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Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal codes
in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word. Microsoft
words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I
still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with
formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every
single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is
causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause
different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes,
we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to
troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes!
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Word doesn't format using codes - it is a style based application. If you
want codes to reveal, stick to Word Perfect. If you want to use Word you'll
have to forget all about the way you worked in WP and learn how to use a
style based application.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Rachel King wrote:
Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal
codes in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft
Word. Microsoft words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows
some codes, That's why I still love Corel's Word Perfect because when
we have a problem with formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal
codes" and we can see every single code and we can try to delete
various codes to ascertain what is causing the problem. I still don't
know how or why some key strokes cause different effects and if we
had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes, we could figure out
what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to troubleshoot
ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes!



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Hague2
 
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As a previous Word Perfect user, I also loved reveal codes. As an instructor
I was forced to cross over to Word. I did it kicking and screaming. And
now, I wouldn't go back. I remember how difficult it was teaching reveal
codes. Actually finding and correcting problems in Word is much easier.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

Word doesn't format using codes - it is a style based application. If you
want codes to reveal, stick to Word Perfect. If you want to use Word you'll
have to forget all about the way you worked in WP and learn how to use a
style based application.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Rachel King wrote:
Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal
codes in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft
Word. Microsoft words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows
some codes, That's why I still love Corel's Word Perfect because when
we have a problem with formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal
codes" and we can see every single code and we can try to delete
various codes to ascertain what is causing the problem. I still don't
know how or why some key strokes cause different effects and if we
had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes, we could figure out
what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to troubleshoot
ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes!




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Here is some general info on moving from Word Perfect to Word:

Word and Word Perfect work very differently from one another. Each program's
methods have strengths and weaknesses; but, if you try to use one of these
programs as if it were the other, it is like pushing on a string! You can
easily make a lot of extra work for yourself. If you are unwilling to take
the time to learn to use Word's methods, you should stick to using Word Pad.
You'll have a lot less grief, although you'll miss out on a lot of raw
power. In the (short) long term spending the time to learn Word will save
you time if you are spending any time at all (more than an hour a day) using
Word.

See http://www.addbalance.com/word/wordperfect.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...ordPerfect.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...AndGotchas.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...Converters.htm
http://businesssoft.about.com/comput.../blconvert.htm
for information on Word for Word Perfect users.

For mo
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart2.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart1.htm
http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/templates.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Number...gExplained.htm
http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...latesStore.htm


Function Keys

In Word 2000 (or later) You can get the function keys to display in a
special toolbar at the bottom of the screen if you want (something like
pressing F3 twice in WP). The following macro will do this.
Sub ShowMeFunctionKeys()
Commandbars("Function Key Display").Visible = True
End Sub

Word's Extend key (F8) gives something similar to block processing.


Formatting and Styles

Learn about Styles - really learn!
http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm I resisted for years and now
regret every day of those years because although that string was still very
hard to push, it kept getting longer and longer, and had some very important
projects tied to it! Once you understand styles and the Word concept of
organizing things into Chinese boxes everything falls into place and instead
of pushing a string, you can push a button that turns on the very powerful
text processing machine known as Microsoft Word and it will start doing your
work for you instead of running around behind you trying to undo what you
just thought you did.


Converting documents Word / Word Perfect

Some special characters in Word Perfect documents don't convert well to
Word. There is a macro to assist with this described at
http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/...html#macroword and can be found
at http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/WPSymbolConv.bas.
This was prepared by Edward Mendelson.
Otherwise, look at the macro from http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=212396
Use these on _copies_!

As for converting documents from Word Perfect to _use_ in Word... In a word,
don't plan on it. I would not recommend using converted documents long-term.
They will be filled with formatting anomolies that will get you at the worst
time. This is especially true of any documents containing automatic
numbering or bullets. Try recreating form documents in Word using the
following process:
In Word Perfect (if you still have it, in Word if not) save your files as
text files.
Use your converted files as references to show you how you want your
formatting to look.
Create a new document in Word and insert the text from the text file. Save
this new document as a Word template. Format it the way you want using
styles, not direct formatting. Save it again.
To use a template within Word, use File = New and pick your template. This
will create a new document for you.

Merge documents have special problems and should be recreated from text
files or retyped in Word. To convert data files, consider generating labels
in WP as a document, converting that to Word, and then using
http://www.gmayor.com/convert_labels...mail_merge.htm to get a new Word
data file.

Note that conversions usually do create documents that look passable and
print OK; the problems I'm referring to have to do with editing / making
changes, that is, using the documents long-term. (See below on reusing
documents vs. using templates.)

Conversion back to Word Perfect: There is a problem (in addition to the ones
mentioned for conversion _to_ Word) with Version 2002 (XP) and later of
Word. The conversion file only works for conversion _to_ Word, not from Word
to Word Perfect! Earlier versions went both ways. To fix this, you need to
find the old conversion file WPFT532.CNV from a Word 97 or Word 2000
installation and copy it to your new installation, replacing the file of the
same name. Note, the change making the file one-way was done as a security
measure. While I don't know of any problems the old file causes, keep the
new installation's file somewhere as a backup just in case.


Boilerplate and Forms

In WP a lot of people use macros to hold chunks of text - boilerplate. In
Word this function is filled by Templates, AutoText and AutoCorrect, not
macros. Follow the links at
http://addbalance.com/word/wordwebre...s.htm#AutoText for more
information on these tools.

You can use FILLIN and ASK fields or UserForms to query the user. For some
form documents, Word's "online forms" work very well. For more about online
forms, follow the links at
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...nTheBlanks.htm especially Dian
Chapman's series of articles.


Reusing Documents vs. Using templates

General practice in WP is to have a document and copy and edit it to create
a new document. This is not good practice in Word. In Word, construct a
good, tight, template for your documents and use that template when
constructing new documents. Among other things, this can avoid embarrassing
"metadata" (http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/metadata.htm) and things
like surprise headers and footers from creeping into new documents.

It's a lot of reading, I know. It's OK to chunk it down and do a bit each
day, but I would recommend that you make it a top priority to do that bit
each day. In the (short) long run, it will save you both time and grief.
--

Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome!
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"Rachel King" Rachel wrote in message
...
Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal
codes
in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word.
Microsoft
words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I
still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with
formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every
single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is
causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause
different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL
codes,
we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to
troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal
codes!





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If I didn't know that *I* didn't write what you just did...I'd think I
did!g Those would all be my exact works...you even swiped my
"kicking and screaming" mantra!wink & smirk

Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant
Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

Free MS Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax
Free Word eBook: http://www.mousetrax.com/books.html
Optimize your business docs: http://www.mousetrax.com/consulting
Learn VBA the easy way: http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html


On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 15:05:46 -0700, Hague2
wrote:

As a previous Word Perfect user, I also loved reveal codes. As an instructor
I was forced to cross over to Word. I did it kicking and screaming. And
now, I wouldn't go back. I remember how difficult it was teaching reveal
codes. Actually finding and correcting problems in Word is much easier.


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Yes to all of the replies.

PLUS, toggle on the "Show/Hide " button. It will reveal much and make
formatting easier.

Gordo


"Charles Kenyon" wrote in
message ...
Here is some general info on moving from Word Perfect to Word:

Word and Word Perfect work very differently from one another. Each
program's methods have strengths and weaknesses; but, if you try to use
one of these programs as if it were the other, it is like pushing on a
string! You can easily make a lot of extra work for yourself. If you are
unwilling to take the time to learn to use Word's methods, you should
stick to using Word Pad. You'll have a lot less grief, although you'll
miss out on a lot of raw power. In the (short) long term spending the time
to learn Word will save you time if you are spending any time at all (more
than an hour a day) using Word.

See http://www.addbalance.com/word/wordperfect.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...ordPerfect.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...AndGotchas.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...Converters.htm
http://businesssoft.about.com/comput.../blconvert.htm
for information on Word for Word Perfect users.

For mo
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart2.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart1.htm
http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/templates.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Number...gExplained.htm
http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...latesStore.htm


Function Keys

In Word 2000 (or later) You can get the function keys to display in a
special toolbar at the bottom of the screen if you want (something like
pressing F3 twice in WP). The following macro will do this.
Sub ShowMeFunctionKeys()
Commandbars("Function Key Display").Visible = True
End Sub

Word's Extend key (F8) gives something similar to block processing.


Formatting and Styles

Learn about Styles - really learn!
http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm I resisted for years and
now regret every day of those years because although that string was still
very hard to push, it kept getting longer and longer, and had some very
important projects tied to it! Once you understand styles and the Word
concept of organizing things into Chinese boxes everything falls into
place and instead of pushing a string, you can push a button that turns on
the very powerful text processing machine known as Microsoft Word and it
will start doing your work for you instead of running around behind you
trying to undo what you just thought you did.


Converting documents Word / Word Perfect

Some special characters in Word Perfect documents don't convert well to
Word. There is a macro to assist with this described at
http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/...html#macroword and can be
found at http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/WPSymbolConv.bas.
This was prepared by Edward Mendelson.
Otherwise, look at the macro from
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=212396
Use these on _copies_!

As for converting documents from Word Perfect to _use_ in Word... In a
word, don't plan on it. I would not recommend using converted documents
long-term. They will be filled with formatting anomolies that will get you
at the worst time. This is especially true of any documents containing
automatic numbering or bullets. Try recreating form documents in Word
using the following process:
In Word Perfect (if you still have it, in Word if not) save your files as
text files.
Use your converted files as references to show you how you want your
formatting to look.
Create a new document in Word and insert the text from the text file. Save
this new document as a Word template. Format it the way you want using
styles, not direct formatting. Save it again.
To use a template within Word, use File = New and pick your template.
This will create a new document for you.

Merge documents have special problems and should be recreated from text
files or retyped in Word. To convert data files, consider generating
labels in WP as a document, converting that to Word, and then using
http://www.gmayor.com/convert_labels...mail_merge.htm to get a new Word
data file.

Note that conversions usually do create documents that look passable and
print OK; the problems I'm referring to have to do with editing / making
changes, that is, using the documents long-term. (See below on reusing
documents vs. using templates.)

Conversion back to Word Perfect: There is a problem (in addition to the
ones mentioned for conversion _to_ Word) with Version 2002 (XP) and later
of Word. The conversion file only works for conversion _to_ Word, not from
Word to Word Perfect! Earlier versions went both ways. To fix this, you
need to find the old conversion file WPFT532.CNV from a Word 97 or Word
2000 installation and copy it to your new installation, replacing the file
of the same name. Note, the change making the file one-way was done as a
security measure. While I don't know of any problems the old file causes,
keep the new installation's file somewhere as a backup just in case.


Boilerplate and Forms

In WP a lot of people use macros to hold chunks of text - boilerplate. In
Word this function is filled by Templates, AutoText and AutoCorrect, not
macros. Follow the links at
http://addbalance.com/word/wordwebre...s.htm#AutoText for more
information on these tools.

You can use FILLIN and ASK fields or UserForms to query the user. For some
form documents, Word's "online forms" work very well. For more about
online forms, follow the links at
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...nTheBlanks.htm especially
Dian Chapman's series of articles.


Reusing Documents vs. Using templates

General practice in WP is to have a document and copy and edit it to
create a new document. This is not good practice in Word. In Word,
construct a good, tight, template for your documents and use that template
when constructing new documents. Among other things, this can avoid
embarrassing "metadata"
(http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/metadata.htm) and things like
surprise headers and footers from creeping into new documents.

It's a lot of reading, I know. It's OK to chunk it down and do a bit each
day, but I would recommend that you make it a top priority to do that bit
each day. In the (short) long run, it will save you both time and grief.
--

Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome!
--------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies
and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
from my ignorance and your wisdom.

"Rachel King" Rachel wrote in message
...
Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal
codes
in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word.
Microsoft
words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why
I
still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with
formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every
single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is
causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause
different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL
codes,
we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able
to
troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal
codes!





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Dear Rachel

I am six months late, and this is an older question but...

There is or was some software - a Word macro I think - that showed
reveal codes. I found it crashed my Japanese system but it did show
codes and it did allow one to make changes that were not otherwise
possible using the word GUI.

The software was called "back door" or "back office" or "back window"
or something using "back" but I can't seem to find it.

It was shareware. I am not trying to sell it. I did not purchase it myself.

Now that I am having a bit of a problem with word I would like to see
into my document however, so if anyone knows the software I am talking
about please let me know.

Tim
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I think the application you are looking for is 'Cross Eyes for Word'
http://www.levitjames.com/. However, unlike Word Perfect, Word does not
format with codes, but uses styles, so frankly I do not see how this is
going to help.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


timtak wrote:
Dear Rachel

I am six months late, and this is an older question but...

There is or was some software - a Word macro I think - that showed
reveal codes. I found it crashed my Japanese system but it did show
codes and it did allow one to make changes that were not otherwise
possible using the word GUI.

The software was called "back door" or "back office" or "back window"
or something using "back" but I can't seem to find it.

It was shareware. I am not trying to sell it. I did not purchase it
myself.

Now that I am having a bit of a problem with word I would like to see
into my document however, so if anyone knows the software I am talking
about please let me know.

Tim



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Aha, I found it, it is called crosseyes, not "back" anything.



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Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time? For
example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and
citations
use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline, bold),
and
there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a real
pain to
have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font
attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by glancing over
the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one of
those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a comma
is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the attibutes or
formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same time
and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows the
attributes of a little piece at a time?


"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

You might want to read this article...

Is there life after "Reveal Codes"?
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm

And you might also want to learn how Word works. Realize it is NOT WP
and works differently.

Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant
Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

Free MS Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax
Free Word eBook: http://www.mousetrax.com/books.html
Optimize your business docs: http://www.mousetrax.com/consulting
Learn VBA the easy way: http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html


On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:23:02 -0700, "Rachel King" Rachel
wrote:

Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal codes
in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word. Microsoft
words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I
still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with
formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every
single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is
causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause
different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes,
we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to
troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes!



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Word is a style based application. Every paragraph of the document is
formatted with a particular style. If you format your document with suitable
styles and avoid direct formatting, then the formatting of the current
paragraph is indicated by the style associated with that paragraph.

There are no reveal codes in Word, because Word doesn't use them. If you are
concerned about manual formatting, then select the text and press CTRL+SPACE
which will force the text to revert to the underlying style - or paragraph
formatting CTRL+Q will revert to the original paragraph format. You don't
have to see how it is formatted, the style defines that.

If you cannot discern whether a comma is italicised or not by looking at it,
then neither can anyone else, but whether it is or not will be indicated by
the formatting of the style in which it sits.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


ALeiS wrote:
Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time?
For example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text
and citations
use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline,
bold), and
there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a
real pain to
have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font
attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by
glancing over the text and trying to guess based on visual
impression. I am not one of those individuals gifted with the
ability to discern whether or not a comma is italicized. So is there
or is there not a way to see all the attibutes or formatting or codes
or whatever you want to call them--all at the same time and not in
some box floating at the right of the page that only shows the
attributes of a little piece at a time?


"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

You might want to read this article...

Is there life after "Reveal Codes"?
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm

And you might also want to learn how Word works. Realize it is NOT WP
and works differently.

Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant
Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

Free MS Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax
Free Word eBook: http://www.mousetrax.com/books.html
Optimize your business docs: http://www.mousetrax.com/consulting
Learn VBA the easy way: http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html


On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:23:02 -0700, "Rachel King" Rachel
wrote:

Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the
reveal codes in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in
Microsoft Word. Microsoft words' reveal codes is worthless -- it
only shows some codes, That's why I still love Corel's Word Perfect
because when we have a problem with formatting or anything we can
turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every single code and we can
try to delete various codes to ascertain what is causing the
problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause
different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal
ALL codes, we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We
need to be able to troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as
we do not have reveal codes!



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I assume that by "ALL the text formatting at the same time" you mean for a
certain selected character or for selected text.

Open the Reveal Formatting Task Pane. Select the text you want to check. All
the formatting attributes are shown in the task pane.

If you need to be sure, remember to "Select, Then Do". Select all the text
you want certain formatting for and then just apply the formatting.

Gordo



"ALeiS" wrote in message
...
Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time? For
example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and
citations
use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline,
bold),
and
there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a real
pain to
have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font
attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by glancing
over
the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one of
those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a
comma
is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the attibutes
or
formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same
time
and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows the
attributes of a little piece at a time?


"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

You might want to read this article...

Is there life after "Reveal Codes"?
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm

And you might also want to learn how Word works. Realize it is NOT WP
and works differently.

Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant
Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

Free MS Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax
Free Word eBook: http://www.mousetrax.com/books.html
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:23:02 -0700, "Rachel King" Rachel
wrote:

Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal
codes
in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word.
Microsoft
words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why
I
still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with
formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see
every
single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is
causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes
cause
different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL
codes,
we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able
to
troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal
codes!





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Double-click the comma in question & look at the Italics button on the
formatting toolbar. If the button is pressed in, the comma is italicized -
If the button is popped out the comma *isn't* italicized... But as Graham
suggested if the document is properly formatted it shouldn't be necessary to
check every comma in the document. If styles are used single characters
simply don't get left out of the process.

If a certain phrase is suspect, select the phrase and look at the button. If
*any* of the phrase isn't italicized the button will be popped out and
clicking it twice or - better yet - reapplying the appropriate style will
reformat the selected content completely.

I understand where you're coming from & have had to deal with many people in
a similar situation. You've learned to use WP effectively & have been forced
to use a different program against your will. The natural tendency is to
fight it every step of the way rather than learning to use the new tool, but
it isn't a matter of "better or worse" it's simply a matter of *different*

On another level, I sincerely hope that

Ok genious,


wasn't written with the venomous sarcastic tone the phrase evokes. The
people here aren't responsible for you situation and are volunteering there
time & knowledge to help you make the transition as smooth as possible.
Don't take your anger & resentment out on them.

Regards |:)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac


On 8/18/07 5:00 AM, in article
, "ALeiS"
wrote:

Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time? For
example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and
citations
use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline, bold),
and
there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a real
pain to
have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font
attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by glancing over
the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one of
those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a comma
is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the attibutes or
formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same time
and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows the
attributes of a little piece at a time?


"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

You might want to read this article...

Is there life after "Reveal Codes"?
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm

And you might also want to learn how Word works. Realize it is NOT WP
and works differently.

Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant
Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

Free MS Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax
Free Word eBook: http://www.mousetrax.com/books.html
Optimize your business docs: http://www.mousetrax.com/consulting
Learn VBA the easy way: http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html


On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:23:02 -0700, "Rachel King" Rachel
wrote:

Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal codes
in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word. Microsoft
words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I
still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with
formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every
single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is
causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause
different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes,
we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to
troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes!




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Taz, et al.:

Selecting the phrase and looking at the "button" . . . that's exactly the
problem. It takes a lot longer to click on each word or each comma one at a
time to check the formatting. I am in one of many professions where it is
necessary to check these things. It is common to judge someone's academic or
legal abilities by something as anal as whether the person used the correct
citation format. In legal (and academic) citations a document name is often
italicized, but the comma at the end of the document name is NOT italicized.
I did not create this system ("Bluebook"); Harvard professors did.
Unfortunately, I am stuck using Bluebook just like I am stuck using Word for
some things. Learnining to use "styles" will not make checking formats any
easier because you'd have to have a different "style" for every piece of the
citation. The italicized document or case name would have one style, but the
document's location (including the comma attached to the last word of the
case name) would have a different style, which may have a different format
from the case or publilcation date. Citation is all about italicizing and
unitalicizing and applying smallcapps every couple characters. Because you
can't see a list of all the text with applicable "styles" all at the same
time, you would have to scroll through a letter at a time to check
everything. Also, Word tends to apply the same formatting to an entire word,
so I doubt the "style" feature is even compatible for my purposes-the reason
I don't plan to spend much time learning to use it.

Responding to another comment: YES, there are a lot of people who CAN tell
whether a comma is italicized just by looking at it. It is these people who
decide or at least influence whether an article gets published or whether a
court accepts an appeal-something that can affect a client's money, custody
of their children, whether or for how long they go to prison, and, in rare
cases, whether they live or die. I don't expect you to understand, but trust
me, the citations have to be perfect because even a few mistakes damage the
writer's credibility--and damaged credibility means diminished persuasive
effect. The way the Word program is written makes checking these things a
lot more difficult than it needs to be.

Regarding my "sarcastic tone," I was responding in kind to the tone of the
"Life after Reveal Codes" article. Have you read it? It isn't exactly
written in a diplomatic tone. In addition to its condescending tone, the
content of the article shows that the author has absolutely no understanding
of the concerns faced by people who are looking for the nonexisent Word
equivalent of 'reveal codes.'

Some other silly anal things article editors and judicial clerks care about
are whether a line break inappropriately splits up citations containing
hyphens and section symbols, and whether a writer uses the correct number of
spaces between words and sentences. (The ability to spot extra or missing
spaces seems to be even more prevelant than the ability to spot
inappropriately italicized commas.) "Life after Reveal Codes" doesn't even
suggest the partial fix of clicking on the 'paragraph' symbol (shortcut Ctrl*
a/k/a Ctrl+Shift+8) to toggle "reveal non-printing characters," which
displays a little "dot" for every space so you can easily spot extra or
omitted spaces. A Word user who doesn't know about "reveal non-printing
characters" must arrow through a character at a time to check for the correct
number of spaces. As for keeping characters together, "reveal non-printing
characters" helpfully displays symbols for non-breaking spaces and hyphens
(a/k/a "hard space" and "hyphen character" to WP users-Microsoft does get
points for picking the more intuitive name). Before I found out about
"reveal..." I actually checked this by inserting dummy text to force a
citation to the end of a line to see if the statute number stayed together
despite the hyphen or space after the section symbol. The only other
alternative was to manually fix inappropriately "split" text during the final
proofread-when I needed to be concentrating on other issues.

Thanks to all for confirming my suspicions that it just can't be done in
Word. And I do appreciate everyone trying to help. Unfortunately, no one
seems to fully appreciate the real issue; as a result these postings are all
just regurgitations of what others have already posted.

Thanks anyway.

"CyberTaz" wrote:

Double-click the comma in question & look at the Italics button on the
formatting toolbar. If the button is pressed in, the comma is italicized -
If the button is popped out the comma *isn't* italicized... But as Graham
suggested if the document is properly formatted it shouldn't be necessary to
check every comma in the document. If styles are used single characters
simply don't get left out of the process.

If a certain phrase is suspect, select the phrase and look at the button. If
*any* of the phrase isn't italicized the button will be popped out and
clicking it twice or - better yet - reapplying the appropriate style will
reformat the selected content completely.

I understand where you're coming from & have had to deal with many people in
a similar situation. You've learned to use WP effectively & have been forced
to use a different program against your will. The natural tendency is to
fight it every step of the way rather than learning to use the new tool, but
it isn't a matter of "better or worse" it's simply a matter of *different*

On another level, I sincerely hope that

Ok genious,


wasn't written with the venomous sarcastic tone the phrase evokes. The
people here aren't responsible for you situation and are volunteering there
time & knowledge to help you make the transition as smooth as possible.
Don't take your anger & resentment out on them.

Regards |:)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac


On 8/18/07 5:00 AM, in article
, "ALeiS"
wrote:

Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time? For
example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and
citations
use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline, bold),
and
there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a real
pain to
have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font
attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by glancing over
the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one of
those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a comma
is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the attibutes or
formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same time
and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows the
attributes of a little piece at a time?


"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

You might want to read this article...

Is there life after "Reveal Codes"?
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm

And you might also want to learn how Word works. Realize it is NOT WP
and works differently.

Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant
Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

Free MS Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax
Free Word eBook: http://www.mousetrax.com/books.html
Optimize your business docs: http://www.mousetrax.com/consulting
Learn VBA the easy way: http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html


On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:23:02 -0700, "Rachel King" Rachel
wrote:

Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal codes
in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word. Microsoft
words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I
still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with
formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every
single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is
causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause
different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes,
we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to
troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes!






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Because you
can't see a list of all the text with applicable "styles" all at the same
time, you would have to scroll through a letter at a time to check
everything


When you have the Styles and Formatting Task Pane showing, the currently
selected text style will be shown near the top in a box titled: Formatting
of selected text. Hover over this box to show the drop down arrow. Click the
down arrow and select the "Select all nnn instance(s)" to "reveal" every
instance of the same format as shown by the selection highlights. This may
not show all the time but it does provide a way of seeing all the text with
the same style.

Is this what you were referring to in the above sentence?

Gordo


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I don't expect to change your mind about Word & won't even endeavor to do
so, other than to point out that there are myriad features within the
program of which you seem to be unaware and unwilling to learn. It's your
prerogative to do so, just remember that the first word in your original
post was "Help." That's what the people here are trying to do.

With reference to that there are a few comments in-line below:


On 8/18/07 7:42 PM, in article
, "ALeiS"
wrote:
snip

Responding to another comment: YES, there are a lot of people who CAN tell
whether a comma is italicized just by looking at it. It is these people who
decide or at least influence whether an article gets published or whether a
court accepts an appeal-something that can affect a client's money, custody
of their children, whether or for how long they go to prison, and, in rare
cases, whether they live or die. I don't expect you to understand, but trust
me, the citations have to be perfect because even a few mistakes damage the
writer's credibility--and damaged credibility means diminished persuasive
effect. The way the Word program is written makes checking these things a
lot more difficult than it needs to be.


It is a sad and frightening indictment of the legal system & the people
within it if italicized commas are pivotal in determining the outcome in any
of these issues, let alone the life or death of a human being. I was always
under the impression that the time crunch in the legal arena was due to case
load rather than time being spent examining commas through a magnifying
glass. Perhaps the system & its cadre should be under even more intense
scrutiny than the paperwork they shuffle.


Regarding my "sarcastic tone," I was responding in kind to the tone of the
"Life after Reveal Codes" article. Have you read it? It isn't exactly
written in a diplomatic tone. In addition to its condescending tone, the
content of the article shows that the author has absolutely no understanding
of the concerns faced by people who are looking for the nonexisent Word
equivalent of 'reveal codes.'


Yes, I've read it several times. Further, as a 12-year user & trainer of
WordPerfect (including the Legal Office version) I drew none of the same
conclusions about the article or its author. All that notwithstanding, the
individual who referred you to the article *isn't* the one who wrote it -
your sarcasm was directed toward Dian.


Thanks to all for confirming my suspicions that it just can't be done in
Word. And I do appreciate everyone trying to help. Unfortunately, no one
seems to fully appreciate the real issue; as a result these postings are all
just regurgitations of what others have already posted.


The only suspicions which have been confirmed are that some people refuse to
learn how to get it done and choose to snipe at and dismiss those who offer
assistance. Before slinging more accusations alleging "condescending tone"
you might re-read the last sentence in the above quote - as well as a number
of others throughout your posts. Your insinuation & innuendo that the
contributors to this forum are any less demanding or conscientious about
their work than those in "your profession" are overly abundant, and to
further suggest that they are unable to "appreciate the real issue" is at
once offensive and insulting.


Thanks anyway.

snip

You're most certainly welcome [he replied with an equal flavoring of
dismissive, off-handed insincerity].

--
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



"CyberTaz" wrote:

Double-click the comma in question & look at the Italics button on the
formatting toolbar. If the button is pressed in, the comma is italicized -
If the button is popped out the comma *isn't* italicized... But as Graham
suggested if the document is properly formatted it shouldn't be necessary to
check every comma in the document. If styles are used single characters
simply don't get left out of the process.

If a certain phrase is suspect, select the phrase and look at the button. If
*any* of the phrase isn't italicized the button will be popped out and
clicking it twice or - better yet - reapplying the appropriate style will
reformat the selected content completely.

I understand where you're coming from & have had to deal with many people in
a similar situation. You've learned to use WP effectively & have been forced
to use a different program against your will. The natural tendency is to
fight it every step of the way rather than learning to use the new tool, but
it isn't a matter of "better or worse" it's simply a matter of *different*

On another level, I sincerely hope that

Ok genious,


wasn't written with the venomous sarcastic tone the phrase evokes. The
people here aren't responsible for you situation and are volunteering there
time & knowledge to help you make the transition as smooth as possible.
Don't take your anger & resentment out on them.

Regards |:)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac


On 8/18/07 5:00 AM, in article
, "ALeiS"
wrote:

Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time? For
example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and
citations
use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline, bold),
and
there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a real
pain to
have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font
attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by glancing over
the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one of
those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a comma
is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the attibutes
or
formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same time
and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows the
attributes of a little piece at a time?


"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

You might want to read this article...

Is there life after "Reveal Codes"?
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm

And you might also want to learn how Word works. Realize it is NOT WP
and works differently.

Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant
Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

Free MS Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax
Free Word eBook: http://www.mousetrax.com/books.html
Optimize your business docs: http://www.mousetrax.com/consulting
Learn VBA the easy way: http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html


On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:23:02 -0700, "Rachel King" Rachel
wrote:

Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal
codes
in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word.
Microsoft
words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I
still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with
formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every
single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is
causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause
different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL
codes,
we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to
troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal
codes!





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I hesitate to post this, since it appears you enjoy insulting those who are
merely trying to help, which, btw is purely voluntarily, but I'll give you
another chance. ;-)

If you must have the equivalent of WP's Reveal Codes in Word then perhaps
what you are looking for is an add-in called CrossEyes by Levit & James. I
helped beta test the add-in a few years ago and can tell you it's a lot like
the WP version but perhaps a little better since it reveals more than what
WP Reveal Codes shows you. I think there's a trial version available too.
Here's a link if interested:
http://www.levitjames.com/crosseyes/CrossEyes.html

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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"ALeiS" wrote in message
...
Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time? For
example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and
citations
use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline,
bold),
and
there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a real
pain to
have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font
attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by glancing
over
the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one of
those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a
comma
is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the attibutes
or
formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same
time
and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows the
attributes of a little piece at a time?


"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

You might want to read this article...

Is there life after "Reveal Codes"?
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm



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Thank you, thank you, Gordo.

Finally, something that will be useful. If I click on "select all [n]
instances" of the style Word has named "Bold" (which really seems to mean
'Default font and size + Bold' and no other attribute) it will highlight all
text that is "bold" (and only bold-it won't show text that is bold+italics or
bold but not in the default font and font size). It would still be way more
efficient to have something that shows all the text with indicators of how
the text is formatted (i.e. focusing on the text rather than the style). But
this "select all [n]" feature shows more than a character or a word at a
time-at least for the formatting I have asked the style window to focus on.

Gordo, you seem to intuitively recognize that this is really a display issue
and has little to do with whether formatted text is a string of "code" or a
"container" full of characters. The Word program definitely knows what all
the formatting is, but it is set up to only show the user little pieces at a
time. Your suggested fix allows the user to at least see some bigger pieces
which will make a positive difference. [I get the impression that many of
these forum members are programmers. To help them understand: could you
imagine trying to find a mistake in a program if you could only look at one
character of code at a time? I bet it would drive you nuts; wouldn't you
want everything visible at once so you could find what the problem was?]

More help for my fellow reluctant Word converts:

If you set it to show only "Formatting in use" (pull-down menu at the bottom
of the "Styles and Formatting" window), then it will only show the formatting
you have actually used and not an overwhelming list of "Body 1" and "Header
2" etc. You can still directly format your text using shortcuts (Ctrl+b,
etc.) or clicking on the little icons on the toolbar if you're a
mouse-oriented person; you don't have to use the style window to actually
format anything. And you don't have to dump any time into creating "styles"
for the formats you want to use because Word has already defined them. You
CAN still have direct control of your document and not be a slave to a
program that tries to think for you and consistently misinterprets whatever
it is you are trying to accomplish.

A small limitation is that every added attribute will trigger a
distinguishable style name. "Bold" is a different "style" from "Arial, Bold"
"13 pt, Bold" and "Bold, Left: 0.5" ([default font and size] bold and
intented half an inch at the left margin). This is not ideal when compared
to a system that is attribute-focused and clearly shows where each
independent attribute starts and ends-but it is better than nothing. Also,
the style formatting window does not appear to display things having to do
with page margins or tab stops (and probably other things I haven't noticed
yet), though it does display justification (centering, etc.).

A warning: be sure to click on the pull-down menu (downward-pointing arrow)
for whatever style you want to highlight. If you click on the style name
itself then it will actually apply that formatting to text in your document.
If no text is highlighted, it will sometimes reformat a single word and
sometimes the entire paragraph-I haven't figured out why that is. You can
also RIGHT-click anywhere on the style name to get the pull-down menu so you
don't have to aim directly at the pull-down arrow.

A potentially useful trick: you can scan the list of formats ("styles") in
use and if you see something like "Arial, Bold" and your document is supposed
to be all Times New Roman, then you can use "select all [n] instances" to go
directly to the incorrectly formatted text [remember to right-click or hit
the pull-down menu and not the style name itself] and fix it.

Best of luck to all.

"gordo" wrote:


Because you
can't see a list of all the text with applicable "styles" all at the same
time, you would have to scroll through a letter at a time to check
everything


When you have the Styles and Formatting Task Pane showing, the currently
selected text style will be shown near the top in a box titled: Formatting
of selected text. Hover over this box to show the drop down arrow. Click the
down arrow and select the "Select all nnn instance(s)" to "reveal" every
instance of the same format as shown by the selection highlights. This may
not show all the time but it does provide a way of seeing all the text with
the same style.

Is this what you were referring to in the above sentence?

Gordo



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Now that you've provided some additional details of the issues you are
trying to deal with, specific examples always help!), we have more
information to go on. :-) There are other methods you could use to
accomplish the tasks you face, and perhaps accomplish them faster than you
were doing before.

Regardless of the program you are using, it sounds like you must "eyeball"
every comma in some fashion, whether it's using reveal codes in WP or not.
Now, if I were you, I'd utilize Find for these tasks and make Word be my
"eyeballs".;-) For example, you can use Find to locate every comma with the
italic format. If you use Word 2007 you can use the new Reading Highlight
feature in Find which will highlight every comma that has the italic format
(or whatever your search string might be). If you don't have Word 2007, you
can still highlight those areas that need to be checked using Find/Replace -
you just need to specify you want to replace the found text with
highlighting.

To take it one step further, if every comma should not be italicized then
I'd use Find/Replace and find every comma with the italic format and replace
them with one that isn't italicized. That way the document could be cleaned
up in a few clicks.

Even better, if you have several "typical" scenarios that you look for, as
you noted two spaces instead of one, then you can automate these tasks,
simply by using the Macro Recorder - no programming knowledge necessary, and
reduce the work done to a few clicks of the mouse.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

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"ALeiS" wrote in message
news
Taz, et al.:

Selecting the phrase and looking at the "button" . . . that's exactly the
problem. It takes a lot longer to click on each word or each comma one at
a
time to check the formatting. I am in one of many professions where it is
necessary to check these things. It is common to judge someone's academic
or
legal abilities by something as anal as whether the person used the
correct
citation format. In legal (and academic) citations a document name is
often
italicized, but the comma at the end of the document name is NOT
italicized.
I did not create this system ("Bluebook"); Harvard professors did.
Unfortunately, I am stuck using Bluebook just like I am stuck using Word
for
some things. Learnining to use "styles" will not make checking formats
any
easier because you'd have to have a different "style" for every piece of
the
citation. The italicized document or case name would have one style, but
the
document's location (including the comma attached to the last word of the
case name) would have a different style, which may have a different format
from the case or publilcation date. Citation is all about italicizing and
unitalicizing and applying smallcapps every couple characters. Because
you
can't see a list of all the text with applicable "styles" all at the same
time, you would have to scroll through a letter at a time to check
everything. Also, Word tends to apply the same formatting to an entire
word,
so I doubt the "style" feature is even compatible for my purposes-the
reason
I don't plan to spend much time learning to use it.

Responding to another comment: YES, there are a lot of people who CAN
tell
whether a comma is italicized just by looking at it. It is these people
who
decide or at least influence whether an article gets published or whether
a
court accepts an appeal-something that can affect a client's money,
custody
of their children, whether or for how long they go to prison, and, in rare
cases, whether they live or die. I don't expect you to understand, but
trust
me, the citations have to be perfect because even a few mistakes damage
the
writer's credibility--and damaged credibility means diminished persuasive
effect. The way the Word program is written makes checking these things a
lot more difficult than it needs to be.

Regarding my "sarcastic tone," I was responding in kind to the tone of the
"Life after Reveal Codes" article. Have you read it? It isn't exactly
written in a diplomatic tone. In addition to its condescending tone, the
content of the article shows that the author has absolutely no
understanding
of the concerns faced by people who are looking for the nonexisent Word
equivalent of 'reveal codes.'

Some other silly anal things article editors and judicial clerks care
about
are whether a line break inappropriately splits up citations containing
hyphens and section symbols, and whether a writer uses the correct number
of
spaces between words and sentences. (The ability to spot extra or missing
spaces seems to be even more prevelant than the ability to spot
inappropriately italicized commas.) "Life after Reveal Codes" doesn't
even
suggest the partial fix of clicking on the 'paragraph' symbol (shortcut
Ctrl*
a/k/a Ctrl+Shift+8) to toggle "reveal non-printing characters," which
displays a little "dot" for every space so you can easily spot extra or
omitted spaces. A Word user who doesn't know about "reveal non-printing
characters" must arrow through a character at a time to check for the
correct
number of spaces. As for keeping characters together, "reveal
non-printing
characters" helpfully displays symbols for non-breaking spaces and hyphens
(a/k/a "hard space" and "hyphen character" to WP users-Microsoft does get
points for picking the more intuitive name). Before I found out about
"reveal..." I actually checked this by inserting dummy text to force a
citation to the end of a line to see if the statute number stayed together
despite the hyphen or space after the section symbol. The only other
alternative was to manually fix inappropriately "split" text during the
final
proofread-when I needed to be concentrating on other issues.

Thanks to all for confirming my suspicions that it just can't be done in
Word. And I do appreciate everyone trying to help. Unfortunately, no one
seems to fully appreciate the real issue; as a result these postings are
all
just regurgitations of what others have already posted.

Thanks anyway.

"CyberTaz" wrote:

Double-click the comma in question & look at the Italics button on the
formatting toolbar. If the button is pressed in, the comma is
italicized -
If the button is popped out the comma *isn't* italicized... But as Graham
suggested if the document is properly formatted it shouldn't be necessary
to
check every comma in the document. If styles are used single characters
simply don't get left out of the process.

If a certain phrase is suspect, select the phrase and look at the button.
If
*any* of the phrase isn't italicized the button will be popped out and
clicking it twice or - better yet - reapplying the appropriate style will
reformat the selected content completely.

I understand where you're coming from & have had to deal with many people
in
a similar situation. You've learned to use WP effectively & have been
forced
to use a different program against your will. The natural tendency is to
fight it every step of the way rather than learning to use the new tool,
but
it isn't a matter of "better or worse" it's simply a matter of
*different*

On another level, I sincerely hope that

Ok genious,


wasn't written with the venomous sarcastic tone the phrase evokes. The
people here aren't responsible for you situation and are volunteering
there
time & knowledge to help you make the transition as smooth as possible.
Don't take your anger & resentment out on them.

Regards |:)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac


On 8/18/07 5:00 AM, in article
, "ALeiS"
wrote:

Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time?
For
example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and
citations
use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline,
bold),
and
there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a
real
pain to
have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font
attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by glancing
over
the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one
of
those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a
comma
is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the
attibutes or
formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same
time
and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows
the
attributes of a little piece at a time?


"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

You might want to read this article...

Is there life after "Reveal Codes"?
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm

And you might also want to learn how Word works. Realize it is NOT WP
and works differently.

Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant
Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:23:02 -0700, "Rachel King" Rachel
wrote:

Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal
codes
in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word.
Microsoft
words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's
why I
still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with
formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see
every
single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what
is
causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes
cause
different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL
codes,
we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be
able to
troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal
codes!








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Thank you for the info-I will probably try this add-in.

I searched for "macro reader" in Word Help and all I got was the standard
stuff on how to record and play macros. (I do know about macros; I use them
in both Word and WP. I like keyboard shortcuts; it is a lot easier to record
a macro and assign a shortcut than use the mouse to hunt for commands in the
menus or on the toolbar icons. It's just not efficient to keep moving my
hands from the keyboard to the mouse. . . Sorry for the tangent.) Anyway, I
am not sure what you meant by the 'macro reader' comment.

I suspect, though, that if your suggestion has anything to do with Word
auto-finding or auto-replacing two spaces for every sentence, that it will
actually take more time. I haven't met a word processor yet that can
consistently tell the difference between an abbreviation and the end of a
sentence-too many false alarms. Typically, I check spaces at the same time I
do all my other editing (and I can do at least that now with the 'reveal
nonprinting...' feature. In fact, I prefer to do all my editing in the same
order the text goes, not a task or a "style" at a time, which is why I will
probably spring for the add-in program you suggested (once I have a few spare
minutes to check into it some more).

Perhaps you meant something else about the macro thing. If so, feel free to
clarify.

Thanks.

"Beth Melton" wrote:

I hesitate to post this, since it appears you enjoy insulting those who are
merely trying to help, which, btw is purely voluntarily, but I'll give you
another chance. ;-)

If you must have the equivalent of WP's Reveal Codes in Word then perhaps
what you are looking for is an add-in called CrossEyes by Levit & James. I
helped beta test the add-in a few years ago and can tell you it's a lot like
the WP version but perhaps a little better since it reveals more than what
WP Reveal Codes shows you. I think there's a trial version available too.
Here's a link if interested:
http://www.levitjames.com/crosseyes/CrossEyes.html

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

"ALeiS" wrote in message
...
Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time? For
example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and
citations
use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline,
bold),
and
there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a real
pain to
have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font
attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by glancing
over
the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one of
those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a
comma
is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the attibutes
or
formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same
time
and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows the
attributes of a little piece at a time?


"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

You might want to read this article...

Is there life after "Reveal Codes"?
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm




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I understand completely about using keyboard shortcuts. When I switched from
keyboard driven applications (DOS, such as WP 5 and Lotus) to a Macintosh
and a mouse I suspect it was years before I reached the same level of
efficiency, or at least felt like I did.

My other suggestions weren't necessarily auto-finding and replacing. While
you may have some need for this I was leaning more towards having Word
highlight (such as in yellow or green) those areas you need to take a closer
look at. For example highlight every occurrence of an italicized comma or
double spaces, which might make things faster regardless of the application
you are using since it would eliminate the need to scrutinize every comma.
I've used this method in the past for similar situations and bright yellow
is definitely easy to spot and I have found this method does catch things
better than I can - I invariably miss something on occasion. I did note that
you prefer to work through the text so this may not work for you. BUT, you
never know so here's a quick example if interested (or perhaps you could use
this type of method as a final check to make sure you did catch everything
since the type of work you do is crucial):

- On the Formatting toolbar click the arrow next to the Text Highlight
button and select a highlight color. Press Esc to turn the Highlighter off.
(The last color you select for the Highlight will be the color applied in
the following steps.)
- Press F5 to open Find
- Click the Replace tab
- Click the More button at the bottom
- In the Find What text box type a comma
- Click the Format button at the bottom, select Font, click Italic, and then
click OK
- Place the insertion point in the Replace text box, click the Special
button, and then click "Find What Text" (you should see ^& in the text box)
- With the insertion point still in the Replace text box, click the Format
button and then click Highlight
- Click Replace All

The result is only those commas that also have the Italic format applied are
highlighted. To remove the Highlight, if you have no other highlighted areas
in your document, select all (Ctrl+A), click the arrow next to the Text
Highlight button and then click None.

It's this type of task you could record using the Macro Recorder (I'm not
sure where "Macro reader" came from??) and assign a keyboard shortcut to in
order to automate the process.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"ALeiS" wrote in message
...
Thank you for the info-I will probably try this add-in.

I searched for "macro reader" in Word Help and all I got was the standard
stuff on how to record and play macros. (I do know about macros; I use
them
in both Word and WP. I like keyboard shortcuts; it is a lot easier to
record
a macro and assign a shortcut than use the mouse to hunt for commands in
the
menus or on the toolbar icons. It's just not efficient to keep moving my
hands from the keyboard to the mouse. . . Sorry for the tangent.)
Anyway, I
am not sure what you meant by the 'macro reader' comment.

I suspect, though, that if your suggestion has anything to do with Word
auto-finding or auto-replacing two spaces for every sentence, that it will
actually take more time. I haven't met a word processor yet that can
consistently tell the difference between an abbreviation and the end of a
sentence-too many false alarms. Typically, I check spaces at the same
time I
do all my other editing (and I can do at least that now with the 'reveal
nonprinting...' feature. In fact, I prefer to do all my editing in the
same
order the text goes, not a task or a "style" at a time, which is why I
will
probably spring for the add-in program you suggested (once I have a few
spare
minutes to check into it some more).

Perhaps you meant something else about the macro thing. If so, feel free
to
clarify.

Thanks.

"Beth Melton" wrote:

I hesitate to post this, since it appears you enjoy insulting those who
are
merely trying to help, which, btw is purely voluntarily, but I'll give
you
another chance. ;-)

If you must have the equivalent of WP's Reveal Codes in Word then perhaps
what you are looking for is an add-in called CrossEyes by Levit & James.
I
helped beta test the add-in a few years ago and can tell you it's a lot
like
the WP version but perhaps a little better since it reveals more than
what
WP Reveal Codes shows you. I think there's a trial version available too.
Here's a link if interested:
http://www.levitjames.com/crosseyes/CrossEyes.html

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

"ALeiS" wrote in message
...
Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time?
For
example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and
citations
use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline,
bold),
and
there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a
real
pain to
have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font
attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by glancing
over
the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one
of
those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a
comma
is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the
attibutes
or
formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same
time
and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows
the
attributes of a little piece at a time?


"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

You might want to read this article...

Is there life after "Reveal Codes"?
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm






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Regarding my "sarcastic tone," I was responding in kind to the tone of the
"Life after Reveal Codes" article. Have you read it? It isn't exactly
written in a diplomatic tone. In addition to its condescending tone, the
content of the article shows that the author has absolutely no

understanding
of the concerns faced by people who are looking for the nonexisent Word
equivalent of 'reveal codes.'


I am the author of the article. I used WordPerfect for many years and there
are many WP features I still occasionally miss, but Reveal Codes is rarely
one of them; I found the inline codes usually more troublesome than helpful,
especially when they were reduplicated many times.

As a copy editor and typesetter, I do have to be anal about whether or not
commas are italicized, though in mainstream publishing the convention is to
italicize a comma following an italicized word rather than the reverse. Note
that if you double-click to select a word to italicize, Word will italicize
a space after it but *not* any punctuation; that makes my job harder but
yours easier.

FWIW, I have reread this article and fail to find any trace of
condescension, but I suppose that must be in the eyes of the beholder.

"Life after Reveal Codes" doesn't even
suggest the partial fix of clicking on the 'paragraph' symbol (shortcut

Ctrl*
a/k/a Ctrl+Shift+8) to toggle "reveal non-printing characters," which
displays a little "dot" for every space so you can easily spot extra or
omitted spaces.


I guess you must not have given up on the article too soon because item #1
(yes, that's right, the very first point) says:

The most important one is display of nonprinting characters. The Show/Hide
¶ button on the Standard toolbar toggles this display on and off.


The meaning of each of the nonprinting characters (or 'formatting marks,'
as they are known in Word 2000 and 2002), is explained in What do all those
funny marks, like the dots between the words in my document, and the square
bullets in the left margin, mean? With these symbols displayed, it is much
easier to find out that, for example, your document is printing an extra
blank page because you have half a dozen empty paragraphs at the end.

The referenced (linked) article is an exhaustive discussion of the meaning
of all the nonprinting characters.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"ALeiS" wrote in message
news
Taz, et al.:

Selecting the phrase and looking at the "button" . . . that's exactly the
problem. It takes a lot longer to click on each word or each comma one at

a
time to check the formatting. I am in one of many professions where it is
necessary to check these things. It is common to judge someone's academic

or
legal abilities by something as anal as whether the person used the

correct
citation format. In legal (and academic) citations a document name is

often
italicized, but the comma at the end of the document name is NOT

italicized.
I did not create this system ("Bluebook"); Harvard professors did.
Unfortunately, I am stuck using Bluebook just like I am stuck using Word

for
some things. Learnining to use "styles" will not make checking formats

any
easier because you'd have to have a different "style" for every piece of

the
citation. The italicized document or case name would have one style, but

the
document's location (including the comma attached to the last word of the
case name) would have a different style, which may have a different format
from the case or publilcation date. Citation is all about italicizing and
unitalicizing and applying smallcapps every couple characters. Because

you
can't see a list of all the text with applicable "styles" all at the same
time, you would have to scroll through a letter at a time to check
everything. Also, Word tends to apply the same formatting to an entire

word,
so I doubt the "style" feature is even compatible for my purposes-the

reason
I don't plan to spend much time learning to use it.

Responding to another comment: YES, there are a lot of people who CAN

tell
whether a comma is italicized just by looking at it. It is these people

who
decide or at least influence whether an article gets published or whether

a
court accepts an appeal-something that can affect a client's money,

custody
of their children, whether or for how long they go to prison, and, in rare
cases, whether they live or die. I don't expect you to understand, but

trust
me, the citations have to be perfect because even a few mistakes damage

the
writer's credibility--and damaged credibility means diminished persuasive
effect. The way the Word program is written makes checking these things a
lot more difficult than it needs to be.

Regarding my "sarcastic tone," I was responding in kind to the tone of the
"Life after Reveal Codes" article. Have you read it? It isn't exactly
written in a diplomatic tone. In addition to its condescending tone, the
content of the article shows that the author has absolutely no

understanding
of the concerns faced by people who are looking for the nonexisent Word
equivalent of 'reveal codes.'

Some other silly anal things article editors and judicial clerks care

about
are whether a line break inappropriately splits up citations containing
hyphens and section symbols, and whether a writer uses the correct number

of
spaces between words and sentences. (The ability to spot extra or missing
spaces seems to be even more prevelant than the ability to spot
inappropriately italicized commas.) "Life after Reveal Codes" doesn't

even
suggest the partial fix of clicking on the 'paragraph' symbol (shortcut

Ctrl*
a/k/a Ctrl+Shift+8) to toggle "reveal non-printing characters," which
displays a little "dot" for every space so you can easily spot extra or
omitted spaces. A Word user who doesn't know about "reveal non-printing
characters" must arrow through a character at a time to check for the

correct
number of spaces. As for keeping characters together, "reveal

non-printing
characters" helpfully displays symbols for non-breaking spaces and hyphens
(a/k/a "hard space" and "hyphen character" to WP users-Microsoft does get
points for picking the more intuitive name). Before I found out about
"reveal..." I actually checked this by inserting dummy text to force a
citation to the end of a line to see if the statute number stayed together
despite the hyphen or space after the section symbol. The only other
alternative was to manually fix inappropriately "split" text during the

final
proofread-when I needed to be concentrating on other issues.

Thanks to all for confirming my suspicions that it just can't be done in
Word. And I do appreciate everyone trying to help. Unfortunately, no one
seems to fully appreciate the real issue; as a result these postings are

all
just regurgitations of what others have already posted.

Thanks anyway.

"CyberTaz" wrote:

Double-click the comma in question & look at the Italics button on the
formatting toolbar. If the button is pressed in, the comma is

italicized -
If the button is popped out the comma *isn't* italicized... But as

Graham
suggested if the document is properly formatted it shouldn't be

necessary to
check every comma in the document. If styles are used single characters
simply don't get left out of the process.

If a certain phrase is suspect, select the phrase and look at the

button. If
*any* of the phrase isn't italicized the button will be popped out and
clicking it twice or - better yet - reapplying the appropriate style

will
reformat the selected content completely.

I understand where you're coming from & have had to deal with many

people in
a similar situation. You've learned to use WP effectively & have been

forced
to use a different program against your will. The natural tendency is to
fight it every step of the way rather than learning to use the new tool,

but
it isn't a matter of "better or worse" it's simply a matter of

*different*

On another level, I sincerely hope that

Ok genious,


wasn't written with the venomous sarcastic tone the phrase evokes. The
people here aren't responsible for you situation and are volunteering

there
time & knowledge to help you make the transition as smooth as possible.
Don't take your anger & resentment out on them.

Regards |:)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac


On 8/18/07 5:00 AM, in article
, "ALeiS"
wrote:

Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time?

For
example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and
citations
use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline,

bold),
and
there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a

real
pain to
have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font
attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by

glancing over
the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one

of
those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a

comma
is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the

attibutes or
formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same

time
and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows

the
attributes of a little piece at a time?


"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

You might want to read this article...

Is there life after "Reveal Codes"?
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm

And you might also want to learn how Word works. Realize it is NOT WP
and works differently.

Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant
Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified
Editor/TechTrax Ezine

Free MS Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax
Free Word eBook: http://www.mousetrax.com/books.html
Optimize your business docs: http://www.mousetrax.com/consulting
Learn VBA the easy way: http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html


On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:23:02 -0700, "Rachel King" Rachel
wrote:

Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the

reveal codes
in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word.

Microsoft
words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's

why I
still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with
formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see

every
single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what

is
causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes

cause
different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal

ALL codes,
we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be

able to
troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have

reveal codes!





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Note also that a shortcut for applying formatting in the Find dialog is to
use the same keyboard shortcuts used in the text. For example, press Ctrl+I
once to get Format: Font: Italic. Press Ctrl+I again to get Format: Font:
Not Italic. A third time removes the formatting. The same can be done with
Ctrl+B, Ctrl+U, Ctrl+Shift+A, Ctrl+Shift+K, etc.

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"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
I understand completely about using keyboard shortcuts. When I switched

from
keyboard driven applications (DOS, such as WP 5 and Lotus) to a Macintosh
and a mouse I suspect it was years before I reached the same level of
efficiency, or at least felt like I did.

My other suggestions weren't necessarily auto-finding and replacing. While
you may have some need for this I was leaning more towards having Word
highlight (such as in yellow or green) those areas you need to take a

closer
look at. For example highlight every occurrence of an italicized comma or
double spaces, which might make things faster regardless of the

application
you are using since it would eliminate the need to scrutinize every comma.
I've used this method in the past for similar situations and bright yellow
is definitely easy to spot and I have found this method does catch things
better than I can - I invariably miss something on occasion. I did note

that
you prefer to work through the text so this may not work for you. BUT, you
never know so here's a quick example if interested (or perhaps you could

use
this type of method as a final check to make sure you did catch everything
since the type of work you do is crucial):

- On the Formatting toolbar click the arrow next to the Text Highlight
button and select a highlight color. Press Esc to turn the Highlighter

off.
(The last color you select for the Highlight will be the color applied in
the following steps.)
- Press F5 to open Find
- Click the Replace tab
- Click the More button at the bottom
- In the Find What text box type a comma
- Click the Format button at the bottom, select Font, click Italic, and

then
click OK
- Place the insertion point in the Replace text box, click the Special
button, and then click "Find What Text" (you should see ^& in the text

box)
- With the insertion point still in the Replace text box, click the Format
button and then click Highlight
- Click Replace All

The result is only those commas that also have the Italic format applied

are
highlighted. To remove the Highlight, if you have no other highlighted

areas
in your document, select all (Ctrl+A), click the arrow next to the Text
Highlight button and then click None.

It's this type of task you could record using the Macro Recorder (I'm not
sure where "Macro reader" came from??) and assign a keyboard shortcut to

in
order to automate the process.

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"ALeiS" wrote in message
...
Thank you for the info-I will probably try this add-in.

I searched for "macro reader" in Word Help and all I got was the

standard
stuff on how to record and play macros. (I do know about macros; I use
them
in both Word and WP. I like keyboard shortcuts; it is a lot easier to
record
a macro and assign a shortcut than use the mouse to hunt for commands in
the
menus or on the toolbar icons. It's just not efficient to keep moving

my
hands from the keyboard to the mouse. . . Sorry for the tangent.)
Anyway, I
am not sure what you meant by the 'macro reader' comment.

I suspect, though, that if your suggestion has anything to do with Word
auto-finding or auto-replacing two spaces for every sentence, that it

will
actually take more time. I haven't met a word processor yet that can
consistently tell the difference between an abbreviation and the end of

a
sentence-too many false alarms. Typically, I check spaces at the same
time I
do all my other editing (and I can do at least that now with the 'reveal
nonprinting...' feature. In fact, I prefer to do all my editing in the
same
order the text goes, not a task or a "style" at a time, which is why I
will
probably spring for the add-in program you suggested (once I have a few
spare
minutes to check into it some more).

Perhaps you meant something else about the macro thing. If so, feel

free
to
clarify.

Thanks.

"Beth Melton" wrote:

I hesitate to post this, since it appears you enjoy insulting those who
are
merely trying to help, which, btw is purely voluntarily, but I'll give
you
another chance. ;-)

If you must have the equivalent of WP's Reveal Codes in Word then

perhaps
what you are looking for is an add-in called CrossEyes by Levit &

James.
I
helped beta test the add-in a few years ago and can tell you it's a lot
like
the WP version but perhaps a little better since it reveals more than
what
WP Reveal Codes shows you. I think there's a trial version available

too.
Here's a link if interested:
http://www.levitjames.com/crosseyes/CrossEyes.html

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"ALeiS" wrote in message
...
Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time?
For
example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and
citations
use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline,
bold),
and
there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a
real
pain to
have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the

font
attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by

glancing
over
the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not

one
of
those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a
comma
is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the
attibutes
or
formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the

same
time
and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows
the
attributes of a little piece at a time?


"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

You might want to read this article...

Is there life after "Reveal Codes"?
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm






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Hi Beth,

Thanks for that link... I downloaded the Crosseyes program and when it
wouldn't install, I contacted the company. Here was their reply:

"The version of CE you have was not built for office 2007. We will have a
new version soon that will work for office 2007. Please check back with us in
late September, we should have it for release by then. Sorry for the
inconvenience."

But I like the idea and there is a trial version, so I will certainly try
again later.

Don

Best regards,
"Beth Melton" wrote:


If you must have the equivalent of WP's Reveal Codes in Word
then perhaps what you are looking for is an add-in called
CrossEyes by Levit & James. I helped beta test the add-in a few
years ago and can tell you it's a lot like the WP version but
perhaps a little better since it reveals more than what WP
Reveal Codes shows you. I think there's a trial version
available too. Here's a link if interested:

http://www.levitjames.com/crosseyes/CrossEyes.html

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Yeah, that makes sense, they would need a different add-in for Word 2007.
Thanks for the update. :-)

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"Don Ellis" wrote in message
...

Hi Beth,

Thanks for that link... I downloaded the Crosseyes program and when it
wouldn't install, I contacted the company. Here was their reply:

"The version of CE you have was not built for office 2007. We will have a
new version soon that will work for office 2007. Please check back with us
in
late September, we should have it for release by then. Sorry for the
inconvenience."

But I like the idea and there is a trial version, so I will certainly try
again later.

Don

Best regards,
"Beth Melton" wrote:


If you must have the equivalent of WP's Reveal Codes in Word
then perhaps what you are looking for is an add-in called
CrossEyes by Levit & James. I helped beta test the add-in a few
years ago and can tell you it's a lot like the WP version but
perhaps a little better since it reveals more than what WP
Reveal Codes shows you. I think there's a trial version
available too. Here's a link if interested:

http://www.levitjames.com/crosseyes/CrossEyes.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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If you are feeling really adventurous, DOCX is an XML format document in a
compressed format. You could open that format with a decompression tool such
as WinRar and view the resulting codes directly from the document

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Don Ellis wrote:
Hi Beth,

Thanks for that link... I downloaded the Crosseyes program and when it
wouldn't install, I contacted the company. Here was their reply:

"The version of CE you have was not built for office 2007. We will
have a new version soon that will work for office 2007. Please check
back with us in late September, we should have it for release by
then. Sorry for the inconvenience."

But I like the idea and there is a trial version, so I will certainly
try again later.

Don

Best regards,
"Beth Melton" wrote:


If you must have the equivalent of WP's Reveal Codes in Word
then perhaps what you are looking for is an add-in called
CrossEyes by Levit & James. I helped beta test the add-in a few
years ago and can tell you it's a lot like the WP version but
perhaps a little better since it reveals more than what WP
Reveal Codes shows you. I think there's a trial version
available too. Here's a link if interested:

http://www.levitjames.com/crosseyes/CrossEyes.html

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Dear Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant - Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified,

Ive read the articles; Ive read all the comments for this subject matter.
I am very frustrated and agree in most with Mr. AleiS communications! This
is ridiculous & many of the communications he received in return was done so
with bad taste and irresponsive to his direct query.

I commonly receive word documents that are pre-formatted (Pre-designed style
templates from word) that often contain cell errors! Example: The format in
one cell is varied from the balance. I now understand the reason reveal
formatting in Word 07 is worthless in correcting what seemed to be simple
flaws. I made the mistake of attempting to correct an error in a time
sensitive document this AM and here I am posting this comment because of such.

Thank goodness I have a secretary that can take the TIME to correct the
changes, by redoing the documents from scratch!

I have ordered to my IT department to pilot your add on suggestion in hopes
this feature will work. For this I/we thank you in advance for this
suggestion.

Regards,
General Manager of US Corporate Services


"Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote:

You might want to read this article...

Is there life after "Reveal Codes"?
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm

And you might also want to learn how Word works. Realize it is NOT WP
and works differently.

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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:23:02 -0700, "Rachel King" Rachel
wrote:

Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal codes
in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word. Microsoft
words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I
still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with
formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every
single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is
causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause
different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes,
we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to
troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes!



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Styles are really basic and really easy -- they're just pre-made
collections of all the different formatting decisions that can apply
to a paragraph. You can tell Word to show you only the few styles that
are actually being used in your document.

Headings are simple if you just use the styles "Heading 1" through
"Heading 9" that come with (modifying their formats as desired).

If you need your headings and/or paragraphs numbered, it's a little
bit more complicated, and it works somewhat differently in Word2003
and Word2007.

On Aug 19, 3:28*pm, Bonnie wrote:
CyberTaz:

Not sure if I'm directing this correcting, but these people who can't live
without their "WordPerfect," c'mon, give me a break. *I, too, work in the
legal profession as actually a legal secretary for now 24 years and until
2002, we used WordPerfect religiously. *I was one of those who did not under
any circumstance want to start using Word and fought it intensely, but now, I
would fight it intensely to go back to the inferior product of WordPerfect. *
People just need to chill out and give Word a chance. *I really like it, even
though I have not mastered the styles/headings yet, I'm still plugging along
and my bosses (the attorneys I work for) seem quite happy with my work, as
I'm a perfectionist and it's quite easy to get a comma italicized. *Keep up
the good work in helping people on this site.
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Peter,

Since you are seeding more opinions. Here one of mine:

Like Styles, customizing the Ribbon is really basic and really easy when you
know how.

Bonnie,

If you haven't already seen them, these links might be helpful:

http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...platePart1.htm

http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...platePart2.htm

http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...Numbering.html

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"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message
...
Styles are really basic and really easy -- they're just pre-made
collections of all the different formatting decisions that can apply
to a paragraph. You can tell Word to show you only the few styles that
are actually being used in your document.

Headings are simple if you just use the styles "Heading 1" through
"Heading 9" that come with (modifying their formats as desired).

If you need your headings and/or paragraphs numbered, it's a little
bit more complicated, and it works somewhat differently in Word2003
and Word2007.

On Aug 19, 3:28 pm, Bonnie wrote:
CyberTaz:

Not sure if I'm directing this correcting, but these people who can't live
without their "WordPerfect," c'mon, give me a break. I, too, work in the
legal profession as actually a legal secretary for now 24 years and until
2002, we used WordPerfect religiously. I was one of those who did not
under
any circumstance want to start using Word and fought it intensely, but
now, I
would fight it intensely to go back to the inferior product of
WordPerfect.
People just need to chill out and give Word a chance. I really like it,
even
though I have not mastered the styles/headings yet, I'm still plugging
along
and my bosses (the attorneys I work for) seem quite happy with my work, as
I'm a perfectionist and it's quite easy to get a comma italicized. Keep up
the good work in helping people on this site.
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Bonnie,

Greg Maxey is an experienced, albeit self-taught, programmer, and a
liar who has suddenly made it his business to stalk me and post inane
replies to everything I post.

"Really easy when you know how" is a tautology, and a pretty idiotic
one.

If it were "really basic," Microsoft would include instructions for
doing it with every copy of Word, as it does for customizing the Quick
Access Toolbar.

On Aug 19, 5:52*pm, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Peter,

Since you are seeding more opinions. *Here one of mine:

Like Styles, customizing the Ribbon is really basic and really easy when you
know how.

Bonnie,

If you haven't already seen them, these links might be helpful:

http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...platePart1.htm

http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...platePart2.htm

http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...Numbering.html

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My web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org

"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in ...
Styles are really basic and really easy -- they're just pre-made
collections of all the different formatting decisions that can apply
to a paragraph. You can tell Word to show you only the few styles that
are actually being used in your document.

Headings are simple if you just use the styles "Heading 1" through
"Heading 9" that come with (modifying their formats as desired).

If you need your headings and/or paragraphs numbered, it's a little
bit more complicated, and it works somewhat differently in Word2003
and Word2007.

On Aug 19, 3:28 pm, Bonnie wrote:



CyberTaz:


Not sure if I'm directing this correcting, but these people who can't live
without their "WordPerfect," c'mon, give me a break. I, too, work in the
legal profession as actually a legal secretary for now 24 years and until
2002, we used WordPerfect religiously. I was one of those who did not
under
any circumstance want to start using Word and fought it intensely, but
now, I
would fight it intensely to go back to the inferior product of
WordPerfect.
People just need to chill out and give Word a chance. I really like it,
even
though I have not mastered the styles/headings yet, I'm still plugging
along
and my bosses (the attorneys I work for) seem quite happy with my work, as
I'm a perfectionist and it's quite easy to get a comma italicized. Keep up
the good work in helping people on this site.
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.... and a liar! My, my now that's really strong. Next thing you'll be
shouting again.

Where's MyHandsy? You due for another spanking.

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"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message
...
Bonnie,

Greg Maxey is an experienced, albeit self-taught, programmer, and a
liar who has suddenly made it his business to stalk me and post inane
replies to everything I post.

"Really easy when you know how" is a tautology, and a pretty idiotic
one.

If it were "really basic," Microsoft would include instructions for
doing it with every copy of Word, as it does for customizing the Quick
Access Toolbar.

On Aug 19, 5:52 pm, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Peter,

Since you are seeding more opinions. Here one of mine:

Like Styles, customizing the Ribbon is really basic and really easy when
you
know how.

Bonnie,

If you haven't already seen them, these links might be helpful:

http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...platePart1.htm

http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...platePart2.htm

http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...Numbering.html

--
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My web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org

"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in
...
Styles are really basic and really easy -- they're just pre-made
collections of all the different formatting decisions that can apply
to a paragraph. You can tell Word to show you only the few styles that
are actually being used in your document.

Headings are simple if you just use the styles "Heading 1" through
"Heading 9" that come with (modifying their formats as desired).

If you need your headings and/or paragraphs numbered, it's a little
bit more complicated, and it works somewhat differently in Word2003
and Word2007.

On Aug 19, 3:28 pm, Bonnie wrote:



CyberTaz:


Not sure if I'm directing this correcting, but these people who can't
live
without their "WordPerfect," c'mon, give me a break. I, too, work in the
legal profession as actually a legal secretary for now 24 years and
until
2002, we used WordPerfect religiously. I was one of those who did not
under
any circumstance want to start using Word and fought it intensely, but
now, I
would fight it intensely to go back to the inferior product of
WordPerfect.
People just need to chill out and give Word a chance. I really like it,
even
though I have not mastered the styles/headings yet, I'm still plugging
along
and my bosses (the attorneys I work for) seem quite happy with my work,
as
I'm a perfectionist and it's quite easy to get a comma italicized. Keep
up
the good work in helping people on this site.
--
Bonnie Lynn Green-



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Peter,

Less some lurker assume that you have the corner on truth ...

I really have no interest in stalking you and if anyone had the slightest
interest in checking your facts they would quickly realize that I have
completely ignored nearly all of the 18+ thousand post and counting that
your have made in support forums within the last few years and most of the
ones that you have made recently. My intentions are to post replies only to
your posts in which you display your unbridled arrogance, offer your
opinions stated as facts, disparage the skills and contributions of others,
attempt to close doors or discourage users from experiencing the full range
of Word's capabilities by advising them that something is not possible or
not worth the effort or too hard; when and as it pleases me. Considering
your past and your nature it may please me to stay very busy.

Take Bonnie's comment for example:

"I have not mastered the styles/headings yet ..."

For all we know, for all you know, while perhaps she hasn't mastered them
she may already know far more about them than you or I. Even considering
that you are a man with a Ph.D., a former college professor and author,
editor, translator of numerous articles and books, with perhaps even an
elevated status in academic and linguistic circles, it "is" possible that
she is already more knowledgeable about headings/styles than you are!! Your
post implies that you have mastered them and that she is completely ignorant
of styles/headings and their employment/function. That is unbridled
arrogance. Even if I am wrong concerning your implications I fail to see
how your opinions about their simplicity and ease of use or your profound
statement that numbered headings are a bit more complicated offered any
substantive support or assistance. Perhaps you were just being inane.

Cheers

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
Bonnie,

Greg Maxey is an experienced, albeit self-taught, programmer, and a
liar who has suddenly made it his business to stalk me and post inane
replies to everything I post.

"Really easy when you know how" is a tautology, and a pretty idiotic
one.

If it were "really basic," Microsoft would include instructions for
doing it with every copy of Word, as it does for customizing the Quick
Access Toolbar.

On Aug 19, 5:52 pm, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Peter,

Since you are seeding more opinions. Here one of mine:

Like Styles, customizing the Ribbon is really basic and really easy
when you
know how.

Bonnie,

If you haven't already seen them, these links might be helpful:

http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...platePart1.htm

http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...platePart2.htm

http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...Numbering.html

--
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My web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org

"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in
...
Styles are really basic and really easy -- they're just pre-made
collections of all the different formatting decisions that can apply
to a paragraph. You can tell Word to show you only the few styles
that
are actually being used in your document.

Headings are simple if you just use the styles "Heading 1" through
"Heading 9" that come with (modifying their formats as desired).

If you need your headings and/or paragraphs numbered, it's a little
bit more complicated, and it works somewhat differently in Word2003
and Word2007.

On Aug 19, 3:28 pm, Bonnie wrote:



CyberTaz:


Not sure if I'm directing this correcting, but these people who
can't live without their "WordPerfect," c'mon, give me a break. I,
too, work in the legal profession as actually a legal secretary for
now 24 years and until 2002, we used WordPerfect religiously. I was
one of those who did not under
any circumstance want to start using Word and fought it intensely,
but now, I
would fight it intensely to go back to the inferior product of
WordPerfect.
People just need to chill out and give Word a chance. I really like
it, even
though I have not mastered the styles/headings yet, I'm still
plugging along
and my bosses (the attorneys I work for) seem quite happy with my
work, as I'm a perfectionist and it's quite easy to get a comma
italicized. Keep up the good work in helping people on this site.
--
Bonnie Lynn Green-


--
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My web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org
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On Aug 20, 9:07*am, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Peter,

Less some lurker assume that you have the corner on truth ...

I really have no interest in stalking you and if anyone had the slightest
interest in checking your facts they would quickly realize that I have
completely ignored nearly all of the 18+ thousand post and counting that
your have made in support forums within the last few years and most of the
ones that you have made recently. *


That is, in fact, a lie. As of just now, according to the google
groups statistics, I have made 3257 postings to this newsgroup (over
the not quite two years that I have had Word2007) and 31 postings to
the word.printingfonts newsgroup. I have posted to no other "support
forums" (unless someone had crossposted a message I replied to).
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We can take your word for it or take the word of Google that tracks and
maintains your profile. Your profile shows 18350 posts and counting in 7
groups starting in July 2006.

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"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message
...
On Aug 20, 9:07 am, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
Peter,

Less some lurker assume that you have the corner on truth ...

I really have no interest in stalking you and if anyone had the slightest
interest in checking your facts they would quickly realize that I have
completely ignored nearly all of the 18+ thousand post and counting that
your have made in support forums within the last few years and most of the
ones that you have made recently.


That is, in fact, a lie. As of just now, according to the google
groups statistics, I have made 3257 postings to this newsgroup (over
the not quite two years that I have had Word2007) and 31 postings to
the word.printingfonts newsgroup. I have posted to no other "support
forums" (unless someone had crossposted a message I replied to).




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You guys need to get a room.

"Greg Maxey" wrote in message
...
: We can take your word for it or take the word of Google that tracks and
: maintains your profile. Your profile shows 18350 posts and counting in 7
: groups starting in July 2006.
:
: --
: Greg Maxey - Word MVP
:
: My web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org
: Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org
:
:
: "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message
: ...
: On Aug 20, 9:07 am, "Greg Maxey"
: wrote:
: Peter,
:
: Less some lurker assume that you have the corner on truth ...
:
: I really have no interest in stalking you and if anyone had the
slightest
: interest in checking your facts they would quickly realize that I have
: completely ignored nearly all of the 18+ thousand post and counting that
: your have made in support forums within the last few years and most of
the
: ones that you have made recently.
:
: That is, in fact, a lie. As of just now, according to the google
: groups statistics, I have made 3257 postings to this newsgroup (over
: the not quite two years that I have had Word2007) and 31 postings to
: the word.printingfonts newsgroup. I have posted to no other "support
: forums" (unless someone had crossposted a message I replied to).
:
:


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Two of those seven groups are "support forums."

On Aug 20, 3:00*pm, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:
We can take your word for it or take the word of Google that tracks and
maintains your profile. *Your profile shows 18350 posts and counting in 7
groups starting in July 2006.

--
Greg Maxey - *Word MVP

My web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org

"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in ...
On Aug 20, 9:07 am, "Greg Maxey"

wrote:
Peter,


Less some lurker assume that you have the corner on truth ...


I really have no interest in stalking you and if anyone had the slightest
interest in checking your facts they would quickly realize that I have
completely ignored nearly all of the 18+ thousand post and counting that
your have made in support forums within the last few years and most of the
ones that you have made recently.


That is, in fact, a lie. As of just now, according to the google
groups statistics, I have made 3257 postings to this newsgroup (over
the not quite two years that I have had Word2007) and 31 postings to
the word.printingfonts newsgroup. I have posted to no other "support
forums" (unless someone had crossposted a message I replied to).


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Tom,

Something similar has already been suggested. I'm game provided it comes
with a brace of pistols

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"Tom Willett" wrote in message
...
You guys need to get a room.

"Greg Maxey" wrote in message
...
: We can take your word for it or take the word of Google that tracks and
: maintains your profile. Your profile shows 18350 posts and counting in
7
: groups starting in July 2006.
:
: --
: Greg Maxey - Word MVP
:
: My web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org
: Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org
:
:
: "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message
:
...
: On Aug 20, 9:07 am, "Greg Maxey"
: wrote:
: Peter,
:
: Less some lurker assume that you have the corner on truth ...
:
: I really have no interest in stalking you and if anyone had the
slightest
: interest in checking your facts they would quickly realize that I have
: completely ignored nearly all of the 18+ thousand post and counting
that
: your have made in support forums within the last few years and most of
the
: ones that you have made recently.
:
: That is, in fact, a lie. As of just now, according to the google
: groups statistics, I have made 3257 postings to this newsgroup (over
: the not quite two years that I have had Word2007) and 31 postings to
: the word.printingfonts newsgroup. I have posted to no other "support
: forums" (unless someone had crossposted a message I replied to).
:
:




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On Aug 20, 3:47*pm, "Peter T. Daniels" wrote:
Two of those seven groups are "support forums."

On Aug 20, 3:00*pm, "Greg Maxey"



wrote:
We can take your word for it or take the word of Google that tracks and
maintains your profile. *Your profile shows 18350 posts and counting in 7
groups starting in July 2006.


--
Greg Maxey - *Word MVP


My web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org


"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in ...
On Aug 20, 9:07 am, "Greg Maxey"


wrote:
Peter,


Less some lurker assume that you have the corner on truth ...


I really have no interest in stalking you and if anyone had the slightest
interest in checking your facts they would quickly realize that I have
completely ignored nearly all of the 18+ thousand post and counting that
your have made in support forums within the last few years and most of the
ones that you have made recently.


That is, in fact, a lie. As of just now, according to the google
groups statistics, I have made 3257 postings to this newsgroup (over
the not quite two years that I have had Word2007) and 31 postings to
the word.printingfonts newsgroup. I have posted to no other "support
forums" (unless someone had crossposted a message I replied to).- Hide quoted text -


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Ah, so it it only 3257 and counting. 18350 and counting was an
error. I have posted about 500 times in the same period. So does
this mean:

"Greg Maxey is an experienced, albeit self-taught, programmer, and a
liar who has suddenly made it his business to stalk me and post inane
replies to everything I post."

.... was a lie? Or just nane?
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