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Typing time designation
I'm probably old-fashioned, but I always type time in this format: 7:00 p.m.
More and more often I see 7:00pm or 7:00 PM and Word doesn't seem to mark any of these as grammatically incorrect. Is there a "right" way? |
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That depends on the style manual you are using. I use small caps for AM and
PM, no periods after the letters, space after the numbers. But that's just my preferred method. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] ~~~~~ How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375 "BK" wrote in message ... I'm probably old-fashioned, but I always type time in this format: 7:00 p.m. More and more often I see 7:00pm or 7:00 PM and Word doesn't seem to mark any of these as grammatically incorrect. Is there a "right" way? |
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Word will mark the former as incorrect if you clear the check box for
"Ignore words with numbers" on the Spelling & Grammar tab of Tools | Options. The conventional treatment of a.m. and p.m. is Small Caps with periods (you have to use lowercase in Word in order to apply the Small Caps format), and, like you, I am not crazy about seeing the abbreviations without periods and especially butted up against the numbers. In timetables advertising text or the like (that is, anything other than a formal book) I don't mind AM and PM (in timetables you often see just A and P or a and p, too, and that's practical to save space). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "BK" wrote in message ... I'm probably old-fashioned, but I always type time in this format: 7:00 p.m. More and more often I see 7:00pm or 7:00 PM and Word doesn't seem to mark any of these as grammatically incorrect. Is there a "right" way? |
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Well to be fastidiously correct, your usage is correct and everything else
'should' be wrong. However, languages evolve and conventions change so now either AM or am is widely acceptable. But they should be separate from the numbers, as Suzanne has mentioned. Definitely avoid 12 am or 12 pm as so many people don't know the origin of am/pm that they cannot work out which is noon and which is midnight. So whenever practicable, write noon or midnight. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP "BK" wrote in message ... I'm probably old-fashioned, but I always type time in this format: 7:00 p.m. More and more often I see 7:00pm or 7:00 PM and Word doesn't seem to mark any of these as grammatically incorrect. Is there a "right" way? |
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Or you can thoroughly confuse people by writing 12 M. for noon. g
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... Well to be fastidiously correct, your usage is correct and everything else 'should' be wrong. However, languages evolve and conventions change so now either AM or am is widely acceptable. But they should be separate from the numbers, as Suzanne has mentioned. Definitely avoid 12 am or 12 pm as so many people don't know the origin of am/pm that they cannot work out which is noon and which is midnight. So whenever practicable, write noon or midnight. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP "BK" wrote in message ... I'm probably old-fashioned, but I always type time in this format: 7:00 p.m. More and more often I see 7:00pm or 7:00 PM and Word doesn't seem to mark any of these as grammatically incorrect. Is there a "right" way? |
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In the US News & World Report style book, it says don't use 12 a.m. or 12 p.m.,
use midnight or noon. The proper way to write clock time is a.m. and p.m. -- Mary Sauer MSFT MVP http://office.microsoft.com/ http://msauer.mvps.org/ news://msnews.microsoft.com "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Or you can thoroughly confuse people by writing 12 M. for noon. g -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... Well to be fastidiously correct, your usage is correct and everything else 'should' be wrong. However, languages evolve and conventions change so now either AM or am is widely acceptable. But they should be separate from the numbers, as Suzanne has mentioned. Definitely avoid 12 am or 12 pm as so many people don't know the origin of am/pm that they cannot work out which is noon and which is midnight. So whenever practicable, write noon or midnight. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP "BK" wrote in message ... I'm probably old-fashioned, but I always type time in this format: 7:00 p.m. More and more often I see 7:00pm or 7:00 PM and Word doesn't seem to mark any of these as grammatically incorrect. Is there a "right" way? |
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Thanks for the information.
"Mary Sauer" wrote in message ... In the US News & World Report style book, it says don't use 12 a.m. or 12 p.m., use midnight or noon. The proper way to write clock time is a.m. and p.m. -- Mary Sauer MSFT MVP http://office.microsoft.com/ http://msauer.mvps.org/ news://msnews.microsoft.com "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Or you can thoroughly confuse people by writing 12 M. for noon. g -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... Well to be fastidiously correct, your usage is correct and everything else 'should' be wrong. However, languages evolve and conventions change so now either AM or am is widely acceptable. But they should be separate from the numbers, as Suzanne has mentioned. Definitely avoid 12 am or 12 pm as so many people don't know the origin of am/pm that they cannot work out which is noon and which is midnight. So whenever practicable, write noon or midnight. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP "BK" wrote in message ... I'm probably old-fashioned, but I always type time in this format: 7:00 p.m. More and more often I see 7:00pm or 7:00 PM and Word doesn't seem to mark any of these as grammatically incorrect. Is there a "right" way? |
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Thanks for the information.
"JoAnn Paules" wrote in message ... That depends on the style manual you are using. I use small caps for AM and PM, no periods after the letters, space after the numbers. But that's just my preferred method. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] ~~~~~ How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375 "BK" wrote in message ... I'm probably old-fashioned, but I always type time in this format: 7:00 p.m. More and more often I see 7:00pm or 7:00 PM and Word doesn't seem to mark any of these as grammatically incorrect. Is there a "right" way? |
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Thanks for the information.
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Word will mark the former as incorrect if you clear the check box for "Ignore words with numbers" on the Spelling & Grammar tab of Tools | Options. The conventional treatment of a.m. and p.m. is Small Caps with periods (you have to use lowercase in Word in order to apply the Small Caps format), and, like you, I am not crazy about seeing the abbreviations without periods and especially butted up against the numbers. In timetables advertising text or the like (that is, anything other than a formal book) I don't mind AM and PM (in timetables you often see just A and P or a and p, too, and that's practical to save space). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "BK" wrote in message ... I'm probably old-fashioned, but I always type time in this format: 7:00 p.m. More and more often I see 7:00pm or 7:00 PM and Word doesn't seem to mark any of these as grammatically incorrect. Is there a "right" way? |
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Thanks for the information.
"Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... Well to be fastidiously correct, your usage is correct and everything else 'should' be wrong. However, languages evolve and conventions change so now either AM or am is widely acceptable. But they should be separate from the numbers, as Suzanne has mentioned. Definitely avoid 12 am or 12 pm as so many people don't know the origin of am/pm that they cannot work out which is noon and which is midnight. So whenever practicable, write noon or midnight. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP "BK" wrote in message ... I'm probably old-fashioned, but I always type time in this format: 7:00 p.m. More and more often I see 7:00pm or 7:00 PM and Word doesn't seem to mark any of these as grammatically incorrect. Is there a "right" way? |
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Oh no!! This is getting worse instead of better. grin
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Or you can thoroughly confuse people by writing 12 M. for noon. g -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... Well to be fastidiously correct, your usage is correct and everything else 'should' be wrong. However, languages evolve and conventions change so now either AM or am is widely acceptable. But they should be separate from the numbers, as Suzanne has mentioned. Definitely avoid 12 am or 12 pm as so many people don't know the origin of am/pm that they cannot work out which is noon and which is midnight. So whenever practicable, write noon or midnight. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP "BK" wrote in message ... I'm probably old-fashioned, but I always type time in this format: 7:00 p.m. More and more often I see 7:00pm or 7:00 PM and Word doesn't seem to mark any of these as grammatically incorrect. Is there a "right" way? |
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That's because am/a.m. is "ante (before) matin" and pm/p.m. is "post
(after) matin." 12 is "matin" so it's neither a nor p, but either noon or midnight. B/ Mary Sauer wrote: In the US News & World Report style book, it says don't use 12 a.m. or 12 p.m., use midnight or noon. The proper way to write clock time is a.m. and p.m. |
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Actually we can have even more fun with this than you think
 According to a number of sources the upper case (A.M.) is actually reserved for either of the two phrases: "anno mundi" or "Artium Magister". Time of day should be designated in lower case. Most sources I've seen articulate that the periods be used. Also, not to be "picky", but as I understand it, the "m" actually stands for "meridiem" [du matin] and specifically refers to 12 Noon, or midday. Ain't we got nuthin' better to do?;-) Regards |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 6/2/07 1:04 PM, in article lid, "Brian Mailman" wrote: That's because am/a.m. is "ante (before) matin" and pm/p.m. is "post (after) matin." 12 is "matin" so it's neither a nor p, but either noon or midnight. B/ Mary Sauer wrote: In the US News & World Report style book, it says don't use 12 a.m. or 12 p.m., use midnight or noon. The proper way to write clock time is a.m. and p.m. |
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Actually, "ante meridiem" and "post meridiem." "Meridiem" is the accusative
case (because it's the object of the preposition "ante" or "post") of "meridies," which literally means "midday" or "noon." M. alone thus stands for noon (and never midnight). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Brian Mailman" wrote in message ... That's because am/a.m. is "ante (before) matin" and pm/p.m. is "post (after) matin." 12 is "matin" so it's neither a nor p, but either noon or midnight. B/ Mary Sauer wrote: In the US News & World Report style book, it says don't use 12 a.m. or 12 p.m., use midnight or noon. The proper way to write clock time is a.m. and p.m. |
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Not really... it's just getting good!
-- howard "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" - Juvenal "BK" wrote in message ... Oh no!! This is getting worse instead of better. grin "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Or you can thoroughly confuse people by writing 12 M. for noon. g -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... Well to be fastidiously correct, your usage is correct and everything else 'should' be wrong. However, languages evolve and conventions change so now either AM or am is widely acceptable. But they should be separate from the numbers, as Suzanne has mentioned. Definitely avoid 12 am or 12 pm as so many people don't know the origin of am/pm that they cannot work out which is noon and which is midnight. So whenever practicable, write noon or midnight. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP "BK" wrote in message ... I'm probably old-fashioned, but I always type time in this format: 7:00 p.m. More and more often I see 7:00pm or 7:00 PM and Word doesn't seem to mark any of these as grammatically incorrect. Is there a "right" way? |
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Mary knows what it means: she was confirming what I said about avoiding
using 12 am or 12 pm because most people can't work out which is midnight and which is noon because they don't know the origin of am or pm. Terry "Brian Mailman" wrote in message ... That's because am/a.m. is "ante (before) matin" and pm/p.m. is "post (after) matin." 12 is "matin" so it's neither a nor p, but either noon or midnight. B/ Mary Sauer wrote: In the US News & World Report style book, it says don't use 12 a.m. or 12 p.m., use midnight or noon. The proper way to write clock time is a.m. and p.m. |
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The Baba Rum Raisin (me in my more profound moments) says: "ya live and
ya learn.... and then ya learn some more." B/ Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: Actually, "ante meridiem" and "post meridiem." "Meridiem" is the accusative case (because it's the object of the preposition "ante" or "post") of "meridies," which literally means "midday" or "noon." M. alone thus stands for noon (and never midnight). |
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Just to change the focus, we use a period to divide the hours and minutes not
a colon. ;-) -- Rae Drysdale "BK" wrote: Oh no!! This is getting worse instead of better. grin "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Or you can thoroughly confuse people by writing 12 M. for noon. g -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... Well to be fastidiously correct, your usage is correct and everything else 'should' be wrong. However, languages evolve and conventions change so now either AM or am is widely acceptable. But they should be separate from the numbers, as Suzanne has mentioned. Definitely avoid 12 am or 12 pm as so many people don't know the origin of am/pm that they cannot work out which is noon and which is midnight. So whenever practicable, write noon or midnight. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP "BK" wrote in message ... I'm probably old-fashioned, but I always type time in this format: 7:00 p.m. More and more often I see 7:00pm or 7:00 PM and Word doesn't seem to mark any of these as grammatically incorrect. Is there a "right" way? |
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Should I apologize to everyone for starting such a long conversation
thread?!?!? grin "BK" wrote in message ... Thanks for the information. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... Well to be fastidiously correct, your usage is correct and everything else 'should' be wrong. However, languages evolve and conventions change so now either AM or am is widely acceptable. But they should be separate from the numbers, as Suzanne has mentioned. Definitely avoid 12 am or 12 pm as so many people don't know the origin of am/pm that they cannot work out which is noon and which is midnight. So whenever practicable, write noon or midnight. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP "BK" wrote in message ... I'm probably old-fashioned, but I always type time in this format: 7:00 p.m. More and more often I see 7:00pm or 7:00 PM and Word doesn't seem to mark any of these as grammatically incorrect. Is there a "right" way? |
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You are standing accused of wasting the Community's time.
Terry "BK" wrote in message ... Should I apologize to everyone for starting such a long conversation thread?!?!? grin |
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