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1st page turns into "odd" when # inserted
Page setup = different odd & even; different 1st page
Same as Previous = Off Version = 2002 (I think.) My manuscript requires different headers for first, even, and odd pages. Page numbers are in the footers. When I insert the page number into the first page, it turns that page into an odd page and replaces first page with odd page formatting. I've formatted dozens of other manuscripts and can't figure out what is different about this one. Help! |
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I'm not sure what's going on with your document, but you can start
by checking this: Is "Different odd and even" and "Different first page" is enabled for all sections of your document? Is "Same as Previous" turned off for *all* headers and footers of each section? -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "tinhorn" wrote in message ... Page setup = different odd & even; different 1st page Same as Previous = Off Version = 2002 (I think.) My manuscript requires different headers for first, even, and odd pages. Page numbers are in the footers. When I insert the page number into the first page, it turns that page into an odd page and replaces first page with odd page formatting. I've formatted dozens of other manuscripts and can't figure out what is different about this one. Help! |
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Yes, those were the first things I checked, too.
I got numbers to appear by deleting them all, then inserting them from the header/footer toolbar instead of Insert, Page Number function, but I had to center them - no "outside" option. |
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Ah, if you're using Insert | Page Numbers in a complex document, then
prepare for problems. Much better in such cases to use Insert Page Number on the Header and Footer toolbar. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "tinhorn" wrote in message news Yes, those were the first things I checked, too. I got numbers to appear by deleting them all, then inserting them from the header/footer toolbar instead of Insert, Page Number function, but I had to center them - no "outside" option. |
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Using the header/footer toolbar is the recommended way to insert page
numbers in Word (although InsertPage Numbers seems to easy!). Since you have "Different odd and even" enabled, you can position the page number differently on odd and even pages (corresponding to the "Outside" option in the Page Numbers dialog box). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "tinhorn" wrote in message news Yes, those were the first things I checked, too. I got numbers to appear by deleting them all, then inserting them from the header/footer toolbar instead of Insert, Page Number function, but I had to center them - no "outside" option. |
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Thanks, but y'see, using the header/footer bar, I can specify left or right
justification, but not outside. Outside is an option only when using the Insert feature. I'm formatting books and the first page of a chapter could be either odd or even numbered. Unless you know where to find the "outside" option from the header/footer toolbar... "Stefan Blom" wrote: Using the header/footer toolbar is the recommended way to insert page numbers in Word (although InsertPage Numbers seems to easy!). Since you have "Different odd and even" enabled, you can position the page number differently on odd and even pages (corresponding to the "Outside" option in the Page Numbers dialog box). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "tinhorn" wrote in message news Yes, those were the first things I checked, too. I got numbers to appear by deleting them all, then inserting them from the header/footer toolbar instead of Insert, Page Number function, but I had to center them - no "outside" option. |
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Outside of what? You can change the left and right indents to make your
header/footer margins wider than the page. If you are trying to put the page number up in the middle margins, you can do it with a frame (still inserted within the header/footer view). I put stuff, including fields, all over my documents using headers and footers. -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "tinhorn" wrote in message ... Thanks, but y'see, using the header/footer bar, I can specify left or right justification, but not outside. Outside is an option only when using the Insert feature. I'm formatting books and the first page of a chapter could be either odd or even numbered. Unless you know where to find the "outside" option from the header/footer toolbar... "Stefan Blom" wrote: Using the header/footer toolbar is the recommended way to insert page numbers in Word (although InsertPage Numbers seems to easy!). Since you have "Different odd and even" enabled, you can position the page number differently on odd and even pages (corresponding to the "Outside" option in the Page Numbers dialog box). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "tinhorn" wrote in message news Yes, those were the first things I checked, too. I got numbers to appear by deleting them all, then inserting them from the header/footer toolbar instead of Insert, Page Number function, but I had to center them - no "outside" option. |
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I usually make the first page of a chapter odd by default (using an "Odd
page" section break), but if not, I center the page number in the First Page Footer, then put the page number in the header for the remaining pages, left (outside) on verso pages (Even Page Header) and right (outside) on recto pages (Odd Page Header). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "tinhorn" wrote in message ... Thanks, but y'see, using the header/footer bar, I can specify left or right justification, but not outside. Outside is an option only when using the Insert feature. I'm formatting books and the first page of a chapter could be either odd or even numbered. Unless you know where to find the "outside" option from the header/footer toolbar... "Stefan Blom" wrote: Using the header/footer toolbar is the recommended way to insert page numbers in Word (although InsertPage Numbers seems to easy!). Since you have "Different odd and even" enabled, you can position the page number differently on odd and even pages (corresponding to the "Outside" option in the Page Numbers dialog box). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "tinhorn" wrote in message news Yes, those were the first things I checked, too. I got numbers to appear by deleting them all, then inserting them from the header/footer toolbar instead of Insert, Page Number function, but I had to center them - no "outside" option. |
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This might be my best option. Some clients want page numbers on the bottom,
though. I guess in those cases I could create an entirely separate document for front matter and join the PDF files. Cheesy, but it works. Thanks for all your help! "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I usually make the first page of a chapter odd by default (using an "Odd page" section break), but if not, I center the page number in the First Page Footer, then put the page number in the header for the remaining pages, left (outside) on verso pages (Even Page Header) and right (outside) on recto pages (Odd Page Header). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "tinhorn" wrote in message ... Thanks, but y'see, using the header/footer bar, I can specify left or right justification, but not outside. Outside is an option only when using the Insert feature. I'm formatting books and the first page of a chapter could be either odd or even numbered. Unless you know where to find the "outside" option from the header/footer toolbar... "Stefan Blom" wrote: Using the header/footer toolbar is the recommended way to insert page numbers in Word (although InsertPage Numbers seems to easy!). Since you have "Different odd and even" enabled, you can position the page number differently on odd and even pages (corresponding to the "Outside" option in the Page Numbers dialog box). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "tinhorn" wrote in message news Yes, those were the first things I checked, too. I got numbers to appear by deleting them all, then inserting them from the header/footer toolbar instead of Insert, Page Number function, but I had to center them - no "outside" option. |
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There's no reason you can't put the page numbers in the footer on every
page; in fact, I just finished a book with drop folios on every page and distinct recto and verso running heads. For more technical documents and reports, page numbers in the header are often preferred, though. Actually, if you put the page numbers in a frame or text box, you can put them anywhere; some very attractive books have "running heads" running vertically (rotated 90 degrees) in the outside margins. Wrt front matter, see http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...rontMatter.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "tinhorn" wrote in message ... This might be my best option. Some clients want page numbers on the bottom, though. I guess in those cases I could create an entirely separate document for front matter and join the PDF files. Cheesy, but it works. Thanks for all your help! "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I usually make the first page of a chapter odd by default (using an "Odd page" section break), but if not, I center the page number in the First Page Footer, then put the page number in the header for the remaining pages, left (outside) on verso pages (Even Page Header) and right (outside) on recto pages (Odd Page Header). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "tinhorn" wrote in message ... Thanks, but y'see, using the header/footer bar, I can specify left or right justification, but not outside. Outside is an option only when using the Insert feature. I'm formatting books and the first page of a chapter could be either odd or even numbered. Unless you know where to find the "outside" option from the header/footer toolbar... "Stefan Blom" wrote: Using the header/footer toolbar is the recommended way to insert page numbers in Word (although InsertPage Numbers seems to easy!). Since you have "Different odd and even" enabled, you can position the page number differently on odd and even pages (corresponding to the "Outside" option in the Page Numbers dialog box). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "tinhorn" wrote in message news Yes, those were the first things I checked, too. I got numbers to appear by deleting them all, then inserting them from the header/footer toolbar instead of Insert, Page Number function, but I had to center them - no "outside" option. |
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Quite an impressive tutorial, Suzanne! I learned something! (Not the source
of my dilemma, though.) On my own books I can be flexible, but customers are sometimes very specific and I hate to admit there's something I can't do. Fortunately, this problem was on one of my own books. Just as you wrote, I use three sets of headers/footers - first page, odd, and even. But when I went to my first First Page in the troublesome document, as soon as I clicked Insert Page Number, that page transformed from a first page to an odd page, with odd page formatting in the header. I'm sure there's just some incompatible weirdness I somehow placed into the document. I've learned that I can't insert bitmap images if I'm using Acrobat 6 to create a PDF, and that I can't use godaddy email if my AVG email virus scan is on. I was hoping to discover what idiosyncratic oddity I'd discovered in this document. I'll have to settle for the perverse satisfaction of having stumped the best of the best! I hope you don't mind if I post a link to your great tuorial on Lulu.com. tinhorn "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: There's no reason you can't put the page numbers in the footer on every page; in fact, I just finished a book with drop folios on every page and distinct recto and verso running heads. For more technical documents and reports, page numbers in the header are often preferred, though. Actually, if you put the page numbers in a frame or text box, you can put them anywhere; some very attractive books have "running heads" running vertically (rotated 90 degrees) in the outside margins. Wrt front matter, see http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...rontMatter.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "tinhorn" wrote in message ... This might be my best option. Some clients want page numbers on the bottom, though. I guess in those cases I could create an entirely separate document for front matter and join the PDF files. Cheesy, but it works. Thanks for all your help! "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I usually make the first page of a chapter odd by default (using an "Odd page" section break), but if not, I center the page number in the First Page Footer, then put the page number in the header for the remaining pages, left (outside) on verso pages (Even Page Header) and right (outside) on recto pages (Odd Page Header). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "tinhorn" wrote in message ... Thanks, but y'see, using the header/footer bar, I can specify left or right justification, but not outside. Outside is an option only when using the Insert feature. I'm formatting books and the first page of a chapter could be either odd or even numbered. Unless you know where to find the "outside" option from the header/footer toolbar... "Stefan Blom" wrote: Using the header/footer toolbar is the recommended way to insert page numbers in Word (although InsertPage Numbers seems to easy!). Since you have "Different odd and even" enabled, you can position the page number differently on odd and even pages (corresponding to the "Outside" option in the Page Numbers dialog box). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "tinhorn" wrote in message news Yes, those were the first things I checked, too. I got numbers to appear by deleting them all, then inserting them from the header/footer toolbar instead of Insert, Page Number function, but I had to center them - no "outside" option. |
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You can align the text of odd page footers (or headers) to the right
and the text of even page footers to the left. To position page numbers outside the margins, use a negative indent (a negative right indent for right-aligned text and a negative left indent for left-aligned text). If your footers (headers) also contain other data, you may have to use tab stops instead of paragraph alignment. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "tinhorn" wrote in message ... Thanks, but y'see, using the header/footer bar, I can specify left or right justification, but not outside. Outside is an option only when using the Insert feature. I'm formatting books and the first page of a chapter could be either odd or even numbered. Unless you know where to find the "outside" option from the header/footer toolbar... "Stefan Blom" wrote: Using the header/footer toolbar is the recommended way to insert page numbers in Word (although InsertPage Numbers seems to easy!). Since you have "Different odd and even" enabled, you can position the page number differently on odd and even pages (corresponding to the "Outside" option in the Page Numbers dialog box). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "tinhorn" wrote in message news Yes, those were the first things I checked, too. I got numbers to appear by deleting them all, then inserting them from the header/footer toolbar instead of Insert, Page Number function, but I had to center them - no "outside" option. |
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If the page number you're inserting is an odd number (that is, if you have
numbering set to restart at 1 for a given section), then a Continuous break might well become an Odd Page break. When you're using mirror margins and/or "Different odd/even," Word assumes you will be duplexing and insists on viewing an odd-numbered page as a recto page (which it should be). Beyond that, I've lost track of the thread. As to linking, each page at word.mvps.org has a link to the Terms of Use at http://word.mvps.org/TermsofUse.htm. I believe simple linking is permitted without any further formality, and an icon is provided if you want to use it. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "tinhorn" wrote in message ... Quite an impressive tutorial, Suzanne! I learned something! (Not the source of my dilemma, though.) On my own books I can be flexible, but customers are sometimes very specific and I hate to admit there's something I can't do. Fortunately, this problem was on one of my own books. Just as you wrote, I use three sets of headers/footers - first page, odd, and even. But when I went to my first First Page in the troublesome document, as soon as I clicked Insert Page Number, that page transformed from a first page to an odd page, with odd page formatting in the header. I'm sure there's just some incompatible weirdness I somehow placed into the document. I've learned that I can't insert bitmap images if I'm using Acrobat 6 to create a PDF, and that I can't use godaddy email if my AVG virus scan is on. I was hoping to discover what idiosyncratic oddity I'd discovered in this document. I'll have to settle for the perverse satisfaction of having stumped the best of the best! I hope you don't mind if I post a link to your great tuorial on Lulu.com. tinhorn "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: There's no reason you can't put the page numbers in the footer on every page; in fact, I just finished a book with drop folios on every page and distinct recto and verso running heads. For more technical documents and reports, page numbers in the header are often preferred, though. Actually, if you put the page numbers in a frame or text box, you can put them anywhere; some very attractive books have "running heads" running vertically (rotated 90 degrees) in the outside margins. Wrt front matter, see http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...rontMatter.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "tinhorn" wrote in message ... This might be my best option. Some clients want page numbers on the bottom, though. I guess in those cases I could create an entirely separate document for front matter and join the PDF files. Cheesy, but it works. Thanks for all your help! "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I usually make the first page of a chapter odd by default (using an "Odd page" section break), but if not, I center the page number in the First Page Footer, then put the page number in the header for the remaining pages, left (outside) on verso pages (Even Page Header) and right (outside) on recto pages (Odd Page Header). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "tinhorn" wrote in message ... Thanks, but y'see, using the header/footer bar, I can specify left or right justification, but not outside. Outside is an option only when using the Insert feature. I'm formatting books and the first page of a chapter could be either odd or even numbered. Unless you know where to find the "outside" option from the header/footer toolbar... "Stefan Blom" wrote: Using the header/footer toolbar is the recommended way to insert page numbers in Word (although InsertPage Numbers seems to easy!). Since you have "Different odd and even" enabled, you can position the page number differently on odd and even pages (corresponding to the "Outside" option in the Page Numbers dialog box). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "tinhorn" wrote in message news Yes, those were the first things I checked, too. I got numbers to appear by deleting them all, then inserting them from the header/footer toolbar instead of Insert, Page Number function, but I had to center them - no "outside" option. |
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