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Adrian
 
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Default Style lists in the Styles and Formatting task pane

Hi,

I've spent half an hour trying to work out how the dropdown list entries
work at the bottom of the Styles and Formatting task pane and I give up. I
checked the help file but it really didn't help. The entries on the list are
as follows:

-Available Formatting
-Formatting in Use
-Available Styles
-All Styles
-Custom

When you click Custom, the "Format Settings" dialog box appears. This dialog
box seems to let you do the following:
1. Define the styles that you want to appear on the Available Styles list
(from a list of all styles, you select the check box next to each one you
want to be shown on the Available Styles list).
2. Define the styles that you want to appear on the All Styles list (from a
list of all styles, you select the check box next to each one you want to be
shown on the All Styles list). (I find this somewhat bizarre.)
3. Choose what styles you want to show in the Styles and Formatting pane
(with Custom showing as the selected list). Note that if you change to
another list, you cannot get the original list back directly; instead, the
""Format Settings" dialog box appears. When creating a custom list you start
off by selecting one of the following selections:
-Available styles
-Styles in use
-All styles
-User-defined styles
-Do not show styles

(If you choose Available styles or All styles you are effectively changing
the associated lists at the same time as described in 1 and 2.)

Is my understanding correct? If so, this functionality really could do with
a usability review! If not, please enlighten me!

Also, I don't understand why anyone would click Custom and then choose "Do
not show styles"...

....and while "User-defined styles" and "Styles in use" are pretty clear, I
have a question related to the latter: I have read various articles that
claim "Styles in use" is not well named as it also shows styles that have
been applied to a doc and later removed. Is this still what happens in Word
2003?.


Thanks,

Adrian


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Suzanne S. Barnhill
 
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Default Style lists in the Styles and Formatting task pane

To the extent that anyone understands this, I think you'll find that
understanding detailed in
http://www.ShaunaKelly.com/word/sfpa...ttingPane.html

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
Hi,

I've spent half an hour trying to work out how the dropdown list entries
work at the bottom of the Styles and Formatting task pane and I give up. I
checked the help file but it really didn't help. The entries on the list

are
as follows:

-Available Formatting
-Formatting in Use
-Available Styles
-All Styles
-Custom

When you click Custom, the "Format Settings" dialog box appears. This

dialog
box seems to let you do the following:
1. Define the styles that you want to appear on the Available Styles list
(from a list of all styles, you select the check box next to each one you
want to be shown on the Available Styles list).
2. Define the styles that you want to appear on the All Styles list (from

a
list of all styles, you select the check box next to each one you want to

be
shown on the All Styles list). (I find this somewhat bizarre.)
3. Choose what styles you want to show in the Styles and Formatting pane
(with Custom showing as the selected list). Note that if you change to
another list, you cannot get the original list back directly; instead, the
""Format Settings" dialog box appears. When creating a custom list you

start
off by selecting one of the following selections:
-Available styles
-Styles in use
-All styles
-User-defined styles
-Do not show styles

(If you choose Available styles or All styles you are effectively changing
the associated lists at the same time as described in 1 and 2.)

Is my understanding correct? If so, this functionality really could do

with
a usability review! If not, please enlighten me!

Also, I don't understand why anyone would click Custom and then choose "Do
not show styles"...

...and while "User-defined styles" and "Styles in use" are pretty clear, I
have a question related to the latter: I have read various articles that
claim "Styles in use" is not well named as it also shows styles that have
been applied to a doc and later removed. Is this still what happens in

Word
2003?.


Thanks,

Adrian



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Default Style lists in the Styles and Formatting task pane

Thanks for the link Suzanne. However, my questions are really about how the
"Format Settings" dialog box controls the lists in the Styles and Formatting
task pane and this is not really covered. This is all the FAQ says:

"Choose which styles you would like to see listed (in the Show box, choose
Custom. In the Category box, choose All Styles. Now, tick and un-tick the
list in the Styles to be Visible box. If you want to save this setting for
all documents based on this document's template, click the Save settings in
Template box. Click OK)"

Cheers,

Adrian

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
To the extent that anyone understands this, I think you'll find that
understanding detailed in
http://www.ShaunaKelly.com/word/sfpa...ttingPane.html

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
Hi,

I've spent half an hour trying to work out how the dropdown list entries
work at the bottom of the Styles and Formatting task pane and I give up.
I
checked the help file but it really didn't help. The entries on the list

are
as follows:

-Available Formatting
-Formatting in Use
-Available Styles
-All Styles
-Custom

When you click Custom, the "Format Settings" dialog box appears. This

dialog
box seems to let you do the following:
1. Define the styles that you want to appear on the Available Styles list
(from a list of all styles, you select the check box next to each one you
want to be shown on the Available Styles list).
2. Define the styles that you want to appear on the All Styles list (from

a
list of all styles, you select the check box next to each one you want to

be
shown on the All Styles list). (I find this somewhat bizarre.)
3. Choose what styles you want to show in the Styles and Formatting pane
(with Custom showing as the selected list). Note that if you change to
another list, you cannot get the original list back directly; instead,
the
""Format Settings" dialog box appears. When creating a custom list you

start
off by selecting one of the following selections:
-Available styles
-Styles in use
-All styles
-User-defined styles
-Do not show styles

(If you choose Available styles or All styles you are effectively
changing
the associated lists at the same time as described in 1 and 2.)

Is my understanding correct? If so, this functionality really could do

with
a usability review! If not, please enlighten me!

Also, I don't understand why anyone would click Custom and then choose
"Do
not show styles"...

...and while "User-defined styles" and "Styles in use" are pretty clear,
I
have a question related to the latter: I have read various articles that
claim "Styles in use" is not well named as it also shows styles that have
been applied to a doc and later removed. Is this still what happens in

Word
2003?.


Thanks,

Adrian





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Default Style lists in the Styles and Formatting task pane

It's possible even Shauna doesn't know how this works, then (or thought it
was too complex for users at the level she's targeting). I confess that my
limited experiments have just resulted in confusion and frustration. I'm
especially confused about why these settings seem to have been customized in
Normal.dot, where I make it a cardinal rule never to change any styles or
other settings. sigh

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the link Suzanne. However, my questions are really about how

the
"Format Settings" dialog box controls the lists in the Styles and

Formatting
task pane and this is not really covered. This is all the FAQ says:

"Choose which styles you would like to see listed (in the Show box, choose
Custom. In the Category box, choose All Styles. Now, tick and un-tick the
list in the Styles to be Visible box. If you want to save this setting for
all documents based on this document's template, click the Save settings

in
Template box. Click OK)"

Cheers,

Adrian

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
To the extent that anyone understands this, I think you'll find that
understanding detailed in
http://www.ShaunaKelly.com/word/sfpa...ttingPane.html

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
Hi,

I've spent half an hour trying to work out how the dropdown list

entries
work at the bottom of the Styles and Formatting task pane and I give

up.
I
checked the help file but it really didn't help. The entries on the

list
are
as follows:

-Available Formatting
-Formatting in Use
-Available Styles
-All Styles
-Custom

When you click Custom, the "Format Settings" dialog box appears. This

dialog
box seems to let you do the following:
1. Define the styles that you want to appear on the Available Styles

list
(from a list of all styles, you select the check box next to each one

you
want to be shown on the Available Styles list).
2. Define the styles that you want to appear on the All Styles list

(from
a
list of all styles, you select the check box next to each one you want

to
be
shown on the All Styles list). (I find this somewhat bizarre.)
3. Choose what styles you want to show in the Styles and Formatting

pane
(with Custom showing as the selected list). Note that if you change to
another list, you cannot get the original list back directly; instead,
the
""Format Settings" dialog box appears. When creating a custom list you

start
off by selecting one of the following selections:
-Available styles
-Styles in use
-All styles
-User-defined styles
-Do not show styles

(If you choose Available styles or All styles you are effectively
changing
the associated lists at the same time as described in 1 and 2.)

Is my understanding correct? If so, this functionality really could do

with
a usability review! If not, please enlighten me!

Also, I don't understand why anyone would click Custom and then choose
"Do
not show styles"...

...and while "User-defined styles" and "Styles in use" are pretty

clear,
I
have a question related to the latter: I have read various articles

that
claim "Styles in use" is not well named as it also shows styles that

have
been applied to a doc and later removed. Is this still what happens in

Word
2003?.


Thanks,

Adrian






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Default Style lists in the Styles and Formatting task pane

To me, it looks like when the Styles and Formatting task pane was created,
the developers took the opportunity to tuck some buggy/poorly designed style
functionality out of the way!

Adrian


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
.. .
It's possible even Shauna doesn't know how this works, then (or thought it
was too complex for users at the level she's targeting). I confess that my
limited experiments have just resulted in confusion and frustration. I'm
especially confused about why these settings seem to have been customized
in
Normal.dot, where I make it a cardinal rule never to change any styles or
other settings. sigh

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the link Suzanne. However, my questions are really about how

the
"Format Settings" dialog box controls the lists in the Styles and

Formatting
task pane and this is not really covered. This is all the FAQ says:

"Choose which styles you would like to see listed (in the Show box,
choose
Custom. In the Category box, choose All Styles. Now, tick and un-tick the
list in the Styles to be Visible box. If you want to save this setting
for
all documents based on this document's template, click the Save settings

in
Template box. Click OK)"

Cheers,

Adrian

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
To the extent that anyone understands this, I think you'll find that
understanding detailed in
http://www.ShaunaKelly.com/word/sfpa...ttingPane.html

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
Hi,

I've spent half an hour trying to work out how the dropdown list

entries
work at the bottom of the Styles and Formatting task pane and I give

up.
I
checked the help file but it really didn't help. The entries on the

list
are
as follows:

-Available Formatting
-Formatting in Use
-Available Styles
-All Styles
-Custom

When you click Custom, the "Format Settings" dialog box appears. This
dialog
box seems to let you do the following:
1. Define the styles that you want to appear on the Available Styles

list
(from a list of all styles, you select the check box next to each one

you
want to be shown on the Available Styles list).
2. Define the styles that you want to appear on the All Styles list

(from
a
list of all styles, you select the check box next to each one you want

to
be
shown on the All Styles list). (I find this somewhat bizarre.)
3. Choose what styles you want to show in the Styles and Formatting

pane
(with Custom showing as the selected list). Note that if you change to
another list, you cannot get the original list back directly; instead,
the
""Format Settings" dialog box appears. When creating a custom list you
start
off by selecting one of the following selections:
-Available styles
-Styles in use
-All styles
-User-defined styles
-Do not show styles

(If you choose Available styles or All styles you are effectively
changing
the associated lists at the same time as described in 1 and 2.)

Is my understanding correct? If so, this functionality really could do
with
a usability review! If not, please enlighten me!

Also, I don't understand why anyone would click Custom and then choose
"Do
not show styles"...

...and while "User-defined styles" and "Styles in use" are pretty

clear,
I
have a question related to the latter: I have read various articles

that
claim "Styles in use" is not well named as it also shows styles that

have
been applied to a doc and later removed. Is this still what happens in
Word
2003?.


Thanks,

Adrian










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If it's any consolation to you, this has been intensively rethought for Word
2007.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
To me, it looks like when the Styles and Formatting task pane was created,
the developers took the opportunity to tuck some buggy/poorly designed

style
functionality out of the way!

Adrian


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
.. .
It's possible even Shauna doesn't know how this works, then (or thought

it
was too complex for users at the level she's targeting). I confess that

my
limited experiments have just resulted in confusion and frustration. I'm
especially confused about why these settings seem to have been

customized
in
Normal.dot, where I make it a cardinal rule never to change any styles

or
other settings. sigh

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the link Suzanne. However, my questions are really about how

the
"Format Settings" dialog box controls the lists in the Styles and

Formatting
task pane and this is not really covered. This is all the FAQ says:

"Choose which styles you would like to see listed (in the Show box,
choose
Custom. In the Category box, choose All Styles. Now, tick and un-tick

the
list in the Styles to be Visible box. If you want to save this setting
for
all documents based on this document's template, click the Save

settings
in
Template box. Click OK)"

Cheers,

Adrian

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
To the extent that anyone understands this, I think you'll find that
understanding detailed in
http://www.ShaunaKelly.com/word/sfpa...ttingPane.html

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
Hi,

I've spent half an hour trying to work out how the dropdown list

entries
work at the bottom of the Styles and Formatting task pane and I give

up.
I
checked the help file but it really didn't help. The entries on the

list
are
as follows:

-Available Formatting
-Formatting in Use
-Available Styles
-All Styles
-Custom

When you click Custom, the "Format Settings" dialog box appears.

This
dialog
box seems to let you do the following:
1. Define the styles that you want to appear on the Available Styles

list
(from a list of all styles, you select the check box next to each

one
you
want to be shown on the Available Styles list).
2. Define the styles that you want to appear on the All Styles list

(from
a
list of all styles, you select the check box next to each one you

want
to
be
shown on the All Styles list). (I find this somewhat bizarre.)
3. Choose what styles you want to show in the Styles and Formatting

pane
(with Custom showing as the selected list). Note that if you change

to
another list, you cannot get the original list back directly;

instead,
the
""Format Settings" dialog box appears. When creating a custom list

you
start
off by selecting one of the following selections:
-Available styles
-Styles in use
-All styles
-User-defined styles
-Do not show styles

(If you choose Available styles or All styles you are effectively
changing
the associated lists at the same time as described in 1 and 2.)

Is my understanding correct? If so, this functionality really could

do
with
a usability review! If not, please enlighten me!

Also, I don't understand why anyone would click Custom and then

choose
"Do
not show styles"...

...and while "User-defined styles" and "Styles in use" are pretty

clear,
I
have a question related to the latter: I have read various articles

that
claim "Styles in use" is not well named as it also shows styles that

have
been applied to a doc and later removed. Is this still what happens

in
Word
2003?.


Thanks,

Adrian









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