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I have yet to completely understand why there are not more background
calculations to help speed up the process of typing and reduce the time needed to accomplish a task. So much time has been spent in the improvement of formatting in word processing, why not the basics of typing itself. 1. Why after more then 20 years of word processing is the act of typing still relativity dumb? 2. Why spelling checking after you type, when it can help you spell correctly the first time? 3. Why grammar check after you type, when it can help you improve your grammar as you type? The standard auto correction techniques are good, they just don't go far enough. In order to accomplish the above, there needs to be a form of autosuggestion similar to what is the given in the soft keyboard in the Pocket PC. There also needs to have a toggle button for this type of autosuggestion to turn it on or off like that of turning "bold" icon on and off. By using the below ideas and suggestions I believe that a persons normal typing speed could more then double. Different Phases of Development: 1. Implementing the similar method used in the soft keyboard in the Pocket PC. I suggest using keys []{} based upon the convenience of typing, since they are not commonly used in typing. As well as close proximity to enter key and using keys that do not force the user to remove a hand off the keyboard like F1 and ~ and numbers. From high to low priority keys: Enter (this is currently used in "To Whom it May Concern") [ ] { } Example: (typing "sug") } sugar { suggests ] suggested [ suggest Enter suggestion sug Example: (typing "suga") } sugar maple { sugarcane ] sugarless [ sugary Enter sugar suga So if I type suga] I get sugarless 2. Logical Phrases Like "See you later" Names from outlook contact list, if "John" is typed, the five last names given in the outlook contact list (with John as a first name) are given. 3. Anticipate Grammar. Anticipate the plural/singular form of a word based on the context of the sentence. Anticipate a noun/adjective/adverb based on the context of the sentence. Anticipate the tense of the word. Anticipate caps and lower case. 4. It should predict names of organizations "United States G Predict "Government" "General Accounting Office" etc. Offers typing out simple abbreviations: U.S. as NAFTA, common lingo BTW, LOL etc. The lingo conversion would be esp. helpful for those teens who are writing papers and letters to adults. The lingo conversion could also be helpful for those who text message. 5. Using statistics to look at the document your writing finding the most common words and phrases and place them in a higher priority. i.e. If some has been writing an article about football and used the word football several times when "fo" is typed the word "football" is suggested. 6. Abbreviations on the fly, highlight text, right click, and assign an abbreviation. When the document is saved, a popup window asks if you want to save the assigned abbreviations. This abbreviation can be localized to the document or to Microsoft Word abbreviation list. This would allow one to write an a document about someone named "Bubba" highlight this name, right click, and add abbreviation "b" the next time "bspace" is added to the document "Bubba" replaces "b", ideally this would be localized to this document since the next document may be about "Badminton". It should be smart enough to question abbreviations like a & I. 7. Using statistics to anticipate the type of document it is and offer the appropriate suggestions based upon the type of document being worked on: Letter Computers Resume Term paper Personal Scientific - Medical - will be using medical terminology Law - will probably be on legal size formatted sheet size 8. Keyword Index - add words, dates, and phrases to your suggestion list. Before one starts writing, he enters a keyword word search about the topic activating an internet search for its suggestion list. From reliable sources like "Expedia" MSN news sources, etc. For example someone is writing about the "Civil War", before he starts, he enters "Civil War" in keyword search, this keyword will be sent out to the internet through a search engine and come up with the most common words, names, and phases associated with "Civil War" and add them to suggestion list. So when someone types "Presi", "President Abraham Lincoln" and "President Lincoln" are suggested. It might be nice if there is a link to a web site containing these suggested words as a smart tag. 9. Keyword Internet index - is an active form of the above topic, (has greater issues with personal security) as you type keywords an active search through the internet occurs, automatically adds new suggested words and phrases to the list. It could be done on a side bar, with buttons for start (search), stop (search), Add all (words, phases), Remove all, a check box next to words/phrases to add, or remove individual words, phrases; along with a scroll bar to scroll through all possibilities. (i.e. "President Abraham Lincoln" and not suggestion since it is contained in the normal lexicon) Mark Stapel ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ocmanagemen t |
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Because it's a computer program not a mind reader? And I defy any computer
to guess what MY next thought is going to be. Even *I* can't do that half of the time. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Mark Stapel" Mark wrote in message ... (snip) 1. Why after more then 20 years of word processing is the act of typing still relativity dumb? 2. Why spelling checking after you type, when it can help you spell correctly the first time? 3. Why grammar check after you type, when it can help you improve your grammar as you type? (snip) |
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I'm not asking the computer to read my mind/or someone elses, just logically
suggest possiblities based upon the given context. Have you tried the softkey input on the PocketPC? It is surprising good. I just want to see that concept a few steps further on the standard PC. Thanks, Mark Stapel "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote: Because it's a computer program not a mind reader? And I defy any computer to guess what MY next thought is going to be. Even *I* can't do that half of the time. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Mark Stapel" Mark wrote in message ... (snip) 1. Why after more then 20 years of word processing is the act of typing still relativity dumb? 2. Why spelling checking after you type, when it can help you spell correctly the first time? 3. Why grammar check after you type, when it can help you improve your grammar as you type? (snip) |
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1. The logic is to speed up the typing process by reducing number of
keystokes typed. 2 If someone types "See You L" it suggests that "L" is most likely "Later " 3 Check out http://labs.google.com/sets 4. I'm not advocating using text message language in documents, but I not likely to change the attitudes of teens. I just don't want Grandma to get an e-mail from their grand daughter saying "c u ltr" 8,9 see #3 and it needs to be from sources like Expedia, News Sources, and other documents that use and editor. Thanks, Mark Stapel "Tony Jollans" wrote: Hi Mark, Interesting ideas that I think go way beyond Word Processing. I don't know anything about Pocket PCs but suggesting words as you type - some sort of intelligent prediction - and possibly context sensitive - ought to be possible and might sometimes be helpful. On a couple of specific points 1. You lost me here - what is the logic in this? 2. I don't know what you mean by "see you later" as a logical phrase. 3. I don't disagree in principle but I think it's beyond current-day capabilities - especially, perhaps, in English. 4. Hmmm.. encourage the use of text message language in documents. Please, no! 6. I think having document-level autocorrects would confuse rather than help. 7. They sort-of tried this to, largely, hoots of derision. 8,9. Word as an intelligent search engine? There is already the research pane and I suppose this is an extension of it - but how do you decide on reliable sources? I don't think this is viable today. -- Enjoy, Tony "Mark Stapel" Mark wrote in message ... I have yet to completely understand why there are not more background calculations to help speed up the process of typing and reduce the time needed to accomplish a task. So much time has been spent in the improvement of formatting in word processing, why not the basics of typing itself. 1. Why after more then 20 years of word processing is the act of typing still relativity dumb? 2. Why spelling checking after you type, when it can help you spell correctly the first time? 3. Why grammar check after you type, when it can help you improve your grammar as you type? The standard auto correction techniques are good, they just don't go far enough. In order to accomplish the above, there needs to be a form of autosuggestion similar to what is the given in the soft keyboard in the Pocket PC. There also needs to have a toggle button for this type of autosuggestion to turn it on or off like that of turning "bold" icon on and off. By using the below ideas and suggestions I believe that a persons normal typing speed could more then double. Different Phases of Development: 1. Implementing the similar method used in the soft keyboard in the Pocket PC. I suggest using keys []{} based upon the convenience of typing, since they are not commonly used in typing. As well as close proximity to 'enter ' key and using keys that do not force the user to remove a hand off the keyboard like F1 and ~ and numbers. From high to low priority keys: Enter (this is currently used in "To Whom it May Concern") [ ] { } Example: (typing "sug") } sugar { suggests ] suggested [ suggest Enter suggestion sug Example: (typing "suga") } sugar maple { sugarcane ] sugarless [ sugary Enter sugar suga So if I type "suga]" I get "sugarless " 2. Logical Phrases Like "See you later" Names from outlook contact list, if "John" is typed, the five last names given in the outlook contact list (with John as a first name) are given. 3. Anticipate Grammar. Anticipate the plural/singular form of a word based on the context of the sentence. Anticipate a noun/adjective/adverb based on the context of the sentence. Anticipate the tense of the word. Anticipate caps and lower case. 4. It should predict names of organizations "United States G" Predict "Government" "General Accounting Office" etc. Offers typing out simple abbreviations: U.S. as NAFTA, common lingo BTW, LOL etc. The lingo conversion would be esp. helpful for those teens who are writing papers and letters to adults. The lingo conversion could also be helpful for those who text message. 5. Using statistics to look at the document your writing finding the most common words and phrases and place them in a higher priority. i.e. If some has been writing an article about "football" and used the word "football" several times when "fo" is typed the word "football" is suggested. 6. Abbreviations on the fly, highlight text, right click, and assign an abbreviation. When the document is saved, a popup window asks if you want to save the assigned abbreviations. This abbreviation can be localized to the document or to Microsoft Word abbreviation list. This would allow one to write an a document about someone named "Bubba" highlight this name, right click, and add abbreviation "b" the next time "bspace" is added to the document "Bubba" replaces "b", ideally this would be localized to this document since the next document may be about "Badminton". It should be smart enough to question abbreviations like "a" & "I". 7. Using statistics to anticipate the type of document it is and offer the appropriate suggestions based upon the type of document being worked on: Letter Computers Resume Term paper Personal Scientific - Medical - will be using medical terminology Law - will probably be on legal size formatted sheet size 8. Keyword Index - add words, dates, and phrases to your suggestion list. Before one starts writing, he enters a keyword word search about the topic activating an internet search for its suggestion list. From reliable sources like "Expedia" MSN news sources, etc. For example someone is writing about the "Civil War", before he starts, he enters "Civil War" in keyword search, this keyword will be sent out to the internet through a search engine and come up with the most common words, names, and phases associated with "Civil War" and add them to suggestion list. So when someone types "Presi", "President Abraham Lincoln" and "President Lincoln" are suggested. It might be nice if there is a link to a web site containing these suggested words as a smart tag. 9. Keyword Internet index - is an active form of the above topic, (has greater issues with personal security) as you type keywords an active search through the internet occurs, automatically adds new suggested words and phrases to the list. It could be done on a side bar, with buttons for start (search), stop (search), Add all (words, phases), Remove all, a check box next to words/phrases to add, or remove individual words, phrases; along with a scroll bar to scroll through all possibilities. (i.e. "President Abraham Lincoln" and not "suggestion" since it is contained in the normal lexicon) Mark Stapel ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...id=f7d65346-36 58-49b5-8b77-61fc960f64de&dg=microsoft.public.word.docmanagemen t |
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The reason you do it on tablet PC's is because you can't touch type on them.
Even with current computer speeds, a competent touch typist is going to outrace an artificial intelligence such as you are describing. Also, take a look at the problems people have with AutoText and AutoCorrect now, especially with a problem in the AutoCorrect algorithm for dates. I can imagine years of frustration before it actually worked at all helpfully. Not to say it is a bad idea, perhaps just a bit premature. -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Mark Stapel" wrote in message news 1. The logic is to speed up the typing process by reducing number of keystokes typed. 2 If someone types "See You L" it suggests that "L" is most likely "Later " 3 Check out http://labs.google.com/sets 4. I'm not advocating using text message language in documents, but I not likely to change the attitudes of teens. I just don't want Grandma to get an e-mail from their grand daughter saying "c u ltr" 8,9 see #3 and it needs to be from sources like Expedia, News Sources, and other documents that use and editor. Thanks, Mark Stapel "Tony Jollans" wrote: Hi Mark, Interesting ideas that I think go way beyond Word Processing. I don't know anything about Pocket PCs but suggesting words as you type - some sort of intelligent prediction - and possibly context sensitive - ought to be possible and might sometimes be helpful. On a couple of specific points 1. You lost me here - what is the logic in this? 2. I don't know what you mean by "see you later" as a logical phrase. 3. I don't disagree in principle but I think it's beyond current-day capabilities - especially, perhaps, in English. 4. Hmmm.. encourage the use of text message language in documents. Please, no! 6. I think having document-level autocorrects would confuse rather than help. 7. They sort-of tried this to, largely, hoots of derision. 8,9. Word as an intelligent search engine? There is already the research pane and I suppose this is an extension of it - but how do you decide on reliable sources? I don't think this is viable today. -- Enjoy, Tony "Mark Stapel" Mark wrote in message ... I have yet to completely understand why there are not more background calculations to help speed up the process of typing and reduce the time needed to accomplish a task. So much time has been spent in the improvement of formatting in word processing, why not the basics of typing itself. 1. Why after more then 20 years of word processing is the act of typing still relativity dumb? 2. Why spelling checking after you type, when it can help you spell correctly the first time? 3. Why grammar check after you type, when it can help you improve your grammar as you type? The standard auto correction techniques are good, they just don't go far enough. In order to accomplish the above, there needs to be a form of autosuggestion similar to what is the given in the soft keyboard in the Pocket PC. There also needs to have a toggle button for this type of autosuggestion to turn it on or off like that of turning "bold" icon on and off. By using the below ideas and suggestions I believe that a persons normal typing speed could more then double. Different Phases of Development: 1. Implementing the similar method used in the soft keyboard in the PC. I suggest using keys []{} based upon the convenience of typing, since they are not commonly used in typing. As well as close proximity to 'enter ' key and using keys that do not force the user to remove a hand off the keyboard like F1 and ~ and numbers. From high to low priority keys: Enter (this is currently used in "To Whom it May Concern") [ ] { } Example: (typing "sug") } sugar { suggests ] suggested [ suggest Enter suggestion sug Example: (typing "suga") } sugar maple { sugarcane ] sugarless [ sugary Enter sugar suga So if I type "suga]" I get "sugarless " 2. Logical Phrases Like "See you later" Names from outlook contact list, if "John" is typed, the five last names given in the outlook contact list (with John as a first name) are given. 3. Anticipate Grammar. Anticipate the plural/singular form of a word based on the context of the sentence. Anticipate a noun/adjective/adverb based on the context of the sentence. Anticipate the tense of the word. Anticipate caps and lower case. 4. It should predict names of organizations "United States G" Predict "Government" "General Accounting Office" etc. Offers typing out simple abbreviations: U.S. as NAFTA, common lingo BTW, LOL etc. The lingo conversion would be esp. helpful for those teens who are writing papers and letters to adults. The lingo conversion could also be helpful for those who text message. 5. Using statistics to look at the document your writing finding the most common words and phrases and place them in a higher priority. i.e. If some has been writing an article about "football" and used the word "football" several times when "fo" is typed the word "football" is suggested. 6. Abbreviations on the fly, highlight text, right click, and assign an abbreviation. When the document is saved, a popup window asks if you want to save the assigned abbreviations. This abbreviation can be localized to the document or to Microsoft Word abbreviation list. This would allow one to write an a document about someone named "Bubba" highlight this name, right click, and add abbreviation "b" the next time "bspace" is added to the document "Bubba" replaces "b", ideally this would be localized to this document since the next document may be about "Badminton". It should be smart enough to question abbreviations like "a" & "I". 7. Using statistics to anticipate the type of document it is and offer the appropriate suggestions based upon the type of document being worked on: Letter Computers Resume Term paper Personal Scientific - Medical - will be using medical terminology Law - will probably be on legal size formatted sheet size 8. Keyword Index - add words, dates, and phrases to your suggestion list. Before one starts writing, he enters a keyword word search about the topic activating an internet search for its suggestion list. From reliable sources like "Expedia" MSN news sources, etc. For example someone is writing about the "Civil War", before he starts, he enters "Civil War" in keyword search, this keyword will be sent out to the internet through a search engine and come up with the most common words, names, and phases associated with "Civil War" and add them to suggestion list. So when someone types "Presi", "President Abraham Lincoln" and "President Lincoln" are suggested. It might be nice if there is a link to a web site containing these suggested words as a smart tag. 9. Keyword Internet index - is an active form of the above topic, (has greater issues with personal security) as you type keywords an active search through the internet occurs, automatically adds new suggested words and phrases to the list. It could be done on a side bar, with buttons for start (search), stop (search), Add all (words, phases), Remove all, a check box next to words/phrases to add, or remove individual words, phrases; along with a scroll bar to scroll through all possibilities. (i.e. "President Abraham Lincoln" and not "suggestion" since it is contained in the normal lexicon) Mark Stapel ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...id=f7d65346-36 58-49b5-8b77-61fc960f64de&dg=microsoft.public.word.docmanagemen t |
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First, this is a concept is something that should be turned on and off as I
described in my original post by turning On & Off a icon. Because I see that, especially a very competent typist may not like it and it could be very annoying for editing a document. Second, some 23 years ago, I had an Apple IIe computer; I could not out type the software program then. I certainly cannot out type my computer now. Word processing is using so little processing power that it almost doesn't register on my CPU usage. Third, there was an old DOS program (approx. 20 years old known as Mindreader) (on a 286) that did a simplified form of auto suggestion like I that of the PocketPC. It was great on typing and very fast, it just had a poor formatting and no cut and paste. Forth, I have not explored the AutoCorrect algorithm for dates so I don't understand issues with that. I am not saying that form of auto suggestion is easy to implement, but I believe with the current processing speeds and the technology already out there that this is a very workable solution. Thanks, Mark Stapel "Charles Kenyon" wrote: The reason you do it on tablet PC's is because you can't touch type on them. Even with current computer speeds, a competent touch typist is going to outrace an artificial intelligence such as you are describing. Also, take a look at the problems people have with AutoText and AutoCorrect now, especially with a problem in the AutoCorrect algorithm for dates. I can imagine years of frustration before it actually worked at all helpfully. Not to say it is a bad idea, perhaps just a bit premature. -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Mark Stapel" wrote in message news 1. The logic is to speed up the typing process by reducing number of keystokes typed. 2 If someone types "See You L" it suggests that "L" is most likely "Later " 3 Check out http://labs.google.com/sets 4. I'm not advocating using text message language in documents, but I not likely to change the attitudes of teens. I just don't want Grandma to get an e-mail from their grand daughter saying "c u ltr" 8,9 see #3 and it needs to be from sources like Expedia, News Sources, and other documents that use and editor. Thanks, Mark Stapel "Tony Jollans" wrote: Hi Mark, Interesting ideas that I think go way beyond Word Processing. I don't know anything about Pocket PCs but suggesting words as you type - some sort of intelligent prediction - and possibly context sensitive - ought to be possible and might sometimes be helpful. On a couple of specific points 1. You lost me here - what is the logic in this? 2. I don't know what you mean by "see you later" as a logical phrase. 3. I don't disagree in principle but I think it's beyond current-day capabilities - especially, perhaps, in English. 4. Hmmm.. encourage the use of text message language in documents. Please, no! 6. I think having document-level autocorrects would confuse rather than help. 7. They sort-of tried this to, largely, hoots of derision. 8,9. Word as an intelligent search engine? There is already the research pane and I suppose this is an extension of it - but how do you decide on reliable sources? I don't think this is viable today. -- Enjoy, Tony "Mark Stapel" Mark wrote in message ... I have yet to completely understand why there are not more background calculations to help speed up the process of typing and reduce the time needed to accomplish a task. So much time has been spent in the improvement of formatting in word processing, why not the basics of typing itself. 1. Why after more then 20 years of word processing is the act of typing still relativity dumb? 2. Why spelling checking after you type, when it can help you spell correctly the first time? 3. Why grammar check after you type, when it can help you improve your grammar as you type? The standard auto correction techniques are good, they just don't go far enough. In order to accomplish the above, there needs to be a form of autosuggestion similar to what is the given in the soft keyboard in the Pocket PC. There also needs to have a toggle button for this type of autosuggestion to turn it on or off like that of turning "bold" icon on and off. By using the below ideas and suggestions I believe that a persons normal typing speed could more then double. Different Phases of Development: 1. Implementing the similar method used in the soft keyboard in the PC. I suggest using keys []{} based upon the convenience of typing, since they are not commonly used in typing. As well as close proximity to 'enter ' key and using keys that do not force the user to remove a hand off the keyboard like F1 and ~ and numbers. From high to low priority keys: Enter (this is currently used in "To Whom it May Concern") [ ] { } Example: (typing "sug") } sugar { suggests ] suggested [ suggest Enter suggestion sug Example: (typing "suga") } sugar maple { sugarcane ] sugarless [ sugary Enter sugar suga So if I type "suga]" I get "sugarless " 2. Logical Phrases Like "See you later" Names from outlook contact list, if "John" is typed, the five last names given in the outlook contact list (with John as a first name) are given. 3. Anticipate Grammar. Anticipate the plural/singular form of a word based on the context of the sentence. Anticipate a noun/adjective/adverb based on the context of the sentence. Anticipate the tense of the word. Anticipate caps and lower case. 4. It should predict names of organizations "United States G" Predict "Government" "General Accounting Office" etc. Offers typing out simple abbreviations: U.S. as NAFTA, common lingo BTW, LOL etc. The lingo conversion would be esp. helpful for those teens who are writing papers and letters to adults. The lingo conversion could also be helpful for those who text message. 5. Using statistics to look at the document your writing finding the most common words and phrases and place them in a higher priority. i.e. If some has been writing an article about "football" and used the word "football" several times when "fo" is typed the word "football" is suggested. 6. Abbreviations on the fly, highlight text, right click, and assign an abbreviation. When the document is saved, a popup window asks if you want to save the assigned abbreviations. This abbreviation can be localized to the document or to Microsoft Word abbreviation list. This would allow one to write an a document about someone named "Bubba" highlight this name, right click, and add abbreviation "b" the next time "bspace" is added to the document "Bubba" replaces "b", ideally this would be localized to this document since the next document may be about "Badminton". It should be smart enough to question abbreviations like "a" & "I". 7. Using statistics to anticipate the type of document it is and offer the appropriate suggestions based upon the type of document being worked on: Letter Computers Resume Term paper Personal Scientific - Medical - will be using medical terminology Law - will probably be on legal size formatted sheet size 8. Keyword Index - add words, dates, and phrases to your suggestion list. Before one starts writing, he enters a keyword word search about the topic activating an internet search for its suggestion list. From reliable sources like "Expedia" MSN news sources, etc. For example someone is writing about the "Civil War", before he starts, he enters "Civil War" in keyword search, this keyword will be sent out to the internet through a search engine and come up with the most common words, names, and phases associated with "Civil War" and add them to suggestion list. So when someone types "Presi", "President Abraham Lincoln" and "President Lincoln" are suggested. It might be nice if there is a link to a web site containing these suggested words as a smart tag. 9. Keyword Internet index - is an active form of the above topic, (has greater issues with personal security) as you type keywords an active search through the internet occurs, automatically adds new suggested words and phrases to the list. It could be done on a side bar, with buttons for start (search), stop (search), Add all (words, phases), Remove all, a check box next to words/phrases to add, or remove individual words, phrases; along with a scroll bar to scroll through all possibilities. (i.e. "President Abraham Lincoln" and not "suggestion" since it is contained in the normal lexicon) Mark Stapel ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...id=f7d65346-36 58-49b5-8b77-61fc960f64de&dg=microsoft.public.word.docmanagemen t |
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Sorry - my PDA uses Palm.
-- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Mark Stapel" wrote in message news I'm not asking the computer to read my mind/or someone elses, just logically suggest possiblities based upon the given context. Have you tried the softkey input on the PocketPC? It is surprising good. I just want to see that concept a few steps further on the standard PC. Thanks, Mark Stapel "JoAnn Paules [MVP]" wrote: Because it's a computer program not a mind reader? And I defy any computer to guess what MY next thought is going to be. Even *I* can't do that half of the time. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Mark Stapel" Mark wrote in message ... (snip) 1. Why after more then 20 years of word processing is the act of typing still relativity dumb? 2. Why spelling checking after you type, when it can help you spell correctly the first time? 3. Why grammar check after you type, when it can help you improve your grammar as you type? (snip) |
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Hi Mark:
I'm sure you won't be surprised to hear that Microsoft among others is investing millions of dollars in researching this topic. The first question to be asked is "Why type *at all*"? Much of the effort these days is going into speech and gesture recognition. As you point out, sufficient processing power is becoming available to make these applications viable. In 1987, I was involved with a natural-language recognition project. It would occupy a mainframe half the size of a house for 60 seconds to process a single sentence. Dragon Naturally Speaking now produces real-time transcripts for many large court cases, running on a laptop! And my mobile phone drives me crazy by second-guessing what I type. The faster I type and the less time I have, the more likely I am to be deeply embarrassed by its attempt to guess "what I meant". We have the "artificial" bit solved, but we're still waiting for the first signs of "intelligence" :-) Cheers On 22/3/06 11:01 AM, in article , "Mark Stapel" wrote: First, this is a concept is something that should be turned on and off as I described in my original post by turning On & Off a icon. Because I see that, especially a very competent typist may not like it and it could be very annoying for editing a document. Second, some 23 years ago, I had an Apple IIe computer; I could not out type the software program then. I certainly cannot out type my computer now. Word processing is using so little processing power that it almost doesn't register on my CPU usage. Third, there was an old DOS program (approx. 20 years old known as Mindreader) (on a 286) that did a simplified form of auto suggestion like I that of the PocketPC. It was great on typing and very fast, it just had a poor formatting and no cut and paste. Forth, I have not explored the AutoCorrect algorithm for dates so I don't understand issues with that. I am not saying that form of auto suggestion is easy to implement, but I believe with the current processing speeds and the technology already out there that this is a very workable solution. Thanks, Mark Stapel "Charles Kenyon" wrote: The reason you do it on tablet PC's is because you can't touch type on them. Even with current computer speeds, a competent touch typist is going to outrace an artificial intelligence such as you are describing. Also, take a look at the problems people have with AutoText and AutoCorrect now, especially with a problem in the AutoCorrect algorithm for dates. I can imagine years of frustration before it actually worked at all helpfully. Not to say it is a bad idea, perhaps just a bit premature. -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Mark Stapel" wrote in message news 1. The logic is to speed up the typing process by reducing number of keystokes typed. 2 If someone types "See You L" it suggests that "L" is most likely "Later " 3 Check out http://labs.google.com/sets 4. I'm not advocating using text message language in documents, but I not likely to change the attitudes of teens. I just don't want Grandma to get an e-mail from their grand daughter saying "c u ltr" 8,9 see #3 and it needs to be from sources like Expedia, News Sources, and other documents that use and editor. Thanks, Mark Stapel "Tony Jollans" wrote: Hi Mark, Interesting ideas that I think go way beyond Word Processing. I don't know anything about Pocket PCs but suggesting words as you type - some sort of intelligent prediction - and possibly context sensitive - ought to be possible and might sometimes be helpful. On a couple of specific points 1. You lost me here - what is the logic in this? 2. I don't know what you mean by "see you later" as a logical phrase. 3. I don't disagree in principle but I think it's beyond current-day capabilities - especially, perhaps, in English. 4. Hmmm.. encourage the use of text message language in documents. Please, no! 6. I think having document-level autocorrects would confuse rather than help. 7. They sort-of tried this to, largely, hoots of derision. 8,9. Word as an intelligent search engine? There is already the research pane and I suppose this is an extension of it - but how do you decide on reliable sources? I don't think this is viable today. -- Enjoy, Tony "Mark Stapel" Mark wrote in message ... I have yet to completely understand why there are not more background calculations to help speed up the process of typing and reduce the time needed to accomplish a task. So much time has been spent in the improvement of formatting in word processing, why not the basics of typing itself. 1. Why after more then 20 years of word processing is the act of typing still relativity dumb? 2. Why spelling checking after you type, when it can help you spell correctly the first time? 3. Why grammar check after you type, when it can help you improve your grammar as you type? The standard auto correction techniques are good, they just don't go far enough. In order to accomplish the above, there needs to be a form of autosuggestion similar to what is the given in the soft keyboard in the Pocket PC. There also needs to have a toggle button for this type of autosuggestion to turn it on or off like that of turning "bold" icon on and off. By using the below ideas and suggestions I believe that a persons normal typing speed could more then double. Different Phases of Development: 1. Implementing the similar method used in the soft keyboard in the PC. I suggest using keys []{} based upon the convenience of typing, since they are not commonly used in typing. As well as close proximity to 'enter ' key and using keys that do not force the user to remove a hand off the keyboard like F1 and ~ and numbers. From high to low priority keys: Enter (this is currently used in "To Whom it May Concern") [ ] { } Example: (typing "sug") } sugar { suggests ] suggested [ suggest Enter suggestion sug Example: (typing "suga") } sugar maple { sugarcane ] sugarless [ sugary Enter sugar suga So if I type "suga]" I get "sugarless " 2. Logical Phrases Like "See you later" Names from outlook contact list, if "John" is typed, the five last names given in the outlook contact list (with John as a first name) are given. 3. Anticipate Grammar. Anticipate the plural/singular form of a word based on the context of the sentence. Anticipate a noun/adjective/adverb based on the context of the sentence. Anticipate the tense of the word. Anticipate caps and lower case. 4. It should predict names of organizations "United States G" Predict "Government" "General Accounting Office" etc. Offers typing out simple abbreviations: U.S. as NAFTA, common lingo BTW, LOL etc. The lingo conversion would be esp. helpful for those teens who are writing papers and letters to adults. The lingo conversion could also be helpful for those who text message. 5. Using statistics to look at the document your writing finding the most common words and phrases and place them in a higher priority. i.e. If some has been writing an article about "football" and used the word "football" several times when "fo" is typed the word "football" is suggested. 6. Abbreviations on the fly, highlight text, right click, and assign an abbreviation. When the document is saved, a popup window asks if you want to save the assigned abbreviations. This abbreviation can be localized to the document or to Microsoft Word abbreviation list. This would allow one to write an a document about someone named "Bubba" highlight this name, right click, and add abbreviation "b" the next time "bspace" is added to the document "Bubba" replaces "b", ideally this would be localized to this document since the next document may be about "Badminton". It should be smart enough to question abbreviations like "a" & "I". 7. Using statistics to anticipate the type of document it is and offer the appropriate suggestions based upon the type of document being worked on: Letter Computers Resume Term paper Personal Scientific - Medical - will be using medical terminology Law - will probably be on legal size formatted sheet size 8. Keyword Index - add words, dates, and phrases to your suggestion list. Before one starts writing, he enters a keyword word search about the topic activating an internet search for its suggestion list. From reliable sources like "Expedia" MSN news sources, etc. For example someone is writing about the "Civil War", before he starts, he enters "Civil War" in keyword search, this keyword will be sent out to the internet through a search engine and come up with the most common words, names, and phases associated with "Civil War" and add them to suggestion list. So when someone types "Presi", "President Abraham Lincoln" and "President Lincoln" are suggested. It might be nice if there is a link to a web site containing these suggested words as a smart tag. 9. Keyword Internet index - is an active form of the above topic, (has greater issues with personal security) as you type keywords an active search through the internet occurs, automatically adds new suggested words and phrases to the list. It could be done on a side bar, with buttons for start (search), stop (search), Add all (words, phases), Remove all, a check box next to words/phrases to add, or remove individual words, phrases; along with a scroll bar to scroll through all possibilities. (i.e. "President Abraham Lincoln" and not "suggestion" since it is contained in the normal lexicon) Mark Stapel ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/community/en-us/default.mspx?mid=f7d65346-3 6 58-49b5-8b77-61fc960f64de&dg=microsoft.public.word.docmanagemen t -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email me unless I ask you to. 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John,
I appreciate your comments and realize that many companies are researching the topic of reducing or eliminating typing all together. Natural-language recognition is an extremely difficult problem. I have been very impressed with the progress that has currently been made. But in all the years that speech recognition has been out, I have yet find anyone on a regular basis using any form of speech recognition (with the possible exception of voice activated calling). Voice activated calling is a much simpler form speech recognition, since it compares a trained voice with a simple command. Rather then generalizing a voice over the complete English language dictionary. The technical challenges of speech recognition are intense. If you get a group of 10 English speaking people, tell the first person Joe likes golf and by the time it gets relayed to the 10th person, it probably ends up as Tarzan and Jane. If people have such problems understanding one another, I can only imagine the problems that a computer has. I would like to hear more about Dragon Naturally Speaking now produces real-time transcripts for many large court cases, running on a laptop! In regarding accuracy, problems, how much human intervention, etc. with this program. Even more problematic then the technical issues, is the life style issues with speech recognition. People like to multitask while working on the computer, talking with coworkers, listening to radio, or even watching TV (all that create problems with accuracy). In addition, people do not like their co-worker in the next cubical overhearing what they are writing. Do not get me wrong I am not against speech recognition but looking forward to it. All of this makes this idea of auto suggestion look simple when comparing to speech language recognition. All the pieces of the puzzle exist; just no one has put it all together. I agree with that, the faster one types the less time you have. Assuming a form of auto suggestion is developed many people who type 60+wpm will probably not use auto suggestion for this reason. However, there are not many people who type at 60+ wpm. And for those who dont it will have very significant impact. I type about 30-35 wpm and I can imagine with a form of auto suggestion my typing speed could approach about 50 to 60 wpm. The reason I refer to it, as auto suggestion is that it requires a decision by the typist for the appropriate word or phase. In the same way as To Whom It May Concern: works in Word. Last point, many people today are making their discision whether or not they are buying a piece of software based upon the return on their investment. If it is not significant, they will be just as happy using their old piece of software. My hope is that this idea and others may be something that will cause people to upgrade. Thanks, Mark Stapel "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macinto" wrote: Hi Mark: I'm sure you won't be surprised to hear that Microsoft among others is investing millions of dollars in researching this topic. The first question to be asked is "Why type *at all*"? Much of the effort these days is going into speech and gesture recognition. As you point out, sufficient processing power is becoming available to make these applications viable. In 1987, I was involved with a natural-language recognition project. It would occupy a mainframe half the size of a house for 60 seconds to process a single sentence. Dragon Naturally Speaking now produces real-time transcripts for many large court cases, running on a laptop! And my mobile phone drives me crazy by second-guessing what I type. The faster I type and the less time I have, the more likely I am to be deeply embarrassed by its attempt to guess "what I meant". We have the "artificial" bit solved, but we're still waiting for the first signs of "intelligence" :-) Cheers On 22/3/06 11:01 AM, in article , "Mark Stapel" wrote: First, this is a concept is something that should be turned on and off as I described in my original post by turning On & Off a icon. Because I see that, especially a very competent typist may not like it and it could be very annoying for editing a document. Second, some 23 years ago, I had an Apple IIe computer; I could not out type the software program then. I certainly cannot out type my computer now. Word processing is using so little processing power that it almost doesn't register on my CPU usage. Third, there was an old DOS program (approx. 20 years old known as Mindreader) (on a 286) that did a simplified form of auto suggestion like I that of the PocketPC. It was great on typing and very fast, it just had a poor formatting and no cut and paste. Forth, I have not explored the AutoCorrect algorithm for dates so I don't understand issues with that. I am not saying that form of auto suggestion is easy to implement, but I believe with the current processing speeds and the technology already out there that this is a very workable solution. Thanks, Mark Stapel "Charles Kenyon" wrote: The reason you do it on tablet PC's is because you can't touch type on them. Even with current computer speeds, a competent touch typist is going to outrace an artificial intelligence such as you are describing. Also, take a look at the problems people have with AutoText and AutoCorrect now, especially with a problem in the AutoCorrect algorithm for dates. I can imagine years of frustration before it actually worked at all helpfully. Not to say it is a bad idea, perhaps just a bit premature. -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Mark Stapel" wrote in message news 1. The logic is to speed up the typing process by reducing number of keystokes typed. 2 If someone types "See You L" it suggests that "L" is most likely "Later " 3 Check out http://labs.google.com/sets 4. I'm not advocating using text message language in documents, but I not likely to change the attitudes of teens. I just don't want Grandma to get an e-mail from their grand daughter saying "c u ltr" 8,9 see #3 and it needs to be from sources like Expedia, News Sources, and other documents that use and editor. Thanks, Mark Stapel "Tony Jollans" wrote: Hi Mark, Interesting ideas that I think go way beyond Word Processing. I don't know anything about Pocket PCs but suggesting words as you type - some sort of intelligent prediction - and possibly context sensitive - ought to be possible and might sometimes be helpful. On a couple of specific points 1. You lost me here - what is the logic in this? 2. I don't know what you mean by "see you later" as a logical phrase. 3. I don't disagree in principle but I think it's beyond current-day capabilities - especially, perhaps, in English. 4. Hmmm.. encourage the use of text message language in documents. Please, no! 6. I think having document-level autocorrects would confuse rather than help. 7. They sort-of tried this to, largely, hoots of derision. 8,9. Word as an intelligent search engine? There is already the research pane and I suppose this is an extension of it - but how do you decide on reliable sources? I don't think this is viable today. -- Enjoy, Tony "Mark Stapel" Mark wrote in message ... I have yet to completely understand why there are not more background calculations to help speed up the process of typing and reduce the time needed to accomplish a task. So much time has been spent in the improvement of formatting in word processing, why not the basics of typing itself. 1. Why after more then 20 years of word processing is the act of typing still relativity dumb? 2. Why spelling checking after you type, when it can help you spell correctly the first time? 3. Why grammar check after you type, when it can help you improve your grammar as you type? The standard auto correction techniques are good, they just don't go far enough. In order to accomplish the above, there needs to be a form of autosuggestion similar to what is the given in the soft keyboard in the Pocket PC. There also needs to have a toggle button for this type of autosuggestion to turn it on or off like that of turning "bold" icon on and off. By using the below ideas and suggestions I believe that a persons normal typing speed could more then double. Different Phases of Development: 1. Implementing the similar method used in the soft keyboard in the PC. I suggest using keys []{} based upon the convenience of typing, since they are not commonly used in typing. As well as close proximity to 'enter ' key and using keys that do not force the user to remove a hand off the keyboard like F1 and ~ and numbers. From high to low priority keys: Enter (this is currently used in "To Whom it May Concern") [ ] { } Example: (typing "sug") } sugar { suggests ] suggested [ suggest Enter suggestion sug Example: (typing "suga") } sugar maple { sugarcane ] sugarless [ sugary Enter sugar suga So if I type "suga]" I get "sugarless " 2. Logical Phrases Like "See you later" Names from outlook contact list, if "John" is typed, the five last names given in the outlook contact list (with John as a first name) are given. 3. Anticipate Grammar. Anticipate the plural/singular form of a word based on the context of the sentence. Anticipate a noun/adjective/adverb based on the context of the sentence. Anticipate the tense of the word. Anticipate caps and lower case. 4. It should predict names of organizations "United States G" Predict "Government" "General Accounting Office" etc. Offers typing out simple abbreviations: U.S. as NAFTA, common lingo BTW, LOL etc. The lingo conversion would be esp. helpful for those teens who are writing papers and letters to adults. The lingo conversion could also be helpful for those who text message. 5. Using statistics to look at the document your writing finding the most common words and phrases and place them in a higher priority. i.e. If some has been writing an article about "football" and used the word "football" several times when "fo" is typed the word "football" is suggested. 6. Abbreviations on the fly, highlight text, right click, and assign an abbreviation. When the document is saved, a popup window asks if you want to save the assigned abbreviations. This abbreviation can be localized to the document or to Microsoft Word abbreviation list. This would allow one to write an a document about someone named "Bubba" highlight this name, right click, and add abbreviation "b" the next time "bspace" is added to the document "Bubba" replaces "b", ideally this would be localized to this document since the next document may be about "Badminton". It should be smart enough to question abbreviations like "a" & "I". 7. Using statistics to anticipate the type of document it is and offer the appropriate suggestions based upon the type of document being worked on: Letter Computers Resume Term paper Personal Scientific - Medical - will be using medical terminology Law - will probably be on legal size formatted sheet size 8. Keyword Index - add words, dates, and phrases to your suggestion list. Before one starts writing, he enters a keyword word search about the topic activating an internet search for its suggestion list. From reliable sources like "Expedia" MSN news sources, etc. For example someone is writing about the "Civil War", before he starts, he enters "Civil War" in keyword search, this keyword will be sent out to the internet through a search engine and come up with the most common words, names, and phases associated with "Civil War" and add them to suggestion list. So when someone types "Presi", "President Abraham Lincoln" and "President Lincoln" are suggested. It might be nice if there is a link to a web site containing these suggested words as a smart tag. 9. Keyword Internet index - is an active form of the above topic, (has greater issues with personal security) as you type keywords an active search through the internet occurs, automatically adds new suggested words and phrases to the list. It could be done on a side bar, with buttons for start (search), stop (search), Add all (words, phases), Remove all, a check box |
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Hi John,
Sorry to get back with you so late, this last week has been very busy. John wrote from an earlier post: Dragon Naturally Speaking now produces real-time transcripts for many large court cases, running on a laptop! John wrote: You have now. The majority of Court transcripts in Australia for major cases are handled with voice-recognition. The court reporter listens to the case on headphones and repeats what was said into their headset. They use Dragon Naturally Speaking to type up the transcript, in close-to-real-time. This is really a poor demonstration, the way it was originally posted, it implied that a microphone was set up in the court room and magically the court records would be transcribed. That is reason why I brought up the questions. In regarding accuracy, problems, how much human intervention, etc. with this program. John wrote: That example does not prove your case :-) You are quite correct: it's an intense technical challenge, but the Chinese Whispers experiment is about memory. The challenge in speech-to-text is that humans are appalling speakers :-) If I take two groups; one a multicultural group of English speaking strangers vs. a group of English speaking group of long time friends, Im sure that the group of English speaking group of long time friends would do much better then the multicultural group. Therefore, to say that the Chinese Whispers experiment is about memory is not correct. However, it consists of both memory and our ability to understand what is being said. People are like the Dragon Naturally Speaking program in the sense that if we are around a foreign born speaker who we dont understand very well for a long enough time, our ability to understand them improves. John wrote: This is "particular speaker" transcription. Each court reporter spends a long time training the software. They have been selected for their ability to speak clearly, and trained to dictate. Their accuracy is in the order of one character error per legal page. But they do it all day for a living! John wrote: The challenge in speech-to-text is that humans are appalling speakers :-) Better to be said that Speech Recognition is not ready for prime time, except for certain cases. For computers were made for man rather then man made for computers. Ever since computers have been created they have been adapted for humans, one of the biggest challenges has been how to make computers even more friendly and intuitive because people tend to be very impatient with computers. A couple of the limiting factors on technology are peoples willingness to try new technology and his willingness to learn. John wrote: You don't send that many TXT messages, right?? :-) If you did, you would be now be reading to kill auto suggestion :-) Seriously: handwriting recognition has a big future, as does auto suggestion. However, those of us who have learned to type find that typing is faster than either speaking, handwriting, or autosuggestion. I have sent a few TXT messages, I do not think that its auto suggestion is the problem but Fat Fingers and lousy interface has been the biggest problem. In addition, comparing cell phone with that of a personal computer is like comparing apples to oranges. The Pocket PC interface and the 20 year old DOS program Mindreader is a much closer example. Another point auto suggestion is not trying to replace typing or discourage typing but to enhance typing. Mark wrote: Last point, many people today are making their decision whether or not they are buying a piece of software based upon the return on their investment. If it is not significant, they will be just as happy using their old piece of software. My hope is that this idea and others may be something that will cause people to upgrade. John wrote: Put your money into "collaboration" and "decision support". Most of the information we want has already been typed: it's sharing it around that's today's problem :-) This is probably true for companies larger then 25 employees and for global and national companies. However, for local companies of less then 25 employees and individuals, collaboration and decision support has much less significance. Also companies larger then 25 employees and esp. global and national companies are the type who would most likely to have a licensing agreement with Microsoft. John wrote: Yeah: I'm not quite at the 60 mark myself, I don't think :-) However, I challenge you to be quicker at typing AND correcting AND formatting with autosuggestion. That's my point :-) I am not arguing that with auto suggestion that typing AND correcting AND formatting will be eliminated but reduced. The challenge will only be proven when someone creates a modern version of Auto Suggestion on the PC. Then I will be able to post I Told You So!!! :-) Thanks, Mark Stapel |
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