[netbroker]

I just had to prepare and send a €˜client visiting form to a client to sign,
normally I would convert into an Acrobat pdf. document for security.

I was not able to do so because of a software problem, so I sent out the
word doc. protected. Just checking and playing with the document before
sending out I noticed that indeed it was security proof because anyone wanted
to make any changes whilst the document is protected will come up with a lot
of crossed out red ink.
Fine. But if some one just €˜Selects All and copies to a new page then
surely the whole object of the exercise to protect a document, for it not to
be tampered with is valid useless. Can you explain to me then the point of
protecting a document, if it is not 100% protection?

[CyberTaz]

Protection merely prevents the *original* file from being modified. There is
no such thing as "100% protection" - if you put it out there it can be
replicated & the replica can be edited.

--
Regards |:)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

"netbroker" wrote in message
...
I just had to prepare and send a 'client visiting form' to a client to
sign,
normally I would convert into an Acrobat pdf. document for security.

I was not able to do so because of a software problem, so I sent out the
word doc. protected. Just checking and playing with the document before
sending out I noticed that indeed it was security proof because anyone
wanted
to make any changes whilst the document is protected will come up with a
lot
of crossed out red ink.
Fine. But if some one just 'Selects All' and copies to a new page then
surely the whole object of the exercise to protect a document, for it not
to
be tampered with is valid useless. Can you explain to me then the point of
protecting a document, if it is not 100% protection?

[Graham Mayor]

And that applies equally to PDF!

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


CyberTaz wrote:
Protection merely prevents the *original* file from being modified.
There is no such thing as "100% protection" - if you put it out there
it can be replicated & the replica can be edited.


"netbroker" wrote in message
...
I just had to prepare and send a 'client visiting form' to a client
to sign,
normally I would convert into an Acrobat pdf. document for security.

I was not able to do so because of a software problem, so I sent out
the word doc. protected. Just checking and playing with the document
before sending out I noticed that indeed it was security proof
because anyone wanted
to make any changes whilst the document is protected will come up
with a lot
of crossed out red ink.
Fine. But if some one just 'Selects All' and copies to a new page
then surely the whole object of the exercise to protect a document,
for it not to
be tampered with is valid useless. Can you explain to me then the
point of protecting a document, if it is not 100% protection?

[netbroker]

Thanks CyberTaz for your response.

Fine, but don't you think that the engineers in Microsoft and all the MVP
people should put their thinking hats on.

My suggestion that once a word document is protected then it should be 100%,
by disenabling the select and copy function, this way it can never be
tampered with as the original document.

Ok , If someone really wanted to copy and tamper an original he would have
to start fron scratch to edit another document, this of course could loose
some of the authenticity.

"CyberTaz" wrote:

Protection merely prevents the *original* file from being modified. There is
no such thing as "100% protection" - if you put it out there it can be
replicated & the replica can be edited.

--
Regards |:)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

"netbroker" wrote in message
...
I just had to prepare and send a 'client visiting form' to a client to
sign,
normally I would convert into an Acrobat pdf. document for security.

I was not able to do so because of a software problem, so I sent out the
word doc. protected. Just checking and playing with the document before
sending out I noticed that indeed it was security proof because anyone
wanted
to make any changes whilst the document is protected will come up with a
lot
of crossed out red ink.
Fine. But if some one just 'Selects All' and copies to a new page then
surely the whole object of the exercise to protect a document, for it not
to
be tampered with is valid useless. Can you explain to me then the point of
protecting a document, if it is not 100% protection?

[Graham Mayor]

*ANYTHING* that you allow someone to see or hear can be duplicated. It's a
simple fact of life. If you could think of a way of preventing it, the media
industries alone would reward you far beyond your wildest dreams - but it
simply isn't possible.
Disabling the select and copy functions will not achieve the required ends.
If you use a suitably strong password it will be difficult to make changes
to the original document, but a duplicate that could even fool you would not
be too hard to produce.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


netbroker wrote:
Thanks CyberTaz for your response.

Fine, but don't you think that the engineers in Microsoft and all the
MVP people should put their thinking hats on.

My suggestion that once a word document is protected then it should
be 100%, by disenabling the select and copy function, this way it
can never be tampered with as the original document.

Ok , If someone really wanted to copy and tamper an original he would
have to start fron scratch to edit another document, this of course
could loose some of the authenticity.

"CyberTaz" wrote:

Protection merely prevents the *original* file from being modified.
There is no such thing as "100% protection" - if you put it out
there it can be replicated & the replica can be edited.

--
Regards |:)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

"netbroker" wrote in message
...
I just had to prepare and send a 'client visiting form' to a client
to sign,
normally I would convert into an Acrobat pdf. document for security.

I was not able to do so because of a software problem, so I sent
out the word doc. protected. Just checking and playing with the
document before sending out I noticed that indeed it was security
proof because anyone wanted
to make any changes whilst the document is protected will come up
with a lot
of crossed out red ink.
Fine. But if some one just 'Selects All' and copies to a new page
then surely the whole object of the exercise to protect a document,
for it not to
be tampered with is valid useless. Can you explain to me then the
point of protecting a document, if it is not 100% protection?

[CyberTaz]

.... And even if you could prevent copying you couldn't prevent printing
hardcopy or screen captures which could then be OCRed and edited. Besides,
if someone finds a way to do what you want, that automatically provides the
ability to reverse it.

Regards |:)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac




On 5/15/07 4:50 AM, in article ,
"Graham Mayor" wrote:

*ANYTHING* that you allow someone to see or hear can be duplicated. It's a
simple fact of life. If you could think of a way of preventing it, the media
industries alone would reward you far beyond your wildest dreams - but it
simply isn't possible.
Disabling the select and copy functions will not achieve the required ends.
If you use a suitably strong password it will be difficult to make changes
to the original document, but a duplicate that could even fool you would not
be too hard to produce.