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Why won't Microsoft develop method for all fractions?
I notice a LOT of questions in this Discussion Group regarding needing the
ability to create fractions - not the basic fractions, but others, such as 3/16, 1/12, etc. Third-party fonts are not the answer; I've purchased several. I own an engineering related company and our documents look unprofessional in that if not all fractions can be displayed in the basic fraction format, then I use the "full-size" format (e.g., 3/16). One of Microsoft's suggestions discusses recipes; another recommends using Equation Editor (very, very time consuming, cumersome and does not return characters consistent with document font). Just my $0.02. |
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Neither option is that realistic.
But, I did find a solution elsewhere in this Discussion Group that APPEARS to work and is very easy to use once you've developed the Macro and added it to the Toolbar. See http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Insert_For..._Fractions.htm If I can do it (after finding where someone else did it), then Microsoft could add the same capability/function to its products very, very easily, thereby ensuring document compatability for all users. Not sure why Microsoft forces a user to jump through hoops using EE or adding a zillion AutoCorrect entries. Apparently, Microsoft doesn't think engineering-related enties are that important, only cooks and their recipes. /rant "Bob Mathews" wrote: On 25-Feb-2005, wrote: I own an engineering related company and our documents look unprofessional in that if not all fractions can be displayed in the basic fraction format, then I use the "full- size" format (e.g., 3/16). One of Microsoft's suggestions discusses recipes; another recommends using Equation Editor (very, very time consuming, cumersome and does not return characters consistent with document font). Glenn, Equation Editor (EE) returns characters in whatever font you set it up for. With EE active, the menus on Word's menu bar aren't Word menus any more; they're EE menus. With EE open, select Style Define, and set up the fonts to match your document fonts. Keep in mind that these styles must be set to Symbol font: Symbol, LC Greek, & UC Greek. Similarly, select Size Define, and set the Full size to match your document's font size. Set the rest of the sizes in percent values. I recommend these values: 58%, 45%, 150%, and 100%, respectively, from top to bottom after full-size. Be sure to include the % symbol. Setting these values to percent values allows you to change your font size by changing only the Full size value. You can also program as many fractions as you want into Word's AutoCorrect feature. Obviously there is an infinite number of fractions, and you can't include them all in AC, but I'm sure there are many that you use most often. On our web site, we have a tutorial on doing this: http://www.dessci.com/en/support/tut...t/tutorial.htm. This tutorial specifically discusses MathType, the professional version of EE, but much of what the tutorial discusses can be done with EE. -- Bob Mathews Director of Training 830-990-9699 http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType 5 Design Science, Inc. -- "How Science Communicates" MathType, WebEQ, MathPlayer, MathFlow, Equation Editor, TeXaide |
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I do see KGlennC's point... Being able to write all fractions in a
consistent format with minimal manual work would probably benefit a lot more users than something like easy-to-use drop caps. The improvement over Greg's macro that MS could add is to recognize a fraction automatically in text and trigger AutoFormat, instead of having to enter the fraction in a special box. In fact, if it were available I'd consider that to be one of the few AutoFormat As You Type options that I wouldn't turn off. ;-) -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:41:42 -0600, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I don't think you can blame Microsoft for the Unicode standard. Word makes available as made-up fractions those that are available in common fonts. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "KGlennC" wrote in message ... Neither option is that realistic. But, I did find a solution elsewhere in this Discussion Group that APPEARS to work and is very easy to use once you've developed the Macro and added it to the Toolbar. See http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Insert_For..._Fractions.htm If I can do it (after finding where someone else did it), then Microsoft could add the same capability/function to its products very, very easily, thereby ensuring document compatability for all users. Not sure why Microsoft forces a user to jump through hoops using EE or adding a zillion AutoCorrect entries. Apparently, Microsoft doesn't think engineering-related enties are that important, only cooks and their recipes. /rant "Bob Mathews" wrote: On 25-Feb-2005, wrote: I own an engineering related company and our documents look unprofessional in that if not all fractions can be displayed in the basic fraction format, then I use the "full- size" format (e.g., 3/16). One of Microsoft's suggestions discusses recipes; another recommends using Equation Editor (very, very time consuming, cumersome and does not return characters consistent with document font). Glenn, Equation Editor (EE) returns characters in whatever font you set it up for. With EE active, the menus on Word's menu bar aren't Word menus any more; they're EE menus. With EE open, select Style Define, and set up the fonts to match your document fonts. Keep in mind that these styles must be set to Symbol font: Symbol, LC Greek, & UC Greek. Similarly, select Size Define, and set the Full size to match your document's font size. Set the rest of the sizes in percent values. I recommend these values: 58%, 45%, 150%, and 100%, respectively, from top to bottom after full-size. Be sure to include the % symbol. Setting these values to percent values allows you to change your font size by changing only the Full size value. You can also program as many fractions as you want into Word's AutoCorrect feature. Obviously there is an infinite number of fractions, and you can't include them all in AC, but I'm sure there are many that you use most often. On our web site, we have a tutorial on doing this: http://www.dessci.com/en/support/tut...t/tutorial.htm. This tutorial specifically discusses MathType, the professional version of EE, but much of what the tutorial discusses can be done with EE. -- Bob Mathews Director of Training 830-990-9699 http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType 5 Design Science, Inc. -- "How Science Communicates" MathType, WebEQ, MathPlayer, MathFlow, Equation Editor, TeXaide |
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I have the existing one turned off already because I still use slashes in
dates. When I was membership chairman for the Friends of the Library, our annual membership mailing went out in late December, so we received a lot of dues in early January. I didn't want 1/2 and 1/4 converted to fractions! -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jay Freedman" wrote in message ... I do see KGlennC's point... Being able to write all fractions in a consistent format with minimal manual work would probably benefit a lot more users than something like easy-to-use drop caps. The improvement over Greg's macro that MS could add is to recognize a fraction automatically in text and trigger AutoFormat, instead of having to enter the fraction in a special box. In fact, if it were available I'd consider that to be one of the few AutoFormat As You Type options that I wouldn't turn off. ;-) -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:41:42 -0600, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I don't think you can blame Microsoft for the Unicode standard. Word makes available as made-up fractions those that are available in common fonts. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "KGlennC" wrote in message ... Neither option is that realistic. But, I did find a solution elsewhere in this Discussion Group that APPEARS to work and is very easy to use once you've developed the Macro and added it to the Toolbar. See http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Insert_For..._Fractions.htm If I can do it (after finding where someone else did it), then Microsoft could add the same capability/function to its products very, very easily, thereby ensuring document compatability for all users. Not sure why Microsoft forces a user to jump through hoops using EE or adding a zillion AutoCorrect entries. Apparently, Microsoft doesn't think engineering-related enties are that important, only cooks and their recipes. /rant "Bob Mathews" wrote: On 25-Feb-2005, wrote: I own an engineering related company and our documents look unprofessional in that if not all fractions can be displayed in the basic fraction format, then I use the "full- size" format (e.g., 3/16). One of Microsoft's suggestions discusses recipes; another recommends using Equation Editor (very, very time consuming, cumersome and does not return characters consistent with document font). Glenn, Equation Editor (EE) returns characters in whatever font you set it up for. With EE active, the menus on Word's menu bar aren't Word menus any more; they're EE menus. With EE open, select Style Define, and set up the fonts to match your document fonts. Keep in mind that these styles must be set to Symbol font: Symbol, LC Greek, & UC Greek. Similarly, select Size Define, and set the Full size to match your document's font size. Set the rest of the sizes in percent values. I recommend these values: 58%, 45%, 150%, and 100%, respectively, from top to bottom after full-size. Be sure to include the % symbol. Setting these values to percent values allows you to change your font size by changing only the Full size value. You can also program as many fractions as you want into Word's AutoCorrect feature. Obviously there is an infinite number of fractions, and you can't include them all in AC, but I'm sure there are many that you use most often. On our web site, we have a tutorial on doing this: http://www.dessci.com/en/support/tut...t/tutorial.htm. This tutorial specifically discusses MathType, the professional version of EE, but much of what the tutorial discusses can be done with EE. -- Bob Mathews Director of Training 830-990-9699 http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType 5 Design Science, Inc. -- "How Science Communicates" MathType, WebEQ, MathPlayer, MathFlow, Equation Editor, TeXaide |
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I agree wholeheartedly with KGlennC's point. I too work in engineering, and
I also work part time for a furniture store. When I am placing dimensions of furniture on the tags being displayed with very expensive furniture, it looks VERY tacky to have some looking like normal fractions and others full sized numbers ... as for dates, if you are using 3/21/05 ... you shouldn't get a fraction with that because there is more than one slash and also ... the fraction doesn't turn to a fraction until you hit space or enter ... so that shouldn't be a problem. There should be a far easier way to accomplish fractions ... for instance .... I cannot use any of the macros that are suggested numerous times in the answers to the question on "How to format Fractions" because my company will not allow us to download or install anything like this to our computers! Its pretty disgusting that the only thing that Microsoft thinks is important is someone's recipe collection. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I have the existing one turned off already because I still use slashes in dates. When I was membership chairman for the Friends of the Library, our annual membership mailing went out in late December, so we received a lot of dues in early January. I didn't want 1/2 and 1/4 converted to fractions! -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jay Freedman" wrote in message ... I do see KGlennC's point... Being able to write all fractions in a consistent format with minimal manual work would probably benefit a lot more users than something like easy-to-use drop caps. The improvement over Greg's macro that MS could add is to recognize a fraction automatically in text and trigger AutoFormat, instead of having to enter the fraction in a special box. In fact, if it were available I'd consider that to be one of the few AutoFormat As You Type options that I wouldn't turn off. ;-) -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:41:42 -0600, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I don't think you can blame Microsoft for the Unicode standard. Word makes available as made-up fractions those that are available in common fonts. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "KGlennC" wrote in message ... Neither option is that realistic. But, I did find a solution elsewhere in this Discussion Group that APPEARS to work and is very easy to use once you've developed the Macro and added it to the Toolbar. See http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Insert_For..._Fractions.htm If I can do it (after finding where someone else did it), then Microsoft could add the same capability/function to its products very, very easily, thereby ensuring document compatability for all users. Not sure why Microsoft forces a user to jump through hoops using EE or adding a zillion AutoCorrect entries. Apparently, Microsoft doesn't think engineering-related enties are that important, only cooks and their recipes. /rant "Bob Mathews" wrote: On 25-Feb-2005, wrote: I own an engineering related company and our documents look unprofessional in that if not all fractions can be displayed in the basic fraction format, then I use the "full- size" format (e.g., 3/16). One of Microsoft's suggestions discusses recipes; another recommends using Equation Editor (very, very time consuming, cumersome and does not return characters consistent with document font). Glenn, Equation Editor (EE) returns characters in whatever font you set it up for. With EE active, the menus on Word's menu bar aren't Word menus any more; they're EE menus. With EE open, select Style Define, and set up the fonts to match your document fonts. Keep in mind that these styles must be set to Symbol font: Symbol, LC Greek, & UC Greek. Similarly, select Size Define, and set the Full size to match your document's font size. Set the rest of the sizes in percent values. I recommend these values: 58%, 45%, 150%, and 100%, respectively, from top to bottom after full-size. Be sure to include the % symbol. Setting these values to percent values allows you to change your font size by changing only the Full size value. You can also program as many fractions as you want into Word's AutoCorrect feature. Obviously there is an infinite number of fractions, and you can't include them all in AC, but I'm sure there are many that you use most often. On our web site, we have a tutorial on doing this: http://www.dessci.com/en/support/tut...t/tutorial.htm. This tutorial specifically discusses MathType, the professional version of EE, but much of what the tutorial discusses can be done with EE. -- Bob Mathews Director of Training 830-990-9699 http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType 5 Design Science, Inc. -- "How Science Communicates" MathType, WebEQ, MathPlayer, MathFlow, Equation Editor, TeXaide |
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You can hardly blame Microsoft for your choice of fonts. The limited number
of formatted fractions is simply attributable to the character set of the fonts you are using and nothing whatsoever to do with the Word program. What is ridiculous is the short sightedness of the IT department that prevents you from using the tools at your disposal. This is to save them work at the cost of productivity. IT systems are supposed to aid the workforce, not inhibit them. It is time you urged management to rethink. You can format numbers to represent fractions, and macros will aid that, or you can build them manually. The various methods are described at: http://www.gmayor.com/createfraction.htm or http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Insert_For..._Fractions.htm or http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/Format...teFraction.htm Alternatively you may be able to find a specialised font that has the extra characters you require - but then I don't suppose that your bone idle IT department will allow you to use it -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org KCSherrie wrote: I agree wholeheartedly with KGlennC's point. I too work in engineering, and I also work part time for a furniture store. When I am placing dimensions of furniture on the tags being displayed with very expensive furniture, it looks VERY tacky to have some looking like normal fractions and others full sized numbers ... as for dates, if you are using 3/21/05 ... you shouldn't get a fraction with that because there is more than one slash and also ... the fraction doesn't turn to a fraction until you hit space or enter ... so that shouldn't be a problem. There should be a far easier way to accomplish fractions ... for instance ... I cannot use any of the macros that are suggested numerous times in the answers to the question on "How to format Fractions" because my company will not allow us to download or install anything like this to our computers! Its pretty disgusting that the only thing that Microsoft thinks is important is someone's recipe collection. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I have the existing one turned off already because I still use slashes in dates. When I was membership chairman for the Friends of the Library, our annual membership mailing went out in late December, so we received a lot of dues in early January. I didn't want 1/2 and 1/4 converted to fractions! -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jay Freedman" wrote in message ... I do see KGlennC's point... Being able to write all fractions in a consistent format with minimal manual work would probably benefit a lot more users than something like easy-to-use drop caps. The improvement over Greg's macro that MS could add is to recognize a fraction automatically in text and trigger AutoFormat, instead of having to enter the fraction in a special box. In fact, if it were available I'd consider that to be one of the few AutoFormat As You Type options that I wouldn't turn off. ;-) -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:41:42 -0600, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I don't think you can blame Microsoft for the Unicode standard. Word makes available as made-up fractions those that are available in common fonts. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "KGlennC" wrote in message ... Neither option is that realistic. But, I did find a solution elsewhere in this Discussion Group that APPEARS to work and is very easy to use once you've developed the Macro and added it to the Toolbar. See http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Insert_For..._Fractions.htm If I can do it (after finding where someone else did it), then Microsoft could add the same capability/function to its products very, very easily, thereby ensuring document compatability for all users. Not sure why Microsoft forces a user to jump through hoops using EE or adding a zillion AutoCorrect entries. Apparently, Microsoft doesn't think engineering-related enties are that important, only cooks and their recipes. /rant "Bob Mathews" wrote: On 25-Feb-2005, wrote: I own an engineering related company and our documents look unprofessional in that if not all fractions can be displayed in the basic fraction format, then I use the "full- size" format (e.g., 3/16). One of Microsoft's suggestions discusses recipes; another recommends using Equation Editor (very, very time consuming, cumersome and does not return characters consistent with document font). Glenn, Equation Editor (EE) returns characters in whatever font you set it up for. With EE active, the menus on Word's menu bar aren't Word menus any more; they're EE menus. With EE open, select Style Define, and set up the fonts to match your document fonts. Keep in mind that these styles must be set to Symbol font: Symbol, LC Greek, & UC Greek. Similarly, select Size Define, and set the Full size to match your document's font size. Set the rest of the sizes in percent values. I recommend these values: 58%, 45%, 150%, and 100%, respectively, from top to bottom after full-size. Be sure to include the % symbol. Setting these values to percent values allows you to change your font size by changing only the Full size value. You can also program as many fractions as you want into Word's AutoCorrect feature. Obviously there is an infinite number of fractions, and you can't include them all in AC, but I'm sure there are many that you use most often. On our web site, we have a tutorial on doing this: http://www.dessci.com/en/support/tut...t/tutorial.htm. This tutorial specifically discusses MathType, the professional version of EE, but much of what the tutorial discusses can be done with EE. -- Bob Mathews Director of Training 830-990-9699 http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType 5 Design Science, Inc. -- "How Science Communicates" MathType, WebEQ, MathPlayer, MathFlow, Equation Editor, TeXaide |
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Well since we use every font available which also work in AutoCAD &
MicroStation and their supporting programs ... yes I can blame Microsoft for being so proprietary and for not making something as common as a FRACTION work properly particularly in their own programs!!! There are far more than the 3 fractions they support, if they could make 1/2 look like a normal fraction they could do the same for any two numbers divided by a / ... but that's too much to ask of Microsoft. Microsoft doesn't make their product work properly with other programs ... and that causes major issues with those programs that run in the engineering community. Its not short sightedness on our IT department ... its knowing how many MAJOR issues are caused everytime they migrate something to Microsoft -- for instance, We just switched from GroupWise to Outlook this past weekend .. the migration brought down about 100 people for over a half day because it changed every program we use!! Thanks a helluva lot of overhead that was caused by Microsoft! This is not a little mom & pop engineering firm by the way ... its one of the larger ones in the Country! The IT folks don't allow us to install downloads at will because too many of them -- particularly from Microsoft change things in other programs and shared resources ... you can't have 1700 people doing that on a daily basis -- we'd never get any work done fixing issues caused by Microsoft. I do find it humorous though ... how many times you and a couple of others have posted precisely the same post with precisely the same links -- almost seems like a form letter! Sherrie "Graham Mayor" wrote: You can hardly blame Microsoft for your choice of fonts. The limited number of formatted fractions is simply attributable to the character set of the fonts you are using and nothing whatsoever to do with the Word program. What is ridiculous is the short sightedness of the IT department that prevents you from using the tools at your disposal. This is to save them work at the cost of productivity. IT systems are supposed to aid the workforce, not inhibit them. It is time you urged management to rethink. You can format numbers to represent fractions, and macros will aid that, or you can build them manually. The various methods are described at: http://www.gmayor.com/createfraction.htm or http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Insert_For..._Fractions.htm or http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/Format...teFraction.htm Alternatively you may be able to find a specialised font that has the extra characters you require - but then I don't suppose that your bone idle IT department will allow you to use it -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org KCSherrie wrote: I agree wholeheartedly with KGlennC's point. I too work in engineering, and I also work part time for a furniture store. When I am placing dimensions of furniture on the tags being displayed with very expensive furniture, it looks VERY tacky to have some looking like normal fractions and others full sized numbers ... as for dates, if you are using 3/21/05 ... you shouldn't get a fraction with that because there is more than one slash and also ... the fraction doesn't turn to a fraction until you hit space or enter ... so that shouldn't be a problem. There should be a far easier way to accomplish fractions ... for instance ... I cannot use any of the macros that are suggested numerous times in the answers to the question on "How to format Fractions" because my company will not allow us to download or install anything like this to our computers! Its pretty disgusting that the only thing that Microsoft thinks is important is someone's recipe collection. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I have the existing one turned off already because I still use slashes in dates. When I was membership chairman for the Friends of the Library, our annual membership mailing went out in late December, so we received a lot of dues in early January. I didn't want 1/2 and 1/4 converted to fractions! -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jay Freedman" wrote in message ... I do see KGlennC's point... Being able to write all fractions in a consistent format with minimal manual work would probably benefit a lot more users than something like easy-to-use drop caps. The improvement over Greg's macro that MS could add is to recognize a fraction automatically in text and trigger AutoFormat, instead of having to enter the fraction in a special box. In fact, if it were available I'd consider that to be one of the few AutoFormat As You Type options that I wouldn't turn off. ;-) -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:41:42 -0600, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I don't think you can blame Microsoft for the Unicode standard. Word makes available as made-up fractions those that are available in common fonts. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "KGlennC" wrote in message ... Neither option is that realistic. But, I did find a solution elsewhere in this Discussion Group that APPEARS to work and is very easy to use once you've developed the Macro and added it to the Toolbar. See http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Insert_For..._Fractions.htm If I can do it (after finding where someone else did it), then Microsoft could add the same capability/function to its products very, very easily, thereby ensuring document compatability for all users. Not sure why Microsoft forces a user to jump through hoops using EE or adding a zillion AutoCorrect entries. Apparently, Microsoft doesn't think engineering-related enties are that important, only cooks and their recipes. /rant "Bob Mathews" wrote: On 25-Feb-2005, wrote: I own an engineering related company and our documents look unprofessional in that if not all fractions can be displayed in the basic fraction format, then I use the "full- size" format (e.g., 3/16). One of Microsoft's suggestions discusses recipes; another recommends using Equation Editor (very, very time consuming, cumersome and does not return characters consistent with document font). Glenn, Equation Editor (EE) returns characters in whatever font you set it up for. With EE active, the menus on Word's menu bar aren't Word menus any more; they're EE menus. With EE open, select Style Define, and set up the fonts to match your document fonts. Keep in mind that these styles must be set to Symbol font: Symbol, LC Greek, & UC Greek. Similarly, select Size Define, and set the Full size to match your document's font size. Set the rest of the sizes in percent values. I recommend these values: 58%, 45%, 150%, and 100%, respectively, from top to bottom after full-size. Be sure to include the % symbol. Setting these values to percent values allows you to change your font size by changing only the Full size value. You can also program as many fractions as you want into Word's AutoCorrect feature. Obviously there is an infinite number of fractions, and you can't include them all in AC, but I'm sure there are many that you use most often. On our web site, we have a tutorial on doing this: http://www.dessci.com/en/support/tut...t/tutorial.htm. This tutorial specifically discusses MathType, the professional version of EE, but much of what the tutorial discusses can be done with EE. -- Bob Mathews Director of Training 830-990-9699 http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType 5 Design Science, Inc. -- "How Science Communicates" MathType, WebEQ, MathPlayer, MathFlow, Equation Editor, TeXaide |
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This is not a portal through which your whinges will be addressed to
Microsoft. It is a public newsgroup where the contributors are other Word users. Microsoft is not listening here. Yes the links posted are the same, as these are the ones that address the issue. If you don't like the advice that is freely offered, you don't need to take it. If you have fonts that you can use in other applications that provide the formatted characters you require, they can be used equally in Word. Word will use any font the current printer is capable of printing. Word uses autocorrect entries to swap 1/2 etc for their font character equivalents. Feel free to add any others you have available. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org KCSherrie wrote: Well since we use every font available which also work in AutoCAD & MicroStation and their supporting programs ... yes I can blame Microsoft for being so proprietary and for not making something as common as a FRACTION work properly particularly in their own programs!!! There are far more than the 3 fractions they support, if they could make 1/2 look like a normal fraction they could do the same for any two numbers divided by a / ... but that's too much to ask of Microsoft. Microsoft doesn't make their product work properly with other programs ... and that causes major issues with those programs that run in the engineering community. Its not short sightedness on our IT department ... its knowing how many MAJOR issues are caused everytime they migrate something to Microsoft -- for instance, We just switched from GroupWise to Outlook this past weekend .. the migration brought down about 100 people for over a half day because it changed every program we use!! Thanks a helluva lot of overhead that was caused by Microsoft! This is not a little mom & pop engineering firm by the way ... its one of the larger ones in the Country! The IT folks don't allow us to install downloads at will because too many of them -- particularly from Microsoft change things in other programs and shared resources ... you can't have 1700 people doing that on a daily basis -- we'd never get any work done fixing issues caused by Microsoft. I do find it humorous though ... how many times you and a couple of others have posted precisely the same post with precisely the same links -- almost seems like a form letter! Sherrie "Graham Mayor" wrote: You can hardly blame Microsoft for your choice of fonts. The limited number of formatted fractions is simply attributable to the character set of the fonts you are using and nothing whatsoever to do with the Word program. What is ridiculous is the short sightedness of the IT department that prevents you from using the tools at your disposal. This is to save them work at the cost of productivity. IT systems are supposed to aid the workforce, not inhibit them. It is time you urged management to rethink. You can format numbers to represent fractions, and macros will aid that, or you can build them manually. The various methods are described at: http://www.gmayor.com/createfraction.htm or http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Insert_For..._Fractions.htm or http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/Format...teFraction.htm Alternatively you may be able to find a specialised font that has the extra characters you require - but then I don't suppose that your bone idle IT department will allow you to use it -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org KCSherrie wrote: I agree wholeheartedly with KGlennC's point. I too work in engineering, and I also work part time for a furniture store. When I am placing dimensions of furniture on the tags being displayed with very expensive furniture, it looks VERY tacky to have some looking like normal fractions and others full sized numbers ... as for dates, if you are using 3/21/05 ... you shouldn't get a fraction with that because there is more than one slash and also ... the fraction doesn't turn to a fraction until you hit space or enter ... so that shouldn't be a problem. There should be a far easier way to accomplish fractions ... for instance ... I cannot use any of the macros that are suggested numerous times in the answers to the question on "How to format Fractions" because my company will not allow us to download or install anything like this to our computers! Its pretty disgusting that the only thing that Microsoft thinks is important is someone's recipe collection. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I have the existing one turned off already because I still use slashes in dates. When I was membership chairman for the Friends of the Library, our annual membership mailing went out in late December, so we received a lot of dues in early January. I didn't want 1/2 and 1/4 converted to fractions! -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jay Freedman" wrote in message ... I do see KGlennC's point... Being able to write all fractions in a consistent format with minimal manual work would probably benefit a lot more users than something like easy-to-use drop caps. The improvement over Greg's macro that MS could add is to recognize a fraction automatically in text and trigger AutoFormat, instead of having to enter the fraction in a special box. In fact, if it were available I'd consider that to be one of the few AutoFormat As You Type options that I wouldn't turn off. ;-) -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:41:42 -0600, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I don't think you can blame Microsoft for the Unicode standard. Word makes available as made-up fractions those that are available in common fonts. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "KGlennC" wrote in message ... Neither option is that realistic. But, I did find a solution elsewhere in this Discussion Group that APPEARS to work and is very easy to use once you've developed the Macro and added it to the Toolbar. See http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Insert_For..._Fractions.htm If I can do it (after finding where someone else did it), then Microsoft could add the same capability/function to its products very, very easily, thereby ensuring document compatability for all users. Not sure why Microsoft forces a user to jump through hoops using EE or adding a zillion AutoCorrect entries. Apparently, Microsoft doesn't think engineering-related enties are that important, only cooks and their recipes. /rant "Bob Mathews" wrote: On 25-Feb-2005, wrote: I own an engineering related company and our documents look unprofessional in that if not all fractions can be displayed in the basic fraction format, then I use the "full- size" format (e.g., 3/16). One of Microsoft's suggestions discusses recipes; another recommends using Equation Editor (very, very time consuming, cumersome and does not return characters consistent with document font). Glenn, Equation Editor (EE) returns characters in whatever font you set it up for. With EE active, the menus on Word's menu bar aren't Word menus any more; they're EE menus. With EE open, select Style Define, and set up the fonts to match your document fonts. Keep in mind that these styles must be set to Symbol font: Symbol, LC Greek, & UC Greek. Similarly, select Size Define, and set the Full size to match your document's font size. Set the rest of the sizes in percent values. I recommend these values: 58%, 45%, 150%, and 100%, respectively, from top to bottom after full-size. Be sure to include the % symbol. Setting these values to percent values allows you to change your font size by changing only the Full size value. You can also program as many fractions as you want into Word's AutoCorrect feature. Obviously there is an infinite number of fractions, and you can't include them all in AC, but I'm sure there are many that you use most often. On our web site, we have a tutorial on doing this: http://www.dessci.com/en/support/tut...t/tutorial.htm. This tutorial specifically discusses MathType, the professional version of EE, but much of what the tutorial discusses can be done with EE. -- Bob Mathews Director of Training 830-990-9699 http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType 5 Design Science, Inc. -- "How Science Communicates" MathType, WebEQ, MathPlayer, MathFlow, Equation Editor, TeXaide |
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I realize that this is not a site monitored by Microsoft. I simply
responded based upon your insulting comments concerning an IT department which has to deal with all the issues Microsoft causes, and also the fact that you were defending Microsoft as though you were a paid spokesman. I do also realize that at my primary job, where operating AutoCAD & MicroStation are my primary functions, that I can copy & paste or utilize the same TT fonts, etc within Word or Excel ... however ... I cannot take anything from here to another place I work part-time where as I explained in my first message, it is a high end furniture store and in the process of printing tags for furniture last evening I was totally and completely over the fact that Word does not recongize anything but what THEY consider to be "common fractions". It irritates the daylights out of me that I cannot either character map something ... or type in an ascii or other code to get something like 5/16. Microsoft most definitely can do it ... they just won't. Sherrie "Graham Mayor" wrote: This is not a portal through which your whinges will be addressed to Microsoft. It is a public newsgroup where the contributors are other Word users. Microsoft is not listening here. Yes the links posted are the same, as these are the ones that address the issue. If you don't like the advice that is freely offered, you don't need to take it. If you have fonts that you can use in other applications that provide the formatted characters you require, they can be used equally in Word. Word will use any font the current printer is capable of printing. Word uses autocorrect entries to swap 1/2 etc for their font character equivalents. Feel free to add any others you have available. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org KCSherrie wrote: Well since we use every font available which also work in AutoCAD & MicroStation and their supporting programs ... yes I can blame Microsoft for being so proprietary and for not making something as common as a FRACTION work properly particularly in their own programs!!! There are far more than the 3 fractions they support, if they could make 1/2 look like a normal fraction they could do the same for any two numbers divided by a / ... but that's too much to ask of Microsoft. Microsoft doesn't make their product work properly with other programs ... and that causes major issues with those programs that run in the engineering community. Its not short sightedness on our IT department ... its knowing how many MAJOR issues are caused everytime they migrate something to Microsoft -- for instance, We just switched from GroupWise to Outlook this past weekend .. the migration brought down about 100 people for over a half day because it changed every program we use!! Thanks a helluva lot of overhead that was caused by Microsoft! This is not a little mom & pop engineering firm by the way ... its one of the larger ones in the Country! The IT folks don't allow us to install downloads at will because too many of them -- particularly from Microsoft change things in other programs and shared resources ... you can't have 1700 people doing that on a daily basis -- we'd never get any work done fixing issues caused by Microsoft. I do find it humorous though ... how many times you and a couple of others have posted precisely the same post with precisely the same links -- almost seems like a form letter! Sherrie "Graham Mayor" wrote: You can hardly blame Microsoft for your choice of fonts. The limited number of formatted fractions is simply attributable to the character set of the fonts you are using and nothing whatsoever to do with the Word program. What is ridiculous is the short sightedness of the IT department that prevents you from using the tools at your disposal. This is to save them work at the cost of productivity. IT systems are supposed to aid the workforce, not inhibit them. It is time you urged management to rethink. You can format numbers to represent fractions, and macros will aid that, or you can build them manually. The various methods are described at: http://www.gmayor.com/createfraction.htm or http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Insert_For..._Fractions.htm or http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/Format...teFraction.htm Alternatively you may be able to find a specialised font that has the extra characters you require - but then I don't suppose that your bone idle IT department will allow you to use it -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org KCSherrie wrote: I agree wholeheartedly with KGlennC's point. I too work in engineering, and I also work part time for a furniture store. When I am placing dimensions of furniture on the tags being displayed with very expensive furniture, it looks VERY tacky to have some looking like normal fractions and others full sized numbers ... as for dates, if you are using 3/21/05 ... you shouldn't get a fraction with that because there is more than one slash and also ... the fraction doesn't turn to a fraction until you hit space or enter ... so that shouldn't be a problem. There should be a far easier way to accomplish fractions ... for instance ... I cannot use any of the macros that are suggested numerous times in the answers to the question on "How to format Fractions" because my company will not allow us to download or install anything like this to our computers! Its pretty disgusting that the only thing that Microsoft thinks is important is someone's recipe collection. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I have the existing one turned off already because I still use slashes in dates. When I was membership chairman for the Friends of the Library, our annual membership mailing went out in late December, so we received a lot of dues in early January. I didn't want 1/2 and 1/4 converted to fractions! -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jay Freedman" wrote in message ... I do see KGlennC's point... Being able to write all fractions in a consistent format with minimal manual work would probably benefit a lot more users than something like easy-to-use drop caps. The improvement over Greg's macro that MS could add is to recognize a fraction automatically in text and trigger AutoFormat, instead of having to enter the fraction in a special box. In fact, if it were available I'd consider that to be one of the few AutoFormat As You Type options that I wouldn't turn off. ;-) -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:41:42 -0600, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I don't think you can blame Microsoft for the Unicode standard. Word makes available as made-up fractions those that are available in common fonts. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "KGlennC" wrote in message ... Neither option is that realistic. But, I did find a solution elsewhere in this Discussion Group that APPEARS to work and is very easy to use once you've developed the Macro and added it to the Toolbar. See http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Insert_For..._Fractions.htm If I can do it (after finding where someone else did it), then Microsoft could add the same capability/function to its products very, very easily, thereby ensuring document compatability for all users. Not sure why Microsoft forces a user to jump through hoops using EE or adding a zillion AutoCorrect entries. Apparently, Microsoft doesn't think engineering-related enties are that important, only cooks and their recipes. /rant "Bob Mathews" wrote: On 25-Feb-2005, wrote: I own an engineering related company and our documents look unprofessional in that if not all fractions can be displayed in the basic fraction format, then I use the "full- size" format (e.g., 3/16). One of Microsoft's suggestions discusses recipes; another recommends using Equation Editor (very, very time consuming, cumersome and does not return characters consistent with document font). Glenn, Equation Editor (EE) returns characters in whatever font you set it up for. With EE active, the menus on Word's menu bar aren't Word menus any more; they're EE menus. With EE open, select Style Define, and set up the fonts to match your document fonts. Keep in mind that these styles must be set to Symbol font: Symbol, LC Greek, & UC Greek. Similarly, select Size Define, and set the Full size to match your document's font size. Set the rest of the sizes in percent values. I recommend these values: 58%, 45%, 150%, and 100%, respectively, from top to bottom after full-size. Be sure to include the % symbol. Setting these values to percent values allows you to change your font size by changing only the Full size value. You can also program as many fractions as you want into Word's AutoCorrect feature. Obviously there is an infinite number of fractions, and you can't include them all in AC, but I'm sure there are many that you use most often. On our web site, we have a tutorial on doing this: http://www.dessci.com/en/support/tut...t/tutorial.htm. This tutorial specifically discusses MathType, the professional version of EE, but much of what the tutorial discusses can be done with EE. -- Bob Mathews Director of Training 830-990-9699 http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType 5 Design Science, Inc. -- "How Science Communicates" MathType, WebEQ, MathPlayer, MathFlow, Equation Editor, TeXaide |
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As Graham has said, you can easily create AutoCorrect entries for the
"common fractions" that are included in Unicode fonts, which add thirds and eighths to the ones already produced by AutoFormat As You Type. Beyond that, specific formatting is required. Even if you use something as simple as superscripting the numerator and subscripting the denominator and inserting a fraction slash between, a certain amount of work is required. This is what Graham's macro does. But I can assure you that not everyone wants to do this. I type textbooks in which a slash is often used in place of a division sign, and a formatted fraction is *not* what is wanted. And, believe it or not, there are instances when people type dates with only one slash (in the example I gave, all the date entries were in the same year, so it was not necessary to add the year). You would be amazed at the long list of things that certain people think that Microsoft can and should do. If you can make an economic case for it, it will be done. But you have to show that (a) a significant number of Word users need the given feature and that (b) the feature would add enough value to Word that it would be an incentive for users to upgrade to a new version. Aside from bug fixes, which are prioritized in a different way, programming time is allocated on the basis of the number of users affected and the economic value of the feature. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "KCSherrie" wrote in message ... I realize that this is not a site monitored by Microsoft. I simply responded based upon your insulting comments concerning an IT department which has to deal with all the issues Microsoft causes, and also the fact that you were defending Microsoft as though you were a paid spokesman. I do also realize that at my primary job, where operating AutoCAD & MicroStation are my primary functions, that I can copy & paste or utilize the same TT fonts, etc within Word or Excel ... however ... I cannot take anything from here to another place I work part-time where as I explained in my first message, it is a high end furniture store and in the process of printing tags for furniture last evening I was totally and completely over the fact that Word does not recongize anything but what THEY consider to be "common fractions". It irritates the daylights out of me that I cannot either character map something ... or type in an ascii or other code to get something like 5/16. Microsoft most definitely can do it ... they just won't. Sherrie "Graham Mayor" wrote: This is not a portal through which your whinges will be addressed to Microsoft. It is a public newsgroup where the contributors are other Word users. Microsoft is not listening here. Yes the links posted are the same, as these are the ones that address the issue. If you don't like the advice that is freely offered, you don't need to take it. If you have fonts that you can use in other applications that provide the formatted characters you require, they can be used equally in Word. Word will use any font the current printer is capable of printing. Word uses autocorrect entries to swap 1/2 etc for their font character equivalents. Feel free to add any others you have available. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org KCSherrie wrote: Well since we use every font available which also work in AutoCAD & MicroStation and their supporting programs ... yes I can blame Microsoft for being so proprietary and for not making something as common as a FRACTION work properly particularly in their own programs!!! There are far more than the 3 fractions they support, if they could make 1/2 look like a normal fraction they could do the same for any two numbers divided by a / ... but that's too much to ask of Microsoft. Microsoft doesn't make their product work properly with other programs ... and that causes major issues with those programs that run in the engineering community. Its not short sightedness on our IT department ... its knowing how many MAJOR issues are caused everytime they migrate something to Microsoft -- for instance, We just switched from GroupWise to Outlook this past weekend .. the migration brought down about 100 people for over a half day because it changed every program we use!! Thanks a helluva lot of overhead that was caused by Microsoft! This is not a little mom & pop engineering firm by the way ... its one of the larger ones in the Country! The IT folks don't allow us to install downloads at will because too many of them -- particularly from Microsoft change things in other programs and shared resources ... you can't have 1700 people doing that on a daily basis -- we'd never get any work done fixing issues caused by Microsoft. I do find it humorous though ... how many times you and a couple of others have posted precisely the same post with precisely the same links -- almost seems like a form letter! Sherrie "Graham Mayor" wrote: You can hardly blame Microsoft for your choice of fonts. The limited number of formatted fractions is simply attributable to the character set of the fonts you are using and nothing whatsoever to do with the Word program. What is ridiculous is the short sightedness of the IT department that prevents you from using the tools at your disposal. This is to save them work at the cost of productivity. IT systems are supposed to aid the workforce, not inhibit them. It is time you urged management to rethink. You can format numbers to represent fractions, and macros will aid that, or you can build them manually. The various methods are described at: http://www.gmayor.com/createfraction.htm or http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Insert_For..._Fractions.htm or http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/Format...teFraction.htm Alternatively you may be able to find a specialised font that has the extra characters you require - but then I don't suppose that your bone idle IT department will allow you to use it -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org KCSherrie wrote: I agree wholeheartedly with KGlennC's point. I too work in engineering, and I also work part time for a furniture store. When I am placing dimensions of furniture on the tags being displayed with very expensive furniture, it looks VERY tacky to have some looking like normal fractions and others full sized numbers ... as for dates, if you are using 3/21/05 ... you shouldn't get a fraction with that because there is more than one slash and also ... the fraction doesn't turn to a fraction until you hit space or enter ... so that shouldn't be a problem. There should be a far easier way to accomplish fractions ... for instance ... I cannot use any of the macros that are suggested numerous times in the answers to the question on "How to format Fractions" because my company will not allow us to download or install anything like this to our computers! Its pretty disgusting that the only thing that Microsoft thinks is important is someone's recipe collection. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I have the existing one turned off already because I still use slashes in dates. When I was membership chairman for the Friends of the Library, our annual membership mailing went out in late December, so we received a lot of dues in early January. I didn't want 1/2 and 1/4 converted to fractions! -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jay Freedman" wrote in message ... I do see KGlennC's point... Being able to write all fractions in a consistent format with minimal manual work would probably benefit a lot more users than something like easy-to-use drop caps. The improvement over Greg's macro that MS could add is to recognize a fraction automatically in text and trigger AutoFormat, instead of having to enter the fraction in a special box. In fact, if it were available I'd consider that to be one of the few AutoFormat As You Type options that I wouldn't turn off. ;-) -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:41:42 -0600, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I don't think you can blame Microsoft for the Unicode standard. Word makes available as made-up fractions those that are available in common fonts. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "KGlennC" wrote in message ... Neither option is that realistic. But, I did find a solution elsewhere in this Discussion Group that APPEARS to work and is very easy to use once you've developed the Macro and added it to the Toolbar. See http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Insert_For..._Fractions.htm If I can do it (after finding where someone else did it), then Microsoft could add the same capability/function to its products very, very easily, thereby ensuring document compatability for all users. Not sure why Microsoft forces a user to jump through hoops using EE or adding a zillion AutoCorrect entries. Apparently, Microsoft doesn't think engineering-related enties are that important, only cooks and their recipes. /rant "Bob Mathews" wrote: On 25-Feb-2005, wrote: I own an engineering related company and our documents look unprofessional in that if not all fractions can be displayed in the basic fraction format, then I use the "full- size" format (e.g., 3/16). One of Microsoft's suggestions discusses recipes; another recommends using Equation Editor (very, very time consuming, cumersome and does not return characters consistent with document font). Glenn, Equation Editor (EE) returns characters in whatever font you set it up for. With EE active, the menus on Word's menu bar aren't Word menus any more; they're EE menus. With EE open, select Style Define, and set up the fonts to match your document fonts. Keep in mind that these styles must be set to Symbol font: Symbol, LC Greek, & UC Greek. Similarly, select Size Define, and set the Full size to match your document's font size. Set the rest of the sizes in percent values. I recommend these values: 58%, 45%, 150%, and 100%, respectively, from top to bottom after full-size. Be sure to include the % symbol. Setting these values to percent values allows you to change your font size by changing only the Full size value. You can also program as many fractions as you want into Word's AutoCorrect feature. Obviously there is an infinite number of fractions, and you can't include them all in AC, but I'm sure there are many that you use most often. On our web site, we have a tutorial on doing this: http://www.dessci.com/en/support/tut...t/tutorial.htm. This tutorial specifically discusses MathType, the professional version of EE, but much of what the tutorial discusses can be done with EE. -- Bob Mathews Director of Training 830-990-9699 http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType 5 Design Science, Inc. -- "How Science Communicates" MathType, WebEQ, MathPlayer, MathFlow, Equation Editor, TeXaide |
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Microsoft has provided the tools to do what you want, and I have explained
how to use them, and still you complain. The fact that your IT department does not allow you to use the tools that Microsoft provides for the purpose can hardly be a criticism of Microsoft, so whether you find it insulting or not, it is the IT department that is screwing up your work here and not Microsoft. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org KCSherrie wrote: I realize that this is not a site monitored by Microsoft. I simply responded based upon your insulting comments concerning an IT department which has to deal with all the issues Microsoft causes, and also the fact that you were defending Microsoft as though you were a paid spokesman. I do also realize that at my primary job, where operating AutoCAD & MicroStation are my primary functions, that I can copy & paste or utilize the same TT fonts, etc within Word or Excel ... however ... I cannot take anything from here to another place I work part-time where as I explained in my first message, it is a high end furniture store and in the process of printing tags for furniture last evening I was totally and completely over the fact that Word does not recongize anything but what THEY consider to be "common fractions". It irritates the daylights out of me that I cannot either character map something ... or type in an ascii or other code to get something like 5/16. Microsoft most definitely can do it ... they just won't. Sherrie "Graham Mayor" wrote: This is not a portal through which your whinges will be addressed to Microsoft. It is a public newsgroup where the contributors are other Word users. Microsoft is not listening here. Yes the links posted are the same, as these are the ones that address the issue. If you don't like the advice that is freely offered, you don't need to take it. If you have fonts that you can use in other applications that provide the formatted characters you require, they can be used equally in Word. Word will use any font the current printer is capable of printing. Word uses autocorrect entries to swap 1/2 etc for their font character equivalents. Feel free to add any others you have available. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org KCSherrie wrote: Well since we use every font available which also work in AutoCAD & MicroStation and their supporting programs ... yes I can blame Microsoft for being so proprietary and for not making something as common as a FRACTION work properly particularly in their own programs!!! There are far more than the 3 fractions they support, if they could make 1/2 look like a normal fraction they could do the same for any two numbers divided by a / ... but that's too much to ask of Microsoft. Microsoft doesn't make their product work properly with other programs ... and that causes major issues with those programs that run in the engineering community. Its not short sightedness on our IT department ... its knowing how many MAJOR issues are caused everytime they migrate something to Microsoft -- for instance, We just switched from GroupWise to Outlook this past weekend .. the migration brought down about 100 people for over a half day because it changed every program we use!! Thanks a helluva lot of overhead that was caused by Microsoft! This is not a little mom & pop engineering firm by the way ... its one of the larger ones in the Country! The IT folks don't allow us to install downloads at will because too many of them -- particularly from Microsoft change things in other programs and shared resources ... you can't have 1700 people doing that on a daily basis -- we'd never get any work done fixing issues caused by Microsoft. I do find it humorous though ... how many times you and a couple of others have posted precisely the same post with precisely the same links -- almost seems like a form letter! Sherrie "Graham Mayor" wrote: You can hardly blame Microsoft for your choice of fonts. The limited number of formatted fractions is simply attributable to the character set of the fonts you are using and nothing whatsoever to do with the Word program. What is ridiculous is the short sightedness of the IT department that prevents you from using the tools at your disposal. This is to save them work at the cost of productivity. IT systems are supposed to aid the workforce, not inhibit them. It is time you urged management to rethink. You can format numbers to represent fractions, and macros will aid that, or you can build them manually. The various methods are described at: http://www.gmayor.com/createfraction.htm or http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Insert_For..._Fractions.htm or http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/Format...teFraction.htm Alternatively you may be able to find a specialised font that has the extra characters you require - but then I don't suppose that your bone idle IT department will allow you to use it -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org KCSherrie wrote: I agree wholeheartedly with KGlennC's point. I too work in engineering, and I also work part time for a furniture store. When I am placing dimensions of furniture on the tags being displayed with very expensive furniture, it looks VERY tacky to have some looking like normal fractions and others full sized numbers ... as for dates, if you are using 3/21/05 ... you shouldn't get a fraction with that because there is more than one slash and also ... the fraction doesn't turn to a fraction until you hit space or enter ... so that shouldn't be a problem. There should be a far easier way to accomplish fractions ... for instance ... I cannot use any of the macros that are suggested numerous times in the answers to the question on "How to format Fractions" because my company will not allow us to download or install anything like this to our computers! Its pretty disgusting that the only thing that Microsoft thinks is important is someone's recipe collection. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I have the existing one turned off already because I still use slashes in dates. When I was membership chairman for the Friends of the Library, our annual membership mailing went out in late December, so we received a lot of dues in early January. I didn't want 1/2 and 1/4 converted to fractions! -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Jay Freedman" wrote in message ... I do see KGlennC's point... Being able to write all fractions in a consistent format with minimal manual work would probably benefit a lot more users than something like easy-to-use drop caps. The improvement over Greg's macro that MS could add is to recognize a fraction automatically in text and trigger AutoFormat, instead of having to enter the fraction in a special box. In fact, if it were available I'd consider that to be one of the few AutoFormat As You Type options that I wouldn't turn off. ;-) -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:41:42 -0600, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I don't think you can blame Microsoft for the Unicode standard. Word makes available as made-up fractions those that are available in common fonts. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "KGlennC" wrote in message ... Neither option is that realistic. But, I did find a solution elsewhere in this Discussion Group that APPEARS to work and is very easy to use once you've developed the Macro and added it to the Toolbar. See http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Insert_For..._Fractions.htm If I can do it (after finding where someone else did it), then Microsoft could add the same capability/function to its products very, very easily, thereby ensuring document compatability for all users. Not sure why Microsoft forces a user to jump through hoops using EE or adding a zillion AutoCorrect entries. Apparently, Microsoft doesn't think engineering-related enties are that important, only cooks and their recipes. /rant "Bob Mathews" wrote: On 25-Feb-2005, wrote: I own an engineering related company and our documents look unprofessional in that if not all fractions can be displayed in the basic fraction format, then I use the "full- size" format (e.g., 3/16). One of Microsoft's suggestions discusses recipes; another recommends using Equation Editor (very, very time consuming, cumersome and does not return characters consistent with document font). Glenn, Equation Editor (EE) returns characters in whatever font you set it up for. With EE active, the menus on Word's menu bar aren't Word menus any more; they're EE menus. With EE open, select Style Define, and set up the fonts to match your document fonts. Keep in mind that these styles must be set to Symbol font: Symbol, LC Greek, & UC Greek. Similarly, select Size Define, and set the Full size to match your document's font size. Set the rest of the sizes in percent values. I recommend these values: 58%, 45%, 150%, and 100%, respectively, from top to bottom after full-size. Be sure to include the % symbol. Setting these values to percent values allows you to change your font size by changing only the Full size value. You can also program as many fractions as you want into Word's AutoCorrect feature. Obviously there is an infinite number of fractions, and you can't include them all in AC, but I'm sure there are many that you use most often. On our web site, we have a tutorial on doing this: http://www.dessci.com/en/support/tut...t/tutorial.htm. This tutorial specifically discusses MathType, the professional version of EE, but much of what the tutorial discusses can be done with EE. -- Bob Mathews Director of Training 830-990-9699 http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType 5 Design Science, Inc. -- "How Science Communicates" MathType, WebEQ, MathPlayer, MathFlow, Equation Editor, TeXaide |
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