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Default 3 different page number formats-How??!!

Seriously-WHY is it so difficult to use WORD. If I just have a letter,
label, etc. WORD is not a problem. However, I'm trying to put together a
research proposal. I have a cover page (NO page numbers), a letter of
transmittal (page numbers in small roman numerals) Tabel of contents, table
and figures (again with small roman numerals for page #'s) and the bulk of
the propsal (Arabic page numbers). All your instructions detail methods to
avoid page numbers on title pages but NOT how to address 3 different
numbering styles. In addition, in order to use formatted Table of Contents,
one must have entire document in single word document-impossible in documents
as described above). So, my Table of Contents is jabber-wocky!!~~!~Q!!~Are
you kidd ing me!!~?? No wonder the legal profession tries to hold onto Word
Perfect. Get your act together!!! Do you even respond to these obvious
emails from very frustrated users. I loved WordPerfect....I've PAID money to
receive training in Microsoft classes, plus attended a full semester at
community college (BCIS) which provided an entire semester of
computer/Microsoft Office training PLUS was in the Networking/System
Integration career ranks for eight years up until one year ago. So, if I can
become frustrated with your product, imagine what the normal user feels!!

I dare you to respond...I know you won't. Perhaps I should join the Linux
users, or purchase WordPerfect again-forget all about you.

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Default 3 different page number formats-How??!!

Seriously - any comprehensive computer software is difficult to use for some
things if you won't take the time to learn how it works.

See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...rontMatter.htm.

This response is not from Microsoft. It is from another user, since this is
a user forum. You won't get a response from Microsoft here. Specifically, it
is from someone who had the same rants you have when first trying to use
Word like Word Perfect. It didn't work.

Here is some general info on moving from Word Perfect to Word:

Word and Word Perfect work very differently from one another. Each program's
methods have strengths and weaknesses; but, if you try to use one of these
programs as if it were the other, it is like pushing on a string! You can
easily make a lot of extra work for yourself. In the (short) long term
(weeks rather than years) spending the time to learn Word will save you time
if you are spending any time at all (more than an hour a day) using Word.

See http://www.addbalance.com/word/wordperfect.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...ordPerfect.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...AndGotchas.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...Converters.htm
http://businesssoft.about.com/comput.../blconvert.htm
http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/conc...ion/index.html
for information on Word for Word Perfect users.

For mo
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart2.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart1.htm
http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/templates.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Number...gExplained.htm
http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...latesStore.htm


Function Keys

In Word 2000 (or later) You can get the function keys to display in a
special toolbar at the bottom of the screen if you want (something like
pressing F3 twice in WP). The following macro will do this.
Sub ShowMeFunctionKeys()
Commandbars("Function Key Display").Visible = True
End Sub

Word's Extend key (F8) gives something similar to block processing.


Formatting and Styles

Learn about Styles - really learn!
http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm I resisted for years and now
regret every day of those years because although that string was still very
hard to push, it kept getting longer and longer, and had some very important
projects tied to it! Once you understand styles and the Word concept of
organizing things into Chinese boxes everything falls into place and instead
of pushing a string, you can push a button that turns on the very powerful
text processing machine known as Microsoft Word and it will start doing your
work for you instead of running around behind you trying to undo what you
just thought you did.


Converting documents Word / Word Perfect

Some special characters in Word Perfect documents don't convert well to
Word. There is a macro to assist with this described at
http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/...html#macroword and can be found
at http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/WPSymbolConv.bas.
This was prepared by Edward Mendelson.
Otherwise, look at the macro from http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=212396
Use these on _copies_!

As for converting documents from Word Perfect to _use_ in Word... In a word,
don't plan on it. I would not recommend using converted documents long-term.
They will be filled with formatting anomolies that will get you at the worst
time. This is especially true of any documents containing automatic
numbering or bullets. Try recreating form documents in Word using the
following process:
In Word Perfect (if you still have it, in Word if not) save your files as
text files.
Use your converted files as references to show you how you want your
formatting to look.
Create a new document in Word and insert the text from the text file. Save
this new document as a Word template. Format it the way you want using
styles, not direct formatting. Save it again.
To use a template within Word, use File = New and pick your template. This
will create a new document for you.

Merge documents have special problems and should be recreated from text
files or retyped in Word. To convert data files, consider generating labels
in WP as a document, converting that to Word, and then using
http://www.gmayor.com/convert_labels...mail_merge.htm to get a new Word
data file.

Note that conversions usually do create documents that look passable and
print OK; the problems I'm referring to have to do with editing / making
changes, that is, using the documents long-term. (See below on reusing
documents vs. using templates.)

Conversion back to Word Perfect: There is a problem (in addition to the ones
mentioned for conversion _to_ Word) with Version 2002 (XP) and later of
Word. The conversion file only works for conversion _to_ Word, not from Word
to Word Perfect! Earlier versions went both ways. To fix this, you need to
find the old conversion file WPFT532.CNV from a Word 97 or Word 2000
installation and copy it to your new installation, replacing the file of the
same name. Note, the change making the file one-way was done as a security
measure. While I don't know of any problems the old file causes, keep the
new installation's file somewhere as a backup just in case.


Boilerplate and Forms

In WP a lot of people use macros to hold chunks of text - boilerplate. In
Word this function is filled by Templates, AutoText and AutoCorrect, not
macros. Follow the links at
http://addbalance.com/word/wordwebre...s.htm#AutoText for more
information on these tools.

You can use FILLIN and ASK fields or UserForms to query the user. For more
about online forms, follow the links at
http://addbalance.com/word/wordwebresources.htm#Forms or
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...nTheBlanks.htm especially Dian
Chapman's series of articles. You may also want to look at
http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFl...nesInForms.htm.


Reusing Documents vs. Using templates

General practice in WP is to have a document and copy and edit it to create
a new document. This is not good practice in Word. In Word, construct a
good, tight, template for your documents and use that template when
constructing new documents. Among other things, this can avoid embarrassing
"metadata" (http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/metadata.htm) and things
like surprise headers and footers from creeping into new documents.

It's a lot of reading, I know. It's OK to chunk it down and do a bit each
day, but I would recommend that you make it a top priority to do that bit
each day. In the (short) long run, it will save you both time and grief.

In the meantime, your fellow users here will try to tell you how to do what
you want. They are more likely to answer questions rather than rants,
though.
--

Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs which is awesome!

My criminal law site: http://addbalance.com
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"cpatton" wrote in message
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Seriously-WHY is it so difficult to use WORD. If I just have a letter,
label, etc. WORD is not a problem. However, I'm trying to put together a
research proposal. I have a cover page (NO page numbers), a letter of
transmittal (page numbers in small roman numerals) Tabel of contents,
table
and figures (again with small roman numerals for page #'s) and the bulk of
the propsal (Arabic page numbers). All your instructions detail methods
to
avoid page numbers on title pages but NOT how to address 3 different
numbering styles. In addition, in order to use formatted Table of
Contents,
one must have entire document in single word document-impossible in
documents
as described above). So, my Table of Contents is
jabber-wocky!!~~!~Q!!~Are
you kidd ing me!!~?? No wonder the legal profession tries to hold onto
Word
Perfect. Get your act together!!! Do you even respond to these obvious
emails from very frustrated users. I loved WordPerfect....I've PAID money
to
receive training in Microsoft classes, plus attended a full semester at
community college (BCIS) which provided an entire semester of
computer/Microsoft Office training PLUS was in the Networking/System
Integration career ranks for eight years up until one year ago. So, if I
can
become frustrated with your product, imagine what the normal user feels!!

I dare you to respond...I know you won't. Perhaps I should join the Linux
users, or purchase WordPerfect again-forget all about you.

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Default 3 different page number formats-How??!!

To find out about setting up a document with multiple page number
schemes, see
http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/Format...rontMatter.htm. To
summarize, each part of the document that has a different numbering
scheme must be separated with a section break. The Format Page Number
button opens a dialog where you can choose roman numerals or arabic
numerals.

To make a TOC from multiple separate documents, place RD fields in the
TOC document to create links to the other documents. The Help topic on
the RD field explains how to do this.

For future reference, no one from Microsoft reads these newsgroups on
any regular basis. We're all volunteers and peers, not Microsoft
employees.

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Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so all may benefit.

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:32:02 -0700, cpatton
wrote:

Seriously-WHY is it so difficult to use WORD. If I just have a letter,
label, etc. WORD is not a problem. However, I'm trying to put together a
research proposal. I have a cover page (NO page numbers), a letter of
transmittal (page numbers in small roman numerals) Tabel of contents, table
and figures (again with small roman numerals for page #'s) and the bulk of
the propsal (Arabic page numbers). All your instructions detail methods to
avoid page numbers on title pages but NOT how to address 3 different
numbering styles. In addition, in order to use formatted Table of Contents,
one must have entire document in single word document-impossible in documents
as described above). So, my Table of Contents is jabber-wocky!!~~!~Q!!~Are
you kidd ing me!!~?? No wonder the legal profession tries to hold onto Word
Perfect. Get your act together!!! Do you even respond to these obvious
emails from very frustrated users. I loved WordPerfect....I've PAID money to
receive training in Microsoft classes, plus attended a full semester at
community college (BCIS) which provided an entire semester of
computer/Microsoft Office training PLUS was in the Networking/System
Integration career ranks for eight years up until one year ago. So, if I can
become frustrated with your product, imagine what the normal user feels!!

I dare you to respond...I know you won't. Perhaps I should join the Linux
users, or purchase WordPerfect again-forget all about you.

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Default 3 different page number formats-How??!!

Thanks-Sorry, I was a little frustratrated when writing that message. I
didn't realize I was posting it to a user group. I will follow your link and
try to format my paper properly when I return this evening.

"Jay Freedman" wrote:

To find out about setting up a document with multiple page number
schemes, see
http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/Format...rontMatter.htm. To
summarize, each part of the document that has a different numbering
scheme must be separated with a section break. The Format Page Number
button opens a dialog where you can choose roman numerals or arabic
numerals.

To make a TOC from multiple separate documents, place RD fields in the
TOC document to create links to the other documents. The Help topic on
the RD field explains how to do this.

For future reference, no one from Microsoft reads these newsgroups on
any regular basis. We're all volunteers and peers, not Microsoft
employees.

--
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so all may benefit.

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:32:02 -0700, cpatton
wrote:

Seriously-WHY is it so difficult to use WORD. If I just have a letter,
label, etc. WORD is not a problem. However, I'm trying to put together a
research proposal. I have a cover page (NO page numbers), a letter of
transmittal (page numbers in small roman numerals) Tabel of contents, table
and figures (again with small roman numerals for page #'s) and the bulk of
the propsal (Arabic page numbers). All your instructions detail methods to
avoid page numbers on title pages but NOT how to address 3 different
numbering styles. In addition, in order to use formatted Table of Contents,
one must have entire document in single word document-impossible in documents
as described above). So, my Table of Contents is jabber-wocky!!~~!~Q!!~Are
you kidd ing me!!~?? No wonder the legal profession tries to hold onto Word
Perfect. Get your act together!!! Do you even respond to these obvious
emails from very frustrated users. I loved WordPerfect....I've PAID money to
receive training in Microsoft classes, plus attended a full semester at
community college (BCIS) which provided an entire semester of
computer/Microsoft Office training PLUS was in the Networking/System
Integration career ranks for eight years up until one year ago. So, if I can
become frustrated with your product, imagine what the normal user feels!!

I dare you to respond...I know you won't. Perhaps I should join the Linux
users, or purchase WordPerfect again-forget all about you.

----------------
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Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this
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