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dianaiad
 
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I am doing extensive quoting of Chaucer's "Canterbury Tales". The poem
needs to have line numbers, but I do NOT want the explanatory text and
the title to be included in the line count. I've seen how to apply line
numbers to the entire text, but how do I apply it to only PART of the
text, just the quoted poetry?

Oh, and how do I fix the footnotes so that there is no superscript in
the main document, and the footnotes (which will refer back to the line
numbers) still appear at the bottom of the page?

help?

Diana

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Jay Freedman
 
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dianaiad wrote:
I am doing extensive quoting of Chaucer's "Canterbury Tales". The poem
needs to have line numbers, but I do NOT want the explanatory text and
the title to be included in the line count. I've seen how to apply
line numbers to the entire text, but how do I apply it to only PART
of the text, just the quoted poetry?


Whether line numbers display is a section-level property. Insert a
continuous section break between the explanatory text and the poetry, and
enable line numbers only in the poetry section. Note that you can't
automatically continue the line numbering sequence from one poetry section
to the next if there is a non-numbered section between them; each section
will start at 1 or whatever you set in the Line Numbers dialog.

Oh, and how do I fix the footnotes so that there is no superscript in
the main document, and the footnotes (which will refer back to the
line numbers) still appear at the bottom of the page?


I don't think it's possible to make footnote numbers take their values from
line numbers. You can choose the nonbreaking space (Alt+0160) as the custom
footnote symbol so that no number appears either in the text *or* in the
footnote, and manually refer to the line number. Because the line numbers of
the quoted poetry won't change, that's probably acceptable here, but there's
no way to automate it.

--
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org


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Daiya Mitchell
 
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Questions--

What version of Word?

Are you trying to number a lot of small sections of quoting intermingled
with regular text (e.g., 1 or 2 blocks on every page), or do you just have
one big chunk of quoting that you need to number (e.g., big chunk at the
beginning, then pages of regular text)? (either is possible, but the
technique would be very different)

If multiple blocks of numbered lines, do you want the numbers to be a
continuous series for the entire document, or to restart with each block of
text, or to restart each page.

As far as the footnotes go--I would create your footnotes as usual. Start
the text of each footnote with the line number you are referencing. Then
(and it will be easier to do this at the end of composing/editing, I
suspect), Modify the Footnote Reference style to be Hidden so that the
numbers don't show up, in either the text or the note. For how, see he
http://shaunakelly.com/word/styles/ModifyAStyle.html


On 10/18/05 11:53 AM, "dianaiad" wrote:

I am doing extensive quoting of Chaucer's "Canterbury Tales". The poem
needs to have line numbers, but I do NOT want the explanatory text and
the title to be included in the line count. I've seen how to apply line
numbers to the entire text, but how do I apply it to only PART of the
text, just the quoted poetry?

Oh, and how do I fix the footnotes so that there is no superscript in
the main document, and the footnotes (which will refer back to the line
numbers) still appear at the bottom of the page?

help?

Diana


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Suzanne S. Barnhill
 
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I hate to disagree with both Jay and Daiya, but line numbers are NOT
(entirely) a section property, and you CAN continue them after an unnumbered
portion of text, provided you just want to suppress the numbering for
specific paragraphs (as it seems you do). Set line numbering as Continuous.
Select the paragraph(s) you want unnumbered and use Format | Paragraph |
Line and Page Breaks: "Suppress line numbers" to discontinue numbering for
the selected text.

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Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"dianaiad" wrote in message
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I am doing extensive quoting of Chaucer's "Canterbury Tales". The poem
needs to have line numbers, but I do NOT want the explanatory text and
the title to be included in the line count. I've seen how to apply line
numbers to the entire text, but how do I apply it to only PART of the
text, just the quoted poetry?

Oh, and how do I fix the footnotes so that there is no superscript in
the main document, and the footnotes (which will refer back to the line
numbers) still appear at the bottom of the page?

help?

Diana


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dianaiad
 
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Jay Freedman wrote:
dianaiad wrote:
I am doing extensive quoting of Chaucer's "Canterbury Tales". The poem
needs to have line numbers, but I do NOT want the explanatory text and
the title to be included in the line count. I've seen how to apply
line numbers to the entire text, but how do I apply it to only PART
of the text, just the quoted poetry?


Whether line numbers display is a section-level property. Insert a
continuous section break between the explanatory text and the poetry, and
enable line numbers only in the poetry section. Note that you can't
automatically continue the line numbering sequence from one poetry section
to the next if there is a non-numbered section between them; each section
will start at 1 or whatever you set in the Line Numbers dialog.


Thank you, Jay; in this case, your solution works perfectly; the main
quote was one very long section of text.

I manually inserted the line numbers in the smaller, interspersed
quotes.

Oh, and how do I fix the footnotes so that there is no superscript in
the main document, and the footnotes (which will refer back to the
line numbers) still appear at the bottom of the page?


I don't think it's possible to make footnote numbers take their values from
line numbers. You can choose the nonbreaking space (Alt+0160) as the custom
footnote symbol so that no number appears either in the text *or* in the
footnote, and manually refer to the line number. Because the line numbers of
the quoted poetry won't change, that's probably acceptable here, but there's
no way to automate it.


Oh dear.

How do I do that?

Diana



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Jay Freedman
 
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dianaiad wrote:
Jay Freedman wrote:
dianaiad wrote:
I am doing extensive quoting of Chaucer's "Canterbury Tales". The
poem needs to have line numbers, but I do NOT want the explanatory
text and the title to be included in the line count. I've seen how
to apply line numbers to the entire text, but how do I apply it to
only PART of the text, just the quoted poetry?


Whether line numbers display is a section-level property. Insert a
continuous section break between the explanatory text and the
poetry, and enable line numbers only in the poetry section. Note
that you can't automatically continue the line numbering sequence
from one poetry section to the next if there is a non-numbered
section between them; each section will start at 1 or whatever you
set in the Line Numbers dialog.


Thank you, Jay; in this case, your solution works perfectly; the main
quote was one very long section of text.

I manually inserted the line numbers in the smaller, interspersed
quotes.

Oh, and how do I fix the footnotes so that there is no superscript
in the main document, and the footnotes (which will refer back to
the line numbers) still appear at the bottom of the page?


I don't think it's possible to make footnote numbers take their
values from line numbers. You can choose the nonbreaking space
(Alt+0160) as the custom footnote symbol so that no number appears
either in the text *or* in the footnote, and manually refer to the
line number. Because the line numbers of the quoted poetry won't
change, that's probably acceptable here, but there's no way to
automate it.


Oh dear.

How do I do that?

Diana


First, I'll say that Daiya's suggestion of setting the Hidden attribute on
the Footnote Reference style is probably the easier solution for creating
footnotes without visible numbers or symbols. The reason is that the style
change is something you can do once for the entire document, or -- if you
save that change in the template -- once for all documents based on the same
template.

My suggestion of using an invisible character requires you to type the
character again for each footnote. If you're still interested, though, read
on...

In the Footnote dialog (which you can reach either through the Insert menu
or with the shortcut Ctrl+Alt+F), put the cursor in the Custom box and press
the combination Ctrl+Alt+spacebar. Click OK. The cursor will go to the
footnote area but there won't be any number or symbol there. (If you turn on
nonprinting characters by clicking the button, you'll see a small circle
that represents the nonbreaking space.) Type the number of the line you're
referring to, and the rest of the footnote.

--
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org


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dianaiad
 
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Jay Freedman wrote:
dianaiad wrote:
Jay Freedman wrote:
dianaiad wrote:
I am doing extensive quoting of Chaucer's "Canterbury Tales". The
poem needs to have line numbers, but I do NOT want the explanatory
text and the title to be included in the line count. I've seen how
to apply line numbers to the entire text, but how do I apply it to
only PART of the text, just the quoted poetry?

Whether line numbers display is a section-level property. Insert a
continuous section break between the explanatory text and the
poetry, and enable line numbers only in the poetry section. Note
that you can't automatically continue the line numbering sequence
from one poetry section to the next if there is a non-numbered
section between them; each section will start at 1 or whatever you
set in the Line Numbers dialog.


Thank you, Jay; in this case, your solution works perfectly; the main
quote was one very long section of text.

I manually inserted the line numbers in the smaller, interspersed
quotes.

Oh, and how do I fix the footnotes so that there is no superscript
in the main document, and the footnotes (which will refer back to
the line numbers) still appear at the bottom of the page?

I don't think it's possible to make footnote numbers take their
values from line numbers. You can choose the nonbreaking space
(Alt+0160) as the custom footnote symbol so that no number appears
either in the text *or* in the footnote, and manually refer to the
line number. Because the line numbers of the quoted poetry won't
change, that's probably acceptable here, but there's no way to
automate it.


Oh dear.

How do I do that?

Diana


First, I'll say that Daiya's suggestion of setting the Hidden attribute on
the Footnote Reference style is probably the easier solution for creating
footnotes without visible numbers or symbols. The reason is that the style
change is something you can do once for the entire document, or -- if you
save that change in the template -- once for all documents based on the same
template.

My suggestion of using an invisible character requires you to type the
character again for each footnote. If you're still interested, though, read
on...

In the Footnote dialog (which you can reach either through the Insert menu
or with the shortcut Ctrl+Alt+F), put the cursor in the Custom box and press
the combination Ctrl+Alt+spacebar. Click OK. The cursor will go to the
footnote area but there won't be any number or symbol there. (If you turnon
nonprinting characters by clicking the button, you'll see a small circle
that represents the nonbreaking space.) Type the number of the line you're
referring to, and the rest of the footnote.


Ah...

THANK YOU!!!

That solves things nicely. I really appreciate the help with this!

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Suzanne S. Barnhill
 
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Is anybody anywhere paying any attention to my apparently overlooked answer
about turning off line numbering for selected paragraphs? sigh

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"dianaiad" wrote in message
oups.com...

Jay Freedman wrote:
dianaiad wrote:
Jay Freedman wrote:
dianaiad wrote:
I am doing extensive quoting of Chaucer's "Canterbury Tales". The
poem needs to have line numbers, but I do NOT want the explanatory
text and the title to be included in the line count. I've seen how
to apply line numbers to the entire text, but how do I apply it to
only PART of the text, just the quoted poetry?

Whether line numbers display is a section-level property. Insert a
continuous section break between the explanatory text and the
poetry, and enable line numbers only in the poetry section. Note
that you can't automatically continue the line numbering sequence
from one poetry section to the next if there is a non-numbered
section between them; each section will start at 1 or whatever you
set in the Line Numbers dialog.


Thank you, Jay; in this case, your solution works perfectly; the main
quote was one very long section of text.

I manually inserted the line numbers in the smaller, interspersed
quotes.

Oh, and how do I fix the footnotes so that there is no superscript
in the main document, and the footnotes (which will refer back to
the line numbers) still appear at the bottom of the page?

I don't think it's possible to make footnote numbers take their
values from line numbers. You can choose the nonbreaking space
(Alt+0160) as the custom footnote symbol so that no number appears
either in the text *or* in the footnote, and manually refer to the
line number. Because the line numbers of the quoted poetry won't
change, that's probably acceptable here, but there's no way to
automate it.


Oh dear.

How do I do that?

Diana


First, I'll say that Daiya's suggestion of setting the Hidden attribute on
the Footnote Reference style is probably the easier solution for creating
footnotes without visible numbers or symbols. The reason is that the style
change is something you can do once for the entire document, or -- if you
save that change in the template -- once for all documents based on the

same
template.

My suggestion of using an invisible character requires you to type the
character again for each footnote. If you're still interested, though,

read
on...

In the Footnote dialog (which you can reach either through the Insert menu
or with the shortcut Ctrl+Alt+F), put the cursor in the Custom box and

press
the combination Ctrl+Alt+spacebar. Click OK. The cursor will go to the
footnote area but there won't be any number or symbol there. (If you turn

on
nonprinting characters by clicking the button, you'll see a small circle
that represents the nonbreaking space.) Type the number of the line you're
referring to, and the rest of the footnote.


Ah...

THANK YOU!!!

That solves things nicely. I really appreciate the help with this!

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dianaiad
 
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Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
Is anybody anywhere paying any attention to my apparently overlooked answer
about turning off line numbering for selected paragraphs? sigh



I'm deeply sorry, Suzanne, this is my fault. I'm scattered these
days...being a grad student at my age is a little wearing on the memory
cells.

I have tried your idea of turning off numbering for selected
paragraphs; however, I must not be doing it right, because what happens
for me is that while Word may not show the line numbers for selected
text, it still COUNTS them, so that when the numbers reappear, it's
obvious that all the lines have been counted, including the intervening
text, not just the lines of the poetry.

Diana

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Doug Robbins - Word MVP
 
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Hi Diana,

Just how are you doing it. For me, with line numbers applied by clicking on
the Line Numbers button on the Layout tab of the FilePage Setup dialog, and
then with the cursor in the paragraph for which I want to suppress the line
numbers, I select Paragraph from the Format menu and then go to the Line and
Page Breaks tab and check the "Suppress line numbers" box, the line numbers
are removed from the paragraph in which the cursor is located, and the
number of the first line in the next paragraph is one more than the number
of the last line of the preceding paragraph - that is, for the paragraph in
which the line numbers are suppressed, the lines are not counted.

The following is what I get.

1 The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
2 The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
3 The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.

The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.

4 The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
5 The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
6 The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
--
Hope this helps.


Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"dianaiad" wrote in message
ups.com...

Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
Is anybody anywhere paying any attention to my apparently overlooked
answer
about turning off line numbering for selected paragraphs? sigh



I'm deeply sorry, Suzanne, this is my fault. I'm scattered these
days...being a grad student at my age is a little wearing on the memory
cells.

I have tried your idea of turning off numbering for selected
paragraphs; however, I must not be doing it right, because what happens
for me is that while Word may not show the line numbers for selected
text, it still COUNTS them, so that when the numbers reappear, it's
obvious that all the lines have been counted, including the intervening
text, not just the lines of the poetry.

Diana





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Suzanne S. Barnhill
 
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That's what I'm seeing here, too. I wouldn't have posted that as a solution
if I hadn't tested it and found it to work for me. I believe that one issue
with line numbering, however, is that lines in tables are not numbered.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Doug Robbins - Word MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Diana,

Just how are you doing it. For me, with line numbers applied by clicking

on
the Line Numbers button on the Layout tab of the FilePage Setup dialog,

and
then with the cursor in the paragraph for which I want to suppress the

line
numbers, I select Paragraph from the Format menu and then go to the Line

and
Page Breaks tab and check the "Suppress line numbers" box, the line

numbers
are removed from the paragraph in which the cursor is located, and the
number of the first line in the next paragraph is one more than the number
of the last line of the preceding paragraph - that is, for the paragraph

in
which the line numbers are suppressed, the lines are not counted.

The following is what I get.

1 The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
2 The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
3 The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.

The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.

4 The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
5 The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
6 The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
--
Hope this helps.


Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

"dianaiad" wrote in message
ups.com...

Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
Is anybody anywhere paying any attention to my apparently overlooked
answer
about turning off line numbering for selected paragraphs? sigh



I'm deeply sorry, Suzanne, this is my fault. I'm scattered these
days...being a grad student at my age is a little wearing on the memory
cells.

I have tried your idea of turning off numbering for selected
paragraphs; however, I must not be doing it right, because what happens
for me is that while Word may not show the line numbers for selected
text, it still COUNTS them, so that when the numbers reappear, it's
obvious that all the lines have been counted, including the intervening
text, not just the lines of the poetry.

Diana




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Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
That's what I'm seeing here, too. I wouldn't have posted that as a solution
if I hadn't tested it and found it to work for me. I believe that one issue
with line numbering, however, is that lines in tables are not numbered.


snip to end

You are both quite correct, it was me.

I goofed.

My apologies.

Diana

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Suzanne S. Barnhill
 
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Just so you found something that works--that's all that matters. And if you
find more than one solution, then you have more than one string to your bow.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"dianaiad" wrote in message
oups.com...

Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
That's what I'm seeing here, too. I wouldn't have posted that as a

solution
if I hadn't tested it and found it to work for me. I believe that one

issue
with line numbering, however, is that lines in tables are not numbered.


snip to end

You are both quite correct, it was me.

I goofed.

My apologies.

Diana


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