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table style question, space before and after
I want space both before and after a table, but not between rows of a
table. Can someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks, Brian Murphy |
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Immediately following a table is a paragraph formatting mark (the reversed P
symbol or pilcrow): this holds the formatting parameters of the table. If you select it (it should select the whole table) and you can use Format, Paragraph and set the Space Before and Space After settings. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP wrote in message ps.com... I want space both before and after a table, but not between rows of a table. Can someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks, Brian Murphy |
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Hmmmm. I'm using Word 2003, and I don't see any pilcrow at the end of
a table. There's a pilcrow at the end of the paragraph that is right after the table, and it's formatted as Body Text. It seems like something is not right with Word. In the table style assigned to the table, for the Header Row I set 12 points space before, and this does just what I want and what I expect. When I set 12 points space after for the Last Row, this does nothing! Is there some trick to getting that to work? I just discovered that if I set double line spacing for the Last Row, that seems to produce 12 points of space after just the last row. That will be good enough for this particular situation since my tables only have one line of text in the last row. It wouldn't work otherwise. Brian On Sep 15, 10:38 am, "Terry Farrell" wrote: Immediately following a table is a paragraph formatting mark (the reversed P symbol or pilcrow): this holds the formatting parameters of the table. If you select it (it should select the whole table) and you can use Format, Paragraph and set the Space Before and Space After settings. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP wrote in message ps.com... I want space both before and after a table, but not between rows of a table. Can someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks, Brian Murphy |
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table style question, space before and after
No good. Double spacing on the last row doesn't create any space
after if the table only has one row. Darn. Brian On Sep 15, 8:26 pm, wrote: Hmmmm. I'm using Word 2003, and I don't see any pilcrow at the end of a table. There's a pilcrow at the end of the paragraph that is right after the table, and it's formatted as Body Text. It seems like something is not right with Word. In the table style assigned to the table, for the Header Row I set 12 points space before, and this does just what I want and what I expect. When I set 12 points space after for the Last Row, this does nothing! Is there some trick to getting that to work? I just discovered that if I set double line spacing for the Last Row, that seems to produce 12 points of space after just the last row. That will be good enough for this particular situation since my tables only have one line of text in the last row. It wouldn't work otherwise. Brian On Sep 15, 10:38 am, "Terry Farrell" wrote: Immediately following a table is a paragraph formatting mark (the reversed P symbol or pilcrow): this holds the formatting parameters of the table. If you select it (it should select the whole table) and you can use Format, Paragraph and set the Space Before and Space After settings. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP wrote in message ups.com... I want space both before and after a table, but not between rows of a table. Can someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks, Brian Murphy |
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table style question, space before and after
You can add some Spacing After (Format | Paragraph, Indents and Spacing tab)
to the paragraph mark following the table. Note that if the paragraph below has Spacing Before, Word will only display the larger amount of the two settings for Spacing Before and After. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP wrote in message oups.com... No good. Double spacing on the last row doesn't create any space after if the table only has one row. Darn. Brian On Sep 15, 8:26 pm, wrote: Hmmmm. I'm using Word 2003, and I don't see any pilcrow at the end of a table. There's a pilcrow at the end of the paragraph that is right after the table, and it's formatted as Body Text. It seems like something is not right with Word. In the table style assigned to the table, for the Header Row I set 12 points space before, and this does just what I want and what I expect. When I set 12 points space after for the Last Row, this does nothing! Is there some trick to getting that to work? I just discovered that if I set double line spacing for the Last Row, that seems to produce 12 points of space after just the last row. That will be good enough for this particular situation since my tables only have one line of text in the last row. It wouldn't work otherwise. Brian On Sep 15, 10:38 am, "Terry Farrell" wrote: Immediately following a table is a paragraph formatting mark (the reversed P symbol or pilcrow): this holds the formatting parameters of the table. If you select it (it should select the whole table) and you can use Format, Paragraph and set the Space Before and Space After settings. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP wrote in message ups.com... I want space both before and after a table, but not between rows of a table. Can someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks, Brian Murphy |
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table style question, space before and after
I usually just add Space After to the text before the table and Space Before
to the paragraph after the table. I have a Body Text Space Before style that I use for this and other applications where I want to leave extra space above a paragraph. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... You can add some Spacing After (Format | Paragraph, Indents and Spacing tab) to the paragraph mark following the table. Note that if the paragraph below has Spacing Before, Word will only display the larger amount of the two settings for Spacing Before and After. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP wrote in message oups.com... No good. Double spacing on the last row doesn't create any space after if the table only has one row. Darn. Brian On Sep 15, 8:26 pm, wrote: Hmmmm. I'm using Word 2003, and I don't see any pilcrow at the end of a table. There's a pilcrow at the end of the paragraph that is right after the table, and it's formatted as Body Text. It seems like something is not right with Word. In the table style assigned to the table, for the Header Row I set 12 points space before, and this does just what I want and what I expect. When I set 12 points space after for the Last Row, this does nothing! Is there some trick to getting that to work? I just discovered that if I set double line spacing for the Last Row, that seems to produce 12 points of space after just the last row. That will be good enough for this particular situation since my tables only have one line of text in the last row. It wouldn't work otherwise. Brian On Sep 15, 10:38 am, "Terry Farrell" wrote: Immediately following a table is a paragraph formatting mark (the reversed P symbol or pilcrow): this holds the formatting parameters of the table. If you select it (it should select the whole table) and you can use Format, Paragraph and set the Space Before and Space After settings. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP wrote in message ups.com... I want space both before and after a table, but not between rows of a table. Can someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks, Brian Murphy |
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table style question, space before and after
I can't seem to find a paragraph mark after a table (Word 2003).
Is there some trick to finding it? At the end of the last row of the table I see only a little square. The very next line after the last row of the table is the first line of the next paragraph. Brian On Sep 17, 4:59 am, "Stefan Blom" wrote: You can add some Spacing After (Format | Paragraph, Indents and Spacing tab) to the paragraph mark following the table. Note that if the paragraph below has Spacing Before, Word will only display the larger amount of the two settings for Spacing Before and After. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP wrote in message oups.com... No good. Double spacing on the last row doesn't create any space after if the table only has one row. Darn. Brian On Sep 15, 8:26 pm, wrote: Hmmmm. I'm using Word 2003, and I don't see any pilcrow at the end of a table. There's a pilcrow at the end of the paragraph that is right after the table, and it's formatted as Body Text. It seems like something is not right with Word. In the table style assigned to the table, for the Header Row I set 12 points space before, and this does just what I want and what I expect. When I set 12 points space after for the Last Row, this does nothing! Is there some trick to getting that to work? I just discovered that if I set double line spacing for the Last Row, that seems to produce 12 points of space after just the last row. That will be good enough for this particular situation since my tables only have one line of text in the last row. It wouldn't work otherwise. Brian On Sep 15, 10:38 am, "Terry Farrell" wrote: Immediately following a table is a paragraph formatting mark (the reversed P symbol or pilcrow): this holds the formatting parameters of the table. If you select it (it should select the whole table) and you can use Format, Paragraph and set the Space Before and Space After settings. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP wrote in message ups.com... I want space both before and after a table, but not between rows of a table. Can someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks, Brian Murphy |
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table style question, space before and after
I would like to avoid using special styles in special places.
If the table style would actually put in the space after the last row, I would have what I want. But something is preventing it from showing up, even though the style has a setting for it, which I have set accordingly. I see this as either a bug, or there is some subtlety about how to go about setting that option in the table style. Perhaps there is some setting somewhere that is overriding it or disabling it. Brian On Sep 17, 8:28 am, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I usually just add Space After to the text before the table and Space Before to the paragraph after the table. I have a Body Text Space Before style that I use for this and other applications where I want to leave extra space above a paragraph. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site:http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. |
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table style question, space before and after
If you don't put a 'blank paragraph' between the table and the following
text paragraph, then the table attributes are stored with the paragraph mark of the following text para. I never understood why this should be so, but unfortunately, its the way it works. To get a blank paragraph below the table, put the cursor at the beginning of the following text paragraph and press enter. The new para mark then stores the table attributes. Terry wrote in message ups.com... I can't seem to find a paragraph mark after a table (Word 2003). Is there some trick to finding it? At the end of the last row of the table I see only a little square. The very next line after the last row of the table is the first line of the next paragraph. Brian On Sep 17, 4:59 am, "Stefan Blom" wrote: You can add some Spacing After (Format | Paragraph, Indents and Spacing tab) to the paragraph mark following the table. Note that if the paragraph below has Spacing Before, Word will only display the larger amount of the two settings for Spacing Before and After. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP wrote in message oups.com... No good. Double spacing on the last row doesn't create any space after if the table only has one row. Darn. Brian On Sep 15, 8:26 pm, wrote: Hmmmm. I'm using Word 2003, and I don't see any pilcrow at the end of a table. There's a pilcrow at the end of the paragraph that is right after the table, and it's formatted as Body Text. It seems like something is not right with Word. In the table style assigned to the table, for the Header Row I set 12 points space before, and this does just what I want and what I expect. When I set 12 points space after for the Last Row, this does nothing! Is there some trick to getting that to work? I just discovered that if I set double line spacing for the Last Row, that seems to produce 12 points of space after just the last row. That will be good enough for this particular situation since my tables only have one line of text in the last row. It wouldn't work otherwise. Brian On Sep 15, 10:38 am, "Terry Farrell" wrote: Immediately following a table is a paragraph formatting mark (the reversed P symbol or pilcrow): this holds the formatting parameters of the table. If you select it (it should select the whole table) and you can use Format, Paragraph and set the Space Before and Space After settings. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP wrote in message ups.com... I want space both before and after a table, but not between rows of a table. Can someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks, Brian Murphy |
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table style question, space before and after
Are you sure about this, Terry? I thought the table attributes were stored
in the end-of-table marker. The requirement for a normal text paragraph after a table at the end of a document is to store the *document* (that is, section) formatting. I'm not sure what the required empty paragraph after a table in the Header/Footer is supposed to for, though. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... If you don't put a 'blank paragraph' between the table and the following text paragraph, then the table attributes are stored with the paragraph mark of the following text para. I never understood why this should be so, but unfortunately, its the way it works. To get a blank paragraph below the table, put the cursor at the beginning of the following text paragraph and press enter. The new para mark then stores the table attributes. Terry wrote in message ups.com... I can't seem to find a paragraph mark after a table (Word 2003). Is there some trick to finding it? At the end of the last row of the table I see only a little square. The very next line after the last row of the table is the first line of the next paragraph. Brian On Sep 17, 4:59 am, "Stefan Blom" wrote: You can add some Spacing After (Format | Paragraph, Indents and Spacing tab) to the paragraph mark following the table. Note that if the paragraph below has Spacing Before, Word will only display the larger amount of the two settings for Spacing Before and After. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP wrote in message oups.com... No good. Double spacing on the last row doesn't create any space after if the table only has one row. Darn. Brian On Sep 15, 8:26 pm, wrote: Hmmmm. I'm using Word 2003, and I don't see any pilcrow at the end of a table. There's a pilcrow at the end of the paragraph that is right after the table, and it's formatted as Body Text. It seems like something is not right with Word. In the table style assigned to the table, for the Header Row I set 12 points space before, and this does just what I want and what I expect. When I set 12 points space after for the Last Row, this does nothing! Is there some trick to getting that to work? I just discovered that if I set double line spacing for the Last Row, that seems to produce 12 points of space after just the last row. That will be good enough for this particular situation since my tables only have one line of text in the last row. It wouldn't work otherwise. Brian On Sep 15, 10:38 am, "Terry Farrell" wrote: Immediately following a table is a paragraph formatting mark (the reversed P symbol or pilcrow): this holds the formatting parameters of the table. If you select it (it should select the whole table) and you can use Format, Paragraph and set the Space Before and Space After settings. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP wrote in message ups.com... I want space both before and after a table, but not between rows of a table. Can someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks, Brian Murphy |
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table style question, space before and after
I don't see much difference between this and using unindented paragraphs
following left-aligned headings even though the remainder of the text paragraphs have a first-line indent. The whole concept of styles is to apply the formatting that is required for a given purpose, and I see the paragraph after a table as meeting this test. I set the "Style for following paragraph" to be whatever flavor of Body Text I'm using for the main portion, so it's (almost) effortless. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. wrote in message ps.com... I would like to avoid using special styles in special places. If the table style would actually put in the space after the last row, I would have what I want. But something is preventing it from showing up, even though the style has a setting for it, which I have set accordingly. I see this as either a bug, or there is some subtlety about how to go about setting that option in the table style. Perhaps there is some setting somewhere that is overriding it or disabling it. Brian On Sep 17, 8:28 am, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I usually just add Space After to the text before the table and Space Before to the paragraph after the table. I have a Body Text Space Before style that I use for this and other applications where I want to leave extra space above a paragraph. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site:http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. |
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Suzanne
This is something I have always had a hard time getting my head around. I find that if there is a blank para following the table, I can select the table and use format, para to add space below to adjust the space between the table and following para. If there isn't a blank para, then selecting the table and adding Space Below adds the space to the table cells. I'll have to play with this some more but these results seem to contradict the formatting being held in the final cell marker. (Maybe this is only true if there is nothing following the table other than the para mark?) Terry "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Are you sure about this, Terry? I thought the table attributes were stored in the end-of-table marker. The requirement for a normal text paragraph after a table at the end of a document is to store the *document* (that is, section) formatting. I'm not sure what the required empty paragraph after a table in the Header/Footer is supposed to for, though. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... If you don't put a 'blank paragraph' between the table and the following text paragraph, then the table attributes are stored with the paragraph mark of the following text para. I never understood why this should be so, but unfortunately, its the way it works. To get a blank paragraph below the table, put the cursor at the beginning of the following text paragraph and press enter. The new para mark then stores the table attributes. Terry wrote in message ups.com... I can't seem to find a paragraph mark after a table (Word 2003). Is there some trick to finding it? At the end of the last row of the table I see only a little square. The very next line after the last row of the table is the first line of the next paragraph. Brian On Sep 17, 4:59 am, "Stefan Blom" wrote: You can add some Spacing After (Format | Paragraph, Indents and Spacing tab) to the paragraph mark following the table. Note that if the paragraph below has Spacing Before, Word will only display the larger amount of the two settings for Spacing Before and After. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP wrote in message oups.com... No good. Double spacing on the last row doesn't create any space after if the table only has one row. Darn. Brian On Sep 15, 8:26 pm, wrote: Hmmmm. I'm using Word 2003, and I don't see any pilcrow at the end of a table. There's a pilcrow at the end of the paragraph that is right after the table, and it's formatted as Body Text. It seems like something is not right with Word. In the table style assigned to the table, for the Header Row I set 12 points space before, and this does just what I want and what I expect. When I set 12 points space after for the Last Row, this does nothing! Is there some trick to getting that to work? I just discovered that if I set double line spacing for the Last Row, that seems to produce 12 points of space after just the last row. That will be good enough for this particular situation since my tables only have one line of text in the last row. It wouldn't work otherwise. Brian On Sep 15, 10:38 am, "Terry Farrell" wrote: Immediately following a table is a paragraph formatting mark (the reversed P symbol or pilcrow): this holds the formatting parameters of the table. If you select it (it should select the whole table) and you can use Format, Paragraph and set the Space Before and Space After settings. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP wrote in message ups.com... I want space both before and after a table, but not between rows of a table. Can someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks, Brian Murphy |
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When you add space below to that blank paragraph, you're adding it to the
paragraph. If you have nonprinting characters displayed, this is very evident. The paragraph alone, if left empty, creates space below the table, too, but I don't leave empty paragraphs anywhere except when absolutely necessary (as between a TOC and a section break or between TOCs). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... Suzanne This is something I have always had a hard time getting my head around. I find that if there is a blank para following the table, I can select the table and use format, para to add space below to adjust the space between the table and following para. If there isn't a blank para, then selecting the table and adding Space Below adds the space to the table cells. I'll have to play with this some more but these results seem to contradict the formatting being held in the final cell marker. (Maybe this is only true if there is nothing following the table other than the para mark?) Terry "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Are you sure about this, Terry? I thought the table attributes were stored in the end-of-table marker. The requirement for a normal text paragraph after a table at the end of a document is to store the *document* (that is, section) formatting. I'm not sure what the required empty paragraph after a table in the Header/Footer is supposed to for, though. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... If you don't put a 'blank paragraph' between the table and the following text paragraph, then the table attributes are stored with the paragraph mark of the following text para. I never understood why this should be so, but unfortunately, its the way it works. To get a blank paragraph below the table, put the cursor at the beginning of the following text paragraph and press enter. The new para mark then stores the table attributes. Terry wrote in message ups.com... I can't seem to find a paragraph mark after a table (Word 2003). Is there some trick to finding it? At the end of the last row of the table I see only a little square. The very next line after the last row of the table is the first line of the next paragraph. Brian On Sep 17, 4:59 am, "Stefan Blom" wrote: You can add some Spacing After (Format | Paragraph, Indents and Spacing tab) to the paragraph mark following the table. Note that if the paragraph below has Spacing Before, Word will only display the larger amount of the two settings for Spacing Before and After. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP wrote in message oups.com... No good. Double spacing on the last row doesn't create any space after if the table only has one row. Darn. Brian On Sep 15, 8:26 pm, wrote: Hmmmm. I'm using Word 2003, and I don't see any pilcrow at the end of a table. There's a pilcrow at the end of the paragraph that is right after the table, and it's formatted as Body Text. It seems like something is not right with Word. In the table style assigned to the table, for the Header Row I set 12 points space before, and this does just what I want and what I expect. When I set 12 points space after for the Last Row, this does nothing! Is there some trick to getting that to work? I just discovered that if I set double line spacing for the Last Row, that seems to produce 12 points of space after just the last row. That will be good enough for this particular situation since my tables only have one line of text in the last row. It wouldn't work otherwise. Brian On Sep 15, 10:38 am, "Terry Farrell" wrote: Immediately following a table is a paragraph formatting mark (the reversed P symbol or pilcrow): this holds the formatting parameters of the table. If you select it (it should select the whole table) and you can use Format, Paragraph and set the Space Before and Space After settings. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP wrote in message ups.com... I want space both before and after a table, but not between rows of a table. Can someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks, Brian Murphy |
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Suzanne
I rarely leave empty paras the exceptions being similar - under ToCs and under Tables. But I am looking into the latter at the moment. Terry "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... When you add space below to that blank paragraph, you're adding it to the paragraph. If you have nonprinting characters displayed, this is very evident. The paragraph alone, if left empty, creates space below the table, too, but I don't leave empty paragraphs anywhere except when absolutely necessary (as between a TOC and a section break or between TOCs). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... Suzanne This is something I have always had a hard time getting my head around. I find that if there is a blank para following the table, I can select the table and use format, para to add space below to adjust the space between the table and following para. If there isn't a blank para, then selecting the table and adding Space Below adds the space to the table cells. I'll have to play with this some more but these results seem to contradict the formatting being held in the final cell marker. (Maybe this is only true if there is nothing following the table other than the para mark?) Terry "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Are you sure about this, Terry? I thought the table attributes were stored in the end-of-table marker. The requirement for a normal text paragraph after a table at the end of a document is to store the *document* (that is, section) formatting. I'm not sure what the required empty paragraph after a table in the Header/Footer is supposed to for, though. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... If you don't put a 'blank paragraph' between the table and the following text paragraph, then the table attributes are stored with the paragraph mark of the following text para. I never understood why this should be so, but unfortunately, its the way it works. To get a blank paragraph below the table, put the cursor at the beginning of the following text paragraph and press enter. The new para mark then stores the table attributes. Terry wrote in message ups.com... I can't seem to find a paragraph mark after a table (Word 2003). Is there some trick to finding it? At the end of the last row of the table I see only a little square. The very next line after the last row of the table is the first line of the next paragraph. Brian On Sep 17, 4:59 am, "Stefan Blom" wrote: You can add some Spacing After (Format | Paragraph, Indents and Spacing tab) to the paragraph mark following the table. Note that if the paragraph below has Spacing Before, Word will only display the larger amount of the two settings for Spacing Before and After. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP wrote in message oups.com... No good. Double spacing on the last row doesn't create any space after if the table only has one row. Darn. Brian On Sep 15, 8:26 pm, wrote: Hmmmm. I'm using Word 2003, and I don't see any pilcrow at the end of a table. There's a pilcrow at the end of the paragraph that is right after the table, and it's formatted as Body Text. It seems like something is not right with Word. In the table style assigned to the table, for the Header Row I set 12 points space before, and this does just what I want and what I expect. When I set 12 points space after for the Last Row, this does nothing! Is there some trick to getting that to work? I just discovered that if I set double line spacing for the Last Row, that seems to produce 12 points of space after just the last row. That will be good enough for this particular situation since my tables only have one line of text in the last row. It wouldn't work otherwise. Brian On Sep 15, 10:38 am, "Terry Farrell" wrote: Immediately following a table is a paragraph formatting mark (the reversed P symbol or pilcrow): this holds the formatting parameters of the table. If you select it (it should select the whole table) and you can use Format, Paragraph and set the Space Before and Space After settings. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP wrote in message ups.com... I want space both before and after a table, but not between rows of a table. Can someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks, Brian Murphy |
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Do y'all agree that if you go Modify / Table Style/Last Row/Paragraph/
Space After that this should add the elusive space after a table? I'm still hoping that if this is done in just the right way, it will work. Brian Murphy Austin, Texas On Sep 17, 3:46 pm, "Terry Farrell" wrote: Suzanne I rarely leave empty paras the exceptions being similar - under ToCs and under Tables. But I am looking into the latter at the moment. Terry "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in l... When you add space below to that blank paragraph, you're adding it to the paragraph. If you have nonprinting characters displayed, this is very evident. The paragraph alone, if left empty, creates space below the table, too, but I don't leave empty paragraphs anywhere except when absolutely necessary (as between a TOC and a section break or between TOCs). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site:http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... Suzanne This is something I have always had a hard time getting my head around. I find that if there is a blank para following the table, I can select the table and use format, para to add space below to adjust the space between the table and following para. If there isn't a blank para, then selecting the table and adding Space Below adds the space to the table cells. I'll have to play with this some more but these results seem to contradict the formatting being held in the final cell marker. (Maybe this is only true if there is nothing following the table other than the para mark?) Terry "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message .. . Are you sure about this, Terry? I thought the table attributes were stored in the end-of-table marker. The requirement for a normal text paragraph after a table at the end of a document is to store the *document* (that is, section) formatting. I'm not sure what the required empty paragraph after a table in the Header/Footer is supposed to for, though. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site:http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... If you don't put a 'blank paragraph' between the table and the following text paragraph, then the table attributes are stored with the paragraph mark of the following text para. I never understood why this should be so, but unfortunately, its the way it works. To get a blank paragraph below the table, put the cursor at the beginning of the following text paragraph and press enter. The new para mark then stores the table attributes. Terry wrote in message roups.com... I can't seem to find a paragraph mark after a table (Word 2003). Is there some trick to finding it? At the end of the last row of the table I see only a little square. The very next line after the last row of the table is the first line of the next paragraph. Brian On Sep 17, 4:59 am, "Stefan Blom" wrote: You can add some Spacing After (Format | Paragraph, Indents and Spacing tab) to the paragraph mark following the table. Note that if the paragraph below has Spacing Before, Word will only display the larger amount of the two settings for Spacing Before and After. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP wrote in message groups.com... No good. Double spacing on the last row doesn't create any space after if the table only has one row. Darn. Brian On Sep 15, 8:26 pm, wrote: Hmmmm. I'm using Word 2003, and I don't see any pilcrow at the end of a table. There's a pilcrow at the end of the paragraph that is right after the table, and it's formatted as Body Text. It seems like something is not right with Word. In the table style assigned to the table, for the Header Row I set 12 points space before, and this does just what I want and what I expect. When I set 12 points space after for the Last Row, this does nothing! Is there some trick to getting that to work? I just discovered that if I set double line spacing for the Last Row, that seems to produce 12 points of space after just the last row. That will be good enough for this particular situation since my tables only have one line of text in the last row. It wouldn't work otherwise. Brian On Sep 15, 10:38 am, "Terry Farrell" wrote: Immediately following a table is a paragraph formatting mark (the reversed P symbol or pilcrow): this holds the formatting parameters of the table. If you select it (it should select the whole table) and you can use Format, Paragraph and set the Space Before and Space After settings. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP wrote in message ups.com... I want space both before and after a table, but not between rows of a table. Can someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks, Brian Murphy |
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It should add the space after the paragraph, but it will likely still be
inside the table. This won't matter unless you're using borders, but if you are, it won't be helpful. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. wrote in message oups.com... Do y'all agree that if you go Modify / Table Style/Last Row/Paragraph/ Space After that this should add the elusive space after a table? I'm still hoping that if this is done in just the right way, it will work. Brian Murphy Austin, Texas On Sep 17, 3:46 pm, "Terry Farrell" wrote: Suzanne I rarely leave empty paras the exceptions being similar - under ToCs and under Tables. But I am looking into the latter at the moment. Terry "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in l... When you add space below to that blank paragraph, you're adding it to the paragraph. If you have nonprinting characters displayed, this is very evident. The paragraph alone, if left empty, creates space below the table, too, but I don't leave empty paragraphs anywhere except when absolutely necessary (as between a TOC and a section break or between TOCs). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site:http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... Suzanne This is something I have always had a hard time getting my head around. I find that if there is a blank para following the table, I can select the table and use format, para to add space below to adjust the space between the table and following para. If there isn't a blank para, then selecting the table and adding Space Below adds the space to the table cells. I'll have to play with this some more but these results seem to contradict the formatting being held in the final cell marker. (Maybe this is only true if there is nothing following the table other than the para mark?) Terry "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message .. . Are you sure about this, Terry? I thought the table attributes were stored in the end-of-table marker. The requirement for a normal text paragraph after a table at the end of a document is to store the *document* (that is, section) formatting. I'm not sure what the required empty paragraph after a table in the Header/Footer is supposed to for, though. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site:http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... If you don't put a 'blank paragraph' between the table and the following text paragraph, then the table attributes are stored with the paragraph mark of the following text para. I never understood why this should be so, but unfortunately, its the way it works. To get a blank paragraph below the table, put the cursor at the beginning of the following text paragraph and press enter. The new para mark then stores the table attributes. Terry wrote in message roups.com... I can't seem to find a paragraph mark after a table (Word 2003). Is there some trick to finding it? At the end of the last row of the table I see only a little square. The very next line after the last row of the table is the first line of the next paragraph. Brian On Sep 17, 4:59 am, "Stefan Blom" wrote: You can add some Spacing After (Format | Paragraph, Indents and Spacing tab) to the paragraph mark following the table. Note that if the paragraph below has Spacing Before, Word will only display the larger amount of the two settings for Spacing Before and After. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP wrote in message groups.com... No good. Double spacing on the last row doesn't create any space after if the table only has one row. Darn. Brian On Sep 15, 8:26 pm, wrote: Hmmmm. I'm using Word 2003, and I don't see any pilcrow at the end of a table. There's a pilcrow at the end of the paragraph that is right after the table, and it's formatted as Body Text. It seems like something is not right with Word. In the table style assigned to the table, for the Header Row I set 12 points space before, and this does just what I want and what I expect. When I set 12 points space after for the Last Row, this does nothing! Is there some trick to getting that to work? I just discovered that if I set double line spacing for the Last Row, that seems to produce 12 points of space after just the last row. That will be good enough for this particular situation since my tables only have one line of text in the last row. It wouldn't work otherwise. Brian On Sep 15, 10:38 am, "Terry Farrell" wrote: Immediately following a table is a paragraph formatting mark (the reversed P symbol or pilcrow): this holds the formatting parameters of the table. If you select it (it should select the whole table) and you can use Format, Paragraph and set the Space Before and Space After settings. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP wrote in message ups.com... I want space both before and after a table, but not between rows of a table. Can someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks, Brian Murphy |
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But I agree with the OP that what we really want here is "spacing below the
table" rather than "spacing above the following paragraph of text." In other words, logically speaking, the spacing should, ideally, be tied to the table (and it should be applied below any bottom border). Of course, this cannot be accomplished in Word, so we do the second best thing... -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I don't see much difference between this and using unindented paragraphs following left-aligned headings even though the remainder of the text paragraphs have a first-line indent. The whole concept of styles is to apply the formatting that is required for a given purpose, and I see the paragraph after a table as meeting this test. I set the "Style for following paragraph" to be whatever flavor of Body Text I'm using for the main portion, so it's (almost) effortless. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. wrote in message ps.com... I would like to avoid using special styles in special places. If the table style would actually put in the space after the last row, I would have what I want. But something is preventing it from showing up, even though the style has a setting for it, which I have set accordingly. I see this as either a bug, or there is some subtlety about how to go about setting that option in the table style. Perhaps there is some setting somewhere that is overriding it or disabling it. Brian On Sep 17, 8:28 am, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I usually just add Space After to the text before the table and Space Before to the paragraph after the table. I have a Body Text Space Before style that I use for this and other applications where I want to leave extra space above a paragraph. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site:http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. |
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Oh, I have no argument with that. How long have we been asking for this type
of formatting? But, as you say, until we get what we really need, we have to use a workaround. (Another thing I hope to see before I die is a "Keep with previous" property.) -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... But I agree with the OP that what we really want here is "spacing below the table" rather than "spacing above the following paragraph of text." In other words, logically speaking, the spacing should, ideally, be tied to the table (and it should be applied below any bottom border). Of course, this cannot be accomplished in Word, so we do the second best thing... -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I don't see much difference between this and using unindented paragraphs following left-aligned headings even though the remainder of the text paragraphs have a first-line indent. The whole concept of styles is to apply the formatting that is required for a given purpose, and I see the paragraph after a table as meeting this test. I set the "Style for following paragraph" to be whatever flavor of Body Text I'm using for the main portion, so it's (almost) effortless. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. wrote in message ps.com... I would like to avoid using special styles in special places. If the table style would actually put in the space after the last row, I would have what I want. But something is preventing it from showing up, even though the style has a setting for it, which I have set accordingly. I see this as either a bug, or there is some subtlety about how to go about setting that option in the table style. Perhaps there is some setting somewhere that is overriding it or disabling it. Brian On Sep 17, 8:28 am, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I usually just add Space After to the text before the table and Space Before to the paragraph after the table. I have a Body Text Space Before style that I use for this and other applications where I want to leave extra space above a paragraph. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site:http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. |
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In my particular case (I'm using tables to handle equation captions)
my tables have no borders. When I set this option to any number of points, no space is added anywhere that I can see, inside or outside the table. Do you get something different when you do this? Brian On Sep 17, 11:10 pm, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: It should add the space after the paragraph, but it will likely still be inside the table. This won't matter unless you're using borders, but if you are, it won't be helpful. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site:http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. wrote in message oups.com... Do y'all agree that if you go Modify / Table Style/Last Row/Paragraph/ Space After that this should add the elusive space after a table? I'm still hoping that if this is done in just the right way, it will work. Brian Murphy Austin, Texas On Sep 17, 3:46 pm, "Terry Farrell" wrote: Suzanne I rarely leave empty paras the exceptions being similar - under ToCs and under Tables. But I am looking into the latter at the moment. Terry "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in l... When you add space below to that blank paragraph, you're adding it to the paragraph. If you have nonprinting characters displayed, this is very evident. The paragraph alone, if left empty, creates space below the table, too, but I don't leave empty paragraphs anywhere except when absolutely necessary (as between a TOC and a section break or between TOCs). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site:http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... Suzanne This is something I have always had a hard time getting my head around. I find that if there is a blank para following the table, I can select the table and use format, para to add space below to adjust the space between the table and following para. If there isn't a blank para, then selecting the table and adding Space Below adds the space to the table cells. I'll have to play with this some more but these results seem to contradict the formatting being held in the final cell marker. (Maybe this is only true if there is nothing following the table other than the para mark?) Terry "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message .. . Are you sure about this, Terry? I thought the table attributes were stored in the end-of-table marker. The requirement for a normal text paragraph after a table at the end of a document is to store the *document* (that is, section) formatting. I'm not sure what the required empty paragraph after a table in the Header/Footer is supposed to for, though. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site:http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... If you don't put a 'blank paragraph' between the table and the following text paragraph, then the table attributes are stored with the paragraph mark of the following text para. I never understood why this should be so, but unfortunately, its the way it works. To get a blank paragraph below the table, put the cursor at the beginning of the following text paragraph and press enter. The new para mark then stores the table attributes. Terry wrote in message roups.com... I can't seem to find a paragraph mark after a table (Word 2003). Is there some trick to finding it? At the end of the last row of the table I see only a little square. The very next line after the last row of the table is the first line of the next paragraph. Brian On Sep 17, 4:59 am, "Stefan Blom" wrote: You can add some Spacing After (Format | Paragraph, Indents and Spacing tab) to the paragraph mark following the table. Note that if the paragraph below has Spacing Before, Word will only display the larger amount of the two settings for Spacing Before and After. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP wrote in message groups.com... No good. Double spacing on the last row doesn't create any space after if the table only has one row. Darn. Brian On Sep 15, 8:26 pm, wrote: Hmmmm. I'm using Word 2003, and I don't see any pilcrow at the end of a table. There's a pilcrow at the end of the paragraph that is right after the table, and it's formatted as Body Text. It seems like something is not right with Word. In the table style assigned to the table, for the Header Row I set 12 points space before, and this does just what I want and what I expect. When I set 12 points space after for the Last Row, this does nothing! Is there some trick to getting that to work? I just discovered that if I set double line spacing for the Last Row, that seems to produce 12 points of space after just the last row. That will be good enough for this particular situation since my tables only have one line of text in the last row. It wouldn't work otherwise. Brian On Sep 15, 10:38 am, "Terry Farrell" wrote: Immediately following a table is a paragraph formatting mark (the reversed P symbol or pilcrow): this holds the formatting parameters of the table. If you select it (it should select the whole table) and you can use Format, Paragraph and set the Space Before and Space After settings. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP wrote in message ups.com... I want space both before and after a table, but not between rows of a table. Can someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks, Brian Murphy |
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If I add Space After to a paragraph in a table, I get Space After that
paragraph (inside the table), but it would not make a difference if the row height were set to an Exact amount (the vertical alignment of the cell contents might make a difference, too). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. wrote in message ups.com... In my particular case (I'm using tables to handle equation captions) my tables have no borders. When I set this option to any number of points, no space is added anywhere that I can see, inside or outside the table. Do you get something different when you do this? Brian On Sep 17, 11:10 pm, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: It should add the space after the paragraph, but it will likely still be inside the table. This won't matter unless you're using borders, but if you are, it won't be helpful. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site:http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. wrote in message oups.com... Do y'all agree that if you go Modify / Table Style/Last Row/Paragraph/ Space After that this should add the elusive space after a table? I'm still hoping that if this is done in just the right way, it will work. Brian Murphy Austin, Texas On Sep 17, 3:46 pm, "Terry Farrell" wrote: Suzanne I rarely leave empty paras the exceptions being similar - under ToCs and under Tables. But I am looking into the latter at the moment. Terry "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in l... When you add space below to that blank paragraph, you're adding it to the paragraph. If you have nonprinting characters displayed, this is very evident. The paragraph alone, if left empty, creates space below the table, too, but I don't leave empty paragraphs anywhere except when absolutely necessary (as between a TOC and a section break or between TOCs). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site:http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... Suzanne This is something I have always had a hard time getting my head around. I find that if there is a blank para following the table, I can select the table and use format, para to add space below to adjust the space between the table and following para. If there isn't a blank para, then selecting the table and adding Space Below adds the space to the table cells. I'll have to play with this some more but these results seem to contradict the formatting being held in the final cell marker. (Maybe this is only true if there is nothing following the table other than the para mark?) Terry "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message .. . Are you sure about this, Terry? I thought the table attributes were stored in the end-of-table marker. The requirement for a normal text paragraph after a table at the end of a document is to store the *document* (that is, section) formatting. I'm not sure what the required empty paragraph after a table in the Header/Footer is supposed to for, though. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site:http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... If you don't put a 'blank paragraph' between the table and the following text paragraph, then the table attributes are stored with the paragraph mark of the following text para. I never understood why this should be so, but unfortunately, its the way it works. To get a blank paragraph below the table, put the cursor at the beginning of the following text paragraph and press enter. The new para mark then stores the table attributes. Terry wrote in message roups.com... I can't seem to find a paragraph mark after a table (Word 2003). Is there some trick to finding it? At the end of the last row of the table I see only a little square. The very next line after the last row of the table is the first line of the next paragraph. Brian On Sep 17, 4:59 am, "Stefan Blom" wrote: You can add some Spacing After (Format | Paragraph, Indents and Spacing tab) to the paragraph mark following the table. Note that if the paragraph below has Spacing Before, Word will only display the larger amount of the two settings for Spacing Before and After. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP wrote in message groups.com... No good. Double spacing on the last row doesn't create any space after if the table only has one row. Darn. Brian On Sep 15, 8:26 pm, wrote: Hmmmm. I'm using Word 2003, and I don't see any pilcrow at the end of a table. There's a pilcrow at the end of the paragraph that is right after the table, and it's formatted as Body Text. It seems like something is not right with Word. In the table style assigned to the table, for the Header Row I set 12 points space before, and this does just what I want and what I expect. When I set 12 points space after for the Last Row, this does nothing! Is there some trick to getting that to work? I just discovered that if I set double line spacing for the Last Row, that seems to produce 12 points of space after just the last row. That will be good enough for this particular situation since my tables only have one line of text in the last row. It wouldn't work otherwise. Brian On Sep 15, 10:38 am, "Terry Farrell" wrote: Immediately following a table is a paragraph formatting mark (the reversed P symbol or pilcrow): this holds the formatting parameters of the table. If you select it (it should select the whole table) and you can use Format, Paragraph and set the Space Before and Space After settings. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP wrote in message ups.com... I want space both before and after a table, but not between rows of a table. Can someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks, Brian Murphy |
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Now that you've pointed it out, I see that the space before for the
"header row" is also inside the table as opposed to being before the table. Looks like Microsoft has some work to do for the next Service Pack. These options would be very useful if they did what it seems they should. Brian On Sep 18, 10:46 am, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If I add Space After to a paragraph in a table, I get Space After that paragraph (inside the table), but it would not make a difference if the row height were set to an Exact amount (the vertical alignment of the cell contents might make a difference, too). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site:http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. wrote in message ups.com... In my particular case (I'm using tables to handle equation captions) my tables have no borders. When I set this option to any number of points, no space is added anywhere that I can see, inside or outside the table. Do you get something different when you do this? Brian On Sep 17, 11:10 pm, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: It should add the space after the paragraph, but it will likely still be inside the table. This won't matter unless you're using borders, but if you are, it won't be helpful. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site:http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. wrote in message roups.com... Do y'all agree that if you go Modify / Table Style/Last Row/Paragraph/ Space After that this should add the elusive space after a table? I'm still hoping that if this is done in just the right way, it will work. Brian Murphy Austin, Texas On Sep 17, 3:46 pm, "Terry Farrell" wrote: Suzanne I rarely leave empty paras the exceptions being similar - under ToCs and under Tables. But I am looking into the latter at the moment. Terry "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in l... When you add space below to that blank paragraph, you're adding it to the paragraph. If you have nonprinting characters displayed, this is very evident. The paragraph alone, if left empty, creates space below the table, too, but I don't leave empty paragraphs anywhere except when absolutely necessary (as between a TOC and a section break or between TOCs). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site:http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... Suzanne This is something I have always had a hard time getting my head around. I find that if there is a blank para following the table, I can select the table and use format, para to add space below to adjust the space between the table and following para. If there isn't a blank para, then selecting the table and adding Space Below adds the space to the table cells. I'll have to play with this some more but these results seem to contradict the formatting being held in the final cell marker. (Maybe this is only true if there is nothing following the table other than the para mark?) Terry "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message .. . Are you sure about this, Terry? I thought the table attributes were stored in the end-of-table marker. The requirement for a normal text paragraph after a table at the end of a document is to store the *document* (that is, section) formatting. I'm not sure what the required empty paragraph after a table in the Header/Footer is supposed to for, though. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site:http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... If you don't put a 'blank paragraph' between the table and the following text paragraph, then the table attributes are stored with the paragraph mark of the following text para. I never understood why this should be so, but unfortunately, its the way it works. To get a blank paragraph below the table, put the cursor at the beginning of the following text paragraph and press enter. The new para mark then stores the table attributes. Terry wrote in message roups.com... I can't seem to find a paragraph mark after a table (Word 2003). Is there some trick to finding it? At the end of the last row of the table I see only a little square. The very next line after the last row of the table is the first line of the next paragraph. Brian On Sep 17, 4:59 am, "Stefan Blom" wrote: You can add some Spacing After (Format | Paragraph, Indents and Spacing tab) to the paragraph mark following the table. Note that if the paragraph below has Spacing Before, Word will only display the larger amount of the two settings for Spacing Before and After. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP wrote in message groups.com... No good. Double spacing on the last row doesn't create any space after if the table only has one row. Darn. Brian On Sep 15, 8:26 pm, wrote: Hmmmm. I'm using Word 2003, and I don't see any pilcrow at the end of a table. There's a pilcrow at the end of the paragraph that is right after the table, and it's formatted as Body Text. It seems like something is not right with Word. In the table style assigned to the table, for the Header Row I set 12 points space before, and this does just what I want and what I expect. When I set 12 points space after for the Last Row, this does nothing! Is there some trick to getting that to work? I just discovered that if I set double line spacing for the Last Row, that seems to produce 12 points of space after just the last row. That will be good enough for this particular situation since my tables only have one line of text in the last row. It wouldn't work otherwise. Brian On Sep 15, 10:38 am, "Terry Farrell" wrote: Immediately following a table is a paragraph formatting mark (the reversed P symbol or pilcrow): this holds the formatting parameters of the table. If you select it (it should select the whole table) and you can use Format, Paragraph and set the Space Before and Space After settings. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP wrote in message ups.com... I want space both before and after a table, but not between rows of a table. Can someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks, Brian Murphy |
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table style question, space before and after
Suzanne
I've pulled up some old documents that I remember working the way I thought and the reason is that the Table are not In Line but are floating in a frame where they behave as though they are graphics. That explains why I could get the space below to work: not at all what I thought! Terry "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... When you add space below to that blank paragraph, you're adding it to the paragraph. If you have nonprinting characters displayed, this is very evident. The paragraph alone, if left empty, creates space below the table, too, but I don't leave empty paragraphs anywhere except when absolutely necessary (as between a TOC and a section break or between TOCs). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... Suzanne This is something I have always had a hard time getting my head around. I find that if there is a blank para following the table, I can select the table and use format, para to add space below to adjust the space between the table and following para. If there isn't a blank para, then selecting the table and adding Space Below adds the space to the table cells. I'll have to play with this some more but these results seem to contradict the formatting being held in the final cell marker. (Maybe this is only true if there is nothing following the table other than the para mark?) Terry "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Are you sure about this, Terry? I thought the table attributes were stored in the end-of-table marker. The requirement for a normal text paragraph after a table at the end of a document is to store the *document* (that is, section) formatting. I'm not sure what the required empty paragraph after a table in the Header/Footer is supposed to for, though. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... If you don't put a 'blank paragraph' between the table and the following text paragraph, then the table attributes are stored with the paragraph mark of the following text para. I never understood why this should be so, but unfortunately, its the way it works. To get a blank paragraph below the table, put the cursor at the beginning of the following text paragraph and press enter. The new para mark then stores the table attributes. Terry wrote in message ups.com... I can't seem to find a paragraph mark after a table (Word 2003). Is there some trick to finding it? At the end of the last row of the table I see only a little square. The very next line after the last row of the table is the first line of the next paragraph. Brian On Sep 17, 4:59 am, "Stefan Blom" wrote: You can add some Spacing After (Format | Paragraph, Indents and Spacing tab) to the paragraph mark following the table. Note that if the paragraph below has Spacing Before, Word will only display the larger amount of the two settings for Spacing Before and After. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP wrote in message oups.com... No good. Double spacing on the last row doesn't create any space after if the table only has one row. Darn. Brian On Sep 15, 8:26 pm, wrote: Hmmmm. I'm using Word 2003, and I don't see any pilcrow at the end of a table. There's a pilcrow at the end of the paragraph that is right after the table, and it's formatted as Body Text. It seems like something is not right with Word. In the table style assigned to the table, for the Header Row I set 12 points space before, and this does just what I want and what I expect. When I set 12 points space after for the Last Row, this does nothing! Is there some trick to getting that to work? I just discovered that if I set double line spacing for the Last Row, that seems to produce 12 points of space after just the last row. That will be good enough for this particular situation since my tables only have one line of text in the last row. It wouldn't work otherwise. Brian On Sep 15, 10:38 am, "Terry Farrell" wrote: Immediately following a table is a paragraph formatting mark (the reversed P symbol or pilcrow): this holds the formatting parameters of the table. If you select it (it should select the whole table) and you can use Format, Paragraph and set the Space Before and Space After settings. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP wrote in message ups.com... I want space both before and after a table, but not between rows of a table. Can someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks, Brian Murphy |
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table style question, space before and after
Ah, yes, that does make sense.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... Suzanne I've pulled up some old documents that I remember working the way I thought and the reason is that the Table are not In Line but are floating in a frame where they behave as though they are graphics. That explains why I could get the space below to work: not at all what I thought! Terry "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... When you add space below to that blank paragraph, you're adding it to the paragraph. If you have nonprinting characters displayed, this is very evident. The paragraph alone, if left empty, creates space below the table, too, but I don't leave empty paragraphs anywhere except when absolutely necessary (as between a TOC and a section break or between TOCs). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... Suzanne This is something I have always had a hard time getting my head around. I find that if there is a blank para following the table, I can select the table and use format, para to add space below to adjust the space between the table and following para. If there isn't a blank para, then selecting the table and adding Space Below adds the space to the table cells. I'll have to play with this some more but these results seem to contradict the formatting being held in the final cell marker. (Maybe this is only true if there is nothing following the table other than the para mark?) Terry "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Are you sure about this, Terry? I thought the table attributes were stored in the end-of-table marker. The requirement for a normal text paragraph after a table at the end of a document is to store the *document* (that is, section) formatting. I'm not sure what the required empty paragraph after a table in the Header/Footer is supposed to for, though. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... If you don't put a 'blank paragraph' between the table and the following text paragraph, then the table attributes are stored with the paragraph mark of the following text para. I never understood why this should be so, but unfortunately, its the way it works. To get a blank paragraph below the table, put the cursor at the beginning of the following text paragraph and press enter. The new para mark then stores the table attributes. Terry wrote in message ups.com... I can't seem to find a paragraph mark after a table (Word 2003). Is there some trick to finding it? At the end of the last row of the table I see only a little square. The very next line after the last row of the table is the first line of the next paragraph. Brian On Sep 17, 4:59 am, "Stefan Blom" wrote: You can add some Spacing After (Format | Paragraph, Indents and Spacing tab) to the paragraph mark following the table. Note that if the paragraph below has Spacing Before, Word will only display the larger amount of the two settings for Spacing Before and After. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP wrote in message oups.com... No good. Double spacing on the last row doesn't create any space after if the table only has one row. Darn. Brian On Sep 15, 8:26 pm, wrote: Hmmmm. I'm using Word 2003, and I don't see any pilcrow at the end of a table. There's a pilcrow at the end of the paragraph that is right after the table, and it's formatted as Body Text. It seems like something is not right with Word. In the table style assigned to the table, for the Header Row I set 12 points space before, and this does just what I want and what I expect. When I set 12 points space after for the Last Row, this does nothing! Is there some trick to getting that to work? I just discovered that if I set double line spacing for the Last Row, that seems to produce 12 points of space after just the last row. That will be good enough for this particular situation since my tables only have one line of text in the last row. It wouldn't work otherwise. Brian On Sep 15, 10:38 am, "Terry Farrell" wrote: Immediately following a table is a paragraph formatting mark (the reversed P symbol or pilcrow): this holds the formatting parameters of the table. If you select it (it should select the whole table) and you can use Format, Paragraph and set the Space Before and Space After settings. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP wrote in message ups.com... I want space both before and after a table, but not between rows of a table. Can someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks, Brian Murphy |
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