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I added a text box to a full page of text in a very long document . The box
is about 4" square and is positioned at the top right of the print portion of
the page (not in the margins). Before filling the box I set the attribute to
have the text wrap around the box which occurred quite nicely.

I then set the focus to the interior of the box and attempted to add a .jpg
image in the box using InsertPictureFrom File...[ref to .jpg file].

The picture goes in just fine but the text box jumps to the prior page. I
cannot move the box back to the original location as it always jumps to the
prior page.

I have tried turning off the move with text attribute. I have tried
assigning an absolute location, and in fact I've twiddled every attribute on
the format text box advanced options.

Why does this occur and how can I prevent this action?

Thanks for your help.
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Well, to begin with, you do not need a text box to insert a wrapped picture.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Jim K" wrote in message
...
I added a text box to a full page of text in a very long document . The

box
is about 4" square and is positioned at the top right of the print portion

of
the page (not in the margins). Before filling the box I set the attribute

to
have the text wrap around the box which occurred quite nicely.

I then set the focus to the interior of the box and attempted to add a

..jpg
image in the box using InsertPictureFrom File...[ref to .jpg file].

The picture goes in just fine but the text box jumps to the prior page. I
cannot move the box back to the original location as it always jumps to

the
prior page.

I have tried turning off the move with text attribute. I have tried
assigning an absolute location, and in fact I've twiddled every attribute

on
the format text box advanced options.

Why does this occur and how can I prevent this action?

Thanks for your help.


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Hello Suzanne,

I do know that, but there is also a figure label under the picture, and to
keep both of them together it seems appropriate to enclose both of them in
the text box.

I have in the past used a table two elements tall and one wide for this and
flowed the text around the table, but that has other problems...

I really would like to solve this problem.

Thanks!

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Well, to begin with, you do not need a text box to insert a wrapped picture.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Jim K" wrote in message
...
I added a text box to a full page of text in a very long document . The

box
is about 4" square and is positioned at the top right of the print portion

of
the page (not in the margins). Before filling the box I set the attribute

to
have the text wrap around the box which occurred quite nicely.

I then set the focus to the interior of the box and attempted to add a

..jpg
image in the box using InsertPictureFrom File...[ref to .jpg file].

The picture goes in just fine but the text box jumps to the prior page. I
cannot move the box back to the original location as it always jumps to

the
prior page.

I have tried turning off the move with text attribute. I have tried
assigning an absolute location, and in fact I've twiddled every attribute

on
the format text box advanced options.

Why does this occur and how can I prevent this action?

Thanks for your help.



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Note that if you are going to want to generate a table of figures, Word will
not see a caption in a text box. A frame is more suitable for this purpose.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Jim K" wrote in message
news
Hello Suzanne,

I do know that, but there is also a figure label under the picture, and to
keep both of them together it seems appropriate to enclose both of them in
the text box.

I have in the past used a table two elements tall and one wide for this
and
flowed the text around the table, but that has other problems...

I really would like to solve this problem.

Thanks!

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Well, to begin with, you do not need a text box to insert a wrapped

picture.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Jim K" wrote in message
...
I added a text box to a full page of text in a very long document .

The
box
is about 4" square and is positioned at the top right of the print

portion
of
the page (not in the margins). Before filling the box I set the

attribute
to
have the text wrap around the box which occurred quite nicely.

I then set the focus to the interior of the box and attempted to add a

..jpg
image in the box using InsertPictureFrom File...[ref to .jpg file].

The picture goes in just fine but the text box jumps to the prior

page. I
cannot move the box back to the original location as it always jumps

to
the
prior page.

I have tried turning off the move with text attribute. I have tried
assigning an absolute location, and in fact I've twiddled every

attribute
on
the format text box advanced options.

Why does this occur and how can I prevent this action?

Thanks for your help.




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Good morning Suzanne,

Yes I do understand that problem. I am not planning to do a table of figures
for this book as the document has over 400 of them that would make the table
at least 8 pages long and at the cost of printing today, it is not worth it.
In other books I've used frames as you suggest and that works OK.

Any ideas on why the box wanders when it is filled?

Thanks.


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Note that if you are going to want to generate a table of figures, Word will
not see a caption in a text box. A frame is more suitable for this purpose.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Jim K" wrote in message
news
Hello Suzanne,

I do know that, but there is also a figure label under the picture, and to
keep both of them together it seems appropriate to enclose both of them in
the text box.

I have in the past used a table two elements tall and one wide for this

and
flowed the text around the table, but that has other problems...

I really would like to solve this problem.

Thanks!

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Well, to begin with, you do not need a text box to insert a wrapped

picture.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Jim K" wrote in message
...
I added a text box to a full page of text in a very long document .

The
box
is about 4" square and is positioned at the top right of the print

portion
of
the page (not in the margins). Before filling the box I set the

attribute
to
have the text wrap around the box which occurred quite nicely.

I then set the focus to the interior of the box and attempted to add a
..jpg
image in the box using InsertPictureFrom File...[ref to .jpg file].

The picture goes in just fine but the text box jumps to the prior

page. I
cannot move the box back to the original location as it always jumps

to
the
prior page.

I have tried turning off the move with text attribute. I have tried
assigning an absolute location, and in fact I've twiddled every

attribute
on
the format text box advanced options.

Why does this occur and how can I prevent this action?

Thanks for your help.






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Any wrapped object is anchored to a text paragraph and will move with it.
Although you can specify its position on the page, it will appear on the
same page as the paragraph it is anchored to. Beyond that, the positioning
of wrapped graphics is a mystery to me, which is why I avoid them insofar as
possible. Unless I absolutely, positively have to wrap text around graphics,
I usually leave them and their captions inline (with whichever is above
formatted as "Keep with next") or put them in a borderless table cell.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Jim K" wrote in message
...
Good morning Suzanne,

Yes I do understand that problem. I am not planning to do a table of

figures
for this book as the document has over 400 of them that would make the

table
at least 8 pages long and at the cost of printing today, it is not worth

it.
In other books I've used frames as you suggest and that works OK.

Any ideas on why the box wanders when it is filled?

Thanks.


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Note that if you are going to want to generate a table of figures, Word

will
not see a caption in a text box. A frame is more suitable for this

purpose.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Jim K" wrote in message
news
Hello Suzanne,

I do know that, but there is also a figure label under the picture,

and to
keep both of them together it seems appropriate to enclose both of

them in
the text box.

I have in the past used a table two elements tall and one wide for

this
and
flowed the text around the table, but that has other problems...

I really would like to solve this problem.

Thanks!

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Well, to begin with, you do not need a text box to insert a wrapped

picture.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Jim K" wrote in message
...
I added a text box to a full page of text in a very long document

..
The
box
is about 4" square and is positioned at the top right of the print

portion
of
the page (not in the margins). Before filling the box I set the

attribute
to
have the text wrap around the box which occurred quite nicely.

I then set the focus to the interior of the box and attempted to

add a
..jpg
image in the box using InsertPictureFrom File...[ref to .jpg

file].

The picture goes in just fine but the text box jumps to the prior

page. I
cannot move the box back to the original location as it always

jumps
to
the
prior page.

I have tried turning off the move with text attribute. I have

tried
assigning an absolute location, and in fact I've twiddled every

attribute
on
the format text box advanced options.

Why does this occur and how can I prevent this action?

Thanks for your help.





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Hello Suzanne,

This problem has rather piqued my interest and I've been playing around with
it.

One of the characteristics of the problem is that when I add the image to
the text box it may or may not be a bit bigger than the box thus causing the
box to expand as the image is added. If expansion is necessary, AND if there
is any other text box with an anchor point on a paragraph that gets resized
as the box grows, then the box with the image will jump around. A bit of
playing has found that if TWO OR MORE other text boxes have the same anchor
point on the paragraph that gets resized, the box to be filled may move
multiple pages in any direction.

The trick is first to check other nearbly text boxes (before adding the
image) to see if any anchor points are on paragraphs that might be resized.
If so, then move those anchor points. That works most of the time (say 80%)
but there are still some pernicious cases for which that process does not
work, but I've not yet figured out why (and have given up trying).

The SURE FIRE way is to add the empty text box in the approximate size. The
set the attributes of the anchor point to "LOCKED", remove the "MOVE WITH
TEXT" and then add the image. The box never moves and the text reforms around
the newly sized boxed without a problem. Then go and unlock the anchor point.

Rather a painful process. It would seem to me that Microsoft rather blew
this implementation. If one turns off the "Move with text" attribute of the
anchor point, the anchor should be at a fixed location on the page (say the
upper left corner) and if the text is changed, the is no problem.

Also note that Publisher has no problem in this area. Do the Word engineers
ever talk with the Publisher engineers? If not, they should.

Thanks for you input on this problem. I've beaten it to death at this point
and will move back to writing my book.

Happy Holidays!


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Any wrapped object is anchored to a text paragraph and will move with it.
Although you can specify its position on the page, it will appear on the
same page as the paragraph it is anchored to. Beyond that, the positioning
of wrapped graphics is a mystery to me, which is why I avoid them insofar as
possible. Unless I absolutely, positively have to wrap text around graphics,
I usually leave them and their captions inline (with whichever is above
formatted as "Keep with next") or put them in a borderless table cell.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Jim K" wrote in message
...
Good morning Suzanne,

Yes I do understand that problem. I am not planning to do a table of

figures
for this book as the document has over 400 of them that would make the

table
at least 8 pages long and at the cost of printing today, it is not worth

it.
In other books I've used frames as you suggest and that works OK.

Any ideas on why the box wanders when it is filled?

Thanks.


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Note that if you are going to want to generate a table of figures, Word

will
not see a caption in a text box. A frame is more suitable for this

purpose.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Jim K" wrote in message
news Hello Suzanne,

I do know that, but there is also a figure label under the picture,

and to
keep both of them together it seems appropriate to enclose both of

them in
the text box.

I have in the past used a table two elements tall and one wide for

this
and
flowed the text around the table, but that has other problems...

I really would like to solve this problem.

Thanks!

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Well, to begin with, you do not need a text box to insert a wrapped
picture.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Jim K" wrote in message
...
I added a text box to a full page of text in a very long document

..
The
box
is about 4" square and is positioned at the top right of the print
portion
of
the page (not in the margins). Before filling the box I set the
attribute
to
have the text wrap around the box which occurred quite nicely.

I then set the focus to the interior of the box and attempted to

add a
..jpg
image in the box using InsertPictureFrom File...[ref to .jpg

file].

The picture goes in just fine but the text box jumps to the prior
page. I
cannot move the box back to the original location as it always

jumps
to
the
prior page.

I have tried turning off the move with text attribute. I have

tried
assigning an absolute location, and in fact I've twiddled every
attribute
on
the format text box advanced options.

Why does this occur and how can I prevent this action?

Thanks for your help.






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Word and Publisher are different programs, designed for different purposes.
Text boxes do not ordinarily resize when text or images are inserted. If
yours are doing so, then you must have "Resize AutoShape to fit text"
checked on the Text Box tab of Format Text Box. Clearing this check box
should help.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Jim K" wrote in message
...
Hello Suzanne,

This problem has rather piqued my interest and I've been playing around

with
it.

One of the characteristics of the problem is that when I add the image to
the text box it may or may not be a bit bigger than the box thus causing

the
box to expand as the image is added. If expansion is necessary, AND if

there
is any other text box with an anchor point on a paragraph that gets

resized
as the box grows, then the box with the image will jump around. A bit of
playing has found that if TWO OR MORE other text boxes have the same

anchor
point on the paragraph that gets resized, the box to be filled may move
multiple pages in any direction.

The trick is first to check other nearbly text boxes (before adding the
image) to see if any anchor points are on paragraphs that might be

resized.
If so, then move those anchor points. That works most of the time (say

80%)
but there are still some pernicious cases for which that process does not
work, but I've not yet figured out why (and have given up trying).

The SURE FIRE way is to add the empty text box in the approximate size.

The
set the attributes of the anchor point to "LOCKED", remove the "MOVE WITH
TEXT" and then add the image. The box never moves and the text reforms

around
the newly sized boxed without a problem. Then go and unlock the anchor

point.

Rather a painful process. It would seem to me that Microsoft rather blew
this implementation. If one turns off the "Move with text" attribute of

the
anchor point, the anchor should be at a fixed location on the page (say

the
upper left corner) and if the text is changed, the is no problem.

Also note that Publisher has no problem in this area. Do the Word

engineers
ever talk with the Publisher engineers? If not, they should.

Thanks for you input on this problem. I've beaten it to death at this

point
and will move back to writing my book.

Happy Holidays!


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Any wrapped object is anchored to a text paragraph and will move with

it.
Although you can specify its position on the page, it will appear on the
same page as the paragraph it is anchored to. Beyond that, the

positioning
of wrapped graphics is a mystery to me, which is why I avoid them

insofar as
possible. Unless I absolutely, positively have to wrap text around

graphics,
I usually leave them and their captions inline (with whichever is above
formatted as "Keep with next") or put them in a borderless table cell.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Jim K" wrote in message
...
Good morning Suzanne,

Yes I do understand that problem. I am not planning to do a table of

figures
for this book as the document has over 400 of them that would make the

table
at least 8 pages long and at the cost of printing today, it is not

worth
it.
In other books I've used frames as you suggest and that works OK.

Any ideas on why the box wanders when it is filled?

Thanks.


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Note that if you are going to want to generate a table of figures,

Word
will
not see a caption in a text box. A frame is more suitable for this

purpose.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Jim K" wrote in message
news Hello Suzanne,

I do know that, but there is also a figure label under the

picture,
and to
keep both of them together it seems appropriate to enclose both of

them in
the text box.

I have in the past used a table two elements tall and one wide for

this
and
flowed the text around the table, but that has other problems...

I really would like to solve this problem.

Thanks!

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Well, to begin with, you do not need a text box to insert a

wrapped
picture.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Jim K" wrote in message
...
I added a text box to a full page of text in a very long

document
..
The
box
is about 4" square and is positioned at the top right of the

print
portion
of
the page (not in the margins). Before filling the box I set

the
attribute
to
have the text wrap around the box which occurred quite nicely.

I then set the focus to the interior of the box and attempted

to
add a
..jpg
image in the box using InsertPictureFrom File...[ref to

..jpg
file].

The picture goes in just fine but the text box jumps to the

prior
page. I
cannot move the box back to the original location as it always

jumps
to
the
prior page.

I have tried turning off the move with text attribute. I have

tried
assigning an absolute location, and in fact I've twiddled

every
attribute
on
the format text box advanced options.

Why does this occur and how can I prevent this action?

Thanks for your help.







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