[diehardii]

Hi everyone, I'm trying to write my thesis in Word, and I'm having some
formatting problems. I have full page figures (in a drawing canvas) that I
need to be shown on the first page after they are referenced. Is there anyway
to tell Word that I need the next page to be my figure? I've experimented
with all of the text wrapping options, and the only one that works is inline,
or else the figure and caption don't respect the margins (which is very
important). However, this means if I add any text above the figure, I get a
mostly blank page with maybe 2 lines on it, and my figure on the page below
it. Adding a page or section break also give the same problems. I would like
the text below my figure to fill in the rest of that page. I know people
write their theses in word, so this must be possible, I just can't figure out
how.

[diehardii]

I should have noted I'm using word 2007

"diehardii" wrote:

Hi everyone, I'm trying to write my thesis in Word, and I'm having some
formatting problems. I have full page figures (in a drawing canvas) that I
need to be shown on the first page after they are referenced. Is there anyway
to tell Word that I need the next page to be my figure? I've experimented
with all of the text wrapping options, and the only one that works is inline,
or else the figure and caption don't respect the margins (which is very
important). However, this means if I add any text above the figure, I get a
mostly blank page with maybe 2 lines on it, and my figure on the page below
it. Adding a page or section break also give the same problems. I would like
the text below my figure to fill in the rest of that page. I know people
write their theses in word, so this must be possible, I just can't figure out
how.

[diehardii]

Never mind, apparently this isn't possible. What i'm looking for is a full
page floating figure which is supposedly not available in any version of
Word, only Latex. A workaround for non-full page is here

http://www.ai.uga.edu/mc/FloatFigWord.pdf

If it is possible, I would love to hear how. Thanks for any help.

"diehardii" wrote:

Hi everyone, I'm trying to write my thesis in Word, and I'm having some
formatting problems. I have full page figures (in a drawing canvas) that I
need to be shown on the first page after they are referenced. Is there anyway
to tell Word that I need the next page to be my figure? I've experimented
with all of the text wrapping options, and the only one that works is inline,
or else the figure and caption don't respect the margins (which is very
important). However, this means if I add any text above the figure, I get a
mostly blank page with maybe 2 lines on it, and my figure on the page below
it. Adding a page or section break also give the same problems. I would like
the text below my figure to fill in the rest of that page. I know people
write their theses in word, so this must be possible, I just can't figure out
how.

[DeanH]

As your attachemnt states, their solution is neither easy or reliable, so
take great care with floating images in general, the most stable is
InLineWithText as you have already mentioned. I would not do canvas/text
boxes either.
I often do full page pictures, my solution is as follows. I use 2003, but
hopefully this may help you.
Create a style for Graphic and use the built-in Caption style, ensure no
Automatic Update is selected.
Add the paragraph setting of Page Break Before to the Graphic or Caption
Style, depending which comes first. - This takes care of the "must be on a
new page" issue.
Possibiliy create an AutoText which contains the "Caption/Graphic
placeholder"or "Graphic/Caption", if I am going to have many pictures
included.

I tend to not have any text above the image, as this text should be with the
reference which you have stated is on the previous page. If a few lines roll
over from the previous page and pushes the images down a page. I go to the
previous page, the one with a page full of text, and tinker with the
SpaceAfter/SpaceBefore and even condense text a little to get these orphaned
lines back to the previous page. If all else fails, you can for this
instance, take off the PageBreakBefore to allow both the picture and text on
the one page.

I hope this helps and is easier for you than the attachment's solution. If
you need any further help with this issue continue with this posting.
DeanH


"diehardii" wrote:

Never mind, apparently this isn't possible. What i'm looking for is a full
page floating figure which is supposedly not available in any version of
Word, only Latex. A workaround for non-full page is here

http://www.ai.uga.edu/mc/FloatFigWord.pdf

If it is possible, I would love to hear how. Thanks for any help.

"diehardii" wrote:

Hi everyone, I'm trying to write my thesis in Word, and I'm having some
formatting problems. I have full page figures (in a drawing canvas) that I
need to be shown on the first page after they are referenced. Is there anyway
to tell Word that I need the next page to be my figure? I've experimented
with all of the text wrapping options, and the only one that works is inline,
or else the figure and caption don't respect the margins (which is very
important). However, this means if I add any text above the figure, I get a
mostly blank page with maybe 2 lines on it, and my figure on the page below
it. Adding a page or section break also give the same problems. I would like
the text below my figure to fill in the rest of that page. I know people
write their theses in word, so this must be possible, I just can't figure out
how.

[grammatim[_2_]]

Dare I suggest that you switch to FrameMaker? Any object can be set to
"Float," which means it goes either on the same page as its anchor or
at the top of the next page, whichever it will fit, and the text
simply flows around it. To be sure it goes on the following page, you
simply put the anchor lower on the previous page than the height of
the object.

InDesign is so inadequate for making books that I never even found out
whether it does that equally well, but it would have been an
intelligent feature for them to put in.

The OpenOffice manual indicates that you can position an image in a
specific place on a page, as well.

On Feb 1, 3:38*am, DeanH wrote:
As your attachemnt states, their solution is neither easy or reliable, so
take great care with floating images in general, the most stable is
InLineWithText as you have already mentioned. I would not do canvas/text
boxes either.
I often do full page pictures, my solution is as follows. I use 2003, but
hopefully this may help you.
Create a style for Graphic and use the built-in Caption style, ensure no
Automatic Update is selected.
Add the paragraph setting of Page Break Before to the Graphic or Caption
Style, depending which comes first. - This takes care of the "must be on a
new page" issue.
Possibiliy create an AutoText which contains the "Caption/Graphic
placeholder"or "Graphic/Caption", if I am going to have many pictures
included.

I tend to not have any text above the image, as this text should be with the
reference which you have stated is on the previous page. If a few lines roll
over from the previous page and pushes the images down a page. I go to the
previous page, the one with a page full of text, and tinker with the
SpaceAfter/SpaceBefore and even condense text a little to get these orphaned
lines back to the previous page. If all else fails, you can for this
instance, take off the PageBreakBefore to allow both the picture and text on
the one page.

I hope this helps and is easier for you than the attachment's solution. If
you need any further help with this issue continue with this posting.
DeanH



"diehardii" wrote:
Never mind, apparently this isn't possible. What i'm looking for is a full
page floating figure which is supposedly not available in any version of
Word, only Latex. A workaround for non-full page is here

http://www.ai.uga.edu/mc/FloatFigWord.pdf

If it is possible, I would love to hear how. Thanks for any help.

"diehardii" wrote:

Hi everyone, I'm trying to write my thesis in Word, and I'm having some
formatting problems. I have full page figures (in a drawing canvas) that I
need to be shown on the first page after they are referenced. Is there anyway
to tell Word that I need the next page to be my figure? I've experimented
with all of the text wrapping options, and the only one that works is inline,
or else the figure and caption don't respect the margins (which is very
important). However, this means if I add any text above the figure, I get a
mostly blank page with maybe 2 lines on it, and my figure on the page below
it. Adding a page or section break also give the same problems. I would like
the text below my figure to fill in the rest of that page. I know people
write their theses in word, so this must be possible, I just can't figure out
how.-

[Bob Buckland ?:-\)]

Hi Grammatim,

Re Open Office Writer (a counterpart to MS Word) - There is indeed a choice when formatting a graphic in Writer to anchor it to a
page and it does seem to work even with full page sized graphics in limited testing I tried with it. If you then choose to 'Save
As' to a Microsoft Word document the feature is switched off and if edited in Word then it is affected by the Word 'rules' for
graphics positioning.

=============
"grammatim" wrote in message ...
Dare I suggest that you switch to FrameMaker? Any object can be set to
"Float," which means it goes either on the same page as its anchor or
at the top of the next page, whichever it will fit, and the text
simply flows around it. To be sure it goes on the following page, you
simply put the anchor lower on the previous page than the height of
the object.

InDesign is so inadequate for making books that I never even found out
whether it does that equally well, but it would have been an
intelligent feature for them to put in.

The OpenOffice manual indicates that you can position an image in a
specific place on a page, as well.
--

Bob Buckland ?:-)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*

[grammatim[_2_]]

diehardii is writing a thesis, so presumably s/he doesn't have to pass
on an editable Word file to anyone, but a printout or a pdf, so
OpenOffice seems like the best solution: AIUI it can open a Word file,
so no work so far is lost, and the interface is quite similar, so it
won't be hard to master the additional features (imagine throwing in a
spinning globe!).

On Feb 1, 9:59*am, "Bob Buckland ?:-\)" 75214.226(At Beautiful
Downtown)compuserve.com wrote:
Hi Grammatim,

Re Open Office Writer (a counterpart to MS Word) - *There is indeed a choice when formatting a graphic in Writer to anchor it *to a
page and it does seem to work even with full page sized graphics in limited testing I tried with it. *If you then choose to 'Save
As' to a Microsoft Word document the feature is switched off and if edited in Word then it is affected by the Word 'rules' for
graphics positioning.

=============
* "grammatim" wrote in ...
Dare I suggest that you switch to FrameMaker? Any object can be set to
"Float," which means it goes either on the same page as its anchor or
at the top of the next page, whichever it will fit, and the text
simply flows around it. To be sure it goes on the following page, you
simply put the anchor lower on the previous page than the height of
the object.

InDesign is so inadequate for making books that I never even found out
whether it does that equally well, but it would have been an
intelligent feature for them to put in.

The OpenOffice manual indicates that you can position an image in a
specific place on a page, as well.
--

Bob *Buckland *?:-)
MS Office System Products MVP

* *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*

[Bob Buckland ?:-\)]

Hi Grammatim,

The spinning globe (from the Open Office help file example you had mentioned previously) appears to be a 3D rotatable object, rather
than an animated one, although that too could be possible g. You can come close to simulating the look in Word, except that the
world gets sort of 'pillow' shaped without some work when you rotate it to see the other side

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"grammatim" wrote in message ...
diehardii is writing a thesis, so presumably s/he doesn't have to pass
on an editable Word file to anyone, but a printout or a pdf, so
OpenOffice seems like the best solution: AIUI it can open a Word file,
so no work so far is lost, and the interface is quite similar, so it
won't be hard to master the additional features (imagine throwing in a
spinning globe!).
--

Bob Buckland ?:-)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*