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Why dont MS just f**king re-write Word from scratch? Its dogsh*t
Im a software developer and the hardest part of my job is using MS Word to
write all my documentation. Im CONSTANTLY battling with indentations, numbering and tables that have a mind of their own and are so counter-intuitive it makes me want to eat my computer. I have handed in documents to my projects managers in the past which they returned to me complaining about the formatting. I have simply replied to them that I refuse to waste my time using such a badly written bit of software and they can do the bloody indentations themselves. Youd think after a million versions MS would have fixed it. Oh no. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ocmanagemen t |
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Answer: Why dont MS just f**king re-write Word from scratch? Its dogsh*t
I understand your frustration with Microsoft Word and the difficulties you have faced with formatting. While it may seem like a simple solution to just rewrite the entire program, it is not as easy as it sounds. Microsoft Word has been around for many years and has a lot of complex features and functions that have been added over time. Rewriting the program from scratch would be a massive undertaking and could potentially cause even more issues.
That being said, there are ways to make formatting in Word easier and more intuitive. Here are some tips that may help:
I hope these tips are helpful for you. While Word may not be perfect, there are ways to make it work for you. If you have any specific formatting questions or issues, feel free to ask and I will do my best to help.
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If you would turn off all the auto stuff (see
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TameAutoFormat.htm) and take a little time to learn how to use Word (you could learn enough to do indents just by reading http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/conc...ion/index.html), perhaps you wouldn't be so bitter. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Word Hater" Word wrote in message ... Im a software developer and the hardest part of my job is using MS Word to write all my documentation. Im CONSTANTLY battling with indentations, numbering and tables that have a mind of their own and are so counter-intuitive it makes me want to eat my computer. I have handed in documents to my projects managers in the past which they returned to me complaining about the formatting. I have simply replied to them that I refuse to waste my time using such a badly written bit of software and they can do the bloody indentations themselves. Youd think after a million versions MS would have fixed it. Oh no. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ocmanagemen t |
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Hi Patrick,
I feel your suggestions are poor. Why should I buy a book just to do something that Word should simply be able to do? When I copy and paste a heading and body text it should increase the numbering on the new pasted heading as that is what I've set my numbering to do. It doesnt. It resets it back to '4.1' when it should be '4.3'. If I right click and select 'Continue Numbering' do you know what it does? Thats right. Bugger all. Conversley, a set of numbered points I've copied and pasted has continued the numbering. I right click and select restart numbering and although it restarts the numbering, it decides to indent it all by a tab. I asked to restart the numbering not indent it as well. In my eyes these are bugs and no book or increased knowledge on my behalf will fix that. I have screen shot evidence of both these events happening that I can show you if you so desire. I cant dictate what software to install on my office computer so im stuck with Word. Any other suggestions? "Patrick Schmid" wrote: Buy a good book and learn how to use Word. Or use OpenOffice if you don't want to use Word and fight with the indentations there. It's not going to be any easier. Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net "Word Hater" Word wrote in message : Im a software developer and the hardest part of my job is using MS Word to write all my documentation. Im CONSTANTLY battling with indentations, numbering and tables that have a mind of their own and are so counter-intuitive it makes me want to eat my computer. I have handed in documents to my projects managers in the past which they returned to me complaining about the formatting. I have simply replied to them that I refuse to waste my time using such a badly written bit of software and they can do the bloody indentations themselves. Youd think after a million versions MS would have fixed it. Oh no. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ocmanagemen t |
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Word IS "simply able to do this". If you're not prepared to learn to use the
tool, you get the obvious consequences. It's no surprise that your supervisor thought your code was a lot of sh*t. On the evidence you've provided so far, that could easily be true of everything you do. "Word Hater" wrote in message ... Hi Patrick, I feel your suggestions are poor. Why should I buy a book just to do something that Word should simply be able to do? When I copy and paste a heading and body text it should increase the numbering on the new pasted heading as that is what I've set my numbering to do. It doesnt. It resets it back to '4.1' when it should be '4.3'. If I right click and select 'Continue Numbering' do you know what it does? Thats right. Bugger all. Conversley, a set of numbered points I've copied and pasted has continued the numbering. I right click and select restart numbering and although it restarts the numbering, it decides to indent it all by a tab. I asked to restart the numbering not indent it as well. In my eyes these are bugs and no book or increased knowledge on my behalf will fix that. I have screen shot evidence of both these events happening that I can show you if you so desire. I cant dictate what software to install on my office computer so im stuck with Word. Any other suggestions? "Patrick Schmid" wrote: Buy a good book and learn how to use Word. Or use OpenOffice if you don't want to use Word and fight with the indentations there. It's not going to be any easier. Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net "Word Hater" Word wrote in message : Im a software developer and the hardest part of my job is using MS Word to write all my documentation. Im CONSTANTLY battling with indentations, numbering and tables that have a mind of their own and are so counter-intuitive it makes me want to eat my computer. I have handed in documents to my projects managers in the past which they returned to me complaining about the formatting. I have simply replied to them that I refuse to waste my time using such a badly written bit of software and they can do the bloody indentations themselves. Youd think after a million versions MS would have fixed it. Oh no. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ocmanagemen t |
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Why dont MS just f**king re-write Word from scratch? Its dogsh
I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I invested time
to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it is doing what it is doing. The point is that this is a product that is used by millions of users and it should be designed to be easy to use and intuitive. The two cases I explained are highly UN-intuitive. i.e. click a menu option that indicates it will do what you think it will when in actual fact it does nothing or something completely different without telling you why or what for. Its these problems that I find so confounding and frustrating. Im not alone. I know dozens of people who hate this product for these very reasons. Its completely, apparent, random behaviour actually slows my work down. The best one just happened to me. I was looking at my doc, I switched applications in windows, switched back, and lo, all my headings were now "A,B,C,D,E" instead of "1.1,1.2,1.3" etc and all my numberings were "0,0,0,0" instead of "1,2,3,4". I hadnt actually done ANYTHING, but I guess it wanted to change it all for me. I could be an expert on Word and indentation and all that but I still wouldnt know why the f**king hell THAT happened!!!! I'm sorry, but its a poor product and with all the money Microsoft they should be bloody ashamed of themselves. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you would turn off all the auto stuff (see http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TameAutoFormat.htm) and take a little time to learn how to use Word (you could learn enough to do indents just by reading http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/conc...ion/index.html), perhaps you wouldn't be so bitter. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Word Hater" Word wrote in message ... Im a software developer and the hardest part of my job is using MS Word to write all my documentation. Im CONSTANTLY battling with indentations, numbering and tables that have a mind of their own and are so counter-intuitive it makes me want to eat my computer. I have handed in documents to my projects managers in the past which they returned to me complaining about the formatting. I have simply replied to them that I refuse to waste my time using such a badly written bit of software and they can do the bloody indentations themselves. Youd think after a million versions MS would have fixed it. Oh no. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ocmanagemen t |
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Why dont MS just f**king re-write Word from scratch? Its dogsh
I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I invested time to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it is doing what it is doing. You said it. |
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And my other points.....do you have a response to them?
"Jezebel" wrote: I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I invested time to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it is doing what it is doing. You said it. |
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Why dont MS just f**king re-write Word from scratch? Its dogsh
Yes: invest time to learn a bit more about indentation you would understand
why it is doing what it is doing. "Word Hater" wrote in message ... And my other points.....do you have a response to them? "Jezebel" wrote: I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I invested time to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it is doing what it is doing. You said it. |
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Why dont MS just f**king re-write Word from scratch? Its dogsh
No, you've completed avoided my points and repeated what you said in the
first place. What about when it changed my heading numbering when I switched applications? What about it being very un-intuitive at times? These are the points Im trying to make. "Jezebel" wrote: Yes: invest time to learn a bit more about indentation you would understand why it is doing what it is doing. "Word Hater" wrote in message ... And my other points.....do you have a response to them? "Jezebel" wrote: I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I invested time to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it is doing what it is doing. You said it. |
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Why dont MS just f**king re-write Word from scratch? Its dogsh
Your points are too generic and obviously come from someone who hasn't
even tried to understand how Word works. Combined with the attitude you came in here, I don't think that many people here are going to be extremely willing to refute every single detailed point. Come back with a different name and an attitude that searches for help on how to do things instead of blasting Word, and you'll find a more receptive audience. "Word Hater" wrote in message : No, you've completed avoided my points and repeated what you said in the first place. What about when it changed my heading numbering when I switched applications? What about it being very un-intuitive at times? These are the points Im trying to make. "Jezebel" wrote: Yes: invest time to learn a bit more about indentation you would understand why it is doing what it is doing. "Word Hater" wrote in message ... And my other points.....do you have a response to them? "Jezebel" wrote: I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I invested time to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it is doing what it is doing. You said it. |
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Why dont MS just f**king re-write Word from scratch? Its dogsh
Im not gonna give up here. Yeah my attitude is a bit whiffy but lets get to
the point. Tell me why it changed all my headings from numbers to letters simply by switching applications. Im sorry, but give me all the books you want, that is a bug. No one has given me an answer for why that happened and I dont expect one. My point is, is that Microsoft is one of the biggest software producers in the world and its still releases software with bugs and little niggles that make you scratch your head or scream vulgar obsenities at it. In addition it also crashes a fair bit and corrupts the odd file now and again for no reason. As I have repeated, I could be an expert in Word but I would have no control over these problems. Look at Propellerhead software's Reason. Its a real-time, cpu intensive, hardware emulating sythesizer and music sequencer package. It can do all manner of ridiculous things all at once. Do you know how many times its crashed or acted in a way that confused me in the last 3 years Ive been using it? None. True, its not a word processor, but if a small Sweedish company can write software that can manage to do all these very techinical, cpu intesive things all at once without dropping a single note or crashing ever and Microsoft having trouble 'displaying a bit of text' what hope is there?!? MS Word IS buggy. It IS un-intuitive. No amount of reading up can change this. The fact that you suggest I should have to read a book to know how to do these, lets face it, very basic tasks, only highlights its un-intuitiveness. ha. "Patrick Schmid" wrote: Your points are too generic and obviously come from someone who hasn't even tried to understand how Word works. Combined with the attitude you came in here, I don't think that many people here are going to be extremely willing to refute every single detailed point. Come back with a different name and an attitude that searches for help on how to do things instead of blasting Word, and you'll find a more receptive audience. "Word Hater" wrote in message : No, you've completed avoided my points and repeated what you said in the first place. What about when it changed my heading numbering when I switched applications? What about it being very un-intuitive at times? These are the points Im trying to make. "Jezebel" wrote: Yes: invest time to learn a bit more about indentation you would understand why it is doing what it is doing. "Word Hater" wrote in message ... And my other points.....do you have a response to them? "Jezebel" wrote: I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I invested time to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it is doing what it is doing. You said it. |
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Why dont MS just f**king re-write Word from scratch? Its dogsh*t
Word can do what you want, but you do have to learn to use it. The numbering
feature is poor, but I hear it is improved in the newest version. Nevertheless, it can be made to work well. -- See: How to create numbered headings or outline numbering in your Word document http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...Numbering.html. (For bullets see http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/bull...olbullets.html, the subject is related.) This is based on ... Word's Numbering Explained http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Number...gExplained.htm Here is some general info on moving from Word Perfect to Word: Word and Word Perfect work very differently from one another (and from other Word Processing programs). Each program's methods have strengths and weaknesses; but, if you try to use one of these programs as if it were the other, it is like pushing on a string! You can easily make a lot of extra work for yourself. In the (short) long term (weeks rather than years) spending the time to learn Word will save you time if you are spending any time at all (more than an hour a day) using Word. See http://www.addbalance.com/word/wordperfect.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...ordPerfect.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...AndGotchas.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...Converters.htm http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/conc...ion/index.html for information on Word for Word Perfect users. For mo http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart2.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart1.htm http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/templates.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Number...gExplained.htm http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...latesStore.htm Function Keys In Word 2000 (or later) You can get the function keys to display in a special toolbar at the bottom of the screen if you want (something like pressing F3 twice in WP). The following macro will do this. Sub ShowMeFunctionKeys() Commandbars("Function Key Display").Visible = True End Sub Word's Extend key (F8) gives something similar to block processing. Formatting and Styles Learn about Styles - really learn! http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm I resisted for years and now regret every day of those years because although that string was still very hard to push, it kept getting longer and longer, and had some very important projects tied to it! Once you understand styles and the Word concept of organizing things into Chinese boxes everything falls into place and instead of pushing a string, you can push a button that turns on the very powerful text processing machine known as Microsoft Word and it will start doing your work for you instead of running around behind you trying to undo what you just thought you did. Converting documents Word / Word Perfect Some special characters in Word Perfect documents don't convert well to Word. There is a macro to assist with this described at http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/...html#macroword and can be found at http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/WPSymbolConv.bas. This was prepared by Edward Mendelson. Otherwise, look at the macro from http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=212396 Use these on _copies_! As for converting documents from Word Perfect to _use_ in Word... In a word, don't plan on it. I would not recommend using converted documents long-term. They will be filled with formatting anomolies that will get you at the worst time. This is especially true of any documents containing automatic numbering or bullets. Try recreating form documents in Word using the following process: In Word Perfect (if you still have it, in Word if not) save your files as text files. Use your converted files as references to show you how you want your formatting to look. Create a new document in Word and insert the text from the text file. Save this new document as a Word template. Format it the way you want using styles, not direct formatting. Save it again. To use a template within Word, use File = New and pick your template. This will create a new document for you. Merge documents have special problems and should be recreated from text files or retyped in Word. To convert data files, consider generating labels in WP as a document, converting that to Word, and then using http://www.gmayor.com/convert_labels...mail_merge.htm to get a new Word data file. Note that conversions usually do create documents that look passable and print OK; the problems I'm referring to have to do with editing / making changes, that is, using the documents long-term. (See below on reusing documents vs. using templates.) Conversion back to Word Perfect: There is a problem (in addition to the ones mentioned for conversion _to_ Word) with Version 2002 (XP) and later of Word. The conversion file only works for conversion _to_ Word, not from Word to Word Perfect! Earlier versions went both ways. To fix this, you need to find the old conversion file WPFT532.CNV from a Word 97 or Word 2000 installation and copy it to your new installation, replacing the file of the same name. Note, the change making the file one-way was done as a security measure. While I don't know of any problems the old file causes, keep the new installation's file somewhere as a backup just in case. Boilerplate and Forms In WP a lot of people use macros to hold chunks of text - boilerplate. In Word this function is filled by Templates, AutoText and AutoCorrect, not macros. Follow the links at http://addbalance.com/word/wordwebre...s.htm#AutoText for more information on these tools. You can use FILLIN and ASK fields or UserForms to query the user. For more about online forms, follow the links at http://addbalance.com/word/wordwebresources.htm#Forms or http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...nTheBlanks.htm especially Dian Chapman's series of articles. You may also want to look at http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFl...nesInForms.htm. Reusing Documents vs. Using templates General practice in WP is to have a document and copy and edit it to create a new document. This is not good practice in Word. In Word, construct a good, tight, template for your documents and use that template when constructing new documents. Among other things, this can avoid embarrassing "metadata" (http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/metadata.htm) and things like surprise headers and footers from creeping into new documents. It's a lot of reading, I know. It's OK to chunk it down and do a bit each day, but I would recommend that you make it a top priority to do that bit each day. In the (short) long run, it will save you both time and grief. -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs which is awesome! My criminal law site: http://addbalance.com --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Word Hater" Word wrote in message ... Im a software developer and the hardest part of my job is using MS Word to write all my documentation. Im CONSTANTLY battling with indentations, numbering and tables that have a mind of their own and are so counter-intuitive it makes me want to eat my computer. I have handed in documents to my projects managers in the past which they returned to me complaining about the formatting. I have simply replied to them that I refuse to waste my time using such a badly written bit of software and they can do the bloody indentations themselves. Youd think after a million versions MS would have fixed it. Oh no. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ocmanagemen t |
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Why dont MS just f**king re-write Word from scratch? Its dogsh
No one has given me an answer for why that happened and I dont expect
one. My point is, is that Microsoft is one of the biggest software producers in the world and its still releases software with bugs and little niggles that make you scratch your head or scream vulgar obsenities at it. In addition it also crashes a fair bit and corrupts the odd file now and again for no reason. As I have repeated, I could be an expert in Word but I would have no control over these problems. Most software that is released into the world has only 80% of its bugs fixed. Software that is completely bug-free doesn't exist and if one tries to create it, would never ship anyhow. The closest the industry gets to bug-free software is the software that is used in life-critical applications, e.g. by NASA. And even then, bugs are everywhere and software bugs have cost ESA e.g. one rocket (Ariane 5), NASA at least one $1 billion probe, almost jeopardized another NASA mission, etc. The point is that for space applications the most expensive and exhaustive software engineering practices are used and it still has bugs. Bugs are a fact of life of computer programs, and bug-free software only exists if the program is very small (you can probably get 10-100 lines to be bug free) Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net |
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Why dont MS just f**king re-write Word from scratch? Its dogsh
You storm in, announce to the world that you're a dickhead, and expect
answer from the people you abuse? Gee, did the dog fart in your bed last night? "Word Hater" wrote in message ... Im not gonna give up here. Yeah my attitude is a bit whiffy but lets get to the point. Tell me why it changed all my headings from numbers to letters simply by switching applications. Im sorry, but give me all the books you want, that is a bug. No one has given me an answer for why that happened and I dont expect one. My point is, is that Microsoft is one of the biggest software producers in the world and its still releases software with bugs and little niggles that make you scratch your head or scream vulgar obsenities at it. In addition it also crashes a fair bit and corrupts the odd file now and again for no reason. As I have repeated, I could be an expert in Word but I would have no control over these problems. Look at Propellerhead software's Reason. Its a real-time, cpu intensive, hardware emulating sythesizer and music sequencer package. It can do all manner of ridiculous things all at once. Do you know how many times its crashed or acted in a way that confused me in the last 3 years Ive been using it? None. True, its not a word processor, but if a small Sweedish company can write software that can manage to do all these very techinical, cpu intesive things all at once without dropping a single note or crashing ever and Microsoft having trouble 'displaying a bit of text' what hope is there?!? MS Word IS buggy. It IS un-intuitive. No amount of reading up can change this. The fact that you suggest I should have to read a book to know how to do these, lets face it, very basic tasks, only highlights its un-intuitiveness. ha. "Patrick Schmid" wrote: Your points are too generic and obviously come from someone who hasn't even tried to understand how Word works. Combined with the attitude you came in here, I don't think that many people here are going to be extremely willing to refute every single detailed point. Come back with a different name and an attitude that searches for help on how to do things instead of blasting Word, and you'll find a more receptive audience. "Word Hater" wrote in message : No, you've completed avoided my points and repeated what you said in the first place. What about when it changed my heading numbering when I switched applications? What about it being very un-intuitive at times? These are the points Im trying to make. "Jezebel" wrote: Yes: invest time to learn a bit more about indentation you would understand why it is doing what it is doing. "Word Hater" wrote in message ... And my other points.....do you have a response to them? "Jezebel" wrote: I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I invested time to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it is doing what it is doing. You said it. |
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Word Hater,
You are like someone who has purchased a $20,000 Harley Davidson, but never learned how to shift gears, so you are stuck putzing along in first gear, complaining about why it doesn't go fast. Questions about numbering, and why it suddenly changes on you, come up here every day. The links provided to you above by the other posters point you to what to do about it. Unfortunately, it requires actually learning to use the software. There is no software anywhere that works without you having to learn something about it. I used to think the same thing about Word as you, but after following this forum for the last month and learning to use the software, and how to work around some bugs, I am a much more satisfied user. "Charles Kenyon" wrote: Word can do what you want, but you do have to learn to use it. The numbering feature is poor, but I hear it is improved in the newest version. Nevertheless, it can be made to work well. -- See: How to create numbered headings or outline numbering in your Word document http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...Numbering.html. (For bullets see http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/bull...olbullets.html, the subject is related.) This is based on ... Word's Numbering Explained http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Number...gExplained.htm Here is some general info on moving from Word Perfect to Word: Word and Word Perfect work very differently from one another (and from other Word Processing programs). Each program's methods have strengths and weaknesses; but, if you try to use one of these programs as if it were the other, it is like pushing on a string! You can easily make a lot of extra work for yourself. In the (short) long term (weeks rather than years) spending the time to learn Word will save you time if you are spending any time at all (more than an hour a day) using Word. See http://www.addbalance.com/word/wordperfect.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...ordPerfect.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...AndGotchas.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...Converters.htm http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/conc...ion/index.html for information on Word for Word Perfect users. For mo http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart2.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart1.htm http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/templates.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Number...gExplained.htm http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...latesStore.htm Function Keys In Word 2000 (or later) You can get the function keys to display in a special toolbar at the bottom of the screen if you want (something like pressing F3 twice in WP). The following macro will do this. Sub ShowMeFunctionKeys() Commandbars("Function Key Display").Visible = True End Sub Word's Extend key (F8) gives something similar to block processing. Formatting and Styles Learn about Styles - really learn! http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm I resisted for years and now regret every day of those years because although that string was still very hard to push, it kept getting longer and longer, and had some very important projects tied to it! Once you understand styles and the Word concept of organizing things into Chinese boxes everything falls into place and instead of pushing a string, you can push a button that turns on the very powerful text processing machine known as Microsoft Word and it will start doing your work for you instead of running around behind you trying to undo what you just thought you did. Converting documents Word / Word Perfect Some special characters in Word Perfect documents don't convert well to Word. There is a macro to assist with this described at http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/...html#macroword and can be found at http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/WPSymbolConv.bas. This was prepared by Edward Mendelson. Otherwise, look at the macro from http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=212396 Use these on _copies_! As for converting documents from Word Perfect to _use_ in Word... In a word, don't plan on it. I would not recommend using converted documents long-term. They will be filled with formatting anomolies that will get you at the worst time. This is especially true of any documents containing automatic numbering or bullets. Try recreating form documents in Word using the following process: In Word Perfect (if you still have it, in Word if not) save your files as text files. Use your converted files as references to show you how you want your formatting to look. Create a new document in Word and insert the text from the text file. Save this new document as a Word template. Format it the way you want using styles, not direct formatting. Save it again. To use a template within Word, use File = New and pick your template. This will create a new document for you. Merge documents have special problems and should be recreated from text files or retyped in Word. To convert data files, consider generating labels in WP as a document, converting that to Word, and then using http://www.gmayor.com/convert_labels...mail_merge.htm to get a new Word data file. Note that conversions usually do create documents that look passable and print OK; the problems I'm referring to have to do with editing / making changes, that is, using the documents long-term. (See below on reusing documents vs. using templates.) Conversion back to Word Perfect: There is a problem (in addition to the ones mentioned for conversion _to_ Word) with Version 2002 (XP) and later of Word. The conversion file only works for conversion _to_ Word, not from Word to Word Perfect! Earlier versions went both ways. To fix this, you need to find the old conversion file WPFT532.CNV from a Word 97 or Word 2000 installation and copy it to your new installation, replacing the file of the same name. Note, the change making the file one-way was done as a security measure. While I don't know of any problems the old file causes, keep the new installation's file somewhere as a backup just in case. Boilerplate and Forms In WP a lot of people use macros to hold chunks of text - boilerplate. In Word this function is filled by Templates, AutoText and AutoCorrect, not macros. Follow the links at http://addbalance.com/word/wordwebre...s.htm#AutoText for more information on these tools. You can use FILLIN and ASK fields or UserForms to query the user. For more about online forms, follow the links at http://addbalance.com/word/wordwebresources.htm#Forms or http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...nTheBlanks.htm especially Dian Chapman's series of articles. You may also want to look at http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFl...nesInForms.htm. Reusing Documents vs. Using templates General practice in WP is to have a document and copy and edit it to create a new document. This is not good practice in Word. In Word, construct a good, tight, template for your documents and use that template when constructing new documents. Among other things, this can avoid embarrassing "metadata" (http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/metadata.htm) and things like surprise headers and footers from creeping into new documents. It's a lot of reading, I know. It's OK to chunk it down and do a bit each day, but I would recommend that you make it a top priority to do that bit each day. In the (short) long run, it will save you both time and grief. -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs which is awesome! My criminal law site: http://addbalance.com --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Word Hater" Word wrote in message ... Im a software developer and the hardest part of my job is using MS Word to write all my documentation. Im CONSTANTLY battling with indentations, numbering and tables that have a mind of their own and are so counter-intuitive it makes me want to eat my computer. I have handed in documents to my projects managers in the past which they returned to me complaining about the formatting. I have simply replied to them that I refuse to waste my time using such a badly written bit of software and they can do the bloody indentations themselves. Youd think after a million versions MS would have fixed it. Oh no. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ocmanagemen t |
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Granted, 'storming in' here with a the subject and handle that I have used is
going to raise a few people's backs and cause a little comotion. However, I have not directly offended anyone on this thread. I have challenged them to answer some of my questions, but this is mere discussion and debate. The only direct target of my venom is a collusal software company that should know better. If you are offended by my comments then I can only come to the conclusion that you are one of the developers of Word. This being the case I severely doubt that all the problems that I am having with Word are down to you. My point in all this being, Jez, is that I resent the 'dickhead' tag. I do not expect answers as to why these things are happening either as without people seeing it for themselves, its going to be very difficult for them to provide an answer anyway. I am merely venting a little of my frustration and would like some exceptance that Word is quite a buggy bit of software and it can be quite un-intuitive at times. As Patrick quite rightly states, no software is bug-free and being a software developer myself I can fully appreciate this. MS Word is not a life critical piece of software (although you could argue it is as over the years I have had moments where I've wanted to end it all, thanks to Word ) whereas Nasa's software most likely is (I wonder if they use Word...). I'm just saying that a software company like Microsoft that probably has the most amount of time, money and resources in the world, plus a version history of Word spanning over a decade or two, you'd think they'd be able to iron out silly little bugs like the ones I'm seeing. If it were a tiny little software house or bit of freeware, I would have no problems with these issues. The fact that its Microsoft means that there's no excuse. And before you think I'm a Microsoft basher, you couldnt be further from the truth. I believe Microsoft is one of the most important companies in the world today and if it wasnt for them we wouldnt be enjoying anything like the advancement in home and professional PC usage we see today. I can't see the point in Macs other than a marketing tool to get computing to look 'cool'. There's nothing you can do on a mac that you cant do on a PC with windows, but this is a whole new debate I dont even want to start. So before any MS bods monitoring this thread get my real identity and burn my house down, I'd like to say that Im only unhappy with Word. The rest is great. Hope I've cleared things up, angry people. "Jezebel" wrote: You storm in, announce to the world that you're a dickhead, and expect answer from the people you abuse? Gee, did the dog fart in your bed last night? "Word Hater" wrote in message ... Im not gonna give up here. Yeah my attitude is a bit whiffy but lets get to the point. Tell me why it changed all my headings from numbers to letters simply by switching applications. Im sorry, but give me all the books you want, that is a bug. No one has given me an answer for why that happened and I dont expect one. My point is, is that Microsoft is one of the biggest software producers in the world and its still releases software with bugs and little niggles that make you scratch your head or scream vulgar obsenities at it. In addition it also crashes a fair bit and corrupts the odd file now and again for no reason. As I have repeated, I could be an expert in Word but I would have no control over these problems. Look at Propellerhead software's Reason. Its a real-time, cpu intensive, hardware emulating sythesizer and music sequencer package. It can do all manner of ridiculous things all at once. Do you know how many times its crashed or acted in a way that confused me in the last 3 years Ive been using it? None. True, its not a word processor, but if a small Sweedish company can write software that can manage to do all these very techinical, cpu intesive things all at once without dropping a single note or crashing ever and Microsoft having trouble 'displaying a bit of text' what hope is there?!? MS Word IS buggy. It IS un-intuitive. No amount of reading up can change this. The fact that you suggest I should have to read a book to know how to do these, lets face it, very basic tasks, only highlights its un-intuitiveness. ha. "Patrick Schmid" wrote: Your points are too generic and obviously come from someone who hasn't even tried to understand how Word works. Combined with the attitude you came in here, I don't think that many people here are going to be extremely willing to refute every single detailed point. Come back with a different name and an attitude that searches for help on how to do things instead of blasting Word, and you'll find a more receptive audience. "Word Hater" wrote in message : No, you've completed avoided my points and repeated what you said in the first place. What about when it changed my heading numbering when I switched applications? What about it being very un-intuitive at times? These are the points Im trying to make. "Jezebel" wrote: Yes: invest time to learn a bit more about indentation you would understand why it is doing what it is doing. "Word Hater" wrote in message ... And my other points.....do you have a response to them? "Jezebel" wrote: I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I invested time to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it is doing what it is doing. You said it. |
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I am pretty sure that there is enough Word knowledge in this newsgroup
to explain every situation you are encountering, if you provide clear reproduction steps, meaning what you did exactly and what happened then. It is important to provide the slightest details for that. As your issues seemed to be focused around indentation, individual keystrokes matter. The experts in this newsgroup helping everyone include a lot of the authors that write the Word books, consultants who earn a living just from Word, etc. There are also quite a few people in here who are members of the Office 2007 Technical Beta Community. If there is something you are experiencing that still behaves the same in Word 2007 and no one can provide an explanation for, a member of the tech beta can easily get an answer from Microsoft on that. I for example did that a week or so ago on an issue and within a day had a reply from Microsoft explaining why something quite weird was happening. So in short...There is an explanation for everything and the people in this newsgroup either know it already or will make an effort to find it out. Give us a good explanation what you are exactly seeing and it is probably a good idea to first educate yourself on some of the basic stuff related to the issues as well. Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net "Word Hater" wrote in message : Granted, 'storming in' here with a the subject and handle that I have used is going to raise a few people's backs and cause a little comotion. However, I have not directly offended anyone on this thread. I have challenged them to answer some of my questions, but this is mere discussion and debate. The only direct target of my venom is a collusal software company that should know better. If you are offended by my comments then I can only come to the conclusion that you are one of the developers of Word. This being the case I severely doubt that all the problems that I am having with Word are down to you. My point in all this being, Jez, is that I resent the 'dickhead' tag. I do not expect answers as to why these things are happening either as without people seeing it for themselves, its going to be very difficult for them to provide an answer anyway. I am merely venting a little of my frustration and would like some exceptance that Word is quite a buggy bit of software and it can be quite un-intuitive at times. As Patrick quite rightly states, no software is bug-free and being a software developer myself I can fully appreciate this. MS Word is not a life critical piece of software (although you could argue it is as over the years I have had moments where I've wanted to end it all, thanks to Word ) whereas Nasa's software most likely is (I wonder if they use Word...). I'm just saying that a software company like Microsoft that probably has the most amount of time, money and resources in the world, plus a version history of Word spanning over a decade or two, you'd think they'd be able to iron out silly little bugs like the ones I'm seeing. If it were a tiny little software house or bit of freeware, I would have no problems with these issues. The fact that its Microsoft means that there's no excuse. And before you think I'm a Microsoft basher, you couldnt be further from the truth. I believe Microsoft is one of the most important companies in the world today and if it wasnt for them we wouldnt be enjoying anything like the advancement in home and professional PC usage we see today. I can't see the point in Macs other than a marketing tool to get computing to look 'cool'. There's nothing you can do on a mac that you cant do on a PC with windows, but this is a whole new debate I dont even want to start. So before any MS bods monitoring this thread get my real identity and burn my house down, I'd like to say that Im only unhappy with Word. The rest is great. Hope I've cleared things up, angry people. "Jezebel" wrote: You storm in, announce to the world that you're a dickhead, and expect answer from the people you abuse? Gee, did the dog fart in your bed last night? "Word Hater" wrote in message ... Im not gonna give up here. Yeah my attitude is a bit whiffy but lets get to the point. Tell me why it changed all my headings from numbers to letters simply by switching applications. Im sorry, but give me all the books you want, that is a bug. No one has given me an answer for why that happened and I dont expect one. My point is, is that Microsoft is one of the biggest software producers in the world and its still releases software with bugs and little niggles that make you scratch your head or scream vulgar obsenities at it. In addition it also crashes a fair bit and corrupts the odd file now and again for no reason. As I have repeated, I could be an expert in Word but I would have no control over these problems. Look at Propellerhead software's Reason. Its a real-time, cpu intensive, hardware emulating sythesizer and music sequencer package. It can do all manner of ridiculous things all at once. Do you know how many times its crashed or acted in a way that confused me in the last 3 years Ive been using it? None. True, its not a word processor, but if a small Sweedish company can write software that can manage to do all these very techinical, cpu intesive things all at once without dropping a single note or crashing ever and Microsoft having trouble 'displaying a bit of text' what hope is there?!? MS Word IS buggy. It IS un-intuitive. No amount of reading up can change this. The fact that you suggest I should have to read a book to know how to do these, lets face it, very basic tasks, only highlights its un-intuitiveness. ha. "Patrick Schmid" wrote: Your points are too generic and obviously come from someone who hasn't even tried to understand how Word works. Combined with the attitude you came in here, I don't think that many people here are going to be extremely willing to refute every single detailed point. Come back with a different name and an attitude that searches for help on how to do things instead of blasting Word, and you'll find a more receptive audience. "Word Hater" wrote in message : No, you've completed avoided my points and repeated what you said in the first place. What about when it changed my heading numbering when I switched applications? What about it being very un-intuitive at times? These are the points Im trying to make. "Jezebel" wrote: Yes: invest time to learn a bit more about indentation you would understand why it is doing what it is doing. "Word Hater" wrote in message ... And my other points.....do you have a response to them? "Jezebel" wrote: I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I invested time to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it is doing what it is doing. You said it. |
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Word hater, I'm with you on this one. I've had countless problems with
indents and numbering that it becomes a nightmare, and I also agree that it's a simple function that the program should have no problems in doing, regardless of what anyone says or suggests...reading books etc etc etc it shouldn't be required because you know as well as me that it is a basic function of a word processor. Whether I'm using Office 97, 2000, XP or 2007 B2, the same problem is there in EVERY one of them. As for Jezebel, you are obviously blinded by love to Microsoft so much that you can't admit that there his complaint is valid. Instead you criticise him of doing things he hasn't done, abuse him yourself and have the audacity to offer no help whatsoever. Great work....! No doubt you'll suggest the same thing to me as you did to Word Hater, feel free as that's all I'm expecting from you at the moment...or maybe another copy and paste from your good self? Patrick, as for assuming he hasn't tried to understand how Word works....mate, he shouldn't have to for things like this. It is really quite frustrating but you've already been told that. Furthermore, he doesn't need to spoon feed you or anyone else about what happened, blind Freddy could tell you what he's talking about. That's just a cop out because you don't know the solution. Word Hater, although you could have approached the problem better, your comments are still valid however you're not going to get an answer and neither am I as to why this happens. The reason being they don't have a solution. If there was one, it would have been fixed a long, long time ago. |
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Hi Chris
Chris wrote: [..] Patrick, as for assuming he hasn't tried to understand how Word works....mate, he shouldn't have to for things like this. I disagree! Our anonymous friend wrote it's part of his _job_ to write software documentation. He has doubtlessly spent hours and hours learning the software tools he's using. Why can't he spend half a day reading up on the documentation tool he's using?? Or why can't his company hire a Word specialist to produce sensible templates which work?? Or he can "code" his documentation in XML ... ;-) You say that Word should cope with indentations and numbering and stuff, and from scratch. That's a valid suggestion, I agree. When I am in the process of writing structured documents, I first have to switch off almost all "AutoFormat(WhenYouDontLook)" stuff. And setup the styles the way I want them. And use styles exclusively. I would wish that the default settings of Word were honoring more the way _I_ intend to work with the application. Obviously, Microsoft thinks that more users are simply writing letters and other small documents, and by themselves. [That might be a valid assumption, too ...] 2cents Robert -- /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | MS \ / | MVP X Against HTML | for / \ in e-mail & news | Word |
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G'day Chris ,
One word: STYLES We have no love for MS. We also have little love for fools who wish to complain daily, but not actually make any effort to teach themselves a better way. See www.mvps.org etc for suitable resources. Steve Hudson - Word Heretic steve from wordheretic.com (Email replies require payment) Without prejudice Chris reckoned: Word hater, I'm with you on this one. I've had countless problems with indents and numbering that it becomes a nightmare, and I also agree that it's a simple function that the program should have no problems in doing, regardless of what anyone says or suggests...reading books etc etc etc it shouldn't be required because you know as well as me that it is a basic function of a word processor. Whether I'm using Office 97, 2000, XP or 2007 B2, the same problem is there in EVERY one of them. As for Jezebel, you are obviously blinded by love to Microsoft so much that you can't admit that there his complaint is valid. Instead you criticise him of doing things he hasn't done, abuse him yourself and have the audacity to offer no help whatsoever. Great work....! No doubt you'll suggest the same thing to me as you did to Word Hater, feel free as that's all I'm expecting from you at the moment...or maybe another copy and paste from your good self? Patrick, as for assuming he hasn't tried to understand how Word works....mate, he shouldn't have to for things like this. It is really quite frustrating but you've already been told that. Furthermore, he doesn't need to spoon feed you or anyone else about what happened, blind Freddy could tell you what he's talking about. That's just a cop out because you don't know the solution. Word Hater, although you could have approached the problem better, your comments are still valid however you're not going to get an answer and neither am I as to why this happens. The reason being they don't have a solution. If there was one, it would have been fixed a long, long time ago. |
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G'day Word Hater ,
Troll. You came here to direct venom in a place designed, and used for, assisting users. Steve Hudson - Word Heretic steve from wordheretic.com (Email replies require payment) Without prejudice Word Hater reckoned: Granted, 'storming in' here with a the subject and handle that I have used is going to raise a few people's backs and cause a little comotion. However, I have not directly offended anyone on this thread. I have challenged them to answer some of my questions, but this is mere discussion and debate. The only direct target of my venom is a collusal software company that should know better. If you are offended by my comments then I can only come to the conclusion that you are one of the developers of Word. This being the case I severely doubt that all the problems that I am having with Word are down to you. My point in all this being, Jez, is that I resent the 'dickhead' tag. I do not expect answers as to why these things are happening either as without people seeing it for themselves, its going to be very difficult for them to provide an answer anyway. I am merely venting a little of my frustration and would like some exceptance that Word is quite a buggy bit of software and it can be quite un-intuitive at times. As Patrick quite rightly states, no software is bug-free and being a software developer myself I can fully appreciate this. MS Word is not a life critical piece of software (although you could argue it is as over the years I have had moments where I've wanted to end it all, thanks to Word ) whereas Nasa's software most likely is (I wonder if they use Word...). I'm just saying that a software company like Microsoft that probably has the most amount of time, money and resources in the world, plus a version history of Word spanning over a decade or two, you'd think they'd be able to iron out silly little bugs like the ones I'm seeing. If it were a tiny little software house or bit of freeware, I would have no problems with these issues. The fact that its Microsoft means that there's no excuse. And before you think I'm a Microsoft basher, you couldnt be further from the truth. I believe Microsoft is one of the most important companies in the world today and if it wasnt for them we wouldnt be enjoying anything like the advancement in home and professional PC usage we see today. I can't see the point in Macs other than a marketing tool to get computing to look 'cool'. There's nothing you can do on a mac that you cant do on a PC with windows, but this is a whole new debate I dont even want to start. So before any MS bods monitoring this thread get my real identity and burn my house down, I'd like to say that Im only unhappy with Word. The rest is great. Hope I've cleared things up, angry people. "Jezebel" wrote: You storm in, announce to the world that you're a dickhead, and expect answer from the people you abuse? Gee, did the dog fart in your bed last night? "Word Hater" wrote in message ... Im not gonna give up here. Yeah my attitude is a bit whiffy but lets get to the point. Tell me why it changed all my headings from numbers to letters simply by switching applications. Im sorry, but give me all the books you want, that is a bug. No one has given me an answer for why that happened and I dont expect one. My point is, is that Microsoft is one of the biggest software producers in the world and its still releases software with bugs and little niggles that make you scratch your head or scream vulgar obsenities at it. In addition it also crashes a fair bit and corrupts the odd file now and again for no reason. As I have repeated, I could be an expert in Word but I would have no control over these problems. Look at Propellerhead software's Reason. Its a real-time, cpu intensive, hardware emulating sythesizer and music sequencer package. It can do all manner of ridiculous things all at once. Do you know how many times its crashed or acted in a way that confused me in the last 3 years Ive been using it? None. True, its not a word processor, but if a small Sweedish company can write software that can manage to do all these very techinical, cpu intesive things all at once without dropping a single note or crashing ever and Microsoft having trouble 'displaying a bit of text' what hope is there?!? MS Word IS buggy. It IS un-intuitive. No amount of reading up can change this. The fact that you suggest I should have to read a book to know how to do these, lets face it, very basic tasks, only highlights its un-intuitiveness. ha. "Patrick Schmid" wrote: Your points are too generic and obviously come from someone who hasn't even tried to understand how Word works. Combined with the attitude you came in here, I don't think that many people here are going to be extremely willing to refute every single detailed point. Come back with a different name and an attitude that searches for help on how to do things instead of blasting Word, and you'll find a more receptive audience. "Word Hater" wrote in message : No, you've completed avoided my points and repeated what you said in the first place. What about when it changed my heading numbering when I switched applications? What about it being very un-intuitive at times? These are the points Im trying to make. "Jezebel" wrote: Yes: invest time to learn a bit more about indentation you would understand why it is doing what it is doing. "Word Hater" wrote in message ... And my other points.....do you have a response to them? "Jezebel" wrote: I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I invested time to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it is doing what it is doing. You said it. |
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I understand. I was a WordPerfect user until the company made us switch to
Word in 1998. I went kicking and screaming. The 1998 version of WordPerfect is still ahead of Word. Use WordPerfect and convert it to Word. I get very frustrated with the Word's unfriendliness. Most of the users that say you just need to 'learn Word' are correct. If you want to know Word, you have to study it. WordPerfect is so intuitive you can do three times as much without having to 'learn' in. Using Word, but would prefer not to. -- Frances "Word Hater" wrote: Granted, 'storming in' here with a the subject and handle that I have used is going to raise a few people's backs and cause a little comotion. However, I have not directly offended anyone on this thread. I have challenged them to answer some of my questions, but this is mere discussion and debate. The only direct target of my venom is a collusal software company that should know better. If you are offended by my comments then I can only come to the conclusion that you are one of the developers of Word. This being the case I severely doubt that all the problems that I am having with Word are down to you. My point in all this being, Jez, is that I resent the 'dickhead' tag. I do not expect answers as to why these things are happening either as without people seeing it for themselves, its going to be very difficult for them to provide an answer anyway. I am merely venting a little of my frustration and would like some exceptance that Word is quite a buggy bit of software and it can be quite un-intuitive at times. As Patrick quite rightly states, no software is bug-free and being a software developer myself I can fully appreciate this. MS Word is not a life critical piece of software (although you could argue it is as over the years I have had moments where I've wanted to end it all, thanks to Word ) whereas Nasa's software most likely is (I wonder if they use Word...). I'm just saying that a software company like Microsoft that probably has the most amount of time, money and resources in the world, plus a version history of Word spanning over a decade or two, you'd think they'd be able to iron out silly little bugs like the ones I'm seeing. If it were a tiny little software house or bit of freeware, I would have no problems with these issues. The fact that its Microsoft means that there's no excuse. And before you think I'm a Microsoft basher, you couldnt be further from the truth. I believe Microsoft is one of the most important companies in the world today and if it wasnt for them we wouldnt be enjoying anything like the advancement in home and professional PC usage we see today. I can't see the point in Macs other than a marketing tool to get computing to look 'cool'. There's nothing you can do on a mac that you cant do on a PC with windows, but this is a whole new debate I dont even want to start. So before any MS bods monitoring this thread get my real identity and burn my house down, I'd like to say that Im only unhappy with Word. The rest is great. Hope I've cleared things up, angry people. "Jezebel" wrote: You storm in, announce to the world that you're a dickhead, and expect answer from the people you abuse? Gee, did the dog fart in your bed last night? "Word Hater" wrote in message ... Im not gonna give up here. Yeah my attitude is a bit whiffy but lets get to the point. Tell me why it changed all my headings from numbers to letters simply by switching applications. Im sorry, but give me all the books you want, that is a bug. No one has given me an answer for why that happened and I dont expect one. My point is, is that Microsoft is one of the biggest software producers in the world and its still releases software with bugs and little niggles that make you scratch your head or scream vulgar obsenities at it. In addition it also crashes a fair bit and corrupts the odd file now and again for no reason. As I have repeated, I could be an expert in Word but I would have no control over these problems. Look at Propellerhead software's Reason. Its a real-time, cpu intensive, hardware emulating sythesizer and music sequencer package. It can do all manner of ridiculous things all at once. Do you know how many times its crashed or acted in a way that confused me in the last 3 years Ive been using it? None. True, its not a word processor, but if a small Sweedish company can write software that can manage to do all these very techinical, cpu intesive things all at once without dropping a single note or crashing ever and Microsoft having trouble 'displaying a bit of text' what hope is there?!? MS Word IS buggy. It IS un-intuitive. No amount of reading up can change this. The fact that you suggest I should have to read a book to know how to do these, lets face it, very basic tasks, only highlights its un-intuitiveness. ha. "Patrick Schmid" wrote: Your points are too generic and obviously come from someone who hasn't even tried to understand how Word works. Combined with the attitude you came in here, I don't think that many people here are going to be extremely willing to refute every single detailed point. Come back with a different name and an attitude that searches for help on how to do things instead of blasting Word, and you'll find a more receptive audience. "Word Hater" wrote in message : No, you've completed avoided my points and repeated what you said in the first place. What about when it changed my heading numbering when I switched applications? What about it being very un-intuitive at times? These are the points Im trying to make. "Jezebel" wrote: Yes: invest time to learn a bit more about indentation you would understand why it is doing what it is doing. "Word Hater" wrote in message ... And my other points.....do you have a response to them? "Jezebel" wrote: I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I invested time to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it is doing what it is doing. You said it. |
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I ran kicking and screaming from WordPerfect as soon as possible after
starting to use Word. There are some things I still miss in WordPerfect, but Word is much more intuitive FOR ME. I think which one you prefer depends entirely on your own personality and style, though also, to a large extent, which you started with. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Franco" wrote in message ... I understand. I was a WordPerfect user until the company made us switch to Word in 1998. I went kicking and screaming. The 1998 version of WordPerfect is still ahead of Word. Use WordPerfect and convert it to Word. I get very frustrated with the Word's unfriendliness. Most of the users that say you just need to 'learn Word' are correct. If you want to know Word, you have to study it. WordPerfect is so intuitive you can do three times as much without having to 'learn' in. Using Word, but would prefer not to. -- Frances "Word Hater" wrote: Granted, 'storming in' here with a the subject and handle that I have used is going to raise a few people's backs and cause a little comotion. However, I have not directly offended anyone on this thread. I have challenged them to answer some of my questions, but this is mere discussion and debate. The only direct target of my venom is a collusal software company that should know better. If you are offended by my comments then I can only come to the conclusion that you are one of the developers of Word. This being the case I severely doubt that all the problems that I am having with Word are down to you. My point in all this being, Jez, is that I resent the 'dickhead' tag. I do not expect answers as to why these things are happening either as without people seeing it for themselves, its going to be very difficult for them to provide an answer anyway. I am merely venting a little of my frustration and would like some exceptance that Word is quite a buggy bit of software and it can be quite un-intuitive at times. As Patrick quite rightly states, no software is bug-free and being a software developer myself I can fully appreciate this. MS Word is not a life critical piece of software (although you could argue it is as over the years I have had moments where I've wanted to end it all, thanks to Word ) whereas Nasa's software most likely is (I wonder if they use Word...). I'm just saying that a software company like Microsoft that probably has the most amount of time, money and resources in the world, plus a version history of Word spanning over a decade or two, you'd think they'd be able to iron out silly little bugs like the ones I'm seeing. If it were a tiny little software house or bit of freeware, I would have no problems with these issues. The fact that its Microsoft means that there's no excuse. And before you think I'm a Microsoft basher, you couldnt be further from the truth. I believe Microsoft is one of the most important companies in the world today and if it wasnt for them we wouldnt be enjoying anything like the advancement in home and professional PC usage we see today. I can't see the point in Macs other than a marketing tool to get computing to look 'cool'. There's nothing you can do on a mac that you cant do on a PC with windows, but this is a whole new debate I dont even want to start. So before any MS bods monitoring this thread get my real identity and burn my house down, I'd like to say that Im only unhappy with Word. The rest is great. Hope I've cleared things up, angry people. "Jezebel" wrote: You storm in, announce to the world that you're a dickhead, and expect answer from the people you abuse? Gee, did the dog fart in your bed last night? "Word Hater" wrote in message ... Im not gonna give up here. Yeah my attitude is a bit whiffy but lets get to the point. Tell me why it changed all my headings from numbers to letters simply by switching applications. Im sorry, but give me all the books you want, that is a bug. No one has given me an answer for why that happened and I dont expect one. My point is, is that Microsoft is one of the biggest software producers in the world and its still releases software with bugs and little niggles that make you scratch your head or scream vulgar obsenities at it. In addition it also crashes a fair bit and corrupts the odd file now and again for no reason. As I have repeated, I could be an expert in Word but I would have no control over these problems. Look at Propellerhead software's Reason. Its a real-time, cpu intensive, hardware emulating sythesizer and music sequencer package. It can do all manner of ridiculous things all at once. Do you know how many times its crashed or acted in a way that confused me in the last 3 years Ive been using it? None. True, its not a word processor, but if a small Sweedish company can write software that can manage to do all these very techinical, cpu intesive things all at once without dropping a single note or crashing ever and Microsoft having trouble 'displaying a bit of text' what hope is there?!? MS Word IS buggy. It IS un-intuitive. No amount of reading up can change this. The fact that you suggest I should have to read a book to know how to do these, lets face it, very basic tasks, only highlights its un-intuitiveness. ha. "Patrick Schmid" wrote: Your points are too generic and obviously come from someone who hasn't even tried to understand how Word works. Combined with the attitude you came in here, I don't think that many people here are going to be extremely willing to refute every single detailed point. Come back with a different name and an attitude that searches for help on how to do things instead of blasting Word, and you'll find a more receptive audience. "Word Hater" wrote in message : No, you've completed avoided my points and repeated what you said in the first place. What about when it changed my heading numbering when I switched applications? What about it being very un-intuitive at times? These are the points Im trying to make. "Jezebel" wrote: Yes: invest time to learn a bit more about indentation you would understand why it is doing what it is doing. "Word Hater" wrote in message ... And my other points.....do you have a response to them? "Jezebel" wrote: I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I invested time to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it is doing what it is doing. You said it. |
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Patrick,
I'm a technical editor using Word 2002 XP. I have the same problems as Word Hater. I've shut off all the automatic formatting and Word still insists on applying its styles instead of mine. For example, I have a 132-page document containing numbered headings. Once all my styles are applied, and the document is the way I want it, I saved it. When I opened it up the next day, all the numbered headings were unnumbered! I have several more documents that need formatting and my whole team is experiencing the same thing. We've bought four books to help us solve the "style" problem, but to no avail. What are we missing? "Patrick Schmid" wrote: Buy a good book and learn how to use Word. Or use OpenOffice if you don't want to use Word and fight with the indentations there. It's not going to be any easier. Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net "Word Hater" Word wrote in message : Im a software developer and the hardest part of my job is using MS Word to write all my documentation. Im CONSTANTLY battling with indentations, numbering and tables that have a mind of their own and are so counter-intuitive it makes me want to eat my computer. I have handed in documents to my projects managers in the past which they returned to me complaining about the formatting. I have simply replied to them that I refuse to waste my time using such a badly written bit of software and they can do the bloody indentations themselves. Youd think after a million versions MS would have fixed it. Oh no. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ocmanagemen t |
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1. Be sure you have "Define styles based on your formatting" disabled
(AutoFormat As You Type tab of Tools | AutoCorrect Options). 2. Avoid the Document Map. 3. Make sure you have outline numbering set up correctly as per http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...Numbering.html -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Lefty" wrote in message ... Patrick, I'm a technical editor using Word 2002 XP. I have the same problems as Word Hater. I've shut off all the automatic formatting and Word still insists on applying its styles instead of mine. For example, I have a 132-page document containing numbered headings. Once all my styles are applied, and the document is the way I want it, I saved it. When I opened it up the next day, all the numbered headings were unnumbered! I have several more documents that need formatting and my whole team is experiencing the same thing. We've bought four books to help us solve the "style" problem, but to no avail. What are we missing? "Patrick Schmid" wrote: Buy a good book and learn how to use Word. Or use OpenOffice if you don't want to use Word and fight with the indentations there. It's not going to be any easier. Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net "Word Hater" Word wrote in message : Im a software developer and the hardest part of my job is using MS Word to write all my documentation. Im CONSTANTLY battling with indentations, numbering and tables that have a mind of their own and are so counter-intuitive it makes me want to eat my computer. I have handed in documents to my projects managers in the past which they returned to me complaining about the formatting. I have simply replied to them that I refuse to waste my time using such a badly written bit of software and they can do the bloody indentations themselves. Youd think after a million versions MS would have fixed it. Oh no. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ocmanagemen t |
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Apologies to all for sending in my 2 cents on this a year later, but I just
stumbled across it! I am no where near the skill level of word hater or anyone else who wrote in, but I must agree with Word Haters basic point, of why should one have to spend time with outside resources to learn how to do something that should be explained within Word's help section to begin with? Having to do that does make me crazy! Aside from taking the time in advance to learn how to use Word correctly, as was said, I suspect to get that learning would take a significant block of time, that most workers (especially under a deadline) don't have the time to spend. And even if they did, what is the likelihood that the particular problem they are having would be addressed? And still, IF that topic is addressed, does it allow for any type of troubleshooting? Everyone knows that you can follow the "how to's" perfectly and still have errors. In my current work using Word a lot, I have run across several instances where my formatting (as example) does not work the way WORD instructs and says what the results will be. This makes me extremely exasperated as I waste too much time trying to figure out on my own what I did wrong. When I finally give up and consult outside sources, such as this site, I HAVE been able to progress with the answers I have received. (MOST of the time.) Still, I can't help but reflect on what Word Hater's point is. The responses received tell you the "unspoken" detail that is needed to accomplish your work. If WORD cannot provide those little "oh by the way - in order to do what you really want, you have to do this" then how is one to use WORD without reaching a point of hating it, simply because of the frustration? In honesty, I love WORD and will use this only. BUT - when I am needing to crank out some serious docs, the problems I come across, page numbering, styles, headers and footers, etc. just trigger my buttons. Not to mention not being able to submit my work in the pre-set time frame, as I did not anticipate having these dumb problems to begin with. Many times I have spent more time in finding the answer to my problem than I have spent in doing the entire job to begin with! Of recent, I have created a doc using what I consider to be the standard typical headers and footers, and everytime I make a change in one place, unwanted changes appear in others. This makes me nuts! As an FYI; I have copied and pasted every reply I have been given from this site as well as about 3 other sites whose purpose is to help with WORD issues. A solution that worked one day, suddenly doesn't work the next time. Like my current situation! I have modified the styles, done this and done that, and still, my page numbers are not consecutive, no matter what I do. As example. And believe me, I have done everything I have been told to do. It seems that frequently when I enter a change for a style and then hit the old "enter" key to apply the change, the change itself works, but all of a sudden, the font in my entire doc has changed! It seems to be is always something. My point is simply that it is extremely frustrating to try and do something that is not a big deal and then it doesn't work and you have no idea why not. I will go to the office assistant and I swear, my problem stated, there is never an answer to my problem. They provide pat answers of information you can read when you originally read the how to. It's as if you didn't read it to begin with, so you are directed back to what you already know. But if that doesn't solve it, you end up resorting to sites like this to get your problem actually solved. Thank Heavens this site exists or I would be looney tunes by now! So okay, I have rambled much too long with my frustrations, and now I am over it. This topic just hit a button of mine and I simply HAD to submit my woes, and agreement and understanding of word haters situation. As to the way he/she came across, which hit some folks rather harshly, I have to still agree with word hater. It seems to me that simply by virtue of your answer, that being to spend the time to learn how to use WORD, her frustration over the problem itself AND the answer given - SHOULD allow you to understand the exasperation. We are all big people, even if you don't agree with her methods, you need not fuel the fire by replying the same way. That makes you no better. If you came across professionally and replying to each issue clearly, with no sarcastic jabs, I would bet that she would have calmed down as the issues were discussed. Instead, the responses received only made the whole thing worse. I know I am still rambling (apologies again) but I am not able to even entertain the thought of writing software. But when I buy a program, a reputable expensive program, and the 1st thing I am hit with is to buy the support package, that sends me into the ozone right off the bat. I interpret that to mean, "yes, there will be problems and issues and if you want them cleared up, you are going to have to pay for getting the answer." WHAT?!?! If the software WAS written correctly, and written for the typical average (majority) of users, then there should not be any problems other than probably a hardware issue. Believe me when I said I am not even in the same ball park as you whiz folks, so the issues I have - I suspect are equal to mosquito bites to you folks. We are the people that need to be respected. It doesn't seem right to me that you (the software writers) assume that we would know how to do ..... what isn't told in the help sections. So there in lies the frustrations. Okay, now I really am done. Thanks for this opportunity. And please know, that I have been very satisfied and relieved with the help I have gotten from this site to my problems. I would've shot my pc by now had I not been able to get this help. "Word Hater" wrote: Im a software developer and the hardest part of my job is using MS Word to write all my documentation. Im CONSTANTLY battling with indentations, numbering and tables that have a mind of their own and are so counter-intuitive it makes me want to eat my computer. I have handed in documents to my projects managers in the past which they returned to me complaining about the formatting. I have simply replied to them that I refuse to waste my time using such a badly written bit of software and they can do the bloody indentations themselves. Youd think after a million versions MS would have fixed it. Oh no. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. 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Having waded through that diatribe (obviously I have too much time on my
hands) it appears that your rant boils down to an issue covered at http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...eformatted.htm -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org L. a. wrote: Apologies to all for sending in my 2 cents on this a year later, but I just stumbled across it! I am no where near the skill level of word hater or anyone else who wrote in, but I must agree with Word Haters basic point, of why should one have to spend time with outside resources to learn how to do something that should be explained within Word's help section to begin with? Having to do that does make me crazy! Aside from taking the time in advance to learn how to use Word correctly, as was said, I suspect to get that learning would take a significant block of time, that most workers (especially under a deadline) don't have the time to spend. And even if they did, what is the likelihood that the particular problem they are having would be addressed? And still, IF that topic is addressed, does it allow for any type of troubleshooting? Everyone knows that you can follow the "how to's" perfectly and still have errors. In my current work using Word a lot, I have run across several instances where my formatting (as example) does not work the way WORD instructs and says what the results will be. This makes me extremely exasperated as I waste too much time trying to figure out on my own what I did wrong. When I finally give up and consult outside sources, such as this site, I HAVE been able to progress with the answers I have received. (MOST of the time.) Still, I can't help but reflect on what Word Hater's point is. The responses received tell you the "unspoken" detail that is needed to accomplish your work. If WORD cannot provide those little "oh by the way - in order to do what you really want, you have to do this" then how is one to use WORD without reaching a point of hating it, simply because of the frustration? In honesty, I love WORD and will use this only. BUT - when I am needing to crank out some serious docs, the problems I come across, page numbering, styles, headers and footers, etc. just trigger my buttons. Not to mention not being able to submit my work in the pre-set time frame, as I did not anticipate having these dumb problems to begin with. Many times I have spent more time in finding the answer to my problem than I have spent in doing the entire job to begin with! Of recent, I have created a doc using what I consider to be the standard typical headers and footers, and everytime I make a change in one place, unwanted changes appear in others. This makes me nuts! As an FYI; I have copied and pasted every reply I have been given from this site as well as about 3 other sites whose purpose is to help with WORD issues. A solution that worked one day, suddenly doesn't work the next time. Like my current situation! I have modified the styles, done this and done that, and still, my page numbers are not consecutive, no matter what I do. As example. And believe me, I have done everything I have been told to do. It seems that frequently when I enter a change for a style and then hit the old "enter" key to apply the change, the change itself works, but all of a sudden, the font in my entire doc has changed! It seems to be is always something. My point is simply that it is extremely frustrating to try and do something that is not a big deal and then it doesn't work and you have no idea why not. I will go to the office assistant and I swear, my problem stated, there is never an answer to my problem. They provide pat answers of information you can read when you originally read the how to. It's as if you didn't read it to begin with, so you are directed back to what you already know. But if that doesn't solve it, you end up resorting to sites like this to get your problem actually solved. Thank Heavens this site exists or I would be looney tunes by now! So okay, I have rambled much too long with my frustrations, and now I am over it. This topic just hit a button of mine and I simply HAD to submit my woes, and agreement and understanding of word haters situation. As to the way he/she came across, which hit some folks rather harshly, I have to still agree with word hater. It seems to me that simply by virtue of your answer, that being to spend the time to learn how to use WORD, her frustration over the problem itself AND the answer given - SHOULD allow you to understand the exasperation. We are all big people, even if you don't agree with her methods, you need not fuel the fire by replying the same way. That makes you no better. If you came across professionally and replying to each issue clearly, with no sarcastic jabs, I would bet that she would have calmed down as the issues were discussed. Instead, the responses received only made the whole thing worse. I know I am still rambling (apologies again) but I am not able to even entertain the thought of writing software. But when I buy a program, a reputable expensive program, and the 1st thing I am hit with is to buy the support package, that sends me into the ozone right off the bat. I interpret that to mean, "yes, there will be problems and issues and if you want them cleared up, you are going to have to pay for getting the answer." WHAT?!?! If the software WAS written correctly, and written for the typical average (majority) of users, then there should not be any problems other than probably a hardware issue. Believe me when I said I am not even in the same ball park as you whiz folks, so the issues I have - I suspect are equal to mosquito bites to you folks. We are the people that need to be respected. It doesn't seem right to me that you (the software writers) assume that we would know how to do ..... what isn't told in the help sections. So there in lies the frustrations. Okay, now I really am done. Thanks for this opportunity. And please know, that I have been very satisfied and relieved with the help I have gotten from this site to my problems. I would've shot my pc by now had I not been able to get this help. "Word Hater" wrote: Im a software developer and the hardest part of my job is using MS Word to write all my documentation. Im CONSTANTLY battling with indentations, numbering and tables that have a mind of their own and are so counter-intuitive it makes me want to eat my computer. I have handed in documents to my projects managers in the past which they returned to me complaining about the formatting. I have simply replied to them that I refuse to waste my time using such a badly written bit of software and they can do the bloody indentations themselves. Youd think after a million versions MS would have fixed it. Oh no. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. 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"Yes"
Word is kludge because it trys to be everything to everybody. Suzie Homemaker wants to make greeting cards for the kids PTA. Word will glitz it up, no problem. Want to make a calendar with color and silly embedded graphics, no problem. Want to write a serious document. It takes longer to set up the document than it does to write it. Want to write what you are thinking while you have the thought. Forget about it. I have developed some very good templates and macros to support my specfic formating and writing requirements. Guess what. Word still requires too much fiddling around. I even use Dragon 10 in an effort to keep my thoughts flowing while I am writing. Even so, I am most product when I write in the Dragon Pad (basically notepad) and then copy in the text into Word for formating. The esential problem is that it takes a substantial effort to override all the gee-whiz stuff that MS put into the latest version (speaking of formating and paragraphs. The data handling and mail merge is pretty good). Note that with Wordperfect, you can just sit down and write; which is sufficient for 95% of business use. So why aren't I using WP? Because WP has lost its focus as a business tool and is also chasing the "Be everything to Everyone" bouncing ball. My suggestion to MS; find an adult business person to oversee the next iteration of Word. We don't need decorative borders, or pictures, or smart shapes, crazy numbering or "do it my way" formatting. We do need a business tool. When I use a tool, say a saw for example, I can focus on my work, not on the saw. Word needs to be a tool. -DL "Word Hater" wrote: Im a software developer and the hardest part of my job is using MS Word to write all my documentation. Im CONSTANTLY battling with indentations, numbering and tables that have a mind of their own and are so counter-intuitive it makes me want to eat my computer. I have handed in documents to my projects managers in the past which they returned to me complaining about the formatting. I have simply replied to them that I refuse to waste my time using such a badly written bit of software and they can do the bloody indentations themselves. Youd think after a million versions MS would have fixed it. Oh no. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ocmanagemen t |
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Why dont MS just f**king re-write Word from scratch? Its dogsh
This has been quite informative. I'm in total agreement with dlowrey. Not
every business is an adveritisng/marketing/toy company/sales-oriented company. Many businesses are very staid and serious. The Federal Reserve or the Pentagon or the court system, etc. have no time or energy for these frilly features that it takes so much time to remove/understand/fight with. For these kinds of businesses, the time and effort lost can cost much more than frustration. MS really does need to have some product, or a version of these products, that is no frills and to-the-point. That would also help reduce the bug factor, which truly does exist. "dlowrey" wrote: "Yes" Word is kludge because it trys to be everything to everybody. Suzie Homemaker wants to make greeting cards for the kids PTA. Word will glitz it up, no problem. Want to make a calendar with color and silly embedded graphics, no problem. Want to write a serious document. It takes longer to set up the document than it does to write it. Want to write what you are thinking while you have the thought. Forget about it. I have developed some very good templates and macros to support my specfic formating and writing requirements. Guess what. Word still requires too much fiddling around. I even use Dragon 10 in an effort to keep my thoughts flowing while I am writing. Even so, I am most product when I write in the Dragon Pad (basically notepad) and then copy in the text into Word for formating. The esential problem is that it takes a substantial effort to override all the gee-whiz stuff that MS put into the latest version (speaking of formating and paragraphs. The data handling and mail merge is pretty good). Note that with Wordperfect, you can just sit down and write; which is sufficient for 95% of business use. So why aren't I using WP? Because WP has lost its focus as a business tool and is also chasing the "Be everything to Everyone" bouncing ball. My suggestion to MS; find an adult business person to oversee the next iteration of Word. We don't need decorative borders, or pictures, or smart shapes, crazy numbering or "do it my way" formatting. We do need a business tool. When I use a tool, say a saw for example, I can focus on my work, not on the saw. Word needs to be a tool. -DL "Word Hater" wrote: Im a software developer and the hardest part of my job is using MS Word to write all my documentation. Im CONSTANTLY battling with indentations, numbering and tables that have a mind of their own and are so counter-intuitive it makes me want to eat my computer. I have handed in documents to my projects managers in the past which they returned to me complaining about the formatting. I have simply replied to them that I refuse to waste my time using such a badly written bit of software and they can do the bloody indentations themselves. Youd think after a million versions MS would have fixed it. Oh no. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ocmanagemen t |
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Why dont MS just f**king re-write Word from scratch? Its dogsh
Word was completely redesigned for Word 2007, and no one seems to be very
happy about that. People already complain about backward/forward compatibility. How many copies of Word do you think MS would sell if it were written from scratch and were not compatible with any previous version? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "LisaK" wrote in message ... This has been quite informative. I'm in total agreement with dlowrey. Not every business is an adveritisng/marketing/toy company/sales-oriented company. Many businesses are very staid and serious. The Federal Reserve or the Pentagon or the court system, etc. have no time or energy for these frilly features that it takes so much time to remove/understand/fight with. For these kinds of businesses, the time and effort lost can cost much more than frustration. MS really does need to have some product, or a version of these products, that is no frills and to-the-point. That would also help reduce the bug factor, which truly does exist. "dlowrey" wrote: "Yes" Word is kludge because it trys to be everything to everybody. Suzie Homemaker wants to make greeting cards for the kids PTA. Word will glitz it up, no problem. Want to make a calendar with color and silly embedded graphics, no problem. Want to write a serious document. It takes longer to set up the document than it does to write it. Want to write what you are thinking while you have the thought. Forget about it. I have developed some very good templates and macros to support my specfic formating and writing requirements. Guess what. Word still requires too much fiddling around. I even use Dragon 10 in an effort to keep my thoughts flowing while I am writing. Even so, I am most product when I write in the Dragon Pad (basically notepad) and then copy in the text into Word for formating. The esential problem is that it takes a substantial effort to override all the gee-whiz stuff that MS put into the latest version (speaking of formating and paragraphs. The data handling and mail merge is pretty good). Note that with Wordperfect, you can just sit down and write; which is sufficient for 95% of business use. So why aren't I using WP? Because WP has lost its focus as a business tool and is also chasing the "Be everything to Everyone" bouncing ball. My suggestion to MS; find an adult business person to oversee the next iteration of Word. We don't need decorative borders, or pictures, or smart shapes, crazy numbering or "do it my way" formatting. We do need a business tool. When I use a tool, say a saw for example, I can focus on my work, not on the saw. Word needs to be a tool. -DL "Word Hater" wrote: Im a software developer and the hardest part of my job is using MS Word to write all my documentation. Im CONSTANTLY battling with indentations, numbering and tables that have a mind of their own and are so counter-intuitive it makes me want to eat my computer. I have handed in documents to my projects managers in the past which they returned to me complaining about the formatting. I have simply replied to them that I refuse to waste my time using such a badly written bit of software and they can do the bloody indentations themselves. Youd think after a million versions MS would have fixed it. Oh no. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ocmanagemen t |
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Word Hater,
There are several things you could try. * Several settings in Word Options could be changed such as pasting options (I use "Match destination formatting") under the Advanced tab. *Adjust settings using the Settings button in the Cut, copy, and paste section (in the Advanced tab). Try unchecking the "Smart style behavior" checkbox. * When you want to continue a numbering scheme there must be a hard return after the previous line. Try going to the end of the last correctly numbered line, delete everything up to the next line and then hit Return. * If you want to change how numbers or bullets are formatted versus using the default in Word, you'll need to define a new bullet or numbering scheme for that document. * Try working in Outline view and adjust the indents that way. I hope that helps but you might find that taking a class would save so much time and headache. Quote:
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I have been writing documents for 15 years. I used to use QuarkXPress, and had virtually unlimited control over my documents. In 2002, I was forced to learn word. Since then, it feels like few years I come up against this very same problem in Word: multi-level lists and styles (whatever you want to call it) simply do not work, well, at all. I've done the research, read Shauna Kelley's blog, and others, for like the 3rd time, at the 3rd company. I created styles based on no styles. I defined a custom multi-level list. Then I went to modify the font, or whatever, in one of my styles, and poof! I've wasted the better part of a day going back and forth between my heading style and my multi-level list style. Every time I go back into my custom heading one style, it's indent has been magically changed from (no style) to hanging .75"s Likewise, if I touch the heading style, then look at my multi-level list style, all of the lists have been magically disconnected from the heading styles I've painstakingly connected them to. What is frustrating is to be somewhat of a (non-MVP) expert, do the research, be careful, and conscientious, and still have these problems. And when I research these problems, it appears they've existed since before 2007. How hard can this be for word to get right? All I want to do is create a requirements document with 1 to 1.1.1.1.etc numbering, and control precisely how the text lines up. I use non-numbered text (separate style) below my numbered text, and I like to left align these as well. |
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