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Hi Peter,
Don't think I can be of any help with this one :-( I found one thread in the NG which seems similar: http://groups.google.co.uk/group/mic...9b11bc e3dc98 There, the problem seemed to be a possible font oddity. I suppose you could try different fonts and see what happens. I tried a test here with non-nested fields in Word 97, 2003 and 2007 and in each case the blank lines were suppressed. Answers to some of the following might spark a solution from someone in the NGs. What version of Word are you using? Are the merge fields "free-standing" or are they embedded in other fields (such as IF fields)? I ask because when Microsoft produced Word 2002 they re-wrote the merge part and one of the changes was that there were some circumstances where blank lines would no longer be suppressed automatically (even when merging to a new document) and one of the circumstances was when merge fields were inside IF fields. There are a couple of ways to work around that particular problem. If you turn on the display of formatting marks does anything unusual show up? Does the problem happen with one mail merge main document or with all of them? If you have access to a different printer does the problem happen when you merge to that? (Seems likely if you also get the problem merging to PDF.) If you copy everything from you mail merge main document except the last paragraph mark into a new document and try the merge with that one do you still get the problem? If your mail merge main document is based on normal.dot, what happens if you bypass normal.dot, create a new test document and merge that to the printer? (To bypass normal.dot, start Word by clicking Start/Run and typing "winword /a" (without the quotes) in the Run dialog. This will also stop any addins or global templates loading.) I've asked a bunch of questions and unfortunately I won't be around for the rest of today to see the answers as I'm just about to leave the building, but maybe somebody else will ![]() Regards and good luck!. Ed "Peter" wrote: Hi Ed, I came across this post in a search regarding this type of merge. I tried your advice and it worked. Thanks for all the information you've given. I do have a question regarding the final merge output however. I noticed that "do not print blank lines" seems to be ignored when merging the document to a printer or even a pdf driver. If I merge to New Document , then the blank lines do not appear. Any ideas? Thanks again. Peter |
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Thanks again Ed.
Really appreciate all your advice! I am using Ver 2000. I have tried various things you have mentioned, but no luck. The code I have I initially set with information from Microsoft, combined with your initial suggestions. I have a link to a screen shot I took of the code I am using. I did try keying in the code as you showed Pearl but the documents would not come up. The code in the link gives me the documents, just will not supress blank lines unless I merge to a new document. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...g?t=1177710767 Thanks again . . . Peter |
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I don't know if it will make any difference, but the opening quote mark in
front of the true result in each If...then...Else construction should not be there. That is { IF { MERGEFIELD ALERT } = GEN "{ INCLUDETEXT etc should only be { IF { MERGEFIELD ALERT } = GEN { INCLUDETEXT etc -- Hope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP "Peter" wrote in message ... Thanks again Ed. Really appreciate all your advice! I am using Ver 2000. I have tried various things you have mentioned, but no luck. The code I have I initially set with information from Microsoft, combined with your initial suggestions. I have a link to a screen shot I took of the code I am using. I did try keying in the code as you showed Pearl but the documents would not come up. The code in the link gives me the documents, just will not supress blank lines unless I merge to a new document. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...g?t=1177710767 Thanks again . . . Peter |
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FYI blank line suppression does not work with fields nested in other fields
(such as INCLUDETEXT, IF) in Word 2002/2003. Or at least some versions of it. Although I think it did work with Word 2000, a. I probably mostly merged to new documents, not the printer b. various aspects of field behaviour have been changed with service packs and security updates in Word 2000. This /could/ be one of them. If so, it could be that the only way you will get these fields to function correctly is to use the other, more complex technique of inserting blank lines when the fields are not empty, e.g. { IF "{ MERGEFIELD myfield1 }" = "" "" "{ MERGEFIELD myfield1 } " }{ IF "{ MERGEFIELD myfield2 }" = "" "" "{ MERGEFIELD myfield2 } " } I'm not sure I can get at my Word 2000 system right now but when I can I'll take a look. Which Word SR/SP are you using? Peter Jamieson "Peter" wrote in message ... Thanks again Ed. Really appreciate all your advice! I am using Ver 2000. I have tried various things you have mentioned, but no luck. The code I have I initially set with information from Microsoft, combined with your initial suggestions. I have a link to a screen shot I took of the code I am using. I did try keying in the code as you showed Pearl but the documents would not come up. The code in the link gives me the documents, just will not supress blank lines unless I merge to a new document. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...g?t=1177710767 Thanks again . . . Peter |
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I've now had another look at this on Word 2000 SP3 (not fully patched
though) and the current patched version of Word 2003. Using relatively simple tests (i.e. may not be the whole story): a. the behaviour is the same in both versions b. the print and the preview are the same on both versions, but the results when merging to a new document are different c. for fields inside an INCLUDETEXT, the technique described in my previous post consistently achieves suppression on both versions of Word, i.e. unless someone knows a better way, it's the way to go. { IF "{ MERGEFIELD myfield1 }" = "" "" "{ MERGEFIELD myfield1 } " }{ IF "{ MERGEFIELD myfield2 }" = "" "" "{ MERGEFIELD myfield2 } " } d. MERGEFIELDs inside an IF /in the main document/ (e.g. { IF 1 = 1 "{ MERGEFIELD a } { MERGEFIELD b }" "" } are never suppressed e. When you merge to a new document, there is a difference between the behaviour of an INCLUDETEXT that is nested in an IF in the main document, and an INCLUDETEXT that is not nested: The result of an { INCLUDETEXT "pathname" } is that 1. the INCLUDETEXT is retained 2. fields are not suppressed 3. the output document looks the same as the preview and printed version The result of an { IF 1 = 1 "{ INCLUDETEXT "pathname" }" "" } is that 4. the INCLUDETEXT is resolved 5. fields are suppressed, as long as they are not also nested inside an IF inside the INCLUETEXTed document 6. the output document may therefore not look like the preview and printed version. Peter Jamieson "Peter Jamieson" wrote in message ... FYI blank line suppression does not work with fields nested in other fields (such as INCLUDETEXT, IF) in Word 2002/2003. Or at least some versions of it. Although I think it did work with Word 2000, a. I probably mostly merged to new documents, not the printer b. various aspects of field behaviour have been changed with service packs and security updates in Word 2000. This /could/ be one of them. If so, it could be that the only way you will get these fields to function correctly is to use the other, more complex technique of inserting blank lines when the fields are not empty, e.g. { IF "{ MERGEFIELD myfield1 }" = "" "" "{ MERGEFIELD myfield1 } " }{ IF "{ MERGEFIELD myfield2 }" = "" "" "{ MERGEFIELD myfield2 } " } I'm not sure I can get at my Word 2000 system right now but when I can I'll take a look. Which Word SR/SP are you using? Peter Jamieson "Peter" wrote in message ... Thanks again Ed. Really appreciate all your advice! I am using Ver 2000. I have tried various things you have mentioned, but no luck. The code I have I initially set with information from Microsoft, combined with your initial suggestions. I have a link to a screen shot I took of the code I am using. I did try keying in the code as you showed Pearl but the documents would not come up. The code in the link gives me the documents, just will not supress blank lines unless I merge to a new document. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...g?t=1177710767 Thanks again . . . Peter |
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Hi Peter and Ed. I tried out the suggestion for nested If statements from Ed
using a simple data source in Excel 2003 to a Word 2003 merge doc and it worked really well. I got to 9 nested Ifs and put in a dummy code to test the FalseText with no problems. The reason I originally raised the query was because I was having problems getting data out of a 3rd party software system into a merge doc. Only one of the code conversions worked and I thought that this was because of the way I was constructing the If statements. Turns out that the system is only recording one code when it should be recording more - so I think a fix is required!! Thanks for the great advice here. My query seems to have generated further queries relating to different versions of Word. Well I use Office 2000 at work so I'll be trying out my test mail merge that I've created in 2003 there on Monday so I'll let you know if it still works :-) Still don't know how many nested IFs Word will take, I need about 16 in all so I'll keep going and let you all know how I get on Still don't know how many nested Ifs Word will take, I need about 16 in all so I'll keep going and let you all know how I get on. "Peter Jamieson" wrote: I've now had another look at this on Word 2000 SP3 (not fully patched though) and the current patched version of Word 2003. Using relatively simple tests (i.e. may not be the whole story): a. the behaviour is the same in both versions b. the print and the preview are the same on both versions, but the results when merging to a new document are different c. for fields inside an INCLUDETEXT, the technique described in my previous post consistently achieves suppression on both versions of Word, i.e. unless someone knows a better way, it's the way to go. { IF "{ MERGEFIELD myfield1 }" = "" "" "{ MERGEFIELD myfield1 } " }{ IF "{ MERGEFIELD myfield2 }" = "" "" "{ MERGEFIELD myfield2 } " } d. MERGEFIELDs inside an IF /in the main document/ (e.g. { IF 1 = 1 "{ MERGEFIELD a } { MERGEFIELD b }" "" } are never suppressed e. When you merge to a new document, there is a difference between the behaviour of an INCLUDETEXT that is nested in an IF in the main document, and an INCLUDETEXT that is not nested: The result of an { INCLUDETEXT "pathname" } is that 1. the INCLUDETEXT is retained 2. fields are not suppressed 3. the output document looks the same as the preview and printed version The result of an { IF 1 = 1 "{ INCLUDETEXT "pathname" }" "" } is that 4. the INCLUDETEXT is resolved 5. fields are suppressed, as long as they are not also nested inside an IF inside the INCLUETEXTed document 6. the output document may therefore not look like the preview and printed version. Peter Jamieson "Peter Jamieson" wrote in message ... FYI blank line suppression does not work with fields nested in other fields (such as INCLUDETEXT, IF) in Word 2002/2003. Or at least some versions of it. Although I think it did work with Word 2000, a. I probably mostly merged to new documents, not the printer b. various aspects of field behaviour have been changed with service packs and security updates in Word 2000. This /could/ be one of them. If so, it could be that the only way you will get these fields to function correctly is to use the other, more complex technique of inserting blank lines when the fields are not empty, e.g. { IF "{ MERGEFIELD myfield1 }" = "" "" "{ MERGEFIELD myfield1 } " }{ IF "{ MERGEFIELD myfield2 }" = "" "" "{ MERGEFIELD myfield2 } " } I'm not sure I can get at my Word 2000 system right now but when I can I'll take a look. Which Word SR/SP are you using? Peter Jamieson "Peter" wrote in message ... Thanks again Ed. Really appreciate all your advice! I am using Ver 2000. I have tried various things you have mentioned, but no luck. The code I have I initially set with information from Microsoft, combined with your initial suggestions. I have a link to a screen shot I took of the code I am using. I did try keying in the code as you showed Pearl but the documents would not come up. The code in the link gives me the documents, just will not supress blank lines unless I merge to a new document. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...g?t=1177710767 Thanks again . . . Peter |
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The limit for nesting is around 19 or 20 levels. It has been documented (I
think the documentation says "20", but it depends how you count), but a. I cannot point you to a definitive statement b. it's possible it has changed in Word 2007. Peter Jamieson "Pearl" wrote in message ... Hi Peter and Ed. I tried out the suggestion for nested If statements from Ed using a simple data source in Excel 2003 to a Word 2003 merge doc and it worked really well. I got to 9 nested Ifs and put in a dummy code to test the FalseText with no problems. The reason I originally raised the query was because I was having problems getting data out of a 3rd party software system into a merge doc. Only one of the code conversions worked and I thought that this was because of the way I was constructing the If statements. Turns out that the system is only recording one code when it should be recording more - so I think a fix is required!! Thanks for the great advice here. My query seems to have generated further queries relating to different versions of Word. Well I use Office 2000 at work so I'll be trying out my test mail merge that I've created in 2003 there on Monday so I'll let you know if it still works :-) Still don't know how many nested IFs Word will take, I need about 16 in all so I'll keep going and let you all know how I get on? Still don't know how many nested Ifs Word will take, I need about 16 in all so I'll keep going and let you all know how I get on. "Peter Jamieson" wrote: I've now had another look at this on Word 2000 SP3 (not fully patched though) and the current patched version of Word 2003. Using relatively simple tests (i.e. may not be the whole story): a. the behaviour is the same in both versions b. the print and the preview are the same on both versions, but the results when merging to a new document are different c. for fields inside an INCLUDETEXT, the technique described in my previous post consistently achieves suppression on both versions of Word, i.e. unless someone knows a better way, it's the way to go. { IF "{ MERGEFIELD myfield1 }" = "" "" "{ MERGEFIELD myfield1 } " }{ IF "{ MERGEFIELD myfield2 }" = "" "" "{ MERGEFIELD myfield2 } " } d. MERGEFIELDs inside an IF /in the main document/ (e.g. { IF 1 = 1 "{ MERGEFIELD a } { MERGEFIELD b }" "" } are never suppressed e. When you merge to a new document, there is a difference between the behaviour of an INCLUDETEXT that is nested in an IF in the main document, and an INCLUDETEXT that is not nested: The result of an { INCLUDETEXT "pathname" } is that 1. the INCLUDETEXT is retained 2. fields are not suppressed 3. the output document looks the same as the preview and printed version The result of an { IF 1 = 1 "{ INCLUDETEXT "pathname" }" "" } is that 4. the INCLUDETEXT is resolved 5. fields are suppressed, as long as they are not also nested inside an IF inside the INCLUETEXTed document 6. the output document may therefore not look like the preview and printed version. Peter Jamieson "Peter Jamieson" wrote in message ... FYI blank line suppression does not work with fields nested in other fields (such as INCLUDETEXT, IF) in Word 2002/2003. Or at least some versions of it. Although I think it did work with Word 2000, a. I probably mostly merged to new documents, not the printer b. various aspects of field behaviour have been changed with service packs and security updates in Word 2000. This /could/ be one of them. If so, it could be that the only way you will get these fields to function correctly is to use the other, more complex technique of inserting blank lines when the fields are not empty, e.g. { IF "{ MERGEFIELD myfield1 }" = "" "" "{ MERGEFIELD myfield1 } " }{ IF "{ MERGEFIELD myfield2 }" = "" "" "{ MERGEFIELD myfield2 } " } I'm not sure I can get at my Word 2000 system right now but when I can I'll take a look. Which Word SR/SP are you using? Peter Jamieson "Peter" wrote in message ... Thanks again Ed. Really appreciate all your advice! I am using Ver 2000. I have tried various things you have mentioned, but no luck. The code I have I initially set with information from Microsoft, combined with your initial suggestions. I have a link to a screen shot I took of the code I am using. I did try keying in the code as you showed Pearl but the documents would not come up. The code in the link gives me the documents, just will not supress blank lines unless I merge to a new document. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...g?t=1177710767 Thanks again . . . Peter |
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Thank you Peter, that should be enough for my needs at present. I did try it
out in Word / Excel 2000 and OK, the mail merge process is different to Office 2003, but it worked all right. Tried several times to print out the If statement and kept getting the result rather than the field codes but managed to get it to print out all right in the end. I've learned so much more about Word/mail merge in the past few days. Thank u all for your help, it's much appreciated. :-) "Peter Jamieson" wrote: The limit for nesting is around 19 or 20 levels. It has been documented (I think the documentation says "20", but it depends how you count), but a. I cannot point you to a definitive statement b. it's possible it has changed in Word 2007. Peter Jamieson "Pearl" wrote in message ... Hi Peter and Ed. I tried out the suggestion for nested If statements from Ed using a simple data source in Excel 2003 to a Word 2003 merge doc and it worked really well. I got to 9 nested Ifs and put in a dummy code to test the FalseText with no problems. The reason I originally raised the query was because I was having problems getting data out of a 3rd party software system into a merge doc. Only one of the code conversions worked and I thought that this was because of the way I was constructing the If statements. Turns out that the system is only recording one code when it should be recording more - so I think a fix is required!! Thanks for the great advice here. My query seems to have generated further queries relating to different versions of Word. Well I use Office 2000 at work so I'll be trying out my test mail merge that I've created in 2003 there on Monday so I'll let you know if it still works :-) Still don't know how many nested IFs Word will take, I need about 16 in all so I'll keep going and let you all know how I get on? Still don't know how many nested Ifs Word will take, I need about 16 in all so I'll keep going and let you all know how I get on. "Peter Jamieson" wrote: I've now had another look at this on Word 2000 SP3 (not fully patched though) and the current patched version of Word 2003. Using relatively simple tests (i.e. may not be the whole story): a. the behaviour is the same in both versions b. the print and the preview are the same on both versions, but the results when merging to a new document are different c. for fields inside an INCLUDETEXT, the technique described in my previous post consistently achieves suppression on both versions of Word, i.e. unless someone knows a better way, it's the way to go. { IF "{ MERGEFIELD myfield1 }" = "" "" "{ MERGEFIELD myfield1 } " }{ IF "{ MERGEFIELD myfield2 }" = "" "" "{ MERGEFIELD myfield2 } " } d. MERGEFIELDs inside an IF /in the main document/ (e.g. { IF 1 = 1 "{ MERGEFIELD a } { MERGEFIELD b }" "" } are never suppressed e. When you merge to a new document, there is a difference between the behaviour of an INCLUDETEXT that is nested in an IF in the main document, and an INCLUDETEXT that is not nested: The result of an { INCLUDETEXT "pathname" } is that 1. the INCLUDETEXT is retained 2. fields are not suppressed 3. the output document looks the same as the preview and printed version The result of an { IF 1 = 1 "{ INCLUDETEXT "pathname" }" "" } is that 4. the INCLUDETEXT is resolved 5. fields are suppressed, as long as they are not also nested inside an IF inside the INCLUETEXTed document 6. the output document may therefore not look like the preview and printed version. Peter Jamieson "Peter Jamieson" wrote in message ... FYI blank line suppression does not work with fields nested in other fields (such as INCLUDETEXT, IF) in Word 2002/2003. Or at least some versions of it. Although I think it did work with Word 2000, a. I probably mostly merged to new documents, not the printer b. various aspects of field behaviour have been changed with service packs and security updates in Word 2000. This /could/ be one of them. If so, it could be that the only way you will get these fields to function correctly is to use the other, more complex technique of inserting blank lines when the fields are not empty, e.g. { IF "{ MERGEFIELD myfield1 }" = "" "" "{ MERGEFIELD myfield1 } " }{ IF "{ MERGEFIELD myfield2 }" = "" "" "{ MERGEFIELD myfield2 } " } I'm not sure I can get at my Word 2000 system right now but when I can I'll take a look. Which Word SR/SP are you using? Peter Jamieson "Peter" wrote in message ... Thanks again Ed. Really appreciate all your advice! I am using Ver 2000. I have tried various things you have mentioned, but no luck. The code I have I initially set with information from Microsoft, combined with your initial suggestions. I have a link to a screen shot I took of the code I am using. I did try keying in the code as you showed Pearl but the documents would not come up. The code in the link gives me the documents, just will not supress blank lines unless I merge to a new document. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...g?t=1177710767 Thanks again . . . Peter |
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Hi Peter,
I can't actually see your example as our company firewall (or whatever) blocks access to lots of sites. But I see that Peter J is on the case so it doesn't matter anyway ![]() Regards. Ed "Peter" wrote: Thanks again Ed. Really appreciate all your advice! I am using Ver 2000. I have tried various things you have mentioned, but no luck. The code I have I initially set with information from Microsoft, combined with your initial suggestions. I have a link to a screen shot I took of the code I am using. I did try keying in the code as you showed Pearl but the documents would not come up. The code in the link gives me the documents, just will not supress blank lines unless I merge to a new document. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...g?t=1177710767 Thanks again . . . Peter |
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Ed
You are more confident than I am :-) test, test, and test again may be my motto but $0, $0 and $0 are the usual rewards :-)) Peter Jamieson "Ed" wrote in message ... Hi Peter, I can't actually see your example as our company firewall (or whatever) blocks access to lots of sites. But I see that Peter J is on the case so it doesn't matter anyway ![]() Regards. Ed "Peter" wrote: Thanks again Ed. Really appreciate all your advice! I am using Ver 2000. I have tried various things you have mentioned, but no luck. The code I have I initially set with information from Microsoft, combined with your initial suggestions. I have a link to a screen shot I took of the code I am using. I did try keying in the code as you showed Pearl but the documents would not come up. The code in the link gives me the documents, just will not supress blank lines unless I merge to a new document. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...g?t=1177710767 Thanks again . . . Peter |
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Hi Doug, Peter and Ed,
Really appreciate all your advice and tips. I have being trying all the various tests as suggested. The end result is that I am still getting the blank line on merge outputs other than new document. When I get back to my office tomorrow I will apply the SP3 pack to my MS Word. Not sure if that alone will make the difference in all of this. Depending on the project deadline I may just apply the merge to a new document and then print pdf files from there. Creating new documents for me creates a real slow down in my project. I have over 14,000 letters to merge from 5 different letter formats. Even though I merge in blocks of 500, the merge to "new document" is very slow (even with the spell check off). Anyway, thanks again. Frankly, I'm blown away by your efforts and advice . .. . much appreciate it! Peter ps - I will let you know if I resolve the problem . . . |
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It would surprise me if the
{ IF "{ MERGEFIELD x }" = "" "" "{ MERGEFIELD x } " } approach did not work, but you do have to get the overall layout right. If you have before { MERGEFIELD x } after and you want a blank { MERGEFIELD x } to result in before after then you have to use something like before { IF "{ MERGEFIELD x }" = "" "" "{ MERGEFIELD x } " }after or if you prefer fewer lines before { IF "{ MERGEFIELD x }" = "" "" "{ MERGEFIELD x } " }after not before { IF "{ MERGEFIELD x }" = "" "" "{ MERGEFIELD x } " } after but perhaps that doesn't work on your setup either... Peter Jamieson "Peter" wrote in message ... Hi Doug, Peter and Ed, Really appreciate all your advice and tips. I have being trying all the various tests as suggested. The end result is that I am still getting the blank line on merge outputs other than new document. When I get back to my office tomorrow I will apply the SP3 pack to my MS Word. Not sure if that alone will make the difference in all of this. Depending on the project deadline I may just apply the merge to a new document and then print pdf files from there. Creating new documents for me creates a real slow down in my project. I have over 14,000 letters to merge from 5 different letter formats. Even though I merge in blocks of 500, the merge to "new document" is very slow (even with the spell check off). Anyway, thanks again. Frankly, I'm blown away by your efforts and advice . . . much appreciate it! Peter ps - I will let you know if I resolve the problem . . . |
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Hi Peter,
Please bear with me on this since I am very green with the "IF" statements. I created a new document and put in the following single line: { IF "{ MERGEFIELD ALERT }"= "GEN" "{INCLUDETEXT"C:\\Mer\\Gen.doc"}" "{MERGEFIELD ALERT}"} I still get the blank field printed. I did check the Gen.doc itself and it does not print the blank field. Again, I am green at IF statements and perhaps I'm missing some things in the document properties as well . . . and your comment: "but you do have to get the overall layout right" . . . I agree; perhaps I am overlooking something. I have been attempting a SP upgrade from SP1 to SP3. SP1 was a success but SP3 is giving some difficulty in that it looks for DATA1.MSI for SP1 which of course does not exist on my original Office 2000 CD. Anyway, a different matter altogether and I don't even know if the SP3 will address the "blank field printing" issue. Thanks again! Peter |
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