[Chris]

I'm putting tables inside of newspaper columns. My first table doesn't
necessarily fill the first column, but I want the second table to be at the
top of the second column. When I use a column break after the first table, I
cannot find any way to get the second table to line up at the top of the
second column. There is always a line above the table, and any attempt to
delete that line simply deletes the column break. How can I put a table at
the top of the second column?

[Doug Robbins - Word MVP]

I think that the best that you can do is to select the paragraph mark (¶)
that is at the top of the column and then use format paragraph to remove any
space before or after the paragraph and set the line spacing to Exactly 1pt
(the minimum). You probably won't be able to tell that the table is 1pt
lower.

Another way however would be to press enter at the top of the first column
to push the text in that column down.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Chris" wrote in message
...
I'm putting tables inside of newspaper columns. My first table doesn't
necessarily fill the first column, but I want the second table to be at
the
top of the second column. When I use a column break after the first table,
I
cannot find any way to get the second table to line up at the top of the
second column. There is always a line above the table, and any attempt to
delete that line simply deletes the column break. How can I put a table at
the top of the second column?

[Tony Jollans]

You could also format the paragraph mark at the top of the second column as
hidden text.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
I think that the best that you can do is to select the paragraph mark (¶)
that is at the top of the column and then use format paragraph to remove
any space before or after the paragraph and set the line spacing to Exactly
1pt (the minimum). You probably won't be able to tell that the table is
1pt lower.

Another way however would be to press enter at the top of the first column
to push the text in that column down.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Chris" wrote in message
...
I'm putting tables inside of newspaper columns. My first table doesn't
necessarily fill the first column, but I want the second table to be at
the
top of the second column. When I use a column break after the first
table, I
cannot find any way to get the second table to line up at the top of the
second column. There is always a line above the table, and any attempt to
delete that line simply deletes the column break. How can I put a table
at
the top of the second column?

[Doug Robbins - Word MVP]

Hi Tony,

That does not seem to achieve the desired result in Word 2007 at least.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com wrote in message
...
You could also format the paragraph mark at the top of the second column
as hidden text.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
I think that the best that you can do is to select the paragraph mark (¶)
that is at the top of the column and then use format paragraph to remove
any space before or after the paragraph and set the line spacing to
Exactly 1pt (the minimum). You probably won't be able to tell that the
table is 1pt lower.

Another way however would be to press enter at the top of the first
column to push the text in that column down.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Chris" wrote in message
...
I'm putting tables inside of newspaper columns. My first table doesn't
necessarily fill the first column, but I want the second table to be at
the
top of the second column. When I use a column break after the first
table, I
cannot find any way to get the second table to line up at the top of the
second column. There is always a line above the table, and any attempt
to
delete that line simply deletes the column break. How can I put a table
at
the top of the second column?

[Stefan Blom]

It certainly works here. Perhaps you forgot to clear the option to print
hidden text?

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Tony,

That does not seem to achieve the desired result in Word 2007 at least.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com wrote in message
...
You could also format the paragraph mark at the top of the second column
as hidden text.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
I think that the best that you can do is to select the paragraph mark (¶)
that is at the top of the column and then use format paragraph to remove
any space before or after the paragraph and set the line spacing to
Exactly 1pt (the minimum). You probably won't be able to tell that the
table is 1pt lower.

Another way however would be to press enter at the top of the first
column to push the text in that column down.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Chris" wrote in message
...
I'm putting tables inside of newspaper columns. My first table doesn't
necessarily fill the first column, but I want the second table to be at
the
top of the second column. When I use a column break after the first
table, I
cannot find any way to get the second table to line up at the top of
the
second column. There is always a line above the table, and any attempt
to
delete that line simply deletes the column break. How can I put a table
at
the top of the second column?

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Use the same techniques described in
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFm...ksInTables.htm. In this
case, format the entire table (every row) as "Keep with next." It will be
forced into the next column without requiring a column break.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Chris" wrote in message
...
I'm putting tables inside of newspaper columns. My first table doesn't
necessarily fill the first column, but I want the second table to be at
the
top of the second column. When I use a column break after the first table,
I
cannot find any way to get the second table to line up at the top of the
second column. There is always a line above the table, and any attempt to
delete that line simply deletes the column break. How can I put a table at
the top of the second column?

[Chris]

Thanks! Using "Keep with next" works perfectly.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Use the same techniques described in
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFm...ksInTables.htm. In this
case, format the entire table (every row) as "Keep with next." It will be
forced into the next column without requiring a column break.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Chris" wrote in message
...
I'm putting tables inside of newspaper columns. My first table doesn't
necessarily fill the first column, but I want the second table to be at
the
top of the second column. When I use a column break after the first table,
I
cannot find any way to get the second table to line up at the top of the
second column. There is always a line above the table, and any attempt to
delete that line simply deletes the column break. How can I put a table at
the top of the second column?

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Glad I could help.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Chris" wrote in message
...
Thanks! Using "Keep with next" works perfectly.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Use the same techniques described in
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFm...ksInTables.htm. In this
case, format the entire table (every row) as "Keep with next." It will be
forced into the next column without requiring a column break.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Chris" wrote in message
...
I'm putting tables inside of newspaper columns. My first table doesn't
necessarily fill the first column, but I want the second table to be at
the
top of the second column. When I use a column break after the first
table,
I
cannot find any way to get the second table to line up at the top of
the
second column. There is always a line above the table, and any attempt
to
delete that line simply deletes the column break. How can I put a table
at
the top of the second column?

[Doug Robbins - Word MVP]

Right you are. I could have sworn that in earlier versions the ¶ button hid
the display of hidden text as well.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
It certainly works here. Perhaps you forgot to clear the option to print
hidden text?

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Tony,

That does not seem to achieve the desired result in Word 2007 at least.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com wrote in message
...
You could also format the paragraph mark at the top of the second column
as hidden text.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
I think that the best that you can do is to select the paragraph mark
(¶)
that is at the top of the column and then use format paragraph to remove
any space before or after the paragraph and set the line spacing to
Exactly 1pt (the minimum). You probably won't be able to tell that the
table is 1pt lower.

Another way however would be to press enter at the top of the first
column to push the text in that column down.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Chris" wrote in message
...
I'm putting tables inside of newspaper columns. My first table doesn't
necessarily fill the first column, but I want the second table to be
at
the
top of the second column. When I use a column break after the first
table, I
cannot find any way to get the second table to line up at the top of
the
second column. There is always a line above the table, and any attempt
to
delete that line simply deletes the column break. How can I put a
table
at
the top of the second column?

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

The Show/Hide ¶ button does hide Hidden text unless "Hidden text" is
explicitly checked in the View Options. But Stefan was referring to the
separate setting under Print Options, which is less likely to be checked
(and of course would affect only printing, not display).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Right you are. I could have sworn that in earlier versions the ¶ button
hid the display of hidden text as well.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
It certainly works here. Perhaps you forgot to clear the option to print
hidden text?

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Tony,

That does not seem to achieve the desired result in Word 2007 at least.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com wrote in message
...
You could also format the paragraph mark at the top of the second
column
as hidden text.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
I think that the best that you can do is to select the paragraph mark
(¶)
that is at the top of the column and then use format paragraph to
remove
any space before or after the paragraph and set the line spacing to
Exactly 1pt (the minimum). You probably won't be able to tell that the
table is 1pt lower.

Another way however would be to press enter at the top of the first
column to push the text in that column down.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Chris" wrote in message
...
I'm putting tables inside of newspaper columns. My first table
doesn't
necessarily fill the first column, but I want the second table to be
at
the
top of the second column. When I use a column break after the first
table, I
cannot find any way to get the second table to line up at the top of
the
second column. There is always a line above the table, and any
attempt
to
delete that line simply deletes the column break. How can I put a
table
at
the top of the second column?

[Doug Robbins - Word MVP]

Hi Suzanne,

But, it does not hide hidden text if it is set to be displayed under Pizza
ButtonWord OptionsDisplay. Of course that dialog does say "Always show
these formatting marks on the screen" and if the ¶ is checked there, the ¶
in the Paragraph chunk of the Home tab of the Ribbon does not toggle the end
of paragraph marks on and off.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
The Show/Hide ¶ button does hide Hidden text unless "Hidden text" is
explicitly checked in the View Options. But Stefan was referring to the
separate setting under Print Options, which is less likely to be checked
(and of course would affect only printing, not display).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Right you are. I could have sworn that in earlier versions the ¶ button
hid the display of hidden text as well.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
It certainly works here. Perhaps you forgot to clear the option to print
hidden text?

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Tony,

That does not seem to achieve the desired result in Word 2007 at least.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com wrote in message
...
You could also format the paragraph mark at the top of the second
column
as hidden text.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
I think that the best that you can do is to select the paragraph mark
(¶)
that is at the top of the column and then use format paragraph to
remove
any space before or after the paragraph and set the line spacing to
Exactly 1pt (the minimum). You probably won't be able to tell that
the
table is 1pt lower.

Another way however would be to press enter at the top of the first
column to push the text in that column down.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Chris" wrote in message
...
I'm putting tables inside of newspaper columns. My first table
doesn't
necessarily fill the first column, but I want the second table to be
at
the
top of the second column. When I use a column break after the first
table, I
cannot find any way to get the second table to line up at the top of
the
second column. There is always a line above the table, and any
attempt
to
delete that line simply deletes the column break. How can I put a
table
at
the top of the second column?

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

That is exactly what I said:

The Show/Hide ¶ button does hide Hidden text unless "Hidden text" is
explicitly checked in the View Options.

The Options setting you describe in Word 2007 is equivalent to the one in
Tools | Options | View in previous versions.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Suzanne,

But, it does not hide hidden text if it is set to be displayed under Pizza
ButtonWord OptionsDisplay. Of course that dialog does say "Always show
these formatting marks on the screen" and if the ¶ is checked there, the ¶
in the Paragraph chunk of the Home tab of the Ribbon does not toggle the
end of paragraph marks on and off.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
The Show/Hide ¶ button does hide Hidden text unless "Hidden text" is
explicitly checked in the View Options. But Stefan was referring to the
separate setting under Print Options, which is less likely to be checked
(and of course would affect only printing, not display).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Right you are. I could have sworn that in earlier versions the ¶ button
hid the display of hidden text as well.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
It certainly works here. Perhaps you forgot to clear the option to
print hidden text?

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Tony,

That does not seem to achieve the desired result in Word 2007 at
least.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com wrote in message
...
You could also format the paragraph mark at the top of the second
column
as hidden text.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
I think that the best that you can do is to select the paragraph mark
(¶)
that is at the top of the column and then use format paragraph to
remove
any space before or after the paragraph and set the line spacing to
Exactly 1pt (the minimum). You probably won't be able to tell that
the
table is 1pt lower.

Another way however would be to press enter at the top of the first
column to push the text in that column down.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of
my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Chris" wrote in message
...
I'm putting tables inside of newspaper columns. My first table
doesn't
necessarily fill the first column, but I want the second table to
be at
the
top of the second column. When I use a column break after the first
table, I
cannot find any way to get the second table to line up at the top
of
the
second column. There is always a line above the table, and any
attempt
to
delete that line simply deletes the column break. How can I put a
table
at
the top of the second column?

[Doug Robbins - Word MVP]

I know that is what you said. The point of my message was that the ¶ button
has become a bit redundant as it has no effect if the display of the ¶ is
turned on in Word Options.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
That is exactly what I said:

The Show/Hide ¶ button does hide Hidden text unless "Hidden text" is
explicitly checked in the View Options.

The Options setting you describe in Word 2007 is equivalent to the one in
Tools | Options | View in previous versions.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Suzanne,

But, it does not hide hidden text if it is set to be displayed under
Pizza ButtonWord OptionsDisplay. Of course that dialog does say
"Always show these formatting marks on the screen" and if the ¶ is
checked there, the ¶ in the Paragraph chunk of the Home tab of the Ribbon
does not toggle the end of paragraph marks on and off.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
The Show/Hide ¶ button does hide Hidden text unless "Hidden text" is
explicitly checked in the View Options. But Stefan was referring to the
separate setting under Print Options, which is less likely to be checked
(and of course would affect only printing, not display).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Right you are. I could have sworn that in earlier versions the ¶
button hid the display of hidden text as well.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
It certainly works here. Perhaps you forgot to clear the option to
print hidden text?

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Tony,

That does not seem to achieve the desired result in Word 2007 at
least.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com wrote in message
...
You could also format the paragraph mark at the top of the second
column
as hidden text.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
I think that the best that you can do is to select the paragraph
mark (¶)
that is at the top of the column and then use format paragraph to
remove
any space before or after the paragraph and set the line spacing to
Exactly 1pt (the minimum). You probably won't be able to tell that
the
table is 1pt lower.

Another way however would be to press enter at the top of the first
column to push the text in that column down.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of
my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Chris" wrote in message
...
I'm putting tables inside of newspaper columns. My first table
doesn't
necessarily fill the first column, but I want the second table to
be at
the
top of the second column. When I use a column break after the
first
table, I
cannot find any way to get the second table to line up at the top
of
the
second column. There is always a line above the table, and any
attempt
to
delete that line simply deletes the column break. How can I put a
table
at
the top of the second column?

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

But that has always been true, just not well understood.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
I know that is what you said. The point of my message was that the ¶
button has become a bit redundant as it has no effect if the display of the
¶ is turned on in Word Options.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
That is exactly what I said:

The Show/Hide ¶ button does hide Hidden text unless "Hidden text" is
explicitly checked in the View Options.

The Options setting you describe in Word 2007 is equivalent to the one in
Tools | Options | View in previous versions.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Suzanne,

But, it does not hide hidden text if it is set to be displayed under
Pizza ButtonWord OptionsDisplay. Of course that dialog does say
"Always show these formatting marks on the screen" and if the ¶ is
checked there, the ¶ in the Paragraph chunk of the Home tab of the
Ribbon does not toggle the end of paragraph marks on and off.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
The Show/Hide ¶ button does hide Hidden text unless "Hidden text" is
explicitly checked in the View Options. But Stefan was referring to the
separate setting under Print Options, which is less likely to be
checked (and of course would affect only printing, not display).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Right you are. I could have sworn that in earlier versions the ¶
button hid the display of hidden text as well.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
It certainly works here. Perhaps you forgot to clear the option to
print hidden text?

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Tony,

That does not seem to achieve the desired result in Word 2007 at
least.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of
my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com wrote in message
...
You could also format the paragraph mark at the top of the second
column
as hidden text.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
I think that the best that you can do is to select the paragraph
mark (¶)
that is at the top of the column and then use format paragraph to
remove
any space before or after the paragraph and set the line spacing to
Exactly 1pt (the minimum). You probably won't be able to tell that
the
table is 1pt lower.

Another way however would be to press enter at the top of the
first
column to push the text in that column down.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of
my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Chris" wrote in message
...
I'm putting tables inside of newspaper columns. My first table
doesn't
necessarily fill the first column, but I want the second table to
be at
the
top of the second column. When I use a column break after the
first
table, I
cannot find any way to get the second table to line up at the top
of
the
second column. There is always a line above the table, and any
attempt
to
delete that line simply deletes the column break. How can I put a
table
at
the top of the second column?

[Stefan Blom]

Indeed, the ¶ button (or the Ctrl+Shift+8 shortcut) toggles the display only
of the items not explicitly checked in the options dialog box.

I wonder if Word 2007 actually adds to the confusion, since the Options
dialog box no longer separates print and display options (for example, the
options to print and display hidden text are both in the Popular category of
the dialog)...

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
But that has always been true, just not well understood.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
I know that is what you said. The point of my message was that the ¶
button has become a bit redundant as it has no effect if the display of
the ¶ is turned on in Word Options.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
That is exactly what I said:

The Show/Hide ¶ button does hide Hidden text unless "Hidden text" is
explicitly checked in the View Options.

The Options setting you describe in Word 2007 is equivalent to the one
in Tools | Options | View in previous versions.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Suzanne,

But, it does not hide hidden text if it is set to be displayed under
Pizza ButtonWord OptionsDisplay. Of course that dialog does say
"Always show these formatting marks on the screen" and if the ¶ is
checked there, the ¶ in the Paragraph chunk of the Home tab of the
Ribbon does not toggle the end of paragraph marks on and off.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
The Show/Hide ¶ button does hide Hidden text unless "Hidden text" is
explicitly checked in the View Options. But Stefan was referring to
the separate setting under Print Options, which is less likely to be
checked (and of course would affect only printing, not display).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Right you are. I could have sworn that in earlier versions the ¶
button hid the display of hidden text as well.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
It certainly works here. Perhaps you forgot to clear the option to
print hidden text?

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Tony,

That does not seem to achieve the desired result in Word 2007 at
least.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of
my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com wrote in message
...
You could also format the paragraph mark at the top of the second
column
as hidden text.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in
message
...
I think that the best that you can do is to select the paragraph
mark (¶)
that is at the top of the column and then use format paragraph to
remove
any space before or after the paragraph and set the line spacing
to
Exactly 1pt (the minimum). You probably won't be able to tell
that the
table is 1pt lower.

Another way however would be to press enter at the top of the
first
column to push the text in that column down.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself
of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Chris" wrote in message
...
I'm putting tables inside of newspaper columns. My first table
doesn't
necessarily fill the first column, but I want the second table
to be at
the
top of the second column. When I use a column break after the
first
table, I
cannot find any way to get the second table to line up at the
top of
the
second column. There is always a line above the table, and any
attempt
to
delete that line simply deletes the column break. How can I put
a table
at
the top of the second column?

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

If people pay any attention to the headings, then the "Printing options" are
pretty clearly separated from "Always show these formatting marks on screen"
(and they're in Display rather than Popular, though "Display" might be
misleading).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
Indeed, the ¶ button (or the Ctrl+Shift+8 shortcut) toggles the display
only
of the items not explicitly checked in the options dialog box.

I wonder if Word 2007 actually adds to the confusion, since the Options
dialog box no longer separates print and display options (for example, the
options to print and display hidden text are both in the Popular category
of the dialog)...

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
But that has always been true, just not well understood.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
I know that is what you said. The point of my message was that the ¶
button has become a bit redundant as it has no effect if the display of
the ¶ is turned on in Word Options.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
That is exactly what I said:

The Show/Hide ¶ button does hide Hidden text unless "Hidden text" is
explicitly checked in the View Options.

The Options setting you describe in Word 2007 is equivalent to the one
in Tools | Options | View in previous versions.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Suzanne,

But, it does not hide hidden text if it is set to be displayed under
Pizza ButtonWord OptionsDisplay. Of course that dialog does say
"Always show these formatting marks on the screen" and if the ¶ is
checked there, the ¶ in the Paragraph chunk of the Home tab of the
Ribbon does not toggle the end of paragraph marks on and off.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
The Show/Hide ¶ button does hide Hidden text unless "Hidden text" is
explicitly checked in the View Options. But Stefan was referring to
the separate setting under Print Options, which is less likely to be
checked (and of course would affect only printing, not display).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Right you are. I could have sworn that in earlier versions the ¶
button hid the display of hidden text as well.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of
my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
It certainly works here. Perhaps you forgot to clear the option to
print hidden text?

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Tony,

That does not seem to achieve the desired result in Word 2007 at
least.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of
my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com wrote in
message
...
You could also format the paragraph mark at the top of the second
column
as hidden text.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in
message
...
I think that the best that you can do is to select the paragraph
mark (¶)
that is at the top of the column and then use format paragraph to
remove
any space before or after the paragraph and set the line spacing
to
Exactly 1pt (the minimum). You probably won't be able to tell
that the
table is 1pt lower.

Another way however would be to press enter at the top of the
first
column to push the text in that column down.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself
of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Chris" wrote in message
...
I'm putting tables inside of newspaper columns. My first table
doesn't
necessarily fill the first column, but I want the second table
to be at
the
top of the second column. When I use a column break after the
first
table, I
cannot find any way to get the second table to line up at the
top of
the
second column. There is always a line above the table, and any
attempt
to
delete that line simply deletes the column break. How can I put
a table
at
the top of the second column?

[Stefan Blom]

Clearly, I contributed to any confusion, by writing the wrong name for the
category. :-(

But my point was that the name of the category is not very helpful (in this
particular case, at least).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
If people pay any attention to the headings, then the "Printing options"
are pretty clearly separated from "Always show these formatting marks on
screen" (and they're in Display rather than Popular, though "Display"
might be misleading).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
Indeed, the ¶ button (or the Ctrl+Shift+8 shortcut) toggles the display
only
of the items not explicitly checked in the options dialog box.

I wonder if Word 2007 actually adds to the confusion, since the Options
dialog box no longer separates print and display options (for example,
the options to print and display hidden text are both in the Popular
category of the dialog)...

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
But that has always been true, just not well understood.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
I know that is what you said. The point of my message was that the ¶
button has become a bit redundant as it has no effect if the display of
the ¶ is turned on in Word Options.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
That is exactly what I said:

The Show/Hide ¶ button does hide Hidden text unless "Hidden text" is
explicitly checked in the View Options.

The Options setting you describe in Word 2007 is equivalent to the one
in Tools | Options | View in previous versions.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Suzanne,

But, it does not hide hidden text if it is set to be displayed under
Pizza ButtonWord OptionsDisplay. Of course that dialog does say
"Always show these formatting marks on the screen" and if the ¶ is
checked there, the ¶ in the Paragraph chunk of the Home tab of the
Ribbon does not toggle the end of paragraph marks on and off.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
The Show/Hide ¶ button does hide Hidden text unless "Hidden text" is
explicitly checked in the View Options. But Stefan was referring to
the separate setting under Print Options, which is less likely to be
checked (and of course would affect only printing, not display).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Right you are. I could have sworn that in earlier versions the ¶
button hid the display of hidden text as well.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of
my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
It certainly works here. Perhaps you forgot to clear the option to
print hidden text?

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Tony,

That does not seem to achieve the desired result in Word 2007 at
least.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself
of
my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com wrote in
message
...
You could also format the paragraph mark at the top of the
second
column
as hidden text.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in
message
...
I think that the best that you can do is to select the paragraph
mark (¶)
that is at the top of the column and then use format paragraph
to
remove
any space before or after the paragraph and set the line spacing
to
Exactly 1pt (the minimum). You probably won't be able to tell
that the
table is 1pt lower.

Another way however would be to press enter at the top of the
first
column to push the text in that column down.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself
of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Chris" wrote in message
...
I'm putting tables inside of newspaper columns. My first table
doesn't
necessarily fill the first column, but I want the second table
to be at
the
top of the second column. When I use a column break after the
first
table, I
cannot find any way to get the second table to line up at the
top of
the
second column. There is always a line above the table, and any
attempt
to
delete that line simply deletes the column break. How can I
put
a table
at
the top of the second column?

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

I agree about that. They could at least have called it Display/Print, but
there are so few Print Options there that I assume the rest are somewhere
else (haven't explored it thoroughly, as so far I'm just looking for the
things I need immediately).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
Clearly, I contributed to any confusion, by writing the wrong name for the
category. :-(

But my point was that the name of the category is not very helpful (in
this particular case, at least).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
If people pay any attention to the headings, then the "Printing options"
are pretty clearly separated from "Always show these formatting marks on
screen" (and they're in Display rather than Popular, though "Display"
might be misleading).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
Indeed, the ¶ button (or the Ctrl+Shift+8 shortcut) toggles the display
only
of the items not explicitly checked in the options dialog box.

I wonder if Word 2007 actually adds to the confusion, since the Options
dialog box no longer separates print and display options (for example,
the options to print and display hidden text are both in the Popular
category of the dialog)...

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
But that has always been true, just not well understood.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
I know that is what you said. The point of my message was that the ¶
button has become a bit redundant as it has no effect if the display of
the ¶ is turned on in Word Options.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
That is exactly what I said:

The Show/Hide ¶ button does hide Hidden text unless "Hidden text"
is
explicitly checked in the View Options.

The Options setting you describe in Word 2007 is equivalent to the
one
in Tools | Options | View in previous versions.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Suzanne,

But, it does not hide hidden text if it is set to be displayed under
Pizza ButtonWord OptionsDisplay. Of course that dialog does say
"Always show these formatting marks on the screen" and if the ¶ is
checked there, the ¶ in the Paragraph chunk of the Home tab of the
Ribbon does not toggle the end of paragraph marks on and off.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of
my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
The Show/Hide ¶ button does hide Hidden text unless "Hidden text"
is
explicitly checked in the View Options. But Stefan was referring to
the separate setting under Print Options, which is less likely to
be
checked (and of course would affect only printing, not display).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Right you are. I could have sworn that in earlier versions the ¶
button hid the display of hidden text as well.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of
my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
It certainly works here. Perhaps you forgot to clear the option
to
print hidden text?

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Tony,

That does not seem to achieve the desired result in Word 2007 at
least.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself
of
my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com wrote in
message
...
You could also format the paragraph mark at the top of the
second
column
as hidden text.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in
message
...
I think that the best that you can do is to select the
paragraph
mark (¶)
that is at the top of the column and then use format paragraph
to
remove
any space before or after the paragraph and set the line
spacing
to
Exactly 1pt (the minimum). You probably won't be able to tell
that the
table is 1pt lower.

Another way however would be to press enter at the top of the
first
column to push the text in that column down.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail
yourself
of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Chris" wrote in message
...
I'm putting tables inside of newspaper columns. My first
table
doesn't
necessarily fill the first column, but I want the second
table
to be at
the
top of the second column. When I use a column break after the
first
table, I
cannot find any way to get the second table to line up at the
top of
the
second column. There is always a line above the table, and
any
attempt
to
delete that line simply deletes the column break. How can I
put
a table
at
the top of the second column?

[Stefan Blom]

More print options are found in the Advanced category. But, then again,
there are also more display options there...

I'd say that the Advanced category contains far too many options, most of
which are really no more "advanced" than, say, the options in the Display
category.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
I agree about that. They could at least have called it Display/Print, but
there are so few Print Options there that I assume the rest are somewhere
else (haven't explored it thoroughly, as so far I'm just looking for the
things I need immediately).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
Clearly, I contributed to any confusion, by writing the wrong name for
the category. :-(

But my point was that the name of the category is not very helpful (in
this particular case, at least).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
If people pay any attention to the headings, then the "Printing options"
are pretty clearly separated from "Always show these formatting marks on
screen" (and they're in Display rather than Popular, though "Display"
might be misleading).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
Indeed, the ¶ button (or the Ctrl+Shift+8 shortcut) toggles the display
only
of the items not explicitly checked in the options dialog box.

I wonder if Word 2007 actually adds to the confusion, since the Options
dialog box no longer separates print and display options (for example,
the options to print and display hidden text are both in the Popular
category of the dialog)...

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
But that has always been true, just not well understood.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
I know that is what you said. The point of my message was that the ¶
button has become a bit redundant as it has no effect if the display
of
the ¶ is turned on in Word Options.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
That is exactly what I said:

The Show/Hide ¶ button does hide Hidden text unless "Hidden text"
is
explicitly checked in the View Options.

The Options setting you describe in Word 2007 is equivalent to the
one
in Tools | Options | View in previous versions.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Suzanne,

But, it does not hide hidden text if it is set to be displayed
under
Pizza ButtonWord OptionsDisplay. Of course that dialog does say
"Always show these formatting marks on the screen" and if the ¶ is
checked there, the ¶ in the Paragraph chunk of the Home tab of the
Ribbon does not toggle the end of paragraph marks on and off.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of
my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
The Show/Hide ¶ button does hide Hidden text unless "Hidden text"
is
explicitly checked in the View Options. But Stefan was referring
to
the separate setting under Print Options, which is less likely to
be
checked (and of course would affect only printing, not display).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in
message
...
Right you are. I could have sworn that in earlier versions the ¶
button hid the display of hidden text as well.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself
of
my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
It certainly works here. Perhaps you forgot to clear the option
to
print hidden text?

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Tony,

That does not seem to achieve the desired result in Word 2007
at
least.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself
of
my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com wrote in
message
...
You could also format the paragraph mark at the top of the
second
column
as hidden text.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in
message
...
I think that the best that you can do is to select the
paragraph
mark (¶)
that is at the top of the column and then use format paragraph
to
remove
any space before or after the paragraph and set the line
spacing
to
Exactly 1pt (the minimum). You probably won't be able to tell
that the
table is 1pt lower.

Another way however would be to press enter at the top of the
first
column to push the text in that column down.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail
yourself
of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Chris" wrote in message
...
I'm putting tables inside of newspaper columns. My first
table
doesn't
necessarily fill the first column, but I want the second
table
to be at
the
top of the second column. When I use a column break after
the
first
table, I
cannot find any way to get the second table to line up at
the
top of
the
second column. There is always a line above the table, and
any
attempt
to
delete that line simply deletes the column break. How can I
put
a table
at
the top of the second column?

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Somewhere in these NGs, a user yesterday expressed surprise that a given
option would be considered "Advanced." I think most of us feel that way
about many of the options we regard as basic.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
More print options are found in the Advanced category. But, then again,
there are also more display options there...

I'd say that the Advanced category contains far too many options, most of
which are really no more "advanced" than, say, the options in the Display
category.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
I agree about that. They could at least have called it Display/Print, but
there are so few Print Options there that I assume the rest are somewhere
else (haven't explored it thoroughly, as so far I'm just looking for the
things I need immediately).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
Clearly, I contributed to any confusion, by writing the wrong name for
the category. :-(

But my point was that the name of the category is not very helpful (in
this particular case, at least).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
If people pay any attention to the headings, then the "Printing
options"
are pretty clearly separated from "Always show these formatting marks
on
screen" (and they're in Display rather than Popular, though "Display"
might be misleading).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
Indeed, the ¶ button (or the Ctrl+Shift+8 shortcut) toggles the
display
only
of the items not explicitly checked in the options dialog box.

I wonder if Word 2007 actually adds to the confusion, since the
Options
dialog box no longer separates print and display options (for example,
the options to print and display hidden text are both in the Popular
category of the dialog)...

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
But that has always been true, just not well understood.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
I know that is what you said. The point of my message was that the ¶
button has become a bit redundant as it has no effect if the display
of
the ¶ is turned on in Word Options.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of
my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
That is exactly what I said:

The Show/Hide ¶ button does hide Hidden text unless "Hidden text"
is
explicitly checked in the View Options.

The Options setting you describe in Word 2007 is equivalent to the
one
in Tools | Options | View in previous versions.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Suzanne,

But, it does not hide hidden text if it is set to be displayed
under
Pizza ButtonWord OptionsDisplay. Of course that dialog does say
"Always show these formatting marks on the screen" and if the ¶ is
checked there, the ¶ in the Paragraph chunk of the Home tab of the
Ribbon does not toggle the end of paragraph marks on and off.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of
my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
The Show/Hide ¶ button does hide Hidden text unless "Hidden text"
is
explicitly checked in the View Options. But Stefan was referring
to
the separate setting under Print Options, which is less likely to
be
checked (and of course would affect only printing, not display).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in
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Right you are. I could have sworn that in earlier versions the
¶
button hid the display of hidden text as well.

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"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
It certainly works here. Perhaps you forgot to clear the option
to
print hidden text?

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"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
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Hi Tony,

That does not seem to achieve the desired result in Word 2007
at
least.

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"Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com wrote in
message
...
You could also format the paragraph mark at the top of the
second
column
as hidden text.

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"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in
message
...
I think that the best that you can do is to select the
paragraph
mark (¶)
that is at the top of the column and then use format
paragraph
to
remove
any space before or after the paragraph and set the line
spacing
to
Exactly 1pt (the minimum). You probably won't be able to
tell
that the
table is 1pt lower.

Another way however would be to press enter at the top of
the
first
column to push the text in that column down.

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"Chris" wrote in message
...
I'm putting tables inside of newspaper columns. My first
table
doesn't
necessarily fill the first column, but I want the second
table
to be at
the
top of the second column. When I use a column break after
the
first
table, I
cannot find any way to get the second table to line up at
the
top of
the
second column. There is always a line above the table, and
any
attempt
to
delete that line simply deletes the column break. How can I
put
a table
at
the top of the second column?

[Stefan Blom]

Indeed, from that perspective, the tabs in the old Options dialog box were
more descriptive. But perhaps many people felt that the number of tabs was
too large in Word 97-2003...

Perhaps the easiest solution would be to just avoid using the word
"advanced"!

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Microsoft Word MVP


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Somewhere in these NGs, a user yesterday expressed surprise that a given
option would be considered "Advanced." I think most of us feel that way
about many of the options we regard as basic.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
More print options are found in the Advanced category. But, then again,
there are also more display options there...

I'd say that the Advanced category contains far too many options, most of
which are really no more "advanced" than, say, the options in the Display
category.

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Microsoft Word MVP


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
I agree about that. They could at least have called it Display/Print, but
there are so few Print Options there that I assume the rest are somewhere
else (haven't explored it thoroughly, as so far I'm just looking for the
things I need immediately).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
Clearly, I contributed to any confusion, by writing the wrong name for
the category. :-(

But my point was that the name of the category is not very helpful (in
this particular case, at least).

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Microsoft Word MVP


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
If people pay any attention to the headings, then the "Printing
options"
are pretty clearly separated from "Always show these formatting marks
on
screen" (and they're in Display rather than Popular, though "Display"
might be misleading).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
Indeed, the ¶ button (or the Ctrl+Shift+8 shortcut) toggles the
display
only
of the items not explicitly checked in the options dialog box.

I wonder if Word 2007 actually adds to the confusion, since the
Options
dialog box no longer separates print and display options (for
example,
the options to print and display hidden text are both in the Popular
category of the dialog)...

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Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
But that has always been true, just not well understood.

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Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
I know that is what you said. The point of my message was that the
¶
button has become a bit redundant as it has no effect if the display
of
the ¶ is turned on in Word Options.

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"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
That is exactly what I said:

The Show/Hide ¶ button does hide Hidden text unless "Hidden
text"
is
explicitly checked in the View Options.

The Options setting you describe in Word 2007 is equivalent to the
one
in Tools | Options | View in previous versions.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in
message
...
Hi Suzanne,

But, it does not hide hidden text if it is set to be displayed
under
Pizza ButtonWord OptionsDisplay. Of course that dialog does
say
"Always show these formatting marks on the screen" and if the ¶
is
checked there, the ¶ in the Paragraph chunk of the Home tab of
the
Ribbon does not toggle the end of paragraph marks on and off.

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"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
The Show/Hide ¶ button does hide Hidden text unless "Hidden
text"
is
explicitly checked in the View Options. But Stefan was referring
to
the separate setting under Print Options, which is less likely
to
be
checked (and of course would affect only printing, not display).

--
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Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in
message
...
Right you are. I could have sworn that in earlier versions the
¶
button hid the display of hidden text as well.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself
of
my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
It certainly works here. Perhaps you forgot to clear the
option
to
print hidden text?

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Tony,

That does not seem to achieve the desired result in Word 2007
at
least.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail
yourself
of
my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com wrote in
message
...
You could also format the paragraph mark at the top of the
second
column
as hidden text.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in
message
...
I think that the best that you can do is to select the
paragraph
mark (¶)
that is at the top of the column and then use format
paragraph
to
remove
any space before or after the paragraph and set the line
spacing
to
Exactly 1pt (the minimum). You probably won't be able to
tell
that the
table is 1pt lower.

Another way however would be to press enter at the top of
the
first
column to push the text in that column down.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail
yourself
of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Chris" wrote in message
...
I'm putting tables inside of newspaper columns. My first
table
doesn't
necessarily fill the first column, but I want the second
table
to be at
the
top of the second column. When I use a column break after
the
first
table, I
cannot find any way to get the second table to line up at
the
top of
the
second column. There is always a line above the table, and
any
attempt
to
delete that line simply deletes the column break. How can
I
put
a table
at
the top of the second column?