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Strange ASCII character and Tab Stops in Header
This is my first post. I hope I've gotten my question in the proper area.
I'm somewhere between beginner and intermediate working with forms and the following is a problem I'm having with some text form fields and using style refs in headers. I have a proposal form with 5 separate sections. Three of the 5 sections are protected. We have a format for our proposals where we want the scope of work centered in the header then on a second line in the header we have the Project Name left aligned and then the Proposal number right aligned. Again, all this information is reflected in the header. I've tried to accomplish this via 2 different methods. It is important to note that one of the unprotected sections in this document is the body of the letter (we do a letter format for all our proposals due to the descriptive nature of our work, environmental consulting). Where I'm running into a problem is when the unprotected body portion of this forms runs onto a 2nd page Word does not adopt the tab settings of the first page of the document for the second page and also it appears that an additional carriage return is causing the 2nd line of the header to go to a third line. I have searched for a solution for universally setting the header tab stops (so that additional pages created will adopt the same header format/style). It is worth mentioning that I think the problem I have is that for whatever reason the left aligned ANYTHING in the header seems to arbitrarily add a carriage return. You will note the similarity with having the same problem using a table as described below. The second method I tried to use was by placing a table in the header instead of using the tab stops. For whatever reason the cell that is aligned for the left aligned information inserts a square object (ASCII for carriage return I think) immediately following the last character in the header. This only seems to happen in the cell that is left aligning. Again, ultimately, I believe the problem is somehow related to a carriage return being always automatically entered for anything that is left aligned in the header. Anyone got any ideas on how to prevent this from happening? |
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Thank you Suzanne for your quick response.
I need to clarify a couple of things I think. The "square" that appears at the end of the text when I use a table to try to get the header to align properly is not the end of cell character. It is an actual square, well more like a rectangle, the end of cell character to my knowledge does not print on documents. The rectangular/squarish object that appears DOES print on documents which we can live with if there isn't a work around, it just does not look perfectly professional to me. Further, when I use the table method with STYLEREF, for whatever reason the rectangular/squarish object only appears in the STYLEREF area for the left aligned cell. Further, the object also only appears in the header of pages that are a continuation of a previous page. The subsequent pages that are separated by a page break for the Proposal Acknowledgement Form and Terms & Conditions do not have this character in the header. So, it must also have something to do with extra pages that are creating when filling in the unprotected section of the body of the letter. I suppose that because of the behavior (an obvious paragraph/return) when I don't use tables, I'm assuming that the squarish object is ASCII for a return. If necessary, I can send you the document for you to see what I'm seeing. I've done substatial playing around with both the plain tab aligned header and the table/cell aligned header. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you paste material into a header, you'll find that an extra, empty paragraph is always added. You can delete this. Note also that if you're using the default Header style but want only text left-aligned and right-aligned, you'll want to delete the center tab stop in the center. If you leave it in, then you need two tab characters for short text (that doesn't reach the tab stop), but longer text will overrun it, causing your right-aligned material to go to the next line. If your headers are set up correctly, it's likely that you have enabled "Different first page." In this case your First Page Header and Header are actually different, so changing the tab settings in one does not affect the other unless you actually modify the Header style. The "square object" you are referring to is the end-of-cell marker. If you increase the zoom, you'll see it's actually character 0164 the "universal monetary symbol"; see http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/NonPrintChars.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Christy Longgrear" Christy wrote in message ... This is my first post. I hope I've gotten my question in the proper area. I'm somewhere between beginner and intermediate working with forms and the following is a problem I'm having with some text form fields and using style refs in headers. I have a proposal form with 5 separate sections. Three of the 5 sections are protected. We have a format for our proposals where we want the scope of work centered in the header then on a second line in the header we have the Project Name left aligned and then the Proposal number right aligned. Again, all this information is reflected in the header. I've tried to accomplish this via 2 different methods. It is important to note that one of the unprotected sections in this document is the body of the letter (we do a letter format for all our proposals due to the descriptive nature of our work, environmental consulting). Where I'm running into a problem is when the unprotected body portion of this forms runs onto a 2nd page Word does not adopt the tab settings of the first page of the document for the second page and also it appears that an additional carriage return is causing the 2nd line of the header to go to a third line. I have searched for a solution for universally setting the header tab stops (so that additional pages created will adopt the same header format/style). It is worth mentioning that I think the problem I have is that for whatever reason the left aligned ANYTHING in the header seems to arbitrarily add a carriage return. You will note the similarity with having the same problem using a table as described below. The second method I tried to use was by placing a table in the header instead of using the tab stops. For whatever reason the cell that is aligned for the left aligned information inserts a square object (ASCII for carriage return I think) immediately following the last character in the header. This only seems to happen in the cell that is left aligning. Again, ultimately, I believe the problem is somehow related to a carriage return being always automatically entered for anything that is left aligned in the header. Anyone got any ideas on how to prevent this from happening? |
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Strange ASCII character and Tab Stops in Header
Yes, send me the doc and I'll have a look.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Christy Longgrear" wrote in message ... Thank you Suzanne for your quick response. I need to clarify a couple of things I think. The "square" that appears at the end of the text when I use a table to try to get the header to align properly is not the end of cell character. It is an actual square, well more like a rectangle, the end of cell character to my knowledge does not print on documents. The rectangular/squarish object that appears DOES print on documents which we can live with if there isn't a work around, it just does not look perfectly professional to me. Further, when I use the table method with STYLEREF, for whatever reason the rectangular/squarish object only appears in the STYLEREF area for the left aligned cell. Further, the object also only appears in the header of pages that are a continuation of a previous page. The subsequent pages that are separated by a page break for the Proposal Acknowledgement Form and Terms & Conditions do not have this character in the header. So, it must also have something to do with extra pages that are creating when filling in the unprotected section of the body of the letter. I suppose that because of the behavior (an obvious paragraph/return) when I don't use tables, I'm assuming that the squarish object is ASCII for a return. If necessary, I can send you the document for you to see what I'm seeing. I've done substatial playing around with both the plain tab aligned header and the table/cell aligned header. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you paste material into a header, you'll find that an extra, empty paragraph is always added. You can delete this. Note also that if you're using the default Header style but want only text left-aligned and right-aligned, you'll want to delete the center tab stop in the center. If you leave it in, then you need two tab characters for short text (that doesn't reach the tab stop), but longer text will overrun it, causing your right-aligned material to go to the next line. If your headers are set up correctly, it's likely that you have enabled "Different first page." In this case your First Page Header and Header are actually different, so changing the tab settings in one does not affect the other unless you actually modify the Header style. The "square object" you are referring to is the end-of-cell marker. If you increase the zoom, you'll see it's actually character 0164 the "universal monetary symbol"; see http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/NonPrintChars.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Christy Longgrear" Christy wrote in message ... This is my first post. I hope I've gotten my question in the proper area. I'm somewhere between beginner and intermediate working with forms and the following is a problem I'm having with some text form fields and using style refs in headers. I have a proposal form with 5 separate sections. Three of the 5 sections are protected. We have a format for our proposals where we want the scope of work centered in the header then on a second line in the header we have the Project Name left aligned and then the Proposal number right aligned. Again, all this information is reflected in the header. I've tried to accomplish this via 2 different methods. It is important to note that one of the unprotected sections in this document is the body of the letter (we do a letter format for all our proposals due to the descriptive nature of our work, environmental consulting). Where I'm running into a problem is when the unprotected body portion of this forms runs onto a 2nd page Word does not adopt the tab settings of the first page of the document for the second page and also it appears that an additional carriage return is causing the 2nd line of the header to go to a third line. I have searched for a solution for universally setting the header tab stops (so that additional pages created will adopt the same header format/style). It is worth mentioning that I think the problem I have is that for whatever reason the left aligned ANYTHING in the header seems to arbitrarily add a carriage return. You will note the similarity with having the same problem using a table as described below. The second method I tried to use was by placing a table in the header instead of using the tab stops. For whatever reason the cell that is aligned for the left aligned information inserts a square object (ASCII for carriage return I think) immediately following the last character in the header. This only seems to happen in the cell that is left aligning. Again, ultimately, I believe the problem is somehow related to a carriage return being always automatically entered for anything that is left aligned in the header. Anyone got any ideas on how to prevent this from happening? |