I'm wondering if someone could check something strange. I have Word 2003,
SP2 & all updates.

1. I enter a text formfield & call the bookmark "name".
2. I copy & Paste Special/Paste link the formfield to some point below the
original.

At this point, it updates the way it should.

3. Now I enter three more fields somewhere in the document: a text
formfield, a formula, & another text formfield.

{ FORMTEXT } (which I bookmarked Quantity, & then the following IF field)

{ IF { REF Quantity } 101 "{ ={ REF Quantity }*50 }" "{ IF { REF Quantity
} 501 "{ ={ REF Quantity }*25 }" "{ ={ REF Quantity }*20 }" }" }

{ FORMTEXT }

My IF field updates fine. Then I do the following:
1. I tab to the name field & type a name.
2. I tab or shift+tab to the next field & the OLE field updates.
3. I tab or shift+tab to a couple more formfields, the name in the OLE
field disappears. The only way to get it back is to go back to the original
formfield & retype the name.

I read http://support.microsoft.com/kb/895481/en-us, which is a description
of a hotfix from March 11, 2005, describing this problem (about a 1/3 of the
way down the page, just before the red font). But that issue was supposedly
resolved in SP2.

Can anyone who uses Word 2003 test this out or give me a solution?
--
Thanks,
Phil

Instead of using CopyPaste Special, you should insert a cross reference to
the text of the bookmark "name" and in the Properties dialog for that
formfield, you should check the "Calculate on exit" box.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Phil Rabichow" wrote in message
...
I'm wondering if someone could check something strange. I have Word 2003,
SP2 & all updates.

1. I enter a text formfield & call the bookmark "name".
2. I copy & Paste Special/Paste link the formfield to some point below
the
original.

At this point, it updates the way it should.

3. Now I enter three more fields somewhere in the document: a text
formfield, a formula, & another text formfield.

{ FORMTEXT } (which I bookmarked Quantity, & then the following IF
field)

{ IF { REF Quantity } 101 "{ ={ REF Quantity }*50 }" "{ IF { REF
Quantity
} 501 "{ ={ REF Quantity }*25 }" "{ ={ REF Quantity }*20 }" }" }

{ FORMTEXT }

My IF field updates fine. Then I do the following:
1. I tab to the name field & type a name.
2. I tab or shift+tab to the next field & the OLE field updates.
3. I tab or shift+tab to a couple more formfields, the name in the OLE
field disappears. The only way to get it back is to go back to the
original
formfield & retype the name.

I read http://support.microsoft.com/kb/895481/en-us, which is a
description
of a hotfix from March 11, 2005, describing this problem (about a 1/3 of
the
way down the page, just before the red font). But that issue was
supposedly
resolved in SP2.

Can anyone who uses Word 2003 test this out or give me a solution?
--
Thanks,
Phil

Hi Doug:
Thanks for responding. Yes, using the REF field does work. It's just that the
copyPaste Special should work, also. I've also selected the formfield. right
clicked & dragged it, & chosen "Link here". That, of course, gives me the same
result as Paste Special.

With a little more experimenting, I found that the problem exists even when I
don't have the IF field in the form. Once I tab to a previous formfield & back,
the OLE field result disappears.

I just can't figure out why the Paste Special updates when I tab out to the next
(or previous) formfield, & then disappears when I tab further in a protected
form. Does this happen with your version of Word?
--
Thanks again,
Phil

Doug Robbins - Word MVP wrote:

Instead of using CopyPaste Special, you should insert a cross reference to
the text of the bookmark "name" and in the Properties dialog for that
formfield, you should check the "Calculate on exit" box.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Phil Rabichow" wrote in message
...
I'm wondering if someone could check something strange. I have Word 2003,
SP2 & all updates.

1. I enter a text formfield & call the bookmark "name".
2. I copy & Paste Special/Paste link the formfield to some point below
the
original.

At this point, it updates the way it should.

3. Now I enter three more fields somewhere in the document: a text
formfield, a formula, & another text formfield.

{ FORMTEXT } (which I bookmarked Quantity, & then the following IF
field)

{ IF { REF Quantity } 101 "{ ={ REF Quantity }*50 }" "{ IF { REF
Quantity
} 501 "{ ={ REF Quantity }*25 }" "{ ={ REF Quantity }*20 }" }" }

{ FORMTEXT }

My IF field updates fine. Then I do the following:
1. I tab to the name field & type a name.
2. I tab or shift+tab to the next field & the OLE field updates.
3. I tab or shift+tab to a couple more formfields, the name in the OLE
field disappears. The only way to get it back is to go back to the
original
formfield & retype the name.

I read http://support.microsoft.com/kb/895481/en-us, which is a
description
of a hotfix from March 11, 2005, describing this problem (about a 1/3 of
the
way down the page, just before the red font). But that issue was
supposedly
resolved in SP2.

Can anyone who uses Word 2003 test this out or give me a solution?
--
Thanks,
Phil

Using a Ref field works. Why bother with one that doesn't?

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Phil Rabichow" wrote in message
...
Hi Doug:
Thanks for responding. Yes, using the REF field does work. It's just
that the
copyPaste Special should work, also. I've also selected the formfield.
right
clicked & dragged it, & chosen "Link here". That, of course, gives me the
same
result as Paste Special.

With a little more experimenting, I found that the problem exists even
when I
don't have the IF field in the form. Once I tab to a previous formfield &
back,
the OLE field result disappears.

I just can't figure out why the Paste Special updates when I tab out to
the next
(or previous) formfield, & then disappears when I tab further in a
protected
form. Does this happen with your version of Word?
--
Thanks again,
Phil

Doug Robbins - Word MVP wrote:

Instead of using CopyPaste Special, you should insert a cross reference
to
the text of the bookmark "name" and in the Properties dialog for that
formfield, you should check the "Calculate on exit" box.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"Phil Rabichow" wrote in message
...
I'm wondering if someone could check something strange. I have Word
2003,
SP2 & all updates.

1. I enter a text formfield & call the bookmark "name".
2. I copy & Paste Special/Paste link the formfield to some point below
the
original.

At this point, it updates the way it should.

3. Now I enter three more fields somewhere in the document: a text
formfield, a formula, & another text formfield.

{ FORMTEXT } (which I bookmarked Quantity, & then the following IF
field)

{ IF { REF Quantity } 101 "{ ={ REF Quantity }*50 }" "{ IF { REF
Quantity
} 501 "{ ={ REF Quantity }*25 }" "{ ={ REF Quantity }*20 }" }" }

{ FORMTEXT }

My IF field updates fine. Then I do the following:
1. I tab to the name field & type a name.
2. I tab or shift+tab to the next field & the OLE field updates.
3. I tab or shift+tab to a couple more formfields, the name in the OLE
field disappears. The only way to get it back is to go back to the
original
formfield & retype the name.

I read http://support.microsoft.com/kb/895481/en-us, which is a
description
of a hotfix from March 11, 2005, describing this problem (about a 1/3
of
the
way down the page, just before the red font). But that issue was
supposedly
resolved in SP2.

Can anyone who uses Word 2003 test this out or give me a solution?
--
Thanks,
Phil

Hi Phil,

I *think* what's happening here has nothing to do with a bug. It's a function
of how OLE link is designed to work in this case. The LINK field updates when
the bookmarked content it references CHANGES. The REF field updates when the
*field* receives the command to update. But apparently, if you force the
update on the LINK field containing a form field, it updates to the formfield
default (put something in the default box and you'll see it).

If I try this with bookmarked text - no formfield - the information doesn't
change when fields update.

I'm wondering if someone could check something strange. I have Word 2003,
SP2 & all updates.

1. I enter a text formfield & call the bookmark "name".
2. I copy & Paste Special/Paste link the formfield to some point below the
original.

At this point, it updates the way it should.

3. Now I enter three more fields somewhere in the document: a text
formfield, a formula, & another text formfield.

{ FORMTEXT } (which I bookmarked Quantity, & then the following IF field)

{ IF { REF Quantity } 101 "{ ={ REF Quantity }*50 }" "{ IF { REF Quantity
} 501 "{ ={ REF Quantity }*25 }" "{ ={ REF Quantity }*20 }" }" }

{ FORMTEXT }

My IF field updates fine. Then I do the following:
1. I tab to the name field & type a name.
2. I tab or shift+tab to the next field & the OLE field updates.
3. I tab or shift+tab to a couple more formfields, the name in the OLE
field disappears. The only way to get it back is to go back to the original
formfield & retype the name.

I read http://support.microsoft.com/kb/895481/en-us, which is a description
of a hotfix from March 11, 2005, describing this problem (about a 1/3 of the
way down the page, just before the red font). But that issue was supposedly
resolved in SP2.


Cindy Meister
INTER-Solutions, Switzerland
http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005)
http://www.word.mvps.org

This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or
reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-)

Hi Doug & Cindy:
Thanks to both of you for responding.

Doug, you're right that I can use something that works. It's just that I wasn't
sure if one of my Office updates didn't really work, despite the fact that
Help/About says SP2. I had a previous problem with SP2 not fixing something it
was supposed to fix.

Cindy: Yes, I think that's what's happening; I just never noticed it before. The
article does make me think it could be a bug, as I would think that at least some
people use the right click menu to create protected forms. I guess I'm always
experimenting. g
--
Phil

Cindy M -WordMVP- wrote:

Hi Phil,

I *think* what's happening here has nothing to do with a bug. It's a function
of how OLE link is designed to work in this case. The LINK field updates when
the bookmarked content it references CHANGES. The REF field updates when the
*field* receives the command to update. But apparently, if you force the
update on the LINK field containing a form field, it updates to the formfield
default (put something in the default box and you'll see it).

If I try this with bookmarked text - no formfield - the information doesn't
change when fields update.

I'm wondering if someone could check something strange. I have Word 2003,
SP2 & all updates.

1. I enter a text formfield & call the bookmark "name".
2. I copy & Paste Special/Paste link the formfield to some point below the
original.

At this point, it updates the way it should.

3. Now I enter three more fields somewhere in the document: a text
formfield, a formula, & another text formfield.

{ FORMTEXT } (which I bookmarked Quantity, & then the following IF field)

{ IF { REF Quantity } 101 "{ ={ REF Quantity }*50 }" "{ IF { REF Quantity
} 501 "{ ={ REF Quantity }*25 }" "{ ={ REF Quantity }*20 }" }" }

{ FORMTEXT }

My IF field updates fine. Then I do the following:
1. I tab to the name field & type a name.
2. I tab or shift+tab to the next field & the OLE field updates.
3. I tab or shift+tab to a couple more formfields, the name in the OLE
field disappears. The only way to get it back is to go back to the original
formfield & retype the name.

I read http://support.microsoft.com/kb/895481/en-us, which is a description
of a hotfix from March 11, 2005, describing this problem (about a 1/3 of the
way down the page, just before the red font). But that issue was supposedly
resolved in SP2.


Cindy Meister
INTER-Solutions, Switzerland
http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005)
http://www.word.mvps.org

This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or
reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-)

Hi Phil,

I guess I'm always
experimenting. g

A person after my own heart :-) Keep 'em coming!

Cindy Meister