorrect options that are causing problems. These problems can all be
avoided by using styles. Unfortunately, getting users to use styles is, in
all practical senses, impossible (even limiting the formatting to styles
isn't accepted in my organisation).

This would be solved if there's anyway to force Word to hold a currently
selected list format, linked to a style? I suspect the answer's no, as it'd
have to remember both a numbered and bulleted formats and it appears to
dynamically create a style (based on something) every time you start working
on a list.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I think you're at cross-purposes because you're using different meanings of
"automatic." Stefan, you're talking about auto numbering (including bullets)
as applied from the Bullets and Numbering dialog (or equivalent), as opposed
to the Bullets and Numbering buttons. It would appear (from his reference to
typing an asterisk) that "Geoff332" is talking about "Automatic numbered
lists" and "Automatic bulleted lists" under "Apply as you type" on the
AutoFormat As You Type tab of AutoCorrect Options. Since these AutoFormat
options use the currently selected list format (or the default list
format?), there is no way they are going to be satisfactory.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
And I'm saying that you can't control the indentation of automatic lists,
unless you make use of styles. The List Paragraph style is of no help
here, unfortunately.

In the case of bullet formatting, it's fairly easy: teach users to press
Ctrl+Shift+L, which applies the List Bullet style (in the template, you
can modify the style to suit your needs).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
It doesn't work.

I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type "*
"
Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph' style.
Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this style
and
Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate
formatting
set.

However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the
list
is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are
the
default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the styles
assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting
has
been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that direct
formatting, or stop it being applied.

I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style, but
I
know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the
default
options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions (and
every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked.

Thanks,
Geoff.

"Stefan Blom" wrote:

As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes
with
styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering
level).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the
indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change
the
indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the
latter
is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed.

Thanks.



"Stefan Blom" wrote:

And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab
|
Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying
the
List Paragraph style, you won't succeed.

Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup,
and
store the style in your template.

For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents
dialog
box
to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item
and
choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to
select
the
actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then
right-click).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word
2007.
The
problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm
for
all
autoformatted lists.

I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the
indents
for
the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to
multi-level
lists
and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List
Paragraph
formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm,
Right:
1
cm,
Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63
cm,
Based
on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I
can't
find
a
way to change it.

The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying
to
create
and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to
know if
this
can be changed or not.

Thanks,
Geoff.





.



.





.

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

If you disable the automatic lists, then users will either have to
number/bullet lists manually (which would drive them to some other method),
or they will use the buttons for Bullets and Numbering, which will give them
the current default, which will often be unsatisfactory (and unpredictable
at the least). In earlier versions, this was easily solved by giving users a
custom toolbar from which they could apply the desired styles as easily as
they could use the Bullets and Numbering buttons. You might approximate this
by defining such styles and promoting them to top positions in the Quick
Styles gallery (and look forward to Word 2010, in which Ribbon customization
is much easier).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
That's correct - I never know the 'correct' terminology - it's the
AutoCorrect options that are causing problems. These problems can all be
avoided by using styles. Unfortunately, getting users to use styles is, in
all practical senses, impossible (even limiting the formatting to styles
isn't accepted in my organisation).

This would be solved if there's anyway to force Word to hold a currently
selected list format, linked to a style? I suspect the answer's no, as
it'd
have to remember both a numbered and bulleted formats and it appears to
dynamically create a style (based on something) every time you start
working
on a list.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I think you're at cross-purposes because you're using different meanings
of
"automatic." Stefan, you're talking about auto numbering (including
bullets)
as applied from the Bullets and Numbering dialog (or equivalent), as
opposed
to the Bullets and Numbering buttons. It would appear (from his reference
to
typing an asterisk) that "Geoff332" is talking about "Automatic numbered
lists" and "Automatic bulleted lists" under "Apply as you type" on the
AutoFormat As You Type tab of AutoCorrect Options. Since these AutoFormat
options use the currently selected list format (or the default list
format?), there is no way they are going to be satisfactory.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
And I'm saying that you can't control the indentation of automatic
lists,
unless you make use of styles. The List Paragraph style is of no help
here, unfortunately.

In the case of bullet formatting, it's fairly easy: teach users to
press
Ctrl+Shift+L, which applies the List Bullet style (in the template, you
can modify the style to suit your needs).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
It doesn't work.

I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type
"*
"
Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph'
style.
Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this
style
and
Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate
formatting
set.

However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the
list
is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are
the
default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the
styles
assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting
has
been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that
direct
formatting, or stop it being applied.

I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style,
but
I
know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the
default
options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions
(and
every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked.

Thanks,
Geoff.

"Stefan Blom" wrote:

As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes
with
styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering
level).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change
the
indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to
change
the
indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that
the
latter
is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed.

Thanks.



"Stefan Blom" wrote:

And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home
tab
|
Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Stefan Blom" wrote in
message
...
If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by
modifying
the
List Paragraph style, you won't succeed.

Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering
setup,
and
store the style in your template.

For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents
dialog
box
to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list
item
and
choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to
select
the
actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and
then
right-click).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in
Word
2007.
The
problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm
for
all
autoformatted lists.

I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access
the
indents
for
the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to
multi-level
lists
and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List
Paragraph
formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm,
Right:
1
cm,
Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at:
1.63
cm,
Based
on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I
can't
find
a
way to change it.

The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm
trying
to
create
and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to
know if
this
can be changed or not.

Thanks,
Geoff.





.



.





.

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

If you disable the automatic lists, then users will either have to
number/bullet lists manually (which would drive them to some other method),
or they will use the buttons for Bullets and Numbering, which will give them
the current default, which will often be unsatisfactory (and unpredictable
at the least). In earlier versions, this was easily solved by giving users a
custom toolbar from which they could apply the desired styles as easily as
they could use the Bullets and Numbering buttons. You might approximate this
by defining such styles and promoting them to top positions in the Quick
Styles gallery (and look forward to Word 2010, in which Ribbon customization
is much easier).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
That's correct - I never know the 'correct' terminology - it's the
AutoCorrect options that are causing problems. These problems can all be
avoided by using styles. Unfortunately, getting users to use styles is, in
all practical senses, impossible (even limiting the formatting to styles
isn't accepted in my organisation).

This would be solved if there's anyway to force Word to hold a currently
selected list format, linked to a style? I suspect the answer's no, as
it'd
have to remember both a numbered and bulleted formats and it appears to
dynamically create a style (based on something) every time you start
working
on a list.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I think you're at cross-purposes because you're using different meanings
of
"automatic." Stefan, you're talking about auto numbering (including
bullets)
as applied from the Bullets and Numbering dialog (or equivalent), as
opposed
to the Bullets and Numbering buttons. It would appear (from his reference
to
typing an asterisk) that "Geoff332" is talking about "Automatic numbered
lists" and "Automatic bulleted lists" under "Apply as you type" on the
AutoFormat As You Type tab of AutoCorrect Options. Since these AutoFormat
options use the currently selected list format (or the default list
format?), there is no way they are going to be satisfactory.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
And I'm saying that you can't control the indentation of automatic
lists,
unless you make use of styles. The List Paragraph style is of no help
here, unfortunately.

In the case of bullet formatting, it's fairly easy: teach users to
press
Ctrl+Shift+L, which applies the List Bullet style (in the template, you
can modify the style to suit your needs).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
It doesn't work.

I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type
"*
"
Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph'
style.
Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this
style
and
Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate
formatting
set.

However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the
list
is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are
the
default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the
styles
assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting
has
been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that
direct
formatting, or stop it being applied.

I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style,
but
I
know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the
default
options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions
(and
every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked.

Thanks,
Geoff.

"Stefan Blom" wrote:

As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes
with
styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering
level).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change
the
indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to
change
the
indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that
the
latter
is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed.

Thanks.



"Stefan Blom" wrote:

And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home
tab
|
Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Stefan Blom" wrote in
message
...
If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by
modifying
the
List Paragraph style, you won't succeed.

Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering
setup,
and
store the style in your template.

For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents
dialog
box
to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list
item
and
choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to
select
the
actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and
then
right-click).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in
Word
2007.
The
problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm
for
all
autoformatted lists.

I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access
the
indents
for
the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to
multi-level
lists
and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List
Paragraph
formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm,
Right:
1
cm,
Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at:
1.63
cm,
Based
on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I
can't
find
a
way to change it.

The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm
trying
to
create
and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to
know if
this
can be changed or not.

Thanks,
Geoff.





.



.





.

[Stefan Blom[_3_]]

I believe you have summarized the key points in an excellent fashion. Not
the first time, and certainly not the last! :-)

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
I think you're at cross-purposes because you're using different meanings of
"automatic." Stefan, you're talking about auto numbering (including
bullets) as applied from the Bullets and Numbering dialog (or equivalent),
as opposed to the Bullets and Numbering buttons. It would appear (from his
reference to typing an asterisk) that "Geoff332" is talking about
"Automatic numbered lists" and "Automatic bulleted lists" under "Apply as
you type" on the AutoFormat As You Type tab of AutoCorrect Options. Since
these AutoFormat options use the currently selected list format (or the
default list format?), there is no way they are going to be satisfactory.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
And I'm saying that you can't control the indentation of automatic lists,
unless you make use of styles. The List Paragraph style is of no help
here, unfortunately.

In the case of bullet formatting, it's fairly easy: teach users to press
Ctrl+Shift+L, which applies the List Bullet style (in the template, you
can modify the style to suit your needs).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
It doesn't work.

I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type
"* "
Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph'
style.
Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this
style and
Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate
formatting
set.

However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the
list
is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are
the
default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the styles
assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting
has
been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that direct
formatting, or stop it being applied.

I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style,
but I
know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the
default
options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions
(and
every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked.

Thanks,
Geoff.

"Stefan Blom" wrote:

As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes
with
styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering
level).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change
the
indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to
change the
indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the
latter
is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed.

Thanks.



"Stefan Blom" wrote:

And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab
|
Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Stefan Blom" wrote in
message
...
If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying
the
List Paragraph style, you won't succeed.

Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering
setup, and
store the style in your template.

For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents
dialog
box
to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item
and
choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to
select
the
actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and
then
right-click).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in
Word
2007.
The
problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm
for
all
autoformatted lists.

I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the
indents
for
the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to
multi-level
lists
and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List
Paragraph
formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm,
Right:
1
cm,
Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63
cm,
Based
on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I
can't
find
a
way to change it.

The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm
trying to
create
and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to
know if
this
can be changed or not.

Thanks,
Geoff.





.



.

[Stefan Blom[_3_]]

I believe you have summarized the key points in an excellent fashion. Not
the first time, and certainly not the last! :-)

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
I think you're at cross-purposes because you're using different meanings of
"automatic." Stefan, you're talking about auto numbering (including
bullets) as applied from the Bullets and Numbering dialog (or equivalent),
as opposed to the Bullets and Numbering buttons. It would appear (from his
reference to typing an asterisk) that "Geoff332" is talking about
"Automatic numbered lists" and "Automatic bulleted lists" under "Apply as
you type" on the AutoFormat As You Type tab of AutoCorrect Options. Since
these AutoFormat options use the currently selected list format (or the
default list format?), there is no way they are going to be satisfactory.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
And I'm saying that you can't control the indentation of automatic lists,
unless you make use of styles. The List Paragraph style is of no help
here, unfortunately.

In the case of bullet formatting, it's fairly easy: teach users to press
Ctrl+Shift+L, which applies the List Bullet style (in the template, you
can modify the style to suit your needs).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
It doesn't work.

I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type
"* "
Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph'
style.
Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this
style and
Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate
formatting
set.

However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the
list
is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are
the
default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the styles
assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting
has
been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that direct
formatting, or stop it being applied.

I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style,
but I
know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the
default
options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions
(and
every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked.

Thanks,
Geoff.

"Stefan Blom" wrote:

As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes
with
styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering
level).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change
the
indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to
change the
indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the
latter
is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed.

Thanks.



"Stefan Blom" wrote:

And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab
|
Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Stefan Blom" wrote in
message
...
If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying
the
List Paragraph style, you won't succeed.

Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering
setup, and
store the style in your template.

For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents
dialog
box
to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item
and
choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to
select
the
actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and
then
right-click).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in
Word
2007.
The
problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm
for
all
autoformatted lists.

I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the
indents
for
the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to
multi-level
lists
and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List
Paragraph
formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm,
Right:
1
cm,
Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63
cm,
Based
on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I
can't
find
a
way to change it.

The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm
trying to
create
and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to
know if
this
can be changed or not.

Thanks,
Geoff.





.



.

[Stefan Blom[_3_]]

You could also create a macro that applies the relevant styles and attach
the macro to a button on the Quick Access Toolbar.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
If you disable the automatic lists, then users will either have to
number/bullet lists manually (which would drive them to some other
method), or they will use the buttons for Bullets and Numbering, which
will give them the current default, which will often be unsatisfactory
(and unpredictable at the least). In earlier versions, this was easily
solved by giving users a custom toolbar from which they could apply the
desired styles as easily as they could use the Bullets and Numbering
buttons. You might approximate this by defining such styles and promoting
them to top positions in the Quick Styles gallery (and look forward to
Word 2010, in which Ribbon customization is much easier).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
That's correct - I never know the 'correct' terminology - it's the
AutoCorrect options that are causing problems. These problems can all be
avoided by using styles. Unfortunately, getting users to use styles is,
in
all practical senses, impossible (even limiting the formatting to styles
isn't accepted in my organisation).

This would be solved if there's anyway to force Word to hold a currently
selected list format, linked to a style? I suspect the answer's no, as
it'd
have to remember both a numbered and bulleted formats and it appears to
dynamically create a style (based on something) every time you start
working
on a list.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I think you're at cross-purposes because you're using different meanings
of
"automatic." Stefan, you're talking about auto numbering (including
bullets)
as applied from the Bullets and Numbering dialog (or equivalent), as
opposed
to the Bullets and Numbering buttons. It would appear (from his
reference to
typing an asterisk) that "Geoff332" is talking about "Automatic numbered
lists" and "Automatic bulleted lists" under "Apply as you type" on the
AutoFormat As You Type tab of AutoCorrect Options. Since these
AutoFormat
options use the currently selected list format (or the default list
format?), there is no way they are going to be satisfactory.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
And I'm saying that you can't control the indentation of automatic
lists,
unless you make use of styles. The List Paragraph style is of no help
here, unfortunately.

In the case of bullet formatting, it's fairly easy: teach users to
press
Ctrl+Shift+L, which applies the List Bullet style (in the template,
you
can modify the style to suit your needs).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
It doesn't work.

I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I
type "*
"
Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph'
style.
Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this
style
and
Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate
formatting
set.

However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ",
the
list
is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents
are
the
default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the
styles
assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct
formatting
has
been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that
direct
formatting, or stop it being applied.

I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style,
but
I
know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the
default
options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions
(and
every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked.

Thanks,
Geoff.

"Stefan Blom" wrote:

As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the
changes
with
styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering
level).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change
the
indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to
change
the
indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that
the
latter
is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed.

Thanks.



"Stefan Blom" wrote:

And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home
tab
|
Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Stefan Blom" wrote in
message
...
If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by
modifying
the
List Paragraph style, you won't succeed.

Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering
setup,
and
store the style in your template.

For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents
dialog
box
to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list
item
and
choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to
select
the
actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and
then
right-click).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in
message
...
Hello,

I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in
Word
2007.
The
problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of
0.63cm
for
all
autoformatted lists.

I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access
the
indents
for
the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to
multi-level
lists
and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List
Paragraph
formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm,
Right:
1
cm,
Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at:
1.63
cm,
Based
on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I
can't
find
a
way to change it.

The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm
trying
to
create
and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to
know if
this
can be changed or not.

Thanks,
Geoff.





.



.





.

[Stefan Blom[_3_]]

You could also create a macro that applies the relevant styles and attach
the macro to a button on the Quick Access Toolbar.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
If you disable the automatic lists, then users will either have to
number/bullet lists manually (which would drive them to some other
method), or they will use the buttons for Bullets and Numbering, which
will give them the current default, which will often be unsatisfactory
(and unpredictable at the least). In earlier versions, this was easily
solved by giving users a custom toolbar from which they could apply the
desired styles as easily as they could use the Bullets and Numbering
buttons. You might approximate this by defining such styles and promoting
them to top positions in the Quick Styles gallery (and look forward to
Word 2010, in which Ribbon customization is much easier).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
That's correct - I never know the 'correct' terminology - it's the
AutoCorrect options that are causing problems. These problems can all be
avoided by using styles. Unfortunately, getting users to use styles is,
in
all practical senses, impossible (even limiting the formatting to styles
isn't accepted in my organisation).

This would be solved if there's anyway to force Word to hold a currently
selected list format, linked to a style? I suspect the answer's no, as
it'd
have to remember both a numbered and bulleted formats and it appears to
dynamically create a style (based on something) every time you start
working
on a list.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I think you're at cross-purposes because you're using different meanings
of
"automatic." Stefan, you're talking about auto numbering (including
bullets)
as applied from the Bullets and Numbering dialog (or equivalent), as
opposed
to the Bullets and Numbering buttons. It would appear (from his
reference to
typing an asterisk) that "Geoff332" is talking about "Automatic numbered
lists" and "Automatic bulleted lists" under "Apply as you type" on the
AutoFormat As You Type tab of AutoCorrect Options. Since these
AutoFormat
options use the currently selected list format (or the default list
format?), there is no way they are going to be satisfactory.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
And I'm saying that you can't control the indentation of automatic
lists,
unless you make use of styles. The List Paragraph style is of no help
here, unfortunately.

In the case of bullet formatting, it's fairly easy: teach users to
press
Ctrl+Shift+L, which applies the List Bullet style (in the template,
you
can modify the style to suit your needs).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
It doesn't work.

I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I
type "*
"
Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph'
style.
Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this
style
and
Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate
formatting
set.

However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ",
the
list
is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents
are
the
default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the
styles
assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct
formatting
has
been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that
direct
formatting, or stop it being applied.

I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style,
but
I
know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the
default
options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions
(and
every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked.

Thanks,
Geoff.

"Stefan Blom" wrote:

As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the
changes
with
styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering
level).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change
the
indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to
change
the
indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that
the
latter
is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed.

Thanks.



"Stefan Blom" wrote:

And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home
tab
|
Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Stefan Blom" wrote in
message
...
If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by
modifying
the
List Paragraph style, you won't succeed.

Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering
setup,
and
store the style in your template.

For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents
dialog
box
to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list
item
and
choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to
select
the
actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and
then
right-click).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geoff332" wrote in
message
...
Hello,

I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in
Word
2007.
The
problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of
0.63cm
for
all
autoformatted lists.

I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access
the
indents
for
the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to
multi-level
lists
and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List
Paragraph
formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm,
Right:
1
cm,
Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at:
1.63
cm,
Based
on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I
can't
find
a
way to change it.

The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm
trying
to
create
and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to
know if
this
can be changed or not.

Thanks,
Geoff.





.



.





.